#indiewebcamp 2015-08-13

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KevinMarks_
aaronpk: did you do the slack integration with webhooks or with slackbot?
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aaronpk
web hooks
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KevinMarks_
looking at the api now, seems neat
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aaronpk
it's not bad. there is some weirdness with the payload they send, it doesn't contain all the information needed so you have to look stuff up in the API
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KevinMarks_
so it's 2 integrations to route chat
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aaronpk
yeah to convert the web hook payload to something you can display you have to look up user IDs in the API
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aaronpk
srsly don't understand why they don't include that in a lookup table in the payload
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aaronpk
i'm really going all-in on this microformats2 thing for my new site. sure hope it doesn't come back to bite me!
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aaronpk
using mf2 vocab and techniques as my storage
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ben_thatmustbeme
Dun dun dunnnnnnn
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ben_thatmustbeme
I considered modifying my models for it and only using a db for indexed copies
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aaronpk
i just don't have any other models
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aaronpk
i'm basically reading and writing serialized mf2 json
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ben_thatmustbeme
I need to get my offline set up a bit better I have a lot I want to get done but less and less time to dedicate to it
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aaronpk
offline++
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KevinMarks__
Oh, not html?
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Loqi
offline has 0 karma
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aaronpk
no, I didn't see a lot of reason to store things as HTML when the first thing I'm going to do is parse it
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ben_thatmustbeme
Readability without parsing
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aaronpk
plus my micropub endpoint adds and removes properties from posts, so that's easier when i just have the data structure to work with
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ben_thatmustbeme
But totally understandable
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aaronpk
other than the difference between displaying comments, do people display posts differently when in a list view vs on their permalink pages?
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[snarfed]
yes. my longer posts only show the first couple paragraphs or so in feeds
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[snarfed]
configured per post
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aaronpk
oh yes!
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aaronpk
forgot I currently do that too :)
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aaronpk
hm anything else besides articles?
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[snarfed]
i also have views that show only titles
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aaronpk
interesting
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aaronpk
sheesh, the cognitive load of spinning back up on this codebase is high
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aaronpk
it's been about 6 weeks since I last looked at it
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GWG
aaronpk: I keep trying to figure out how to do something like that in WordPress
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GWG
Storing mf2 properties specifically
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tantek
hello from SF!
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tantek
four of us here so far, giving it a few more minutes for folks to show up
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GWG
Hello, tantek
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tantek
going to see if I can post my alphabet blog post while waiting
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GWG
T is for Tantek
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: I also show titles only archive views: http://gregorlove.com/2015/
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gRegorLove
I'm tinkering with ideas for adding note archives there, too. Not as titles, obviously. Maybe little note icons with a hover preview or something.
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GWG
gRegorLove: Times are also an option
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@t
An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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tantek
looks like it worked
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@moia
RT @t: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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tantek
we're getting started here in SF
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @peteramckay: I just set up my site this week at https://pmckay.com/ - it's mostly just links to other sites, but I got https
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @peteramckay: I'm excited about LetsEncrypt
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I want to steer people to letsEncrypt, but I want to dogfood it first
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @peteramckay: LetsEncrypt is supposed to take the pain out of getting certs
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@dietrich
RT @t: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I watched a lot of people set up https at indiewebcamp and it took half a day - that needs to scale better
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: what I've done with my site is blogged a lot more- being disconnected is conducive to longer form wrintg
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: If I want to write I turn off wifi and put mozilla into offline mode so I can write better, as most pages are cached
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: when the Alphabet announcement happened I did an Alphabet of our building blocks on the wiki https://indiewebcamp.com/alphabet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: then afterwards I did a post on my own site with rainbow alphabet dropcaps: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: custom post styling is a way to attach a custom scoped style sheet to a specific blogpost
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it's easy to do on the standalone page; doing it inline is harder, as only FF supports scoped styles
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: how I cope with other browsers is creating a unique id per post serverside, and add the id as the root
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @theguice: last time I showed my static blog; I redid it with markdown and persistent storage and resort the posts
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @theguice: I used flask-blogging to build this. I'd like to get commenting working
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @theguice: for people who want to comment but don't know how to send a webmention, what do you do
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: known has native comments as well; I don't know if others have this
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: on my posts there is a reply button, which launches twitter by default, and bridgy sends a webmention back
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @theguice: does brid.gy work on facebook too?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: bridgy works with facebook until novemeber when the api changes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: by using twitter for comments, I get webmentions via bridgy
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: setting u pyour own site is one barrier; using a twitter account is also one, so they get to handle spam
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@planetmozilla
Tantek Çelik: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it's a community not a company - everything on the wiki is CC0
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @theguice: I see a lot of people in the irc - how do they keep up with it?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we try to make the IRC logs very readable http:///irc/2015-08-12 is good to catch up on
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: another thing that happened in the last 2 weeks is that @aaronpk improved the Slack/irc integration a lot
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[aaronpk]
Hi from Slack!
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[tantek]
Kevinmarks++ for live tweeting tonight's HWC
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Loqi
Kevinmarks has 149 karma
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[shaunguice]
kevinmarks++
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 150 karma
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[tantek]
!tell aaronpk testing tell from slack.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[aaronpk]
Oh good idea
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tantek
!tell shaunguice testing tell from IRC to Slack
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[shaunguice]
hmm from slack
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tantek
so that didn't seem to trigger Loqi's tell receiving side
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Loqi
dude
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@PlanetFeeds
Tantek Çelik: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z: Rather than stake any claim to being ... http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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[aaronpk]
Now it should
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Loqi
[aaronpk]: [tantek] left you a message 1 minute ago: testing tell from slack. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-12/line/1439433486694
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[shaunguice]
again from slack :simple_smile:
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Loqi
[shaunguice]: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: testing tell from IRC to Slack http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-12/line/1439433523750
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[shaunguice]
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 934 karma
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tantek
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 935 karma
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[aaronpk]
Easy fix :-)
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tantek
best IRC slack bridge EVARRRR
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finchd
oooh, that is nice
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endi
nice :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm now watching the chat on the web, in irc and in slack at once interesting order differences. great integration
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tantek
gives Loqi a treat.
