#indiewebcamp 2015-08-19

2015-08-19 UTC
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gRegorLove On Twitter star vs heart: https://medium.com/message/faves-71b8fc71659e
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KevinMarks OK, updated pestagram. Now has a u-photo link to the highres image
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KevinMarks and as bonus it now supports video
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KevinMarks http://www.pestagram.com/user/2975244
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KevinMarks note tantek's gaudy drink
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KevinMarks hm chrome video player doesn't have zoom at that size?
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gRegorLove Awesome. I think Woodwind might have it cached though.
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gRegorLove Videos show full column width in Woodwind for me
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gRegorLove KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 151 karma
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KevinMarks nice, they work well
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KevinMarks kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 216 karma
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KevinMarks hm firefox doesn't like me putting an a href around a video with controls
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gRegorLove Or maybe Woodwind just isn't pickin up the link with u-photo, showing the 320px <img> instead
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KevinMarks need a fresh image from a feed
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KevinMarks hm, I put u-photo on the big one
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snarfed idly considers scraping g+ to convert it to atom
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KevinMarks kylewm: are you ignoring u-photo and looking for img tags?
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snarfed probably shouldn't
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gRegorLove Based on aaronpk's photo posts as an example in Woodwind, I don't think it's doing any special handling of u-photo; just displaying the e-content.
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gRegorLove With mf2 removed. So aaronpk's img.u-photo shows up
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gRegorLove Anyway, just a nice-to-have with pestagram. Don't need to change it on my account. :)
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KevinMarks well, it's removing height and width on the img
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KevinMarks if it's pass through I could use srcset
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@cleverdevil Any #IndieWeb developers working on POSSE for Goodreads via their API? Would love a @withknown plugin for writing and editing reviews. (twitter.com/_/status/633848396239892480)
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@cleverdevil Any #IndieWeb developers working on POSSE for Goodreads via their API? Would love a @withknown plugin for writing .. https://cleverdevil.io/2015/any-indieweb-developers-working-on-posse-for-goodreads-via-their (twitter.com/_/status/633848877309919232)
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@kelflanagan RT @windley: Internet Identity Workshop early bird pricing ends Friday. #iiw #vrm #indieweb http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ https://twitter.com/windley/status/633357661942083585/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/633853369761726464)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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endi evening tantek
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tantek What is ThisIsMyJam?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/thisismyjam
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tantek hmm
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tantek.com edited /This_Is_My_Jam (+0) "nesting punctuation syntax > English punctuation historical errors of putting nested quotes outside period" (view diff)
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tantek documenting the shutdown
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tantek.com edited /This_Is_My_Jam (+2122) "POSSE to (incl example), document shutdown and challenges that led to it." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+161) "note POSSE URL permalink" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+132) "digup gregorlove's POSSE copy permalinks" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+80) "/* 2014 */ Rudiger Meyer: 10 Years" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+1066) "why, how, brainstorming" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Kirby (+196) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Chloe Weil, Rudiger Meyer" (view diff)
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cweiske aaronpk, monocle.p3k.io did not renew its subscription to my feed
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cweiske Last Ping Received: 2015-06-05 20:13:16
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cweiske Expiration: 2015-06-10 22:40:41
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cweiske why?
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KevinMarks reading scrollback
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KevinMarks aaronpk: instagram already has a post to twitter chiclet
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KevinMarks could you look for that tweet in ownyourgram, post a twitter native image, and delete the tweet?
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KevinMarks OK, pestagram is now fullsize images for the sake of woodwind
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KevinMarks !tell gRegorLove I made pestagram use the 640x640 image as thats dinky on my phone anyway
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jkphl @marcthiele @helloanselm @mxstbr *raises hand* Would love to contribute some #indieweb stuff to that. Pls keep me involved. (twitter.com/_/status/633903727146045440)
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper uploaded /File:posting+embedded-photo.png "facebook example of posting with embedded photo, which in turn has its own description"
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tantek.com edited /jam (+132) "/* Tantek */ add another example" (view diff)
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /photo (+270) "/* Discussion */ facebook example of posting with embedded photo, which in turn has its own description" (view diff)
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /File:posting+embedded-photo.png (+70) (view diff)
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@RikMende .@glynmoody i'm looking at my original post http://www.rmendes.net/2015/goodbye-and-thanks---huge-list-of-glynmoody-great-articles thinking your would love #indieweb & adopt it to power your publications (twitter.com/_/status/633940731590279169)
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Oliver__G Getting a quill error after using silo to connect by blogger.com blog: I am NOT a techie wink emoticon Help? I think we btalked on IRC / #joiito Slim Application Error The application could not run because of the following error: Details Type: ErrorException Code: 8 Message: Undefined index: me File: /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/controllers/auth.php Line: 163 Trace #0 /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/controllers/auth.php(163): Slim\S
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Oliver__G (hi ;) )
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GWG Morning, all
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LanceyWork good morning GWG
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GWG Any excitement, LanceyWork?
