#indiewebcamp 2015-08-14

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tantek dang, Flickr permalinks have gone js;dr
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tantek that's a really bad sign - it means Flickr is no longer being archive.org'd
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@cleverdevil I blogged from my iPad text editor – Micropub and the IndieWeb – https://cleverdevil.io/2015/micropub-and-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/631981153235275776)
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snarfed1 tantek: ruh roh, really? i wonder if that will affect kylewm's work on supporting it in bridgy
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snarfed probably not if he's using the api
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tantek my guess is that their RSS feeds still work
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tantek so assuming you can still curl those, you should be ok
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snarfed it's api afaik
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tantek but yeah, RSS isn't archived either - so...
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tantek Flickr has gone dark in the historical archives
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gRegorLove I was able to run a capture on my Flickr profile, but there were no captures in the history.
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npdoty Flickr permalink pages load for me even with javascript disabled
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Loqi npdoty: tantek left you a message on 3/13 at 6:00pm: did you braindump any of what we discussed at HWC SF this week? E.g. code-of-conduct, noticing that FB notifications had an RSS feed (URL security through obscurity), Events itch scratching, Known Pro, etc.? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-13/line/1426294801107
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gRegorLove Archive.org doesn't copy images anyway, do they?
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tantek yes they do
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tantek that's why you can see very old home pages of companies with their logos etc.
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tantek welcome back npdoty :)
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npdoty oh Loqi, you're always pinging me months after the fact
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Loqi dude
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npdoty Loqi just doesn't believe you exist if you sit quietly somewhere
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tantek npdoty: it's Loqi's way of saying you've been missed ;)
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gRegorLove Hm. Wonder if that's newer. I've seen archive.org captures that were mainly text, since the images no longer exist online.
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gRegorLove I'm even more impressed with archive.org, then.
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npdoty well, tantek, I don't have a great memory or a blog post of what we discussed back in March. I might be a little more reachable on email :)
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npdoty waves
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@ChrisAldrich Drupal & #IndieWeb? @KevinMarks I'm making plans for @LADrupal #DrupalCamp in 2 weeks & was considering a #BoF .. http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/drupal-indieweb-kevinmarks-im-making-plans-for-ladrupal-drupalcamp-in (twitter.com/_/status/632004344028659713)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/drupal-indieweb-kevinmarks-im-making-plans-for-ladrupal-drupalcamp-in commented 'Drupal & #IndieWeb? @KevinMarks I'm making plans for @LADrupal #DrupalCamp in 2 weeks & was considering a #BoF session to introduce ...' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/drupal
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/drupal-indieweb-kevinmarks-im-making-plans-for-ladrupal-drupalcamp-in commented 'Drupal & #IndieWeb? @KevinMarks I'm making plans for @LADrupal #DrupalCamp in 2 weeks & was considering a #BoF session to introduce ...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood
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tantek and Yahoo search is going js;dr as well: "Please enable JavaScript / Our new search experience requires JavaScript to be enabled. Please enable JavaScript on your browser, then try again."