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Loqi
eats the treat.
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KevinMarks_
gives loqi multiple time orderings
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[aaronpk]
Loqi ignores multiple time orderings
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__number5__
slack channel invite please ;)
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tantek
what is Slack?
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Loqi
Slack is a closed-source team communication tool similar to IRC but with expanding support for various types of content such as emoji polls, inline images, and attachments https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack
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tantek
__number5__: ^^^ that link :)
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[aaronpk]
No invite needed :-)
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endi
oh no is #indiewebcamp going slack?
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[aaronpk]
Just bridging
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__number5__
tantek: I'm confused for a bit when you asked that question, lol
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__number5__
thanksd
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KevinMarks_
indieweb embraces and extends slack
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[aaronpk]
Like we do with silos
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tantek
__number5__: the "what is" speak in the channel is a bit Jeopardy-like :)
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[aaronpk]
Do you have your own domain? Then you can join the IndieWebCamp slack with no invitation needed!
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__number5__
github authentication part failed :(
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[aaronpk]
Is this your first time signing in with IndieAuth?
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__number5__
I had my wiki setup well, I can login the wiki
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[aaronpk]
Should work the same. What error did you get?
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__number5__
need to grab something for lunch now, will try that later
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__number5__
[aaronpk]: for the slack one it just redirected back to auth page asking for a domain
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[aaronpk]
K I'll check it outb
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[aaronpk]
Hm worked fine for me, it redirects back and asks you for your email.
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@kevinmarks
Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF posted on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-08-12.html #indieweb
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@indiewebcamp
RT @kevinmarks: Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF posted on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-08-12.html #indieweb
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endi
same as __number5__, I authenticate and get dropped back at the 'Welcome!' page asking for domain to auth
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endi
URL has '?token=...'
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tantek
interesting article about some of the challenges not just for using Twitter, but any "public"-like silo, community, and for any /reader once you follow enough people: http://incisive.nu/2014/ditching-twitter/
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@peteramckay
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@peteramckay
RT @kevinmarks: Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF posted on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-08-12.html #indieweb
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[aaronpk]
endi: i just changed some things around, try it again?
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[aaronpk]
(I'm still confused why it worked for me but not you two, but I'm okay if this works now)
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@andrewtj
RT @t: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb
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[aaronpk]
oh I need to make the tweets come through in Slack like native Slack users instead of from Loqi!
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endi_
aaronpk: works :)
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endi_
have there been any ownyourgram changes that could cause bridgy to just show 'No post links found'? I logged into ownyourgram to run a test post and it posted the content but still am getting no links for interactions to post through
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endi_
I often break things but I've been going through step by step to figure out what I could have broken and I'm not finding it
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[aaronpk]
ownyourgram will send a syndication URL, your site needs to display that in order for bridgy to find it
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[aaronpk]
I don't think any of that has changed on OwnYourGram
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endi_
yeah it's been working, just didn't know if something changed or I screwed it up
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[aaronpk]
does your site still include the u-syndication URL?
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endi_
under the particular instagram post?
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tantek
good night from SF!
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Loqi
don't let the bed bugs bite
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endi_
ah, no it doesn't look like it. I wonder why that changed. Was working perfectly 3-4 weeks ago
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endi_
do I need to manually add the syndication URL in the photo description on the Known post?
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[aaronpk]
no, ownyourgram sends it.
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[aaronpk]
did you update Known lately?
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endi_
yeah, I mean if I want to re-establish a connection
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[aaronpk]
oh yeah you can manually update the post to add the syndication URL back
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endi_
yup, I updated known and changed from apache2.2 to 2.4 and reconfigured SSL completely; those are the only two changes since the last working instance
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[aaronpk]
I don't remember how Known handles syndication URLs tho
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endi_
I seem to remember it in the description of the post if I opened up the 'edit' UI
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endi_
but now there's nothing there
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endi_
can I look up syndication URLs for older posts?
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@peteramckay
Fun #indiewebcamp meeting in SF tonight with @t @theguice @kevinmarks. Next one is 8/26. If u care about the open web, drop in! All welcome.
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[aaronpk]
I'm confused, I don't know what changed.
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[aaronpk]
You'll probably need to manually correlate your instagram posts and Known posts to fix it though.
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endi_
I"m logged into ownyourgram and see the last post I made (1 of 2 test posts), is there a way to find the syndication URL for previous posts or just manual enter them going forward?
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[aaronpk]
ownyourgram doesn't store anything except the latest post, so you'll have to do it manually to fill in the ones that were wrong
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endi_
alright, thanks for taking a look
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endi_
I did notice that Known now uses instagam's caption as the title on known (since it worked) so something did change since they all used to be 'Untitled,' I wonder if part of that change messed up the syndication URL in the description
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endi_
as I understood instagram's system they used the 'caption' as the first comment.. so if the syndication URL were in the first comment along with the caption it's not in the title and that's why it's not in the description, but I'm sure I've got that wrong
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endi_
s/it's not in the title/it's now in the title
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Loqi
endi_ meant to say: as I understood instagram's system they used the 'caption' as the first comment.. so if the syndication URL were in the first comment along with the caption it's now in the title and that's why it's not in the description, but I'm sure I've got that wrong
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[number5]
hi all
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[number5]
oh, loqi have a cute avatar :simple_smile:
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[aaronpk]
the avatars come from http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people so you can add yours there!