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LanceyWork nothing yet
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LanceyWork i have training sessions to run all day though
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GWG Oh
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LanceyWork so a little peace and quiet while i drink my coffee is good
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LanceyWork taking some time to read over my feed and poke around for bugs in woodwind
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Oliver__G Getting a quill error after using silo to connect by blogger.com blog: I am NOT a techie wink emoticon Help? I think we btalked on IRC / #joiito Slim Application Error The application could not run because of the following error: Details Type: ErrorException Code: 8 Message: Undefined index: me File: /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/controllers/auth.php Line: 163 Trace #0 /web/sites/quill.p3k.io/controllers/auth.php(163): Slim\S
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voxpelli Oliver__G: I remember someone else mentioning the same, but I fail to see an issue at the Silo.pub project – maybe add one there as well? https://github.com/kylewm/feverdream
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voxpelli kylewm who created Silo.pub is based in the US so it's still a bit early for him to be online
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aaronpk KevinMarks: interesting idea
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ben_thatmustbeme whats that?
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ben_thatmustbeme needs to find time to write code for IWC things again
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-19#t1439967959143
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aaronpk cweiske: hmm odd. I think this is the issue for it https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/17
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cweiske now that you say it I think we had a discussion about that
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aaronpk I think it happens if the feed isn't updated before it expires
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cweiske just saw the github page update itself :)
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aaronpk like if Monocle never receives a ping for the subscription it will neve go back and check it
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tantek aaronpk did you see the Quill bug report ^^^
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cleverdevil is anyone working on some form of automated POSSE for Goodreads?
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tantek what is Goodreads?
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Loqi Goodreads is a silo for keeping track of books, reviews, and reading progress https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads
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tantek cleverdevil: looks like manual only currently: https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads#POSSE_to_Goodreads
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cleverdevil gotcha.
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cleverdevil https://www.goodreads.com/api/documentation
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cleverdevil so, this is a thing.
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cleverdevil requires you to register for an API key, and then do OAuth.
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cleverdevil was originally thinking of a Known plugin, but now I think a standalone service might make more sense.
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cleverdevil where you write your review at the service, and it posts it to a Micropub endpoint *and* Goodreads.
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tantek oh cool! can you add that to a new "API" section on https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads ?
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cleverdevil yah
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cleverdevil on it.
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cleverdevil.io edited /Goodreads (+154) (view diff)
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cleverdevil I suppose it could also work like the Facebook and Twitter syndication for Known
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cleverdevil where there is a plugin in Known that you install, and then OAuth with.
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cleverdevil and then the Book Review post type becomes available.
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cleverdevil this is much, much more complex than the Recipe plugin I did :/
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tantek !tell gRegorLove note: https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads#API_for_Goodreads - is it worth it to you to consider automating your POSSEing to Goodreads?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cleverdevil my PHP game is definitely not strong enough right now...
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tantek hey the h-recipe plugin was awesome
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cleverdevil I am pretty pleased with it :D
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cleverdevil I updated it to include photos too.
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tommorris today, I've been writing code to POSSE stuff from en.wikinews.org to facebook
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cleverdevil https://cleverdevil.io/2015/kentucky-maid-cocktail
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tommorris now, back to the less fun stuff - talking to bureaucrats about my driving license
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tommorris also cleverdevil, POSSE to Goodreads would be amazing
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tommorris a while back I looked at using the data from OpenLibrary
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cleverdevil tommorris: I agree... it would be fantastic.
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cleverdevil but, posting a review would require:
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cleverdevil 1. creating an API key and secret with Goodreads
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cleverdevil 2. OAuthing on behalf of the user
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cleverdevil 3. Searching for the book_id in Goodreads
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cleverdevil 4. Searching for the "shelf" in Goodreads
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cleverdevil so... its non-trivial.