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tantek no sorry wrong search provider - that was *eBay*
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tantek Yahoo search is working fine
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tantek not sure why my FF is picking random search providers sometimes - will have to debug
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[snarfed] huh i wonder why those two mentions didn't dedupe
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[snarfed] time for the iterate part of "launch and iterate"! :P
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tantek ok weird, I'm seeing the image appear briefly on a Flickr photo permalink, but then something else loads and it disappears
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tantek what is Hypothesis?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hypothesis" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101P
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@lunamoth An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z - Tantek - http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632015320547328000)
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[aaronpk] oboy
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@kevinmarks RT @ChrisAldrich: Drupal & #IndieWeb? @KevinMarks I'm making plans for @LADrupal #DrupalCamp in 2 weeks & was considering a #BoF .. http://… (twitter.com/_/status/632071007528812544)
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@kevinmarks Come on over to http://indiewebcamp.com https://twitter.com/rem/status/632118555685842944 (twitter.com/_/status/632119203948920832)
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Jeena finally added lazy loading to the photos index page but fears that this will break most indiereaders https://jeena.net/photos
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 4 days, 3 hours ago: are you able to host HWC in Göteborg again this week? Could you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-09/line/1439186923378
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 8/10 at 11:35am: any chance of planning a venue for Göteborg HWC for 2015-08-26? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-10/line/1439231702242
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cweiske Jeena, another thing that makes atom feeds superior to h-feeds
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Jeena yeah
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: Come on over to http://indiewebcamp.com https://twitter.com/rem/status/632118555685842944 (twitter.com/_/status/632119811561099264)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: Come on over to http://indiewebcamp.com https://twitter.com/rem/status/632118555685842944 (twitter.com/_/status/632119812836167680)
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cweiske but as we already saw - readers have to fetch the detail page to get all info
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cweiske and there is probably no lazy loading there
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Jeena yeah but none of them do yet
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Jeena tell tantek I'm in Poland for vaccation for two weeks so I wasn't able to host a HWC in Gothenburg, but I told that to most of the interested, next time I'll host it again
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Jeena hm I always forget the syntax for Loqi
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Jeena Loqi help!
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Zegnat I think it is !tell
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Jeena !tell tantek I'm in Poland for vaccation for two weeks so I wasn't able to host a HWC in Gothenburg, but I told that to most of the interested, next time I'll host it again
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Jeena thanks Zegnat
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Jeena cweiske, I added a <noscript> image too, if I'm lucky then it will be picked up by the readers somehow
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cweiske I somehow doubt that :)
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Jeena yeah, it looks even worse because it just shows the html within <noscript> :/
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cweiske maybe they filter out the unknown tags, and noscript is unknown/considered unsafe
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Jeena yeah
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Zegnat Why display the contents then, if you consider it unsafe? Sounds like a bug
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cweiske Zegnat, I'm speculating
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Zegnat So am I :)
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Zegnat hmm, Jeena, you might not be the first one getting in trouble with this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-20/line/1432182439293
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Zegnat http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-20/line/1432183083628
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Jeena https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/issues/31
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Jeena ah thanks for the link Zegnat
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Zegnat no problem, couldn't imagine nobody had ever mentioned this before!
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[kevinmarks] so loqi doen't mirror other bot comments to irc, which I suppose is fair enough
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[number5] what is indiereader?
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Loqi A reader (or indie reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site as well https://indiewebcamp.com/indiereader
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[number5] give loqi a treat
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KevinMarks gives loqi [number5]'s treat
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@ShaneHudson @floopily Shudder, what's that for? WP integration? I tend to use webmentions and micropub for all that stuff these days (twitter.com/_/status/632149976601239552)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@ruihildt Learn the #indieweb #Alphabet now ! :) https://twitter.com/t/status/631643432000331776 (twitter.com/_/status/632152934348926976)
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@RikMende An Alphabet of the #Indieweb by @t http://www.rmendes.net/2015/an-alphabet-of-the-indieweb-by-t (twitter.com/_/status/632154229734375424)
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GWG Morning
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stream.tinokremer.nl edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+1) "/* 2015 */" (view diff)
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TinoKremer lol
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TinoKremer I know, I just did that ;)
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LanceyWork is indieauth down/slow for anyone else?
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cweiske works here
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lancey.space edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+146) "/* 2015 */ Added another post" (view diff)
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LanceyWork i was having a lot of trouble authing on the wiki
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LanceyWork it was giving me gateway timeouts
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cweiske there a 3 indieauth server instances IIRC
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cweiske maybe you got one that's down
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[aaronpk] Jeena: cweiske: you can always add an invisible data tag with the photo URL for the h-feed. The photo property doesn't have to be on an img tag
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cweiske I still consider <noscript> to be valid
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[aaronpk] Yeah. Was that a python html parser error?