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[number5]
thanks, aaronpk. all works now
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endi_
so, if I go into 'Edit' and add the syndication URL to the description of the photo manually and save it, when I go to edit the description again the URL is gone
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[aaronpk]
Well that's weird. I have no idea. You might ask in #knownchat IRC tho
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@kevinmarks
A simpler time: “…most things cannot be nested, in fact. No elements may be recursively nested.” #indieweb https://twitter.com/Una/status/631681437104668672
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endi
aaronpk: yeah, I did a bit earlier, just thought perhaps someone here had a similar experience
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: A simpler time: “…most things cannot be nested, in fact. No elements may be recursively nested.” #indieweb https://t.co/aY…
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KevinMarks
Some great rel values in 1st html draft: annotation, reply http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt
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KevinMarks
Interested
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cweiske
so tantek links to quill but not to withknown.com in his abc article
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: K for Known
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cweiske
withknown.com is not linked
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cweiske
seems only wiki pages are linked
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KartikPrabhu
neither is Quill
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@stevepurkiss
New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilovefs
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RT @stevepurkiss: New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilov…
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@vbrighton
RT @stevepurkiss: New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilov…
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@drupalnation
RT @stevepurkiss: New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilov…
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@Brighton_RT
RT @stevepurkiss: New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilov…
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@xtof_fr
Un #alphabet des blocs de construction #indieweb /by @t An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z (Çelik 2015-08-12)
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@LanceCoyote
I get a little concerned about how popular #IndieWeb services like #Bridgy and #IndieAuth can be. It beats using a… http://lancey.space/2015/08/i-get-a-little-concerned-about-how-popular-indieweb
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@voxpelli
@LanceCoyote +1, preferably there should also be multiple interchangeable services, like https://webmention.io/ and https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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@aaronpk
@LanceCoyote of course! But you can't have multiple implementations of things until at least one exists, so you... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/08/13/1/indieweb
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rhiaro
[How] Are people dealing with relative URLs in u-url when recieving wms?
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cweiske
absolutize them?
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rhiaro
Are many people using relative u-urls?
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rhiaro
grumbles about having to write even more code
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cweiske
that doesn't matter :) you have to handle them
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rhiaro
oh, thanks
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rhiaro
cweiske++
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Loqi
cweiske has 34 karma
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[aaronpk]
There's a relative URL resolver in the php mf2 parser too. It has tests and everything
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rhiaro
oh, awesome. I'm using that anyway. Thanks aaronpk
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GWG
Morning
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[aaronpk]
If you are talking about resolving the urls in the parsed result then all you have to do is pass the page URL to the parse function and it happens automatically
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GWG
pfefferle, will you be pushing an update to Semantic Linkbacks to stable in the near future?
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pfefferle
GWG ???
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pfefferle
GWG what do you mean with stable?
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GWG
Wordpress
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GWG
repository instead of Github
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GWG
I consider Github the development version
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GWG
Also, been following your oembed work
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pfefferle
GWG ah ok… I think I have to update the WP directory, so yes.
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pfefferle
GWG I have not done that much for the plugin now, but they use some code form my ”žold“ oembed plugin ;)
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GWG
pfefferle: I have a policy of not making changes to mf2_s or Post Kinds, both of which use the Semantic Linkbacks hooks until the changes go to the WordPress repository
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@glennjones
Finished my Homebrew Website Club homework, looking forward to next brighton meeting - http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club
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pfefferle
GWG do you think they will include these plugins to the core?
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GWG
pfefferle, which plugins?
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pfefferle
GWG ah, sorry… have misread your last post
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pfefferle
GWG ok, then I will hurry up!
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rhiaro
aaronpk: I'm still not parsing myself, getting urls from webmention.io, and sometimes url property is relative
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GWG
pfefferle, no rush, still one handed here
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GWG
pfefferle, re oembed, do you think there would be any point in writing a plugin that disabled oembed in favor of link previews?
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[aaronpk]
Oh right heh
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[aaronpk]
In that case webmention.io should be handling that for you
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pfefferle
GWG is there a difference?
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cweiske
rhiaro, I'd see that as a bug in webmention.io
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rhiaro
I love when it's not my fault :D
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[aaronpk]
rhiaro: coincidentally I'm considering not building comment parsing into my new site and relying on webmention.io instead. I might add a web hook for it so you don't have to poll for new comments
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GWG
pfefferle: oembed requires the linked site to set up oembed. A link preview would generate a preview by reading the page itself
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rhiaro
aaronpk: ooh interesting. This was going to be a stepping stone for me to eventually move to parsing them myself
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[aaronpk]
Yeah that's a bug... File an issue and I'll take care of it
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pfefferle
GWG with mf/mf2/schema.org … support?
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rhiaro
Okay!
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GWG
pfefferle: The same way you did Semantic Linkbacks. Support for mf2 with extensible support for other markup.
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[aaronpk]
The notification text is hard to get right so I don't want to build that twice. But then I was thinking that I probably also don't want to build comment parsing twice, so I might just keep it in webmention.io
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pfefferle
GWG I think this is independently possible… if they build a function to disable OEmbed or not...