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cleverdevil I could probably do this in Python over a weekend, but PHP? Not so much.
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cleverdevil :P
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tantek cleverdevil: could you add that very outline to a "Brainstorming" / "POSSE review" to /Goodreads ?
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tantek and could you add your h-recipe plugin to http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe#Implementations under "Generating"? Thank you!!
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cleverdevil sure sure/
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tantek and definitely add that sweet cocktail recipe to http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe#Examples_in_the_Wild !
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cleverdevil.io edited /Goodreads (+361) "/* API for Goodreads */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Goodreads (+92) "/* Brainstorming POSSE */ wiki formatting, what if goodreads is the copy" (view diff)
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cleverdevil donezo.
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@epersonae #Olympia webbies: let's kick off a Homebrew Website Club meetup! Start on 8/26 if venue is avail? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (cc @revoltpuppy) (twitter.com/_/status/634039210748481536)
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cleverdevil are there any IndieWeb folks in Southern California?
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cleverdevil would love to host a get together at the DreamHost offices.
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tantek there was an IndieWebCamp Hollywood a couple of years ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood
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@revoltpuppy RT @epersonae: #Olympia webbies: let's kick off a Homebrew Website Club meetup! Start on 8/26 if venue is avail? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (c… (twitter.com/_/status/634039961533091840)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (+92) "/* Blog posts */ adactio's post beforehand" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (-1) "/* Blog posts */ -cr" (view diff)
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[snarfed] cleverdevil, goodreads posse would be great! have you seen https://www.brid.gy/about#publish ? if you like python but you're reluctant about all the scaffolding you'd need to build for that kind of service, adding it to bridgy publish could be the ticket, since the scaffolding is all already there
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+195) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */ note stated plans for Edinburgh, Brighton, etc." (view diff)
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cleverdevil [snarfed]: cool idea.
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (-156) "Brighton unlikely per plan to do it monthly 2nd Wednesday as posted by adactio" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (+185) "Brighton likely per plan to do it monthly 2nd Wednesday as posted by adactio" (view diff)
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tantek cleverdevil++ thanks for documenting the API and POSSE brainstorming for Goodreads!
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Loqi cleverdevil has 2 karma
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cleverdevil \o/
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@bass4TheBeatDlz @TheIndieAuth @TheBeatDolls Thx IndieAuth! (twitter.com/_/status/634045318435225600)
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tantek !tell gRegorLove what do you think of a using a ♫ (musical note emoji) at the start of a "Jam" post as a "dumb" way to indicate that it's a jam? Note that /thisismyjam uses uses it before the permashortlink at the end of cross-posted tweets e.g. https://twitter.com/t_silos/status/633910221056933889
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek (though I suppose it could also be used for a /listen post - though those have the more passive "listened to..." text)
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LanceyWork what's the difference between a listen and a jam
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tantek.com edited /jam (+300) "brainstorming subheads, add Jam type indicator idea" (view diff)
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tantek what is a listen?
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets etc.) that you have listened to https://indiewebcamp.com/listen
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tantek what is a jam?
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Loqi jam is an active type of post used to share a song that you are recently enjoying https://indiewebcamp.com/jam
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tantek ok I like the way the leading musical note looks, I'm using it
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@RikMende do remember when people didn't had a clue about #RSS neither that it would become essential to the Web years later? same for #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/634048498980245504)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@revoltpuppy In light of This Is My Jam becoming archived, IndieWeb is beginning to fill the gap: http://indiewebcamp.com/jam (twitter.com/_/status/634050101221068800)
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tantek.com created /♫ (+17) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+1250) "add Markup and content brainstorming with ♫ prefix, how to determine using that, note that I'm trying it out on my own site, update emojicon for page, silo example This Is My Jam obv" (view diff)
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tantek just in time edit for that tweet :D
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KartikPrabhu https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.next.announce/avWAjISncfw
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KartikPrabhu "WorldWideWeb is a hypertext browser/editor which allows one to read information
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KartikPrabhu from local files and remote servers."