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cweiske Jeena, ?
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[aaronpk] I would check with the pin13 parser but I still need to update my server so it understands Jeena's SSL certificate
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LanceyWork aaronpk, i was having trouble signing into the wiki through indieauth. was getting 504 gateway timeout errors. i managed to log in from the main page but i couldn't from /posts-about-the-indieweb
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LanceyWork is one of the servers down?
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[aaronpk] The PHP parser handles the noscript fine if you add class="u-photo" to it
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cweiske <noscript class="u-photo">?
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[aaronpk] s/it/the img tag inside it
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Loqi [aaronpk] meant to say: The PHP parser handles the noscript fine if you add class="u-photo" to the img tag inside it
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[aaronpk] <noscript><img src="photo.jpg" class="u-photo" /></noscript>
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[aaronpk] LancyWork: all three are running fine right now. What time were you having trouble?
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[aaronpk] LanceyWork: I do see the error in the logs, I'm guessing it timed out trying to fetch either your website or your github profile
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LanceyWork it was just a half hour ago
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LanceyWork my site is running a bit slow though, it could be me
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[aaronpk] looks like there is already an open issue to catch those timeouts with a better error message.
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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LanceyWork morning ben_thatmustbeme
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@jgmac1106 What is your best #indieweb resource for explaining webmentions to non-techy crowds? (twitter.com/_/status/632194819146809344)
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@_Mr_Spike_ Just testing if #webmentions work. http://servicethinker.de/blog/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/632196548663881728)
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@windley Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/632207594342354944)
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@juliastrnad @colinjohnston check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ Heard about it last night at @cascadesf #uxnight (twitter.com/_/status/632208676594384897)
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@idworkshop Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/632207594367528960)
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tantek.com edited /salmentions (+53) "see also comment-propagation" (view diff)
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@t Added salmention (to propagate responses upstream) & SWAT0 to IndieWeb Building Blocks Alphabet http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb (ttk.me t4cg1) (twitter.com/_/status/632210804574691328)
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@iglazer RT @idworkshop: Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://… (twitter.com/_/status/632210820290646016)
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+122) "alphabet" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "26" (view diff)
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@jgarber From @t, “An Alphabet of #indieweb Building Blocks” – http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632218977507405825)
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kylewm huh, was somebody putting a bunch of relative URLs into the reply field on https://kylewm.com/new/reply about an hour ago?
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@andigalpern RT @t: An Alphabet of IndieWeb Building Blocks: Article to Z Time: http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632233784696373249)
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@andigalpern @t I love how you used alphabet and color to group the content and create an engaging article. Great read! Go @indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/632234284632309761)
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@cascadesf RT @juliastrnad: @colinjohnston check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ Heard about it last night at @cascadesf #uxnight (twitter.com/_/status/632232473687027713)
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tantek Thanks andicascade!
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Loqi tantek: Jeena left you a message 7 hours, 34 minutes ago: I'm in Poland for vaccation for two weeks so I wasn't able to host a HWC in Gothenburg, but I told that to most of the interested, next time I'll host it again http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-14/line/1439544379135
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tantek Jeena: happy vacation then and back in September?
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club () "(-532) No NYC nor Göteborg planned for the 26th" (view diff)
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snarfed so, i rewrote https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ to scrape with a cookie instead of using the API
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snarfed horrible gross hack, but it'll survive after the API changes in Oct
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snarfed feedback is welcome!
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Zegnat "with a cookie"?
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snarfed (shift-refresh if you see the old version)
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snarfed yup, with a cookie
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Zegnat checks source code repository
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snarfed not my cookie. :P users enter their own
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tantek snarfed - oh wow, I was wondering if you might resort to that
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snarfed not proud
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Zegnat Gotta say, interesting
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tantek I have a feeling more and more we're going to have to do that for POSSE / backfeed in the future.