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pfefferle
GWG just hook into the code before or after the plugin runs
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[aaronpk]
Man there are a lot of knobs and screens in the cockpit
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[aaronpk]
:airplane:
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[aaronpk]
Bye for now
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petermolnar
rhiaro, thefuckisyourproblem.com is - surprisingly - **not** registered, in case you do want it for email :D (I've followed your link above in the webmention example)
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rhiaro
petermolnar: hah... tempting..
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rhiaro
has enough domain names
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cweiske
I also used to have a couple, but then reduced them to 1
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petermolnar
same as cweiske here
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petermolnar
( cweiske when you say couple you mean exactly 2 or a bunch? I'm still having issues getting used to the British English 'couple' meaning exactly 2 )
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cweiske
I should register bweiske for my 2nd son
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GWG
pfefferle: Wondering if there is interest.
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Loqi
I agree
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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rikkiguy.me.uk
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@jonathanfrei
An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z - Tantek https://j-f.me/b/1kp
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@jonathanfrei
An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z - Tantek https://j-f.me/b/1kq
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@benborges_
if #CCC would use or integrate #indieweb in their livestream system they could add "social interactions" from .. https://1-m.cc/2015/if-ccc-would-use-or-integrate-indieweb-in-their-livestream
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@AllSquareCat
RT @benborges_: if #CCC would use or integrate #indieweb in their livestream system they could add "social interactions" from .. https://t.…
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tantek.com
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rhiaro
what is next-hwc
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2015-08-12 at Mozilla https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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rhiaro
what is next-hwc
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2015-08-12 at Mozilla https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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rhiaro
glares at the wiki
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rhiaro
Does next-hwc need to be updated by hand? Does anyone know how?
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rhiaro
what is next-hwc
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2015-08-13 at Informatics Forum https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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Loqi
giggles
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_fran
I'll be there 17:30 :)
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_fran
Is the east door the one under the pend?
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petermolnar
should relocate to either Edinburgh or Brighton, feels alone in Cambridge UK
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rhiaro
_fran: yeah, by Inspace
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GWG
petermolnar: Come to NYC. I feel alone here
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petermolnar
nah, I'm fine with Europe
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petermolnar
but thanks :)
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GWG
Why Old World when you can have a brand spanking New one?
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_fran
_rhiaro: great, I'll ping you with some gravel against the MF1 window I suppose
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rhiaro
You know where my office window is
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rhiaro
For the avoidance of doubt, the BBC venue purple floodlight is pointing DIRECTLY AT IT now
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rhiaro
grumbles about festival
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_fran
oh true
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Loqi
[bridgy] Al Power replied '@glennjones nice! Hoping to do what I planned (node app pulling instagram files down, and serving to my static blog over REST API) tonight!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/alpower/status/631816692193193984)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Glenn Jones replied '@alpower hope its goes well, I have a feeling homework might become regular thing - an 1hrs just long enough to talk about what you want do!' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/glennjones/status/631823325510139905)
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rhiaro
HWC Edinburgh slowly materialising, starring _fran, tbrb, moredhel and Geng Lyu so far
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rhiaro
tbrb: Will be working on a micropub client
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rhiaro
moredhel: Will be setting up his newly wiped computer.. and restoring website from S3 backup
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rhiaro
_fran: Will be... parsing text
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gRegorLove
waves to HWC Edinburgh
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tbrb
waves
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Zegnat
waves in Edinburgh’s general direction.
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rhiaro
Geng Lyu will be working through indiewebify.me
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Zegnat
I thought HWCs were on Wednesdays?
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rhiaro
will be displaying recieved mentions by the end of the night FOR SURE
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rhiaro
Zegnat: Edinburgh is special because everything else happens on a wednesday here
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rhiaro
By everything else I mean everything else that I do
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rhiaro
_fran: what text are you parsing and why?
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_fran
I feel the need for another step between markdown and html
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_fran
a bit like Smartypants, but more expressive
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rhiaro
yay for more layers of abstraction
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rhiaro
more moving parts :D
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_fran
never enough!
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rhiaro
Soon all you'll need is a triplestore :D
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rhiaro
goes back to untangling sparql queries
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_fran
if you can sell it well enough
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rhiaro
camerongray arrives
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rhiaro
concern expressed that R2ZER0 has been trapped by the Festival
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rhiaro
R2ZER0 arrives
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rhiaro
Also Gumiho
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rhiaro
R2ZER0 is going to add history to rikkiguy.me.uk/where
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rhiaro
For anyone who would like to know where R2ZER0 is at any given time
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rhiaro
Except it's extremely innaccurate right now apparently
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[tantek_]
good morning
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[tantek_]
interesting, the web UI to IRC now also uses the [username] notation
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GWG
Good morning, undercover tantek.
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[tantek_]
reads_logs.
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rhiaro
good evening from HWC Edinburgh, which is still going on
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[tantek_]
oh nice!
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[tantek_]
KevinMarks, not so sure about those rel values, plus they depend on "rev" for completeness
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aaronpk_
tantek: yep i'm using the same backend for the web UI now! which also means it shouldn't hold on to nicknames anymore.
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[tantek_]
that's great aaronpk!
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[tantek_]
KevinMarks, e.g. rel=reply, could be useful as a minimal alternative/fallback to p-comment e.g. on an h-entry permalink page
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[tantek_]
however, no chance we are going to try using rev=reply instead of rel=in-reply-to
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[tantek_]
the definition of rel=annotation is interesting in that it's a lot more precise than the current "everything is an annotation on something" scope creep that has occured among folks claiming to actually work on "Annotations"
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tentonbricks
now, this is all fascinating, but I have no idea what's going on. I feel like I'm in a language immersion school, but instead of French, I'm trying to learn code.