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tantek.com edited /posts (+7) "/* Kinds of Posts */ use music note emoji that thisismyjam uses" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp RT @RikMende: do remember when people didn't had a clue about #RSS neither that it would become essential to the Web years later? same for … (twitter.com/_/status/634051035124727808)
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KartikPrabhu cleverdevil: if you can write python maybe talk to snarfed about supporting POSSE to Goodreads in Bridgy? cc: kylewm
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KartikPrabhu oops snarfed already mentioned that
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KartikPrabhu is reading backlogs
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cleverdevil :)
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cleverdevil yeah, that said, I really like the idea of actually getting everything done from within the CMS.
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cleverdevil which means a Known plugin.
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tantek cleverdevil: indeed that is preferable, however a bridgy implementation may be both easier, and a good way to prove out the concept, pave a path that is for someone else to then more easily build a known plugin
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cleverdevil nods.
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tantek incrementalsteps++ :)
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Loqi incrementalsteps has 1 karma
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cleverdevil and, honestly, I could just start with a microformat-based approach.
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cleverdevil where I create a Known plugin that can at least craft reviews.
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cleverdevil and then go over to bridgy and enhance it to syndicate automatically to Goodreads, maybe.
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tantek true! you could start with an h-review plugin
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KartikPrabhu actually importing Goodreads into microformats files would be very neat. It has been on my itch for a long time
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cleverdevil makes a note.
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/h-review
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cleverdevil I can commit to that pretty easily, since its basically just an extension of what I've already done with h-recipe.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: like an export to backfill your data on your own site?
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cleverdevil that said, would it need to be a generic review?
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cleverdevil or a book-specific one?
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cleverdevil hmm.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: perhaps document a stub in an "Export" section on /Goodreads ?
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KartikPrabhu sure.
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tantek cleverdevil: might as well start with a generic review and if you like, default the "type" of item to "book"
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KartikPrabhu what is Goodreads
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Loqi Goodreads is a silo for keeping track of books, reviews, and reading progress https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads
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cleverdevil tantek: yeah, that's a good idea.
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tantek cleverdevil: you can do much better than this for example: http://microformats.org/code/hreview/creator :)
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cleverdevil OK, gotta run, but I'll very likely work on an h-review plugin for Known when I get a chance :D
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tantek awesome!
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KartikPrabhu err forgot my goodreads log in. it still has export reviews to file right?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: yes, https://www.goodreads.com/help#import_books
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KartikPrabhu ok good documenting
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snarfed e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/goodreads_to_list.py
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aaronpk just thought of a great reason not to use HSTS
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KartikPrabhu ooo you already have some export-ness, nice!
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aaronpk if you ever want to be able to drop your SSL cert (for example if you archive your site and want to stop renewing the SSL certificate)
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snarfed aaronpk: wow. true, but pretty unusual use case
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aaronpk kinda
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aaronpk i'm doing it right now
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snarfed which domain?
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aaronpk geoloqi.com
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snarfed aha
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aaronpk exporting it to HTML files and putting it on S3
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aaronpk but I cna't actually switch to that just yet until I let the https->http redirect sit around for a few months for google to update the index
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aaronpk cause there's going to be no SSL cert on S3
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kartikprabhu.com edited /Goodreads (+235) "export" (view diff)
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snarfed one workaround is to not include the includeSubDomains option in the HSTS header, and then when you archive and drop the cert, redirect to a new subdomain (e.g. archive.)
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snarfed hacky but works
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tantek aaronpk that's a really good observation for /longevity
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snarfed disappointing tradeoff
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aaronpk my goal is to leave the geoloqi.com site in a state where it will last a really long time, which means no web servers and no SSL
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aaronpk hm I should put a copy on github's hosting too
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snarfed we should get together with the http://longserver.org/ sometime for a joint hwc
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Loqi definitely
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tantek snarfed, sigh, their stylesheet doesn't load w/o CSS :/
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tantek ironically, not very longterm thinking :P
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KartikPrabhu you mean JS
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tantek yes that ;)
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KartikPrabhu gives tantek some coffee
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tantek drinks the coffee
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snarfed wonders how many good ideas we ignore because their sites use JS
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tantek snarfed, if they're truly good ideas, they'll get rediscovered without JS
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tantek and it's ok to ignore them because history is ignoring them. they're already forgotten by archive.org
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snarfed and therefore we should ignore them until then!
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tantek it's a useful filter
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tantek we already have plenty of good ideas to work on ;)
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KartikPrabhu as a single counter-example, the only marginalia implementations are JS-based
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tantek snarfed, heck, if you find such a js-dependent good idea, make a note of it, then 2 years after the site dies (length of short-term memory on the web), publish it WITHOUT needing JS :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the comments still show up right? just all in the footer?
