#indiewebcamp 2015-08-27

2015-08-27 UTC
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GWG
Evening
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tantek
Evening GWG
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GWG
It's Wednesday
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GWG
Any exciting HWC things?
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Loqi
[mention] Julien Genestoux liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/FANIza6BbyoSAUwAXMPkFw
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[kevinmarks]
Nearly at the Creamery.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I've been working on flickr integration with brid.gy - bridgy pulls content from socal sites and feeds it back to you
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: micropub is the other direction from webmention - it's an api for posting to a blogging site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: https://silo.pub/ bridges from the micropub api to wordpress, tumblr, blogger and now twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I want to use my site as a tool for myself and to publish for other people
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I use a tool called arena - it's like a research based pinterest and I have a collection of animals
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I would like one of the things I post on my site is these kinds of collections - I'd like to dogfood it that way
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: dogfooding is when you build somthing you should use it for a real task yourself to make sure it is useful
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I'm not sure how to build it - I am using the arena site to post ti to as well
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: that's what we call POSSE- you post on your own site but bring back the community stuff to your own site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: you need to decide whether you want to post your site first and then send it versus bring it back the other way
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm thinking about slack integrations and what aaronpk was saying about replacing irc with webmentions
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: other than constantly fixing facebook bugs in bridgy, I've been trying to rad more things in af eed reader
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: other than constantly fixing facebook bugs in bridgy, I've been trying to rad more things in af eed r…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: facebook is now making it so that you can't read your news feed through the api any more, so I had to workaround
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: facebook is now making it so that you can't read your news feed through the api any more, so I had to…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I also updated http://pestagram.com to have full size images and videos in as well, so you can subscribe to them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I want to encourage people to author more raw html rather than waiting to tool up to make an indie event etc
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I manually posse'd a post to buzzfeed and their editor is interesting as it has a series of blocks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we kind of went astray with explicit post types - to decide what you are making
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: we could separate the authoring of special types from the posting using micropub
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GWG
KevinMarks: As the narrator, I need more data on this last explicit post types/micropub line of conversation
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I found a repost of this event before I found the original one, but it worked
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KevinMarks
we can go into it in irc later
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: designers don't always post their past work, or have it viewable - I want things to be viewable
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aaronpk
interesting idea from anomalily tonight, of creating an "indieweb friendly" badge and reaching out to indieweb-friendly products and services and seeing if they want to add the badge to their websites
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aaronpk
specific example being the wordpress plugin she uses to pesos instagram photos to her website
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: aaron has a tool spiderpig for archiving sites so they can be statically served to preserve design choices too
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @roombaghost: I have a project called living aggregator that uses kimono to redisplay he content in a way the original design
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aaronparecki.com
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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mblaney
yay I got POSSEing to twitter working today!
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mblaney
that made my day. bridgy++
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mblaney
bridgy++?
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Loqi
bridgy has 22 karma
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@putrasembada08
Terima Kasih kpd @Indiewebhost yg tlah menjadi official partner dlm mnyediakan kperluan website kami. Sukses selalu! http://indieweb.biz
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KartikPrabhu
mblaney: karma (++) is supposed to be the first thing :)
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kylewm
!tell KevinMarks the experience for woodwind -> silopub+twitter should be much better now, it checks for syndication links if you reply to an indieweb post, or if not it just prepends the reply with "Re: url,..."
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
!tell KevinMarks same deal with likes and reposts!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
KevinMarks: kylewm left you a message 24 seconds ago: the experience for woodwind -> silopub+twitter should be much better now, it checks for syndication links if you reply to an indieweb post, or if not it just prepends the reply with "Re: url,..." http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440654044838
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Loqi
KevinMarks: kylewm left you a message 12 seconds ago: same deal with likes and reposts! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440654059657
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kylewm
thank you for pointing out that that was needed :)
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KevinMarks
I think we're really close to subsuming twitter in the reader/comment/mention loop
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mblaney
KartikPrabhu++ thanks :-)
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 114 karma
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KartikPrabhu
there we go!
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mblaney
looking through the indiemark list, I think I'll look into webactions next.
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kyle Mahan replied '@aaronpk It might be kinda fun to make chart the most recent photo from each meetup on a google map' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/636774676144873473)
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mblaney
oh, no I'm not. webactions is for wrapping 3rdparty sharing buttons but I don't have any on my site.