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[tantek_]
in particular, from the rel=annotation definition at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt#ANNOTATION it says "'margin notes' or other criticism on another's document" - that sentence strongly implies inline embedding/display intentions, in contrast to just a "reply" which could be expected to be shown at the bottom as part of a list of comments.
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[tantek_]
welcome tentonbricks! there are definitely times that the conversation here can go very deep on specific technical/literary subjects
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[tantek_]
however, there's very much a desire to help with *any* level of discussion / exploration related to setting up / owning / using your own site for whatever it is you want to do with it
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tentonbricks
If anyone wants to discuss the ins-and-outs of how to code a mean <a> tag, I'm your man. :)
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[tantek_]
tentonbricks - that's pretty funny, because we were just deep diving on the "rel" attribute *of the <a> tag* ;)
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tentonbricks
haha
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[tantek_]
do you have a personal site?
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tentonbricks
I don't.
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tentonbricks
I'm currently free hosting on withknown.com, as I try to figure everything out.
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[tantek_]
that's a great say to get started
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tentonbricks
yeah
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[tantek_]
s/say/way
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Loqi
[tantek_] meant to say: that's a great way to get started
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[tantek_]
have you hooked it up to POSSE to any silos?
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tentonbricks
I had a site years ago. Hand-coded and everything. Since then, I've learned that HTML is not like riding a bike. You *can* forget. Also, the bike suddenly has a lot of new doo-dads on it.
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tentonbricks
I'm connected to Twitter and Facebook.
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[tantek_]
mostly unnecessary doo-dads
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[tantek_]
if anything, the simpler your HTML, the better. e.g. we've learned to move all the presentation to CSS.
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Zegnat
tentonbricks: the "new" doo-dads are fairly unnecessary. All browsers will display HTML 3
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[tantek_]
hey rhiaro, if you're still around, check out the definition for rel=made in http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt#MADE
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[tantek_]
in particular the first clause of: "Person (etc) described by node A is author of, or is responsible for B"
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[tantek_]
more fuel for all those who like wasting time on HR14 :P
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Zegnat
[tantek_]: I thought that would be rel="me" ?
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[tantek_]
Zegnat - different purpose
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[tantek_]
rel=made is the inverse of rel=author
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rhiaro
oh that's fun, foaf has made :)
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rhiaro
glad it's the same term, at least
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tentonbricks
I've also connected Bridgy, but don't know if it works. Mostly because I haven't said much yet, and what I do say, nobody has interacted with.
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[tantek_]
rhiaro - I still don't understand why anyone takes foaf seriously since it was such a bad (and bloated) reinvention of vCard. I can only assume cultural inertia / cargo cult political inertia
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[tantek_]
tentonbricks - do you have recent tweets with favorites or @-replies?
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tentonbricks
nope.
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rhiaro
I guess foaf:made came from rel="made"
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tentonbricks
I'm not incredibly active on Twitter.
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[tantek_]
I think even if you @-reply to yourself, Bridgy should pass it back to your site as a webmention
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rhiaro
^ I can confirm that bridgy does that
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rhiaro
Trying to filter out my own replies at the moment..
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tentonbricks
clever idea.
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[tantek_]
tentonbricks, that way we can at least make sure that your Bridgy setup is working
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tentonbricks
Now, I have FB posts that people have liked. Does Bridgy not pull that in?
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[tantek_]
it should
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[tantek_]
the FB auth for bridgy recently got cycled I think - you may need to go to https://www.brid.gy and re-auth your FB connection
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tentonbricks
Now, does the comment that is liked, RT'd or whatever, have to be content that was originally sent to the silo from known?
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tentonbricks
So it's not just going to pull in *anything*
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[tantek_]
right, the content on the silo must be a /POSSE copy of something on your indieweb site (including your withknown.com site)
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[tantek_]
rhiaro, I'm still laughing about how the "official" and supposedly widely respected Dublin Core's "Dublin Core Application Profiles" screwed up its usage/reference of "foaf:firstName" vs "foaf:family_name"
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[tantek_]
seriously have no idea why anyone takes seriously the house of cards that is things like Dubline Core, FOAF, etc.
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[tantek_]
s/Dubline/Dublin
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Loqi
[tantek_] meant to say: seriously have no idea why anyone takes seriously the house of cards that is things like Dublin Core, FOAF, etc.
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rhiaro
I dunno that AP is widely used
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rhiaro
oh you meant DC was widely respected
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[tantek_]
yes that
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KartikPrabhu
[tantek_]: becuase those things like schema seem to have an air of official-ness
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KartikPrabhu
i looked up DC way back when I was adding rdf things to my site. But then settled for schema. but ultimately rdf was pretty complicated.
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tentonbricks
How long after an @-mention does it take for the interaction to appear back on my known site?
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[tantek_]
I think there's often a 5 minute or so cycle time? Though I think you can go to your brid.gy home page and click poll now
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tentonbricks
Huzzah! Got it to work!
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tentonbricks
I didn't have publishing set up on brid.gy
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KartikPrabhu
bridgy publish is not linked to the backfeed
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tentonbricks
Well, then I don't know what I did, but it works now :)
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KartikPrabhu
you can POSSE with any other method and bridgy can find the original if 1. the POSSE copy links back to the original or 2. original has a u-syndication link to the copy
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KevinMarks
so tantke, when you support webmentions, you're going to have to deal with recursion as you link to yourself?
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KevinMarks
s/tantke/tantek/
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Loqi
KevinMarks meant to say: so tantek, when you support webmentions, you're going to have to deal with recursion as you link to yourself?