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tantek looks for Longnow tweet re http://longserver.org/ to reply to
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KartikPrabhu at least in my implementation yes! don't know about joskar's implementation
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tantek none found
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tantek a-ha they are using client-side "LESS"
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tantek checks archive.org archive of longserver
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[snarfed] to be fair, requiring js for styling is a way lesser sin than requiring it for content
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tantek true!
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[snarfed] is a long now foundation apologist :P
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tantek but this is *Longnow* we're talking about. they can be held accountable for any lesser sin :P
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tantek is a long now "life member" so he holds them to a higher standard.
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tantek interesting, the current archive captures their js and LESS and does render it
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KevinMarks PESOS from goodreads to my site would be nice to nudge me to do a review, as goodreads is in the kindle
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tantek BTW I really like the #example.org hack
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tantek it autolinks differently for Twitter vs. auto_link :D
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tantek Twitter treats it as a hashtag for "example"
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tantek (and thus DOES NOT t.co it and waste tweet space)
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tantek whereas on my own site (and anywhere that uses cassis auto_link) the domain is autolinked without the hash
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KevinMarks neat, though would need a good domain name
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tantek KevinMarks nah, it works great for nearly all TLD / company domain names
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KevinMarks though #ttk is probably not bad for you; less noisy that @t
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KevinMarks I mean in terms of creating hashtag noise
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tantek or #tantek.com for that matter or #kevinmarks.com for that matter
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KevinMarks true, domains do have an existing uniqueness constraint that is handy
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KevinMarks if it's a subdomain will it autolink the next bit?
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snarfed i dunno, the #example.org UX for readers on twitter isn't great
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KevinMarks no, it doesn't (at least in web preview)
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snarfed kinda confusing that you're referring to a domain but it's rendered as hashtag
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tantek snarfed, I think the UX for that or say #longserver.org is "good enough" on twitter, which I think is a good bar for silos. since users have come to expect mere "good enough" treatment from silos.
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snarfed i get that point, but it still confuses me at least. not a big deal though
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KevinMarks hm https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/634064152256991232
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@kevinmarks @t testing #www.kevinmarks.com #kevinmarks.com #epeus.blogspot.com #known.kevinmarks.com (twitter.com/_/status/634064152256991232)
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tantek yup, KevinMarks good enough
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KevinMarks looks like loqi has different heuristic
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snarfed actually KevinMarks's tweet is a good example of my confusion, since the #www and #known hashtag links are totally unrelated to the domains
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tantek so it's not great for subdomains. got it.
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tantek Kevinmarks, no need for me to use it on #ttk, because just "ttk.me" is not auto-linked by twitter anyway (they don't autolink plain domains on ccTLDs)
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snarfed i expect it's often not great for domains either. e.g. https://twitter.com/hashtag/snarfed is unrelated to me :P
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tantek #ownyourhashtag snarfed :P
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tantek checks his hashtag
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snarfed yeah that's a pretty low priority :P
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snarfed lol at https://twitter.com/hashtag/tantek
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snarfed names are tough to own, i guess
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aaronpk I totally own mine https://twitter.com/hashtag/aaronpk
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tantek snarfed: lol even more at http://www.pestagram.com/tag/tantek
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tantek aaronpk even you lol http://www.pestagram.com/tag/aaronpk
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aaronpk those are about me!
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tantek the 2nd one?!?
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aaronpk yep! from my bday party in the park last year
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aaronpk oh nvm it's from april. but she's a friend of mine
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snarfed looking at https://twitter.com/aaronpk , most of your site links in your tweets are aaron.pk, which would mean you're https://twitter.com/hashtag/aaron
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snarfed …which is tough to own :P
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aaronpk ha
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tantek heh
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aaronpk good reason to start using aaronpk.com now that I finally got it
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tantek nice
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@indiewebcamp RT @revoltpuppy: In light of This Is My Jam becoming archived, IndieWeb is beginning to fill the gap: http://indiewebcamp.com/jam (twitter.com/_/status/634066903967899648)
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GWG Good afternoon
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tantek good morning GWG, I recall you being interested in conversations about books
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GWG tantek: Very. Brought me back to my library days.
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tantek GWG, do you use /Goodreads?