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mblaney
I guess I'll look at posting replies then.
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[kevinmarks]
not exactly
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[kevinmarks]
3rd party buttons are the fallback for webactions
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mblaney
oh ok. thanks kevinmarks. so I should still consider adding webactions even if I don't want to add 3rdparty fallback?
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tantek
mblaney: yes - definitely consider adding webactions even if you don't want to add any fallbacks.
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tantek
fallbacks are most useful for the primary place you POSSE to (if you do at all). If you're not POSSEing anywhere, then fallbacks are less interesting. There's potential to use Twitter as a place for people to leave comments if they don't have their own site, but that's about it.
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mblaney
and have a better idea what they are now, thanks.
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tantek
great! glad that was helpful.
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tantek
mblaney: also consider adding yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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mblaney
ok I still need to get my head around where webactions go if they don't go to twitter.
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tantek
they go to others' sites!
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mblaney
ok will do.
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mblaney
yeah that bit still seems a bit magic :-)
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tantek
(or including your own - you can reply to your own posts after all)
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tantek
indeed - that magic was figured out by voxpelli - see /indie-config for more on that
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mblaney
aah I was wondering if I need to look into indie-config next.
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mblaney
this is quite a world of inter-connected parts you have all built :-)
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KartikPrabhu
inter-connected-parts++
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Loqi
inter-connected-parts has 1 karma
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tantek
inter-connected-parts++
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Loqi
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mblaney
I'm not seeing the connection between indie-action web components, and the ability to register a protocol handler.
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mblaney
does 'web+action' have special meaning?
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mblaney
I'll keep looking into it, but if anyone wants to help me along that would be great :-)
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tantek
mblaney - it has special meaning only in that we chose to use it and make it meaningful
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voxpelli
Not sure what you're not sure about :)
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tantek
it is made up purely for the use in indie-actions
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tantek
s/indie-actions/indie-config
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: it is made up purely for the use in indie-config
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mblaney
I'm wondering how 'web+action' and <indie-action> are related.
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voxpelli
One is a way to figure out what the preferred action of the other should be
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mblaney
the missing link for me is the browser pops up a dialog to associate the two things together.
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tantek
mblaney or a drop-down "door hanger" from below the toolbar/addressbar
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tantek
which BTW should happen for you on your own site only
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tantek
and that's so that you can click on web action buttons on other sites, and have them trigger the web action endpoints on *your* site so you can reply/like/repost from your site.
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mblaney
great, thanks. I think it will make more sense when I give it a go.
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loqi.me
created /progressive_enhancement (+335) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek.com
edited /progressive_enhancement (+339) "articles, including tommorris, see also"
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tantek
!tell adactio did you take / could you post a photo from last night's HWC Brighton?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
catches up on the logs
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mblaney
it looks like I have to move my page for it to match the IRC list.
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pfefferle
good morning all
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tantek
mblaney: I think you needed to do vice versa
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tantek
note that http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Unicyclic.com_mal&redirect=no at the bottom has a "User contributions" link, where as the one you just moved to with the "/" does not.
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mblaney
sorry I don't understand what that means?
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tantek
look at the bottom of the page, in the footer in one case there is a "User contributions" link, in the other case there isn't
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tantek
the page with the "User contributions" link is your *real* user page, and should not be moved
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mblaney
ok oops. (reverted)
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tantek
hmm - not sure why the logs aren't linking to your site
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tantek
aaronpk: check https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-27 - I'm seeing "mblaney" unlinked despite an entry in /irc-people
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mblaney
yeah was just going to ask for help, thanks.
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Jeena
I wonder how did it go with the first HWC yesterday in Malmoe?
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vanderven.se martijn
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Zegnat
Jeena, did I get all the names right on https://indiewebcamp.com/File:hwcgot2.jpg ?
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@GiantFoxStudios
All castles have been built from a stone. This is our webpage from 0 and learning through. #webdev #indieweb #gameweb https://twitter.com/GiantFoxStudios/status/636887313088401408/photo/1
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@nxD4n
@diplix wie, in einem Silo chatten? das geht ja wohl mal garnicht #indieweb #posse wenn dann nur auf deinem eigenen xmpp server.
