#indiewebcamp 2015-08-15

2015-08-15 UTC
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aaronpk maybe if i build my own IRC client replacement I finally can stop accidentally sinking people's battleships
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aaronpk b 13
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[snarfed] lol
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aaronpk wow this is hardcore optimization https://code.facebook.com/posts/991252547593574/the-technology-behind-preview-photos/
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aaronpk considers doing that to his own images using data URIs in the HTML
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aaronpk if I do a normal jpg export from photoshop using quality=32 blur=1 I can get an image down to ~600 bytes including the jpg header
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aaronpk of course that blows up to 1800 characters as a data URI
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aaronpk on a page like Jeena's https://jeena.net/photos that would add about 330kb to the initial download of the HTML
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aaronpk probably too much to make that naive approach
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@coreymwamba @csarven I haven't implemented webmentions yet; still planning. Have you seen SORON? potentially useful? http://www.bib.uc3m.es/~fcalzada/soron/soron_content/soron (twitter.com/_/status/632413160658571264)
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KevinMarks do we need a way to mark up cover photos?
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KevinMarks reading the facebook thing, and remembering prior art from RTP
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KevinMarks also why 42x42? jpeg has an 8x8 block size so 40x40 or 48x32 make more sense
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KevinMarks actually they had 3:1 aspect ratio so 72×32
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@stevepurkiss Doing more #Drupal 7->8 migration of my site encouraged by my earlier trip to @indiewebcamp’s Homebrew Website Club (http://purkiss.com/blog/steve-purkiss/2015/08/13/dropping-in-on-the-brighton-homebrew-website-club) (twitter.com/_/status/632502662605447168)
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LukasRos !tell Jeena I liked your post about the IndieWebCamp so I wanted to literally ”žlike“ it and realized you have no rel=”žwebmention“ on the site so I had to send it manually.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@drupalnation RT @stevepurkiss: Doing more #Drupal 7->8 migration of my site encouraged by my earlier trip to @indiewebcamp’s Homebrew Website Club (http… (twitter.com/_/status/632508730563776512)
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Zegnat !tell LukasRos Jeena sends a Link HTTP header with rel="webmention" on all of his pages, HTML elements are not the only acceptable way to link to a webmention endpoint.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mrhenko Does anyone here use the "Indieweb Post Kinds" plugin for WordPress?
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Zegnat LukasRos: Jeena sends a Link HTTP header with rel="webmention" on all of his pages, HTML elements are not the only acceptable way to link to a webmention endpoint.
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LukasRos Alright … so the fault is my own webmention implementation which did not support it yet …
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Loqi LukasRos: Zegnat left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: Jeena sends a Link HTTP header with rel="webmention" on all of his pages, HTML elements are not the only acceptable way to link to a webmention endpoint. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-15/line/1439637272757
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LukasRos I was just checking for the HTML element.
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Zegnat Yeah, a pretty big part of the spec is there just to tell you all the possibilities of endpoint discovery. It is the only part of the spec I think is convoluted
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snarfed mrhenko_: GWG wrote that pugin
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GWG Did I hear someone mention me?
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tantek good morning GWG! looks like you maybe just missed him: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-15/line/1439646977185
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tantek good morning GWG! looks like you maybe just missed him: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-15/line/1439646977185
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tantek !karma karma
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Loqi karma has 18 karma
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GWG tantek Disappointing. I always want feedback
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tantek GWG do you have highlight phrases for the names of your WordPress plugins?
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tantek e.g. "Indieweb Post Kinds"
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tantek or even just any mention of WordPress in this channel!