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[dariusdunlap] I’m looking forward to my copy of “Data and Goliath: The Hidden Battles to Collect Your Data and Control Your World” arriving tomorrow. (The latest by Bruce Schneier)
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[dariusdunlap] I have to read that quickly, because then "NeuroTribes: The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity” arrives on the 25th.
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GWG tantek: No. I used to use LibraryThing but fell off
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[dariusdunlap] Goodreads is cool. But that’s another area where I wish there was a good syndicated option.
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tantek what is LibraryThing?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/LibraryThing
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tantek dariusdunlap syndicated in what direction?
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tantek.com edited /LibraryThing (+98) "dfn more than just a URL :P, see also Goodreads" (view diff)
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Zegnat I have tried both LibraryThing and Goodreads, and neither stuck with me :/
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Zegnat I have a hard time mixing books with web, they are so essentially “physical” to me
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tantek GWG - perhaps add a bring note about your (that you said above) experience with LibraryThing to /LibraryThing ?
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tantek s/bring/brief
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Loqi tantek meant to say: GWG - perhaps add a brief note about your (that you said above) experience with LibraryThing to /LibraryThing ?
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[dariusdunlap] tanktek - In every direction. Thinking if I could post a book on my site, and see “friends” who are reading it or have it on their wishlist, or have read it and rated/reviewed it, etc. But all that living on everyone’s own sites…
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GWG I didn't consider using bookmark as a post type for a physical book until it was mentioned in here
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[dariusdunlap] Also, I often take extensive notes on books I read, including quotations and my own thoughts. Making all that useful is an interesting puzzle that I don’t think I’ve got sorted out.
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tantek.com edited /offline (+720) "add App examples / iOS / maps.me" (view diff)
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tantek dariusdunalp cool! perhaps add those "if I could" desires to an "Itches" section on https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dunlaps.net per /wikify!
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[dariusdunlap] Thanks, tantek. I’ll look at that. I’ve been meaning to work on my page here…
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GWG I may be able to resume working on my site soon, thanks to my new doctor
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GWG Wordpress is soliciting ideas for 4.4.
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aaronpk i think we might have a few
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GWG aaronpk: I just added improve Linkbacks presentation and endorsed better support for Custom Comment Types
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GWG What else would you suggest?
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aaronpk how about your proposed changes to microformats handling
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tantek GWG, see /friendly
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aaronpk weren't you working on something with that?
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tantek and frankly, position it as, hey Known is doing it and they're getting popular, so WordPress too just to keep up :P
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snarfed.org edited /User:Snarfed.org (+84) "granary, ownyourresponses, etc" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: They won't change the hentry issue.
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tantek s/too/should too
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Loqi tantek meant to say: and frankly, position it as, hey Known is doing it and they're getting popular, so WordPress should too just to keep up :P
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tantek GWG, can you talk them into s/hentry/hentry h-entry ?
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tantek similarly with vcard -> vcard + h-card ?
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GWG tantek: Going to try
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GWG I think the only way is to submit the changes myself.
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tantek GWG, maybe coordinate with snarfed, I have a feeling he may have a good idea as to how to word these requests / proposals for better chance of acceptance
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snarfed sadly i don't, sorry. never contributed to wp core
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tantek snarfed - was referring to your diplomatic intuition in general :)
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snarfed ah, heh. maybe!
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jonnybarnes hey everyone
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snarfed hey jonnybarnes
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@Covata @TsystemsDE and @Covata make the exchange of data via the Internet for business safer #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/634098860881772544)
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi your site seems unhappy
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aaronpk uhoh
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snarfed unexpected casualty of https://instagram.com/p/6k6GMbDcoK/ ?
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk yep
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snarfed doh
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snarfed glad you stopped instead of terminating :P
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aaronpk i terminated them shortly after :P
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snarfed doh doh
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[aaronpk] Temporary fix for now
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bear ironic site death notification by a site that was created to help with site shutdowns.... http://www.shutdownify.com/
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KevinMarks_ Is this Poe's law or a hoax?
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snarfed "It is a stinging irony that we now must use our own product to post this shutdown notice. Shutdownify's last meal is its own dog food."
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bear no idea if it's a hoax or not
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sparverius whois: Expires On August 19, 2016 Registered On August 19, 2015 Updated On August 19, 2015
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sparverius (that whois date is for shutdownify)
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bear yea, the timing of the whois info is making me think hoax - nice info nugget sparverius
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bear sparverius++
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Loqi sparverius has 7 karma
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jonnybarnes anyone here have ipv6? can you access jonnybarnes.uk?