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@diplix
@nxD4n oder vielleicht sollten wir für jeden gescheiterten webmention ein issue bei github aufmachen?
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kodfabrik.se
uploaded /File:2015-08-26-hwc-malmo.jpg "Photo taken by {{voxpelli}} at Homebrew Website Club in Malmö (Sweden) on 2015-08-26."
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kodfabrik.se
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voxpelli
I will have to add it to my site a bit later :P My micropub broke and adding photos is easier through Quill than to do it manually
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@quach2
#challenge #OwnYourData #TEDxAA #elementaryStatistics #concentrationInTimeDependentDataAnalysis #ShowMeTheData https://twitter.com/tedtalks/status/636862975115177984
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GWG
So, can someone tell me about this conversation at HWC last night re Micropub and explicit post types?
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@dentonjacobs
So close to getting my site changes wrapped up. Nearly done with #indieweb conversion, but I really need to make posting easier.
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kylewm
GWG: sure, we had a new person who was talking about wanting to create collection-type posts, with photos and quotes and stuff collected from different places, and snarfed mentioned that many in IWC took a bit of a detour into explicit post types (note,reply, photo, etc.) that didn't really pan out becuase sometimes you want to post a photo as a reply, or sometimes you want to post a quotation with commentary
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@dentonjacobs
So close to getting my site changes wrapped up. Nearly done with #indieweb conversion, but I really need to make posting easier.
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kylewm
sometimes wonder if we should encourage so many people to require https for their site... when they stop paying attention and their certificate expires, it's almost as bad as an expired domain
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tantek
kylewm: yes it hurts maintainability, longevity
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tantek
isn't that only a problem for HSTS?
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tantek
or is it any cert?
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tantek
I wonder if there is a way to put in an auto-time-out for your https support so that if you don't touch it, and the cert expires, it automatically reverts to http-only on that day
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tantek
that way either you renew your cert (and update the time-out date)
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tantek
or if you forget or neglect the cert, then your site automatically switches to http when the cert expires
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kylewm
yeah for non HSTS, you can add an exception
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kylewm
but i can't right now add an exception to Woodwind
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tantek
but even seeing those warning dialogs is bad
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tantek
hence I'm suggesting this as an ALTERNATIVE to HSTS
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kylewm
yeah, I think it's a good idea!
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tantek
hmm - how to capture this
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Zegnat
mod_rewrite has time based variables, I believe. So you should be able to set-up your redirects in such a way that it redirects differently after the cert expires.
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Zegnat
I would guess most people are already using mod_rewrite to forward people from non-SSL URLs to the SSL versions already, just needs the extra RewriteCond
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tantek
yes that would be a good way to "automatically" do it
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GWG
kylewm: Thank you
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kylewm
now we have to gameify it so people will actually implement it :P https level 6 = on expiration fallback to http
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Zegnat
Although, now that I am thinking about it, will it even work? Will the redirect reach the browser first, or will the expired certificate come first and throw an error?
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kylewm
Zegnat: yeah you probably won't be able to redirect from https -> http, but you could at least stop redirecting from http -> https
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rMdes
let's hope LetsEncrypt will take of this problematic of renewable SSL cert
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rMdes
from their last video presentation at CCCamp this year, it seems it will be able to do just that fine
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rhiaro
tantek: can you change the topic to Edinburgh please?
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rhiaro
oh wait Edinburgh is there, my client was hiding it
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kylewm
does anyone know if it's possible to exclude a repository from your GitHub contributions graph?
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tantek
rhiaro: done
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rhiaro
thanks
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tbrb
arrives early for HWC Edinburgh
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tbrb
tonight's personal goals are to support sending webmentions, and have website markup for in-reply-to, like-of and repost-of
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
yay!
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tantek
did HWC Edi start?
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GWG
tantek, you still on European time?
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tbrb
tantek: officially starts in ~ 25 minutes
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tantek
tbrb awesome
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aaronpk
so much nicer catching up on IRC logs on the website than in my IRC client
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tantek.com
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GWG
Does anyone set an explicit type based on implied types?
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tantek
GWG - what do you mean by "set" ?
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GWG
I have a field that declares the type for a post.