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[tantek_]
Kevinmarks that doesn't make sense, can you provide an example of what you're talking about?
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KartikPrabhu
I link to myself all the time. haven't had any trouble with recursion. though self-mentions seem awkward in the response lists
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tentonbricks
I'm connecting to the chat via the web. I hate doing that. Seems my office IT folks are smarter than the average bear and have the typical IRC ports blocked, so I can't connect via an IRC client.
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[tantek_]
smarter or more control-freaky? seems pretty dumb to block access to a productive community resource.
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csarven.ca
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aaronpk_
the IRC protocol is often used to control botnets so it's a pretty common thing for IT departments to block
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tentonbricks
control-freaky is probably more like it. Though, I can't imagine why anyone in my office would need access to IRC for our daily work. And, to be fair, we don't have wifi, so I'm connected to the building's public wifi.
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Zegnat
Is csarven leaving us?
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csarven.ca
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aaronpk_
had to push really hard to get Esri to open up IRC ports on the internal network
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tentonbricks
you work for esri?
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KartikPrabhu
IT people are strange. At a conference, I was told I can't use my JS driven presentation on their computers since it was a "security risk"
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aaronpk_
lol wow
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tentonbricks
a couple of our departments use arcgis
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tentonbricks
Actually trying to hire a couple CAD Techs who know how to use it.
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[snarfed]
aaronpk: just FYI, messages from the web ui aren't showing up in slack
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[snarfed]
eg tantek_'s
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aaronpk_
oh haha. I'm going to have to not use [] for the web nicks then
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KartikPrabhu
does slack not like the [] ?
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aaronpk_
no that's how the slack bridge knows not to post messages from slack back into slack
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KartikPrabhu
you can use another separator like () for the web thing
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KartikPrabhu
or no separators since it is fine without it
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aaronpk_
actually I think I can use the IRC "username" field for that
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moredhel
have managed to get a working index page, and get my framework to talk to redis
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tbrb
since rhiaro mentioned putting achievements for the evening into here, I have a 'working' command-line micropub client
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[tantek_]
KevinMarks, not too worried about it, as I likely won't bother with showing just plain mention links anyway. And even if I did, I could trivially drop self-references after pruning query/fragment strs from URLs
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aaronpk_
wow moredhel tbrb productive evening!
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[tantek_]
tbrb that sounds very cool! what's it it called?
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tbrb
"publ"
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[tantek_]
moredhel - what's your site?
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KartikPrabhu
[tantek_]: or you can put self-references in "related posts" :)
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[tantek_]
what is publ?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "publ" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101M
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[tantek_]
KartikPrabhu are you related to yourself? ;)
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tbrb
[tantek_]: moredhel uses http://aoeu.me/ - he's just shut his laptop down
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aaronpk_
i have a bunch of webmentions of my own posts. they show up under "Other Mentions" usually
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[tantek_]
tbrb feel free to click on that link from Loqi and create the page ^^^
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KartikPrabhu
[tantek_]: haha! homepage mentions is different. but listing your own posts that link to the current one might be useful
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tbrb
Will do, I still need to sort out packaging and a few little things where it's not fully there yet
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KartikPrabhu
[tantek_]: also I am related to myself using rel-me! ;)
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[tantek_]
KartikPrabhu - definitely for *other* posts. same post self-links are generally frowned upon. I put that link in there just because the post itself is textually self-referential, and clicking the link just takes you back to the top.
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KartikPrabhu
aah same post self-links I can agree with :)
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tantek.com
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rhiaro
and on individual posts
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rhiaro
about freaking time.
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rhiaro
now, what've I totally broken in the process
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aaronpk_
rhiaro++
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Loqi
rhiaro has 142 karma
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tentonbricks
considering setting up self-hosting. Do you fine folks have any recommendations for providers that are good, yet inexpensive?
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
what is hosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) https://indiewebcamp.com/hosting
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KartikPrabhu
tentonbricks: there ^
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[tantek_]
rhiaro++ well done! question: why /mentions (as path) instead of /notifications ?
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Loqi
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tentonbricks
you folks just think of everything, don't you?
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[tantek_]
tentonbricks, not that we think of everything, we just write everything down we think of ;)
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KartikPrabhu
we think of everything that we have needed in the past
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rhiaro
tantek: decided I like it as a generic term for replies/interactions
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[tantek_]
documents some silo examples
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[tantek_]
rhiaro, are you showing any salmentions?
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rhiaro
No, that is 100% next
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[tantek_]
(I knew I'd forgotten something for *s*)
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[tantek_]
goes back to the alphabet.
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[tantek_]
so much s*
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[tantek_]
whoa my Twitter notifications of those you follow is super-demonstrative screenshotworthy - coming up...
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[tantek_]
falls into multple cascading rabbitholes, again.
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rhiaro
demonstrative of..?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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[tantek_]
rhiaro, demonstrative of the list here: https://indiewebcamp.com/notification#Twitter
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rhiaro
tbrb: "what's salmention?" rhiaro: *deep breath*
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rhiaro
FYI HWC Edinburgh is down to four people, but still going
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rhiaro
, camerongray, R2ZER0 & tbrb
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[tantek_]
rhiaro that is AWESOME
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[tantek_]
last night in SF we *only* had four people to start with (slow night)
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tbrb
We were at 8 or so?
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GWG
[tantek_]: I'd love it if NYC had 4 people ever.
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rhiaro
I'm doing exactly what I'd be doing anyway, in exactly the place I'd be doing it, so it's nice to have people here to do it with
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KartikPrabhu
Chicago always had 2 and we got quite a bit done, so...