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ben_thatmustbeme jonnybarnes: looked to work for me using WGET
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ben_thatmustbeme my home machine has ipv6
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jonnybarnes excellent :)
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ben_thatmustbeme and it was getting it from the ipv6 addy too
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ben_thatmustbeme Connecting to jonnybarnes.uk|2001:1af8:4100:a00e:4::1|:443... connected.
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jonnybarnes yup, thats my v6 add
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jonnybarnes v6 address space is stupid though, my host charges $2.50 a month per extra v4 address, gives you a v6 /64 subnet for free
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ben_thatmustbeme wow. thats kinda cool though
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ben_thatmustbeme but basically turns the 6 to a 5
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cleverdevil ipv6 ftw!
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jonnybarnes I think I have 2001:1af8:4100:a00e:4/64
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ben_thatmustbeme ipv6++
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Loqi ipv6 has 1 karma
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cleverdevil our compute cloud gives ipv6 to every single VM :)
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cleverdevil automatically!
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cleverdevil and its where I'm running Known (on an Ubuntu 14.04 VM)
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cleverdevil which reminds me, I really need to add a AAAA record for the IP address :)
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tommorris jonnybarnes: works for me, and ping6/traceroute6 works too. :)
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jonnybarnes thanks tommorris
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tommorris alas, tommorris.org isn't being served on ipv6 because I'm lazy
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jonnybarnes my host has ipv6 so I've st it up, but my home connection doesn't have v6 so I cant test :(
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tommorris opposite for me.
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tommorris though I may end up switching to an ISP that doesn't support v6
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jonnybarnes which isp do you use?
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tommorris Andrews & Arnold
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tommorris but London DSL is craptastic so I might switch to Relish, which is basically "4G for homes", but they don't seem to do static IPs and probably struggle with IPv6, because it's not like we've had nearly 20 years to get used to the idea of IPv6
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snarfed ipv6++
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snarfed ipv6—
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snarfed ipv6--
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tantek oh hey gRegorLove
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tantek would appreciate your review of all the additions / brainstorms in particular for jams, since you and I appear to be the only two posting indie jams for now: https://indiewebcamp.com/jam#Brainstorming
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tantek hmm - I have no idea which IndieWebCamp the top section of notes on this Etherpad are from https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indieauth
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tantek aaronpk: any idea ^^^?
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk a while ago i think
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aaronpk revision history says march 2014
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tantek maybe SF
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aaronpk so SF I believe?
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF/Schedule (-64) "/* Friday, March 7, 2014 */ IndieAuth session archived from etherpad" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /RSS (+181) "add Praise section with Brent Simmons article" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hi tantek o/
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Loqi gRegorLove: KevinMarks left you a message on 8/19 at 12:26am: I made pestagram use the 640x640 image as thats dinky on my phone anyway http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-19/line/1439969171002
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 56 minutes ago: note: https://indiewebcamp.com/Goodreads#API_for_Goodreads - is it worth it to you to consider automating your POSSEing to Goodreads? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-19/line/1440000894795
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 15 minutes ago: what do you think of a using a ♫ (musical note emoji) at the start of a "Jam" post as a "dumb" way to indicate that it's a jam? Note that /thisismyjam uses uses it before the permashortlink at the end of cross-posted tweets e.g. https://twitter.com/t_silos/status/633910221056933889 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-19/line/1440003390702
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gRegorLove Whoa
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gRegorLove More messages than I've received in a while
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gRegorLove sees "Oauth" re: Goodreads API "Nah, that's a pretty low priority for me" :)
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colintedford tantek: I haven't been calling them "jams" or used "This Is My Jam", but http://colintedford.com/tag/music
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: pestagram looking great in Woodwind. Thanks!
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gRegorLove KevinMarks++
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colintedford ben_thatmustbeme: I'd love to see your unified messaging project documented on your user page! I linked to the 2015 Cambridge session from /messaging .
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tantek colintedford: since "music" could mean what you've listened to passively, or something else, we've been using the more specific terms like /listen and now /jam
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colintedford Sure, I'm just saying I've been using the suggested format for the suggested purpose for a while.
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colintedford So, neat!
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colintedford tantek ^
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tantek right! looks like nearly all your "music" posts are "jams" and you came to the same conclusion of text format independently!