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GWG
The display behavior is partially determined by it
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GWG
I would consider it an explicit declaration of type
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro: if I'm HWCing remote, do I just sit on IRC?
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rhiaro
!tell _fran: whatever illness is keeping you from hwc I think you transmitted to me over irc
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
rhiaro: is HWC Edi a go?
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rhiaro
Kongaloosh: talky.io/hwcedi
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GWG
I've been doing a rewrite of my Post Kinds plugin and one of the things that I added was some code to set based on incoming Micropub properties. That is implied to explicit
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tbrb
tantek: HWC Edi is go
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tbrb
waves at Kongaloosh
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Kongaloosh
tbrb: \o
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rhiaro
We have Geng, tbrb and kitb so far. And kongaloosh remote
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Kongaloosh
Intercontinental HWC
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snarfed
GWG: ideally you'd just always run the implicit post type algorithm to derive it from the content and other metadata. if you have to store that somewhere, so be it, but you need to remember to update it whenever the post is edited
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KevinMarks
GWG the other thing that set us off talking about post types etc was me manually POSSEing to buzzfeed
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@t
24h Homebrew Website Club: Malmö, Götenborg, Brighton, SF, Portland done; now in Edinburgh: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cu3)
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KevinMarks
which mean recreating a post in their editor, as they consider a post as a sequence of blocks
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legion.ddns.info
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KevinMarks
a block can be a paragraph, an image, a video etc
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KevinMarks
which was interesting compared to the Known UI or the Quill/medium one, where this is much less explicit
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davidpeach
evenin' all
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@t
24h Homebrew Website Club: Malmö, Göteborg, Brighton, SF, Portland done; now on in Edinburgh https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cu3)
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tantek
early enough in the morning Pacific time to delete POSSE tweet and re POSSE - virtual POSSE CRUD update
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rhiaro
camerongray and moredhel you are bad a time
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rhiaro
s/a/at
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Loqi
rhiaro meant to say: catmerongraty atnd moredhel you atre batd at time
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camerongray
Door lockrd
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camerongray
tbrb: let me in please
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rhiaro
tbrb en route
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camerongray
At side door
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rhiaro
if anyone else wants to remote in to HWC Edinburgh, talky.io/hwcedi
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@kevinmarks
‘“The PHP bits were kinda hard. But we found a lot of stuff on Google,” she confides.’ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/the_raspberry_pi_is_succeeding_in_ways_its_makers_ialmosti_imagined/ #indieweb
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moredhel
Haha, regex
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moredhel
But yes, I am pretty crap at it
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tantek
has to go eat something
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jonnybarnes
when is hwcedi?
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rhiaro
jonnybarnes: now!
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KevinMarks
hm, how do we tell this chap to use ut- instead of u- for utility ?
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jonnybarnes
oh, you seem to need a webcam to use talky at all :(
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rhiaro
Since last week...
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rhiaro
tbrb started serving turtle for his blog posts, introduced paging
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rhiaro
... plans to introduce chronological ordering too
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rhiaro
... added support for fenced code blocks
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rhiaro
rhiaro: updated /where including note on homepage about where I am now, next event and last checkin
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rhiaro
kitb hasn't done anything
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rhiaro
camerongray found bugs, didn't fix them
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rhiaro
... will fix today. Django's url validator doesn't support new tlds properly
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rhiaro
geng: problems with meteor nodejs framework
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rhiaro
... Tried to make a game using meteor's realtime functionality
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rhiaro
kongaloosh: what have you done on your site since last week?
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro: I've added linear navigation
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Kongaloosh
but it's mostly been just tightening things up
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rhiaro
And what'll you do today?
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Kongaloosh
refactoring
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rhiaro
moredhel arrives!
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Kongaloosh
i did linear nav today
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rhiaro
kongaloosh hamish is waving at you
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Kongaloosh
I'm going to be doing some ux/ui
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rhiaro
moredhel is trying to deply a lisp website
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Kongaloosh
and I'll be fixing my manky mf2 setup
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Kongaloosh
which is evidently wrong.
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Kongaloosh
rhiaro,tbrb,moredhel: what's everyone's site?
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Kongaloosh
I wanna add them to woodwind!
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tbrb
harryreeder.co.uk
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moredhel
haven't set it up yet, still struggling
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tbrb
Woodwind?