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rhiaro
We're gonna do this weekly
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[tantek_]
rhiaro - seriously? wow. not just every other week?
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[tantek_]
I mean, go for it if you've got the bandwidth and interest!
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rhiaro
yeah I want to get good momentum so it carries on after I leave :p
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Zegnat
smart move rhiaro
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Zegnat
I hope Gothenburg can get some momentum going :)
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@_crossdiver
my internet homestead is now completely on @neocitiesweb. thanks @kyledrake+ team! http://www.ike.io/ #indieweb #neocities #interneting
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tentonbricks
alright, kids. I'm outta here. Thanks for the help and the lively conversation today. I think I'll have to come by more often.
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tbrb
I'll hopefully be able to keep some momentum going once rhiaro leaves. I'll be in the best position when I go back to uni at the beginning of sept too
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Zegnat
I wonder if there is any value in trying to get a HWC going at university. Hmm.
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rhiaro
Zegnat: I think the reason today has run for 4.5 hours is because we're all students..
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rhiaro
and have nothing better to do
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rhiaro
So I'd say: yes
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tbrb
and it's just nice to have a time to hack on stuff
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Zegnat
I can never stay on that long, even when I have nothing better to do I still have to get back to my home in the middle of nowhere.
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rhiaro
I work on my site all the time, but when there's time set aside like HWC I don't have to feel bad about it :)
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aaronpk_
that's exactly how i feel too :)
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Zegnat
But at least there is a later train available from my university than from Gothenburg, where I will always need to cut HWC short
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tantek.com
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[tantek_]
welcome back anytime tentonbricks!
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[tantek_]
tbrb - are you co-organizing HWC Edinburgh? If so could you add yourself as co-organizer here? http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club##Edinburgh
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tbrb
[tantek_]: I'm happy to take it on once rhiaro leaves at least, I'd not say I'm a co-organizer at the moment
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rhiaro
tbrb will be finding a new venue once the Fringe is over
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[tantek_]
tbrb - I strongly encourage you to work with rhiaro to co-organize while she's around, it'll make for a smoother transition :)
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rhiaro
we'll need to move when I go, as there won't be access to my office any more
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[tantek_]
Zegnat are you co-organizing in Göteborg (Gothenburg sp?) ?
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[tantek_]
rhiaro - fortunately you have a date for that so can plan accordingly with tbrb right?
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harryreeder.co.uk
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tantek.com
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Loqi
tbrb has 4 karma
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[tantek_]
rhiaro - now with screenshot illustrating all the Twitter notifications I know about (amazing serendipity of having the 5 variants I know of stacked one of each upon each other) https://indiewebcamp.com/notification#Twitter
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rhiaro
Closed all mentions related issues on bitbucket... opened twice as many new ones for others I broke and things that don't work properly yet
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rhiaro
sighs
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aaronpk_
i think that's still progress :P
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tbrb
Anyway, time to head back home for me I think
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[tantek_]
BTW - I've started to see Twitter A/B testing / switching people over to the new "heart" icon for favorites
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[tantek_]
so this is a good time to take screenshots of anything Twitter you've been meaning to
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[tantek_]
before the stars disappear
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Zegnat
[tantek_]: no, Jeena does Gothenburg. I just hope it takes off, which is why I made a point of being there for the first one
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[tantek_]
rhiaro - definitely progress
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tbrb
tonight's progress on publ pushed to github
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tbrb
and time to head
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rhiaro
yeah I have twitter hearts now, I don't like them
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rhiaro
noooo tbrb don't go
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Zegnat
Too expensive and too hard of a commute for me to co-organise and/or even be there every 2 weeks :(
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[tantek_]
rhiaro as you can see from that screenshot, @t still has stars, but I've noticed that @indiewebcamp has hearts
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rhiaro
I'ts not the hearts I don't like, but the new button layouts have circles around them and are spaced differently, and don't look particularly balanced
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[tantek_]
yeah that bugs me too
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[tantek_]
however, when you click a heart, the whole circle pulses larger briefly and settles back down and turns red
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rhiaro
oh. I hadn't clicked it cos I send all mine through bridgy publish :)
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[tantek_]
hah nice. I was using @indiewebcamp :)
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tantek.com
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[tantek_]
rhiaro did you take a photo of HWC Edinburgh?
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aaronpk_
wow good growd!
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rhiaro
I forgot
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks_
Well twitter's notification collapsing is worse than aaronpk's
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KevinMarks_
I just got a pile of notifications that @indiewebcamp faced my tweets
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KevinMarks_
s/ace/ave
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Loqi
KevinMarks_ meant to say: I just got a pile of notifications that @indiewebcamp faved my tweets
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aaronpk_
haha wat
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aaronpk_
gee thanks
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Zegnat
"aaronpk_, better at collapsing than Twitter" ?
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[tantek_]
KevinMarks, you reap what you tweet. ;)
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GWG
Maybe I should move to the UK to get an HWC/IWC crowd going
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@indiewebcamp
RT @stevepurkiss: New Blog Post: Dropping in on the Brighton Homebrew Website Club http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club #Brighton #Drupal #indieweb #ilov…
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aaronpk_
hmm I don't actually have notification collapsing that would collapse those
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aaronpk_
cause that'd be n source URLs and n target URLs
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /notification (-3) "it's all Android notifications"
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Zegnat
GWG: I don't think the UK needs you, Brighton's HWC seems to have broken all records anyway
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GWG
Zegnat: What place needs me?
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tantek.com
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Zegnat
Pick any country that hasn't had a HWC yet?