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[aaronpk] heh wow
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@qiqing RT @simonv3: Federated hosting and the indieweb: https://blog.sandstorm.io/news/2014-07-21-open-source-web-apps-require-federated-hosting.html (great blog post about 'why?' from @SandstormIO) (twitter.com/_/status/632238757442363392)
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snarfed we did indeed lose fb comment/like bridgy publish support due to api changes, and i definitely didn't try to replace it with cookies
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snarfed (fb certainly wouldn't like that, and i didn't want to endanger the whole app)
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snarfed i'd guess backfeed is safe for a while though
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snarfed on a related note, please don't tweet/post/advertize the new cookie facebook-atom too loudly, i'd like to keep it low profile for the same reason :P
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voxpelli kylewm: I wass messing with your indie-config setup ;) I need to get my own
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Loqi voxpelli: aaronpk left you a message on 8/11 at 2:09pm: for your review: https://indiewebcamp.com/private-messaging-brainstorming http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-11/line/1439327351366
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tantek voxpelli: I need to get my indie-config setup too (on the webaction buttons side)
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tantek also, kylewm may not be checking messages here for a bit - best to leave him a !tell if you want to make sure he sees it.
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voxpelli !tell kylewm I was testing my indie-config setup with your indie-config so made a few localhost-actions to it some hours ago :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: with my new micropub-integration I can very soon start making use of webaction buttons myself :) Basically just need automatic webmentions to complete the circle now
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@neocitiesweb RT @_crossdiver: my internet homestead is now completely on @neocitiesweb. thanks @kyledrake+ team! http://www.ike.io/ #indieweb #neoc… (twitter.com/_/status/632243736643170305)
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cleverdevil.io edited /Known (+60) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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tantek Hey RSS fans, there's a bunch of good *current* RSS resources and useful tips here: http://stream.withknown.com/2015/how-to-do-more-with-rss-feeds please add them to /RSS !
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gregorlove.com edited /Goodreads (+136) "POSSE to Goodreads" (view diff)
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sensiblemn I just installed mediawiki on my indieweb site and want to know what the current suggested customizations are. tantek and benward, i see that OverrideEntryTitle and SemanticHTML are recommended on http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-customization but both projects on GitHub look a few years old. Are they still good to use and recommended?
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tantek in short yes. pretty simple extensions that have needed very little maintenance
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tantek I was going to say see also https://indiewebcamp.com/mediawiki-customization but that looks like it's covered :)
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tantek sensiblemn: the key one is SemanticHTML
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sensiblemn great! i also had a heck of a time trying to figure out how to hide MediaWiki "Talk" links, but I think i'm making progress.
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sensiblemn tantek: do you still recommend "enable hyphenated phrases for page names (rather than the MediaWiki default of converting dashes and spaces to underscores)" or have you modified your position on that?
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sensiblemn tantek: yeah, that was the link that lead me to the microformats page
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tantek definitely hyphenated phrases
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tantek underscores_in_names--
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Loqi underscores_in_names has -1 karma
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sensiblemn haha. great, well thanks for writing up that wiki article a few years ago. it has been a help. lemme know if you have any other mediawiki customization suggestions. i'd like to get as many of them implemented at the beginning of this project as possible
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@JamborJan RT @simonv3: Federated hosting and the indieweb: https://blog.sandstorm.io/news/2014-07-21-open-source-web-apps-require-federated-hosting.html (great blog post about 'why?' from @SandstormIO) (twitter.com/_/status/632260102217707521)
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tantek sensiblemn: I do know it can be a pain to keep up with MediaWiki maintenance
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tantek you may want to consider the IndieAuth login plugin that aaronpk has developed, though I'm not sure where to install it from
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aaronpk it's on github
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tantek can you link to it from https://indiewebcamp.com/mediawiki-customization ?
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth-MediaWiki
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aaronpk sure
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aaronparecki.com edited /mediawiki-customization (+76) (view diff)
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cleverdevil anyone here used the Flickr importer plugin for Known?