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tbrb
What is woodwind?
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Loqi
Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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tbrb
Thanks Loqi <3
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Loqi
you're welcome
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KevinMarks
BTW, now silo.pub supports twitter, you can sign up for woodwind with a twitter account
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KevinMarks
and reply, like and retweet the feed into twitter, which is kind of fun
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rhiaro
hwc edi group photo achieved
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Kongaloosh
I thought I was looking at the ceiling for a moment
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Kongaloosh
and then I realized there was a person on a balcony
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Kongaloosh
feels included
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KevinMarks
except silo.pub is down today :(
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GWG
Do we have a.. You might want to follow Indiewebcamp list?
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aaronpk
oh noes what happened to silo.pub?
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jonnybarnes
i was about to say
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jonnybarnes
I’m getting internal server error
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KevinMarks
kylewm: did that hsts thing happen to silo.pub?
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aaronpk
ssl cert looks fine it's just internal server error
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kylewm
I just messed up the deploy
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kylewm
it's up now, sorry
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Kongaloosh
oh, camerongray is here!
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snarfed
human error, the cause of most outages :P
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rhiaro.co.uk
uploaded /File:150827_hwc_edi_group.jpg "HWC Edinburgh group photo"
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Loqi
rhiaro has 154 karma
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kylewm
cool photo from edinburgh!
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KevinMarks
ooh, I have 3 images uploaded to svgur.com not by me now
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KevinMarks
I should finish the 'mung to png' code
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Loqi
agreed.
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Kongaloosh
back in prosthetics lab; ran out of battery.
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rhiaro
Kongaloosh: we were theorising about what might have happened to canada
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KevinMarks
odd, woodwind is saying amy's posts are from 14 days ago
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KevinMarks
oh wait, that post si 2 weeks old. so it's not seeing new posts
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rhiaro
Uhoh what have I messed up
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KevinMarks
maybe mf2util isn't finding the entries?
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Kongaloosh
Herm, I can't get the webmention.io mention-counter to work :S
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Kongaloosh
I bet I need to add an access token parameter
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aaronpk
Kongaloosh: i can make your account public too, then you won't need an acces token
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Kongaloosh
ohp, that would be great!
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aaronpk
what's your domain?
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Kongaloosh
kongaloosh.com
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aaronpk
hm it is already public
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Kongaloosh
oh, then I must be doing something odd.
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aaronpk
oh i see there are two... one on your account and another on the "pingback" account which was probably mis-copied from an example
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Kongaloosh
that's probably the case.
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Kongaloosh
lemmie check this out
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Kongaloosh
I think I know what's causing this.
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@kevinmarks
@t who else is in Seattle and interested in #indieweb?
(twitter.com/_/status/636966290842750976)
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KevinMarks
hm, that didn't reply the way I expected
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@jimpick
RT @kevinmarks: @t who else is in Seattle and interested in #indieweb?
(twitter.com/_/status/636966612365475840)
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Kongaloosh
hmm, so I used the example
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Kongaloosh
like this: <span data-indieweb-comment-count="" data-url="http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/26/im-a-bit-stumped-right-now-im-trying-to-figure-out-what-to-work-on-next-for-my-site"></span>
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kylewm
KevinMarks: was that reply from silopub?
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KevinMarks
did you change something rhiaro ?
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KevinMarks
kylewm: I replied to http://tantek.com/2015/238/t2/add-seattle-homebrew-website-club in woodwind logged in wiht silo.pub
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rhiaro
KevinMarks: I don't think I did since last time it worked in woodwind
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rhiaro
Not templates
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@t who else is in Seattle and interested in #indieweb?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/636966290842750976)
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aaronpk
Kongaloosh: looks like the data-url value has to be just the path
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KevinMarks
oh, that did work as a reply
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KevinMarks
sorry kyle
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aaronpk
nvm the js handle that
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kylewm
KevinMarks: rhiaro: it was my fault, not yours ... choking on a encoding issue ... related question, does anybody have a guess why python's SMTPHandler for sending crash reports over email doesn't work from the task queue??
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aaronpk
kylewm: if my research into GAE yesterday is any indication (which it's probably not) it's that the network stack is super limited
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kylewm
oh not GAE
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kylewm
(don't get me started on python-requests and GAE)
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kylewm
yeah, still researching how to fix...