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tantek or rather, you've been doing it longer, so we all did ;)
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tantek did you use This Is My Jam at all?
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colintedford Yeah! Looking through today's log's I was like "Wha--- :D"
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colintedford Nope
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colintedford I've seen you mention it
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colintedford I think i looked at the site once
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colintedford But not closely enough to realize they were using a format like that
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tantek this looks like your first "jam" http://colintedford.com/2014/06/20.1429-friday-music-getaway/
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tantek early enough to be first ;)
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gRegorLove tantek: no strong preference. musical note sounds fine.
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colintedford tantek: looks like it! Though I actually started using the format later than that and ported it back to older music link posts.
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colintedford Hm, maybe not, though -- I think I did start doing it last year.
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tantek yeah I started using the format today and updated my old jam accordingly
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colintedford checking personal log for notes...
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GWG sighs
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tantek what's up GWG?
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tantek what is soundcloud?
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Loqi SoundCloud is a silo for hosting/sharing/commenting on sounds and music https://indiewebcamp.com/SoundCloud
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gRegorLove Fresh example: http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/revisiting-imogen-heaps-speak/
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colintedford nothing in log; twitter says first one was not later than 2015-01-15. checking fb...
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tantek gRegorLove: but not syndicated to /thisismyjam?
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tantek I'll let you add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/jam#Gregor_Morrill :)
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gRegorLove Nope. Not syndicating to Myspace either. :)
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GWG tantek: The usual.
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gRegorLove I never really built up a network of people on /thisismyjam so got very little interaction. Don't see the purpose since they're going read-only.
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colintedford tantek: the earliest jam -originally-formatted-as-such I can find is http://colintedford.com/2014/10/10.1155-october-is-time-for-ghostly-tunes-this-on/
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gRegorLove Heh, Myspace has changed a ton, obviously, but interesting they still have the "top 8" on the right side.
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colintedford Earlier ones were hand-POSSEd to FB w/out musical note
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colintedford I might have just not copied the note (I recall some indecision), but can't say for sure
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colintedford Could check Wordpress post revisions, but too lazy :)
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colintedford !tell ben_thatmustbeme: I'd love to see your unified messaging project documented on your user page! I linked to the 2015 Cambridge session from /messaging .
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek gRegorLove: I suppose the point of posting knowing they're going read-only is to control what it looks like when it freezes
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colintedford How do I find the permalink for a facebook post? I thought I'd done it before but can't find it now. Date isn't linked.
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colintedford & why is fb resetting my scroll back to the top?! D:<
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snarfed colintedford: huh? date should be linked
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colintedford snarfed: that's what I thought!
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colintedford but hang on, i just noticed I didn't enable js for one of their domains
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colintedford nope, that didn't fix it
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colintedford but dates on comments are linked
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snarfed ah, that'll do it. just remove ?comment_id=...
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colintedford of course, the post i want the link for doesn't have any comments
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colintedford )X
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Loqi gives colintedford the link for doesn
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snarfed colintedford: fb post urls are generally facebook.com/USERNAME/posts/POSTID
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colintedford not helpful, but thanks anyway loqi -- you're alright
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snarfed you can find the post id from https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer , among other places
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Loqi you're welcome
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snarfed or just comment on it yourself :P
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colintedford oh ha, good idea(s) :D
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colintedford snarfed++ thanks!
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Loqi snarfed has 132 karma
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colintedford oh hey, the dates are linked now that i'm logged in
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colintedford thanks, facebook
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colintedford scrollin' & loadin' ... >:/
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KartikPrabhu anyone else get the "error box" on this link?
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KartikPrabhu https://the-pastry-box-project.net/eileen-webb/2015-august-19
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KartikPrabhu some JS error but if you close the box you can still read the post. strange anti-pattern to hide content and display error box
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colintedford !tell elf-pavlik, aaronpk, voxpelli, Vendan: Did any of the issue-tracker brainstorming starting at http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-17#t1431887181504 get into the wiki? I didn't see anything in search for "issue tracker", there' no "issue" page (& search results are of course noisy); nothing linked from /Github .
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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colintedford tantek++ thanks for filing me in /jam!
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colintedford oof, i should go eat
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snarfed this is hilarious. we should make an indieweb channel. https://www.livecoding.tv/
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gRegorLove snarfed: Bridgy Live! :)
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snarfed dear god no