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cleverdevil is trying to bootstrap his new site.
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tantek welcome cleverdevil!
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tantek cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 1 karma
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cleverdevil thanks :)
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cleverdevil publishes at https://cleverdevil.io
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cleverdevil I also happen to work at a hosting/cloud company, so can definitely help with advancing the cause ;)
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tantek very cool
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tantek definitely add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People so you show up all nice and linked with an icon in the IRC logs!
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KevinMarks so if CapitalsInNames is CamelCase and underscores_in_names is snake_case what is hyphens-in-names called?
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snarfed kebab case
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tantek kebab-case++
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Loqi kebab-case has 1 karma
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aaronpk hahaha what
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KevinMarks excellent
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KevinMarks shish-kebab-case
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aaronpk yeah I wish mediawiki would display hyphens-in-names like they do with underscores_in_names
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KevinMarks gievn that donner kebab is another thing entirely that is a less useful metaphor
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KevinMarks ÅŸiÅŸ-kebap-case
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tantek KevinMarks: not true! dönner kebab *is* one giant piece of meat on a skewer held vertically in place
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aaronpk more like KEBAB-CASE
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tantek while it is spun usually by some machine, next to a heating element
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KevinMarks right, so it isn't a series of words on a skewer
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tantek just one BIG one
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tantek like CSS vendor prefixes
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tantek -webkit-
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aaronpk DÖNER-KEBAB-CASE and shish-kebab-case
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cleverdevil.io edited /IRC_People (+132) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks in the UK, unqualified kebab is döner, in the US it's shish
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tantek wat. I disagree.
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KevinMarks in the US döner is gyro
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tantek the reason it is called "dönner" is that's a Turkish adjective for "spinning" or "turning"
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KevinMarks I know
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tantek KevinMarks: no, in Greece, a sandwich made with dönner is a gyro
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KevinMarks I'm saying in the adopted language it is differnt
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tantek the US use of gyro is adoption of the Greek word
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cleverdevil.io created /User:Cleverdevil.io (+54) "Created page with "I'm Jonathan LaCour. Find me at https://cleverdevil.io"" (view diff)
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KevinMarks in the UK if you say 'lets get kebab' in means donner (in their transliteration)
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KevinMarks in the US it means shish
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tantek because of frequency of specific use, the dominant specific use is implied by the generic term
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tantek sheesh. ;)
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aaronpk sheesh kebab
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KevinMarks but kebab-case makes sense, as I can't think of what donner-kebab-case would be
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KevinMarks now I want kebab for lunch
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KartikPrabhu --DONNERKEBABCASE-
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benwerd Chicken shish, garlic and chili sauce </muscle memory>
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KartikPrabhu ok isn't this where tantek banishes us to indiechat?
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tantek I tried to drop that hint subtly in the other channel to no avail
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benwerd Doner kebab case: everything's a pita
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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gRegorLove Hello, #indiekebabcamp
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KevinMarks DONNER
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KevinMarks KEBAB
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benwerd :D
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KevinMarks works better if your irc client doesn't strip[ leading spaces
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KartikPrabhu judas priest! we have officially jumped the shark on this one. time to quit while we are ahead
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@cleverdevil @Ipstenu you could also experiment with the Micropub and Indieauth plugins for WP! (twitter.com/_/status/632269314775617537)
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kylewm voxpelli: thanks :) no worries, test all you want! I just need better error reporting when there's a SSL error or HTTP error or something
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Loqi kylewm: voxpelli left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: I was testing my indie-config setup with your indie-config so made a few localhost-actions to it some hours ago :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-14/line/1439573025341
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tantek welcome back kylewm! could you get us a venue for the next HWC SF? I'm not going to be able to make it -https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm I can do that
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@kurtseifried great way to kill some time, reading to obituaries: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/632284276457803776)
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aaronpk i just had this crazy idea for Monocle
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aaronpk based on yesterday and today's issues i've been having with my IRC client
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aaronpk I want to use Monocle to replace my use of my terminal-based IRC client
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aaronpk half of what I use IRC for anyway is a reader of various feeds, mostly twitter searches
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk based on my work on the slack-irc and web-irc bridge, I feel like it's not a huge stretch to turn Monocle into an IRC client too
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tantek and there's that POSSE to IRC Known plugin also
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tantek could even do some of this semi-automatically based on content hints, e.g. I would like to post a note, with the #indiewebcamp hashtag (maybe even starting a note with #indiewebcamp) and then have Falcon automatically know to POSSE it to IRC and NOT to Twitter.