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[tantek_]
good catch KevinMarks - add your screenshot here: https://indiewebcamp.com/notification#Android
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[tantek_]
GWG, NYC definitely needs you - just need to figure out how to find the people that are interested but don't know about HWC
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GWG
[tantek_]: Sandwich board in Times Square?
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tantek.com
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[tantek_]
GWG, you could try some guerilla marketing with flyers or sidewalk chalkings
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GWG
[tantek_]: Sidewalk chalking is illegal
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GWG
Some kids were fined
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KevinMarks
ah, interesting aaronpk
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aaronpk_
yeah i'm only clustering when either sources or targets match
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aaronpk_
i guess a good question is what would you *want* to see in that case?
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[tantek_]
or yes, a Sandwich board in Times Square. "The End of Privacy is Nigh!" per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_Is_Nigh#Origin_of_name
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GWG
Which silo has a NY office I can march outside of?
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[tantek_]
I think they all do
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KevinMarks
I suppose I could mark all the tweets as POSSE copies of the combined HWC notes somehoe
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aaronpk_
"@indiewebcamp favorited 8 or your posts"?
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aaronpk_
s/or/of
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Loqi
aaronpk_ meant to say: "@indiewebcamp favofited 8 of your posts"?
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aaronpk_
you know what I mean Loqi figure it out
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KevinMarks
probably "Indiewebcamp Favorited: firsttweet except…,secondtweet excerpt…, etc
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aaronpk_
so clustering based on author, not just source URL
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aaronpk_
interesting
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snarfed1
makes sense
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[tantek_]
speaking of sandwiches, confession, the grilled cheese sandwich shop I'm sitting in has been killing it with the tunes, and I've been posting scrobbles using Shazam iOS app to @t_silos
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rascul
mmm sammiches
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aaronpk_
man before I do too much more with notifications, I really want to add a test suite
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aaronpk_
cause holy crap is this hard to get right
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[tantek_]
I'm thinking of posting this as my last jam that I POSSE to thisisismyjam.com https://twitter.com/t_silos/status/631899990563012608
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rascul
aaronpk_ i notice your selfoss fork seems to be lagging behind the original
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aaronpk_
rascul: I haven't touched it in a looong time
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@raretrack
Thinking about using @Known to store bookmarks, rather than in proprietary browsers. Hope it doesn't get too unwieldy! #IndieWeb
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aaronpk_
I actually didn't make any changes to core tho, I just added the microformats2 plugin
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rascul
ahh ok
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rascul
maybe i can just shove that into the latest upstream
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aaronpk_
probably, unless they changed their plugin API
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[tantek_]
now I want to make an "indieweb" playlist. on the theme of # ownyourdata: https://twitter.com/t_silos/status/631945011236438016 (see the lyrics)
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rascul
using tiny tiny rss atm but it has no microformat support
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[tantek_]
what is tiny tiny rss?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "tiny tiny rss" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101N
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Zegnat
rascul: how many feeds do you subscribe to with tt-rss?
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tantek.com
moved /tt-rss to /Tiny_Tiny_RSS "use full name as on site"
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Zegnat
I have been thinking of hosting my own RSS reader instead of using feedbin, but always afraid it is going to strain my hosting too much
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rascul
around 20
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[tantek_]
rascul are you using tt-rss on your own site?
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rascul
oh there was a tt-rss page, i thought i found it on the indiewebcamp wiki
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rascul
i might be switching it to selfoss, though
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[tantek_]
yup - just moved it to the long name
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Zegnat
ah, with 20 I don’t think you can tell me how my 349 feeds would perform
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rascul
heh nope no idea Zegnat
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Zegnat
Well, I am heading off for bed, looks like my "blog" will finally launch this weekend. Have a good day all
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rascul
good night Zegnat and good luck with the launch :)
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Loqi
sleep tight!
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snarfed
aaronpk: testsuite++, i'm obviously a big advocate
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aaronpk_
i think i can reasonably start with a test suite for testing generating the notification text, which would be separate from testing the actual clustering behavior
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aaronpk_
as in, given posts x,y,z I expect this sentence "foo"
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[tantek_]
Also for 'S' - SWAT0 - duh.
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[tantek_]
fortunately that works well in a sentence with salmentions :)
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aaronpk_
I just saw your image in the alphabet post! that's hilarious!
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GWG
rascul: If you wrote mf2 support, I'd be thrile.
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GWG
thrilled.
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[tantek_]
aaronpk - would you believe the box of blocks I bought did not have a W/J block?!?
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[tantek_]
I think I'm going to return it as defective, maybe they'll swap me another.
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rascul
GWG sorry, writing php code holds no interest for me :(
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[tantek_]
aaronpk, also, I find myself wanting to nearly always put in an (implied) featured image in my posts (especially blog posts!) just so that the /link-preview on the FB POSSE copy looks prettier!
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[tantek_]
trying to figure out how to capture that phenomenon / why / motivation
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[tantek_]
people like links with images. I'm sure someone has some click-through data somewhere.
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GWG
rascul: Tangling with the creator of TT-RSS holds no interest for m
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aaronpk_
[tantek_]: hah! did you have to use an M?
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[tantek_]
Yes! @tecgirl totally noticed and called me out on it in the IG
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[tantek_]
I'm really curious what the toy store employee's response is going to be when I tell them there was no W/J block so I want to return it. As in, what kind of person checks these things?!?
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aaronpk_
was it sold as a full alphabet? or just a random collection of letters?
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[tantek]
I think alphabet completeness is implied when it says "48 blocks". And the distribution of the other blocks was nearly all equal.
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