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aaronpk
Kongaloosh: oh... the example is wrong
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kylewm
i think it's doing that obnoxious thing where it converts b'blah\nblah\nblah' to "b'blah\nblah\nblah'"
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Kongaloosh
aaronpk: ! I got it
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Kongaloosh
I forgot to add an attribute
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aaronpk
updated the example code on the home page
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Kongaloosh
cool, thanks!
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Kongaloosh
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 945 karma
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KevinMarks
aaronpk: snarfed said to add a credit card to GAE to enable requests
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kylewm
rhiaro: is it intentional that you have "h-card p-url" sometimes?
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rhiaro
Maybe.. Maybe that's leftover from when I dumped URLs for people and didn't have names stored
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rhiaro
Is that causing a problem?
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kylewm
not really, i'm just not handling it properly, didn't expect to have a {} value for a url
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kylewm
i finally figured out why i wasn't getting error reports, now i am expecting a lot more emails :p
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KevinMarks
hm, now I'm getting failure when I try to post tot twitter from woodwind
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KevinMarks
kylewm++ for putting up with me breaking things by wiring them together
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Loqi
kylewm has 224 karma
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kylewm
KevinMarks++ nonono, thank you for testing!
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 155 karma
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kylewm
ok silo.pub errors should be fixed now too...
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[snarfed]
kylewm++
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KevinMarks++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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@AlexKKearney
I added a nice little counter at the corner of each post on my stream for replies and mentions. #indieweb #hwc http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/27/i-added-a-nice-little-counter-at-the-corner-of-each-post-on-my-stream
(twitter.com/_/status/636978272417415168)
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davidpeach
could I get an impartial opinion on my reply context display please? been messing with it for two days. http://davidpea.ch/notes/1508
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Kongaloosh
davidpeach: what about it?
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davidpeach
just first impression really. Got two icon arrows and not sure about. Also just wanna make sure it's obvious what is the reply and which is context - sorry for the vagueness.
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Kongaloosh
I thought the two icons was a bit too much
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KevinMarks
so, silo.pub doesn't send webmentions for the tweets/blogposts it makes?
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Kongaloosh
instead I'd push the post your's is in response to a little to the right
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Kongaloosh
like an indentation
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Kongaloosh
and maybe remove the response arrow on the bottom
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davidpeach
ahh oki. thanks man, appreciate it
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Kongaloosh
with shading and slight background differences.
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davidpeach
oh okay nice
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Kongaloosh
aaaaand I broke my webmentioner. . .
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kylewm
KevinMarks: no it doesnt' send webmentions yet
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kylewm
wow IFTTT finallysupports webhooks!!?
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myfreeweb
wow IFTTT is still alive? :)
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kylewm
i honestly never thought that would happen
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[snarfed]
wow that is big news
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[snarfed]
could open up a bunch of lightweight automation for indieweb uses
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unrelenting.technology
edited /User:Unrelenting.technology (+122) "/* Projects */ add indieweb-algorithms"
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[snarfed]
btw KevinMarks kylewm if you sign a blog up for bridgy-for-blogs, it'll send wms when you post via silo.pub... but you already knew that :P
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snarfed
...ooh that actually makes me think of an interesting new bridgy feature idea: send outbound webmentions for silo posts
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snarfed
(and render them as mf2 like usual so that recipients can parse them)
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KevinMarks
right, but I can't sign a twitter account up for bridgy for blogs, can I?
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snarfed
right, that combo only works for blogger, wp.com, and tumblr
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snarfed
for twitter, you'd need this new feature
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unrelenting.technology
edited /Haskell (+764) "add examples and libraries"
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Kongaloosh
I just realized
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Kongaloosh
that I left chat up
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks
can I construct a brid.gy url for an arbitray tweet, or only one you have seen?
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snarfed
if you want silo-to-mf2 outside of bridgy, you can also construct https://granary-demo.appspot.com/ urls that do the same thing
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snarfed
they include oauth tokens as query params though so not public appropriate
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Kongaloosh
gooooodbye hwc edi
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kylewm
note that if you construct a bridgy URL for an arbitrary tweet that bridgy hasn't seen before, it will not run the posse-post-discovery
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KevinMarks
that's fine in this case
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KevinMarks
in fact that's how I can fix the issue 51 problem
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KevinMarks
where bridgy thought my tweet was a posse copy of that page
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snarfed
fix it how?