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@chim0 Mmkay, the blog/stream now accept webmentions... maybe. I think. Work-in-progress either way. (twitter.com/_/status/632598462484234240)
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Loqi [mention] Alireza Salmanzadeh and Stephanie Snipes were invited to https://webmention.io/notification/Vp-sEPWJZ6Nw87E43rLnrA
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Loqi [mention] Jon Udell and IndieWebCamp liked alphabet https://indiewebcamp.com/alphabet https://webmention.io/notification/nbpwCPldAo_42-6egbMwTA
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Loqi [mention] Eric Wallace and Konrad Neuwirth liked loving
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/wmPFoN1rbmJlfszIulAAjg
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Loqi [mention] IndieWebCamp liked http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club https://webmention.io/notification/Gk9jmFNoibVgwU8go40dsQ
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Loqi [mention] IndieWebCamp liked An
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Loqi [mention] Jonathan LaCour posted Micropub
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Loqi [mention] Willa Cassandra and Valerie Janelle reposted http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/_cFcw-fBvQ6Ujdc6tCCdeQ
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Loqi [mention] Lloyd Davis and David Pecotić liked http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/wgh-_ZT9qj-vWjyn2BqBTw
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Loqi [mention] Jonathan LaCour posted IndieWeb
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan wrote a post that linked to an event: Homebrew
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Loqi [mention] Darius Dunlap, Ben Werdmüller, Tantek Çelik, Ilya Kreymer, Benjamin Michael Goering, Ryan Barrett, Andi Galpern, Dan Lyke, Justin Ormont, Katarzyna Babula, Dan Gailey, Lauren Buchman, and Eva Lee were invited to an event: Homebrew
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan, Kevin Marks, and Kat Lucky RSVPd yes to an event: Homebrew
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern https://webmention.io/notification/P5gHWb-cIbq1bmLk2XrlNw
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aaronpk sorry!
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk the script crashed yesterday so it was processing a backlog
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aaronpk hopefully just did a thing to prevent that
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aaronpk odd that some of these are cut off way before the IRC length limit
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[snarfed] regardless, getting better!
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@jackyalcine Okay. I know I have some #IndieWeb followers. I'm looking to add more support for it to my personal website. Ideas? (twitter.com/_/status/632614052276084736)
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mrhenko GWG: Yeah, I asked for someone with experience using the WP plugin "Indieweb Post Kinds". I think I solved the problem myself, but thanks anyway.
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KevinMarks mrhenko: if you can describe what went wrong and what you did to fix it, GWG may be able to improve it for people in future
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KevinMarks (these kinds of user experience reports are really useful)
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mrhenko I was looking for a way the enable more post kinds (repost etc.) and didn't realize that "Enable Link Sharing Kinds" included the kinds I was looking for.
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mrhenko Maybe a short text under the "Enable Link Sharing Kinds" option that explains which posts kinds this refers to would be nice.
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GWG mrhenko: Sorry for the delay. I was having lunch.
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GWG I plan to change the feature to allow full customization of the list in the next version
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mrhenko That would be great!
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GWG Instead of Link Sharing, you'd have a checkbox for each kind.
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GWG I am working on a big cleanup of the code eight now. Bugfixes, etc.
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GWG Been slowed by hurting my arm, which is slowing my typing
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GWG mrhenko: Any other suggestions? I keep trying to refine it.
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mrhenko GWG: The main problem I have with it, and all other IndieWeb Camp plugins, is a lack of short and concise about text. There are tons of things to read on the IWC wiki but the plugins themselves could benefit from succinct descriptions of what they do and how they works.
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mrhenko GWG: For instance, regarding the post kinds: Is it possible to add arbitrary post kinds? If so, how?
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention https://webmention.io/notification/omt5AiiHHxMP3CHneOUPEA
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GWG mrhenko: All the WordPress plugins could use better documentation if you are interested in helping with that. we've made some efforts
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GWG mrhenko: Arbitrary such as?
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GWG I support it by plugin at the moment, but not interface.
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mrhenko My current focus is to my site "IndieWebified", but once that is done maybe I can put some time towards working on documentation. Now promises, though.
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GWG There are a bunch I haven't coded. Checkin, travel, event, etc.
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GWG mrhenko: Any way I can help, tell me. I have the goal of improving the WordPress Indieweb experience
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mrhenko That's ("Checkin", "travel" etc.) what I meant. A simple way for the user to define those and other that might be added to the spec later would be nice.
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GWG mrhenko: I note them in the Readme
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GWG But they need more specialized coding
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mrhenko GWG: Can I see the readme in the WP admin panel or do I need to go to github for that?
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GWG mrhenko, but when you install. But I should and will add it to the settings page
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mrhenko It would be nice to have it on the settings page.
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mrhenko By the way, I just tried to send a WebMention from my site to one of your posts (https://david.shanske.com/2015/04/08/snes/). Did the mention show up at your end?