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tantek then I could just post #indiewebcamp notes on my site, and have them go to IRC automatically without gumming up my tweets with all of them
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tantek from a client perspective, I would treat the #indiewebcamp hashtag prefixing as just picking a primary topic to post about / in
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tantek what is Paprika
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Paprika" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101R
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tantek aaronpk since you're familiar with Paprika, could you start that ? ^^^
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tantek then we can add cleverdevil's screenshot too http://share.cleverdevil.io/2015/08/13-55-45.png
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aaronpk Paprika is an application for creating an organizing recipes http://www.paprikaapp.com/
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loqi.me created /Paprika (+114) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-14/line/1439586157690 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk the mismatch between Monocle and my current IRC client is that my IRC client right now is sometimes the canonical storage of some of the data
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aaronpk I use IRC to log things, so like my system that sets the electronic door code will log to IRC that it happened, but that system doesn't have a URL of its own
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tantek private logs?
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aaronpk so either I could make a super simple micropub+microformats blog that actually stores this stuff and monocle can subscribe to *that*, or monocle could have a way to have outside things write to it
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aaronpk the other thing I need to figure out first is re IRC... would using monocle as my IRC client mean that everything I type in IRC is also posted to my site?
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aaronpk but then what about things other people say in IRC?
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snarfed honestly i'm a bit skeptical about this kind of thing
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aaronpk what kind of thing?
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tantek aaronpk, I see snarfed's point. I mean what are you going to do about the diametric opposition between IRC timeline (most recent at bottom), and classic "feed" reader timeline (most recent at top) ?!?
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snarfed some things have such different and specialized UXes - for good reason - that it may not work very well to try to force a fit
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snarfed even if there is some overlap
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aaronpk i guess what i'm saying is that I currently use IRC for some very unconventional non-IRC things
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aaronpk really I just want to port what I currently use IRC for to the web
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tantek ah, so you mean IRC as plumbing, not IRC as UI
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snarfed now that makes more sense
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snarfed (even apart from irc specifically, i get that we want to do lots of things from our own web sites, and that's great for many of them, but it doesn't mean we have to try to do *all* of them that way)
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aaronpk not even using IRC as plumbing
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aaronpk a lot of this doesn't *need* to be irc, irc was just a convenient realtime mechanism I had available when I set up the thing
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snarfed you want to get *away* from IRC as plumbing, toward web as plumbing
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tantek realtime++ is key
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Loqi realtime has 3 karma
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aaronpk yeah IRC is not the greatest plumbing and is certainly not the greatest UI
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tantek I would disagree about the UI aspect
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snarfed it's very appropriate for what it was designed for, just not also everything you've overloaded it for
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tantek it is 1) FAST
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tantek and 2 ) very encouraging of SHORT statements
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aaronpk and yet for some reason I still find it far more useful than the UI of feed readers or other things
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tantek ^^^ that's why
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aaronpk I think Slack has done a great job of making the good parts of IRC look a lot better
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tantek and 3 ) SIMPLER (just one text box to type in typically, no checkboxes, no optional title/tags, none of that extraneous carp)
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tantek yeah
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aaronpk the UI difference between writing in IRC and posting to my website and POSSEing is with IRC I first load the context of the room, but when posting from a client like Quill there's no context adn I just choose where to push the sentence
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tantek Quill or monocle?