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KevinMarks
the top reply at http://svgur.com/s/1c was suppressed by issue-51
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KevinMarks
but I can add it in
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snarfed
yes you can send a wm manually
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snarfed
and that raises a good point re the new feature: we'd need to omit links to your own domain(s)
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KevinMarks
not necessarily
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snarfed
either that or actually figure out issue 51 X(
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KevinMarks
figure out 51 is my choice
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snarfed
ooh are you volunteering? :P
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KevinMarks
you're nerdsniping me into running my own bridgy instance?
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snarfed
oh god no, just into wading through all the tradeoffs in trying to solve #51 and figuring out the best answer
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snarfed
for example, the 24h heuristic wouldn't work for that tweet of yours, since it was at roughly the same time as the svgur.com post
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snarfed
nor would the other leading heuristic there - only consider links to the author's domain(s) - since svgur.com is one of your domains :P
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KevinMarks
maybe it's a differnt framing
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snarfed
hence why i've avoided that issue like the plague!
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snarfed
sure! humans can definitely use framing etc tell the difference. i just don't know if we've found an algorithm for that yet
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KevinMarks
the reason we don't want to send a POSSE copy is that it looks like you double-posted
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KevinMarks
so maybe the answer is more about edit distance
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KevinMarks
thing is, I do want debcha's reply on that post
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KevinMarks
but I wanted my tweet too, as it has info that isn't in the source
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snarfed
not sure about edit distance though. e.g i often posse full articles to twitter with custom teaser quotes
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KevinMarks
again, I don't think that is a bad thing to send as a webmention
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KevinMarks
I do that a lot too
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snarfed
yeah maybe so
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KevinMarks
it may be that it's only in the case where the tweet and the source post are the same
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snarfed
so maybe they're two separate heuristics. 1) should we backfeed the "original" silo post, 2) should we backfeed responses
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KevinMarks
in the same way we do note detection (is the title ~= body) do note POSSE detection
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snarfed
possed notes that have a small suffix elided are a tough case then
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snarfed
maybe we just use a comparison threshold
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KevinMarks
right - some kind of similarity ratio
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snarfed
i'm still not excited about actually implementing this, but i agree this is a reasonable heuristic
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snarfed
that's progress!
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snarfed
so that's the heuristic for 1). how about 2)?
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snarfed
do we just always backfeed responses to any backlink to one of your domains?
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KevinMarks
how do you currently decide not to?
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KevinMarks
in other words, what are you trying to prevent?
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snarfed
say, when you mention one of your posts in a conversation, but the conversation isn't really about that post
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snarfed
finding an example
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KevinMarks
right, but sending your sunglasses comment without maxogden's is what makes it odd
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KevinMarks
if you's sent the whole thread, that would have made sense, but partially suppressing them is what makes it a non sequitur
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snarfed
i guess, yeah
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snarfed
right, ok, makes sense
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snarfed
the edit distance thing is going to be hard
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snarfed
e.g. this post https://snarfed.org/2015-08-26_15313 is basically the same as the posse tweet https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/636656504662302721 , so i wouldn't want to backfeed the posse tweet
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@schnarfed
@zhenghuali: "I've learned 3 things at Color: for any topic, @schnarfed has a blog post, @huy has a cartoon, and @youssefmss is against it."
(twitter.com/_/status/636656504662302721)
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snarfed
but the literal texts are pretty far apart, due to @usernames vs names, etc
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KevinMarks
and 3 vs three
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KevinMarks
you could be forgiven for that one being a false positve
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snarfed
sigh yeah
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snarfed
i keep trying to weasel out of doing this, and you keep preventing me :P
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KevinMarks
but you do post a u-syndication
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KevinMarks
so you could suppress that one directly
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snarfed
good point
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snarfed
thanks for talking through this with me!
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snarfed
it all seems pretty reasonable and doable
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KevinMarks
I think the correlation between "re-edited twitter summary" and syndication links is likely to be good
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snarfed
maybe!
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snarfed
at least within bridgy userrs
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed
evening!