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GWG Yes
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GWG I moderate from unknown sources
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mrhenko Seems like a wise choice. :)
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Zegnat Interesting GWG. Do you use vouch to let people bypass moderation?
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GWG Zegnat: No, domain whitelist
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GWG I mostly whitelist Bridgy
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GWG Approved the mention if you want to look
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mrhenko Thanks
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mrhenko It seems to include my quote from your original post. Is that a problem that you or other people here have seen before? I use the Indieweb WebMention plugin for WebMentions.
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[snarfed] mrhenko: http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation
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mrhenko Thanks snarfed, but the info on that site is for the receiver of a webmention, not a sender right?
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks reprocesses webmentions that are replies into WordPress comments
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GWG It is picking up the In Reply as part of the comment.
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GWG Will have to look into that
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GWG I think because it is inside the e-content
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GWG But I know abut options for that
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mrhenko Aha, should the "In reply to" part be outside of the e-content?
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GWG But the problem is how themes work.
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GWG I've used both embedding inside and outside of the content.
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GWG My current preferred technique is to wrap the content in an e-content div at a high priority.
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mrhenko In my case the theme is my own so I can make changes to it. But as far as I know the in-reply-to part is inserted by one of the IWC plugins using a filter for "the_content".
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GWG mrhenko: It is.
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GWG But, let me make a suggestion
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mrhenko Please do!
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s/blob/master/inc/template-tags.php#L80
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GWG This is how I handled it.
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GWG I added e-content in my theme as a filter at top priority
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GWG I tried other ways, but this was the way I found didn't mess up with other plugins
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mrhenko (It's getting late here and I'm tired so maybe this is a dumb question. Please bare with me.) I use a <div> with e-content as a class and inside that I use the_content() in a php tag. Is there a difference in results between our ways?
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GWG If you surround the_content with it in the theme, you end up getting any plugin that embeds infromation inside the_content showing up in your replies
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GWG That's why I wrap it in at priority 1. Default is priority 10. It guarantees any third-party plugin information is outside the e-content block.
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GWG I originally built the e-content into the theme file, but I kept having issues with the results.
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mrhenko Okay, so if I do it with a filter instead I would get the <div> with p-in-reply-to from the plugin as a separate element on the same level as my "e-content" div, instead of inside it?
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GWG Exactly
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GWG Also, I would, to indicate you are a microformats2 compliant theme, add in, 'add_theme_support('microformats2'); '
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GWG Both mf2_s and Sempress do, so plugins are aware, though we haven't quite decided what that does
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GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Data#Themes
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KevinMarks does bridgy bridge reviews for facebook pages?
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mrhenko Thanks GWG!
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@schnarfed @NoteToSelf Great episode! Re controlling photos etc so Instagram can't delete them, check out https://indiewebcamp.com/ Worthwhile community. (twitter.com/_/status/632674552091291648)
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[snarfed] KevinMarks huh, I've never heard of an FB page review before
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[snarfed] file an issue with details pls?
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KevinMarks neither had I, but I made a page for Rosie's business and a review showed up
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[snarfed] one catch is probably that the target would be the front page, and not many people handle front page webmentions yet
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KevinMarks true. though with webmention.heroku.app that works
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@dbarthjones RT @idworkshop: Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://… (twitter.com/_/status/632679612401758208)
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Loqi [mention] Tino Kremer commented '@jackyalcine perhaps you can find some interesting bits here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started #indieweb' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (https://stream.tinokremer.nl/2015/jackyalcine-perhaps-you-can-find-some-interesting-bits-here-getting_started)
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@tinokremer @jackyalcine perhaps you can find some interesting bits here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632680279031840768)
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@kevinmarks @jackyalcine those are good starts. Come hang out in irc and talk to people while you do it, they can help test. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (twitter.com/_/status/632681930681511936)
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@VRM RT @idworkshop: Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://… (twitter.com/_/status/632684080342011904)
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@tinokremer Great, the alphabet of the #indieweb by Tantek http://tantek.com/2015/224/b1/alphabet-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/632681383190769664)
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mrhenko GWG: I just wanted to say thanks for helping me out. I'm logging out now. Good night!
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Loqi night
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