#indiewebcamp 2015-08-26

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@energyovertime RT @t: ♫ https://vimeo.com/68515433 @ThisIsMyJam is freezing soon. So “Open up”: post jams to your #indieweb ... http://tantek.com/2015/237/t1/open-up-post-jams-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636329560267620352)
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tantek what is a rejam?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rejam" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1027
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tantek a rejam is a repost of a [[jam]].
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loqi.me created /rejam (+58) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-25/line/1440547778664 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /rejam (+64) "linky see also" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: Can I prevail upon your experience re wiki page writing?
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-08-26-thisismyjam-jam-in-stream.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /rejam (+411) "Silo Examples, This is my jam, screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /jam (+12) "see also rejam" (view diff)
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KevinMarks gwg: tantek's probably asleep
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GWG KevinMarks: He was just updating the wiki.
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GWG I know he probably could do that in his sleep though
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GWG I am just worrying about being self deprecating
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GWG Do any Micropub clients do events?
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aaronpk GWG: not that I know of yet, but I need to make one soon so that i have a better way to post events on my site
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aaronpk KevinMarks: it calculates the sha256 hash of the image contents to generate the filename
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aaronpk that way if the same URL is replaced with a different image I will keep both copies
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tantek.com edited /note (+95) "/* Indieweb whitespace thinking */ clarify algorithm, note CASSIS implementation" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm++ for presenting a good case for consistent markup conversion handling in an e-content property, especially for whitespace.
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Loqi kylewm has 221 karma
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tantek the nice thing about "losing" a scientific/reasoned argument like that is the opportunity to learn something. it's a great feeling.
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GWG aaronpk: I'm really liking the idea of letting other people write the posting UI so I can iterate faster.
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GWG It still seems lacking in some level of independence, but I can always come back later.
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tantek GWG, you have freedom of choice among the various UIs people write or to write your own!
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GWG tantek: I just decided that I could do both. I'm trying to put that in the wiki right now
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tantek cool
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david.shanske.com edited /Post_Kinds_Plugin (+78) "/* Why */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /auto-space (+155) "CASSIS implements this" (view diff)
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tantek does anyone share dates with timezone offsets? e.g. 2015-08-26 +0200
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tantek because that should totally be a thing
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GWG Visibly?
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tantek sure, like https://indiewebcamp.com/auto-space
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GWG Not that I recall seeing
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tantek GWG, I did sign this note with my local wall clock time with tz offset
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/636356855187513344
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@t Milk and cookies kept you awake, eh, Sebastian? No, just implementing a new @cassisjs function auto_space 03:57+0200 (ttk.me t4cs2) (twitter.com/_/status/636356855187513344)
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david.shanske.com edited /Post_Kinds_Plugin (+334) (view diff)
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@royalparktouch @MartianOdyssey @t why do you think Wordpress isn't #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/636383323456036864)
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snarfed hey GWG, re https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/17 ...
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snarfed if you have an mf2-specific theme, i'm guessing you wouldn't want to special case micropubbed posts, right?
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GWG snarfed: You might or you might not. I was thinking maybe my initial suggestion to make it a theme specific flag might not make sense.
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GWG I've been thinking about the Why lately, and wondering if it should be a setting, not a theme support item.
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snarfed sorry, on the phone, back in a min
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snarfed GWG: if you port away from the theme later, you'd have to migrate your other posts to HTML markup anyway, so having to do it for the micropubbed posts too seems reasonable
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snarfed i think i vote no, especially if no user has asked for this. seems like YAGNI
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snarfed if you find a concrete use case i'm happy to reconsider!
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GWG snarfed: I've been slowed by recovering from an injury, but I'll be back working on Micropub after I finish some changes to Post Kinds.
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snarfed GWG: great! can't wait for unit tests! :P
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GWG snarfed: I am still working on them. But I am implementing them as part of a Post Kinds rewrite, rather than involving you in my learning process.
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snarfed np, sounds good!
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GWG At the same time, I've been doing a lot of cleanup and bug fixes.
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kylewm huh, what should be one's "me" value for silopub to twitter... maybe like https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan?
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snarfed sgtm!
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kylewm doh, Quill doesn't accept me with slashes
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kylewm brings that experiment to a screeching halt :(
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snarfed cli it is!
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kylewm strangely, just commenting out the checks for path != '/' in Quill and IndieAuth\Client made it work!
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@kylewmahan Testing micropub to Twitter via