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aaronpk quill
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tantek the nice thing about the current IRC logs is that you see context quickly before you post
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tantek whereas a pure posting client doesn't give you that
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aaronpk yea
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tantek is still waiting to see when someone will go full-on integrated /reader /create UI on their homepage
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tantek or on another page like /read
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aaronpk see now i'm leaning towards something totally different
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aaronpk treating my local reader (right now IRC client) as a totally private thing that stores all my logs of things
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aaronpk and that has the ability to publish things on my public website
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snarfed sounds better
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KevinMarks right, which is like the twitter UI
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aaronpk cause that's how I use my IRC client right now
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KevinMarks woodwind is close to this
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tantek would be interesting to see a /reader structured more like an IRC client, where you expect to scroll to the bottom to see the lates
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KevinMarks with a read up to line like slack
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tantek KevinMarks - yes!
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loqi.me created /NUC (+158) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Paprika (+193) "link term, create UI, screenshot, see also" (view diff)
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tantek cleverdevil: if you'd like, please upload your Paprika screenshot to https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Upload so we can embed that in the /Paprika page (currently just hotlinking your screenshot on your server but I figure you might IWC to deal with the bandwidth of serving the screenshot)
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cleverdevil tantek: its hosted in DreamObjects (DreamHost's S3 object store)... its not going anywhere ;)
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tantek ok great!
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Jeena there is so much to do with ones own website where the silos are already build and you can just use them, another check-in thingy, checking in and rating every beer you drink https://untappd.com/user/jeena
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tantek what is Untappd?
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Loqi Untappd is a social silo for posting consumptions of beer (which they call "Check-ins" to beers) and optionally any or all of where (venue, thus making it an actual checkin), 1-5 star rating, photo, or review commentary https://indiewebcamp.com/Untappd
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tantek Jeena, add yourself to the wiki ^^^ :)
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snarfed Jeena: totally doable! start very simple and low tech, then iterate. e.g. https://snarfed.org/beer is dirt simple
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aaronpk startingsimple++
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tantek startsimple++
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Loqi startsimple has 1 karma
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snarfed (my list pages like that don't even have mf2 yet, mostly because we don't know what it is yet. it's still unclear even for books, movies, etc)
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tantek agreed
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Jeena cool
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tantek snarfed, for media of that sort, you can always start with h-cite
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tantek h-cite++ is a handy generic microformat for all kinds of media books, movies, cds, laserdiscs
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+63) "move summary dates template to "Meetings" where it's more obvious" (view diff)
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aaronpk yeah you know what I use a bottom-scrolling reader far more often
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tantek I feel like there some sort of interesting UI/UX insight coming
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tantek has anyone tried to build a UI to "Twitter" that is bottom-scrolling? Perhaps have a "[x] Bottom-scrolling" option in Monocle?
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aaronpk now i'm tempted to just tear monocle apart and make it bottom-scrolling
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aaronpk and make it look more like our irc logs or Slack
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tantek both IRC and IM/chat/txt UIs are bottom-scrolling. just saying.
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tantek ooh
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tantek that's one way to make a distinctive reader
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tantek it also solves the problem of tweets going one time direction, and their @-replies underneath them going the other time direction
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aaronpk i already added the concept of "channels" to monocle, so...
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kylewm scrolling seems very hard to get right; would you autoscroll to new entries?
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aaronpk probably yeah. with the little "read" marker
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aaronpk maybe possibly not scrolling un-read things off the screen
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Jeena kylewm++ fixed his reader today which I broke this morning https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/issues/31
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Loqi kylewm has 215 karma
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Jeena I'm still not quite sure how to work around the alt-text of the javascript enhanced images showing up in the reader but at least the noscript image shows up again :)
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tantek what is bottom-scrolling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bottom-scrolling" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/101V
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@benwerd Forestry looks interesting for purely-static websites. https://forestryio.herokuapp.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632327420314411008)
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