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tantek
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tantek
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GWG
-->: Good evening, snarfed and tantek
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tantek
good evening to you too GWG, snarfed !
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tantek
nice HWC Edi photo rhiaro !
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tantek
I don't see SF's photo here: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Photos but everyone else is up there!
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tantek
looks like a tie between Portland and Edinburgh!
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tantek
KevinMarks: upload HWC SF photo to wiki?
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tantek
gah - I just posted TWO photos to IG and got FIVE spam taggings (where they tag your name in a comment or on a photo that's just an add to get more followers / likes).
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Kongaloosh
tantek: for such a closed ecosystem, you'd think they'd have less issues with that stuff.
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tantek
Kongaloosh: it's getting worse and worse
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kevinmarks.com
uploaded /File:hwc2015-08-26sf.jpg "Hombrew Website Club SF 2015-08-26"
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Kongaloosh
Oh, I've not used IG very much...
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Kongaloosh
Was it better before?
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tantek
on the plus side, they just changed their UI to NOT REQUIRE SQUARE PHOTOS
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tantek
less spammy
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tantek
but the rest of the app does just keep improving
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Kongaloosh
mmmm.... but the quality of the app means nothing if the community is going down-hill
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KevinMarks
I get my photos liked by spambots, all using the samw set of photos
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tantek
the community itself is still good - spammers are not community - they're attackers
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Kongaloosh
That's a better way of putting it, you're right.
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Kongaloosh
but if people are trying to break into a community
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tantek
happens to any popular community
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Kongaloosh
and most of their interaction is with bots, that's going to suck.
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tantek
it will happen to webmentions too
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tantek
right, it becomes a battle
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Kongaloosh
it took me a long time to realize that twitter could be good.
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Kongaloosh
like, I didn't see the point if I could already talk to people through other channels
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Kongaloosh
and I'd get drowned out on twitter
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tantek
Twitter OTOH has caused smart people I know to post mostly dumb things. The UI, the format, the culture has all gone downhill.
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tantek
there are exceptions
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tantek
but in general it's been a huge disappointment
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Kongaloosh
I posted a "hey, anyone got reading? I'm interested in this!" with a few #
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Kongaloosh
and I get people who genuinely want to help people
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tantek
that's good!
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Kongaloosh
and when you're at live events and want to know what's happening everywhere, also good.
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tantek
yes, it's good for crowdsourced news
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tantek
e.g. was there just an earthquake
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Kongaloosh
or, "that person was cool, I'll ping them"
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Kongaloosh
it needs the context of real-life.
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KevinMarks
this is disconcertingly good - I want to wipe my screen http://codepen.io/lbebber/pen/ZGGNvZ
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myfreeweb
why did quill stop working with my website? it doesn't send the request to my token endpoint, just immediately says that it returned an empty response
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tantek
oh hey we're missing Brighton!
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aaronpk
myfreeweb: hrm... I haven't changed anything with Quill for a while. has anything changed onyour site recently?
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myfreeweb
the auth stuff wasn't changed
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myfreeweb
micropublish does send the request, I see POST /login in my logs
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myfreeweb
quill doesn't
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aaronpk
is this when you're logging in?
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aaronpk
what's your site?
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aaronpk
hm I can't get to that point unless I am you
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aaronpk
can you get as far as getting the authorization code?
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aaronpk
and then can you PM it to me?
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myfreeweb
the code in the URL bar?
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+198) "/* Notes */ add Kongaloosh's notes"
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myfreeweb
done (if I can PM correctly :D)
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aaronpk
got it
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aaronpk
if i'm doing this right, I'm seeing a 500 internal server error from your token endpoint
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myfreeweb
hmm weird
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myfreeweb
now there is something in my logs (the indieauth.com response that says invalid code provided)
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aaronpk
hm okay let me double check I copied it right
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aaronpk
oops missed something
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myfreeweb
I logged in now
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myfreeweb
somehow it started working
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aaronpk
okay now it says 401 unauthorized
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aaronpk
oh weird
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@mcclure111
Hey so when are we going to make a programming language / toolchain designed for mobile only users https://twitter.com/BenedictEvans/status/637011933309177856?s=09
(twitter.com/_/status/637038724744806400)
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Loqi
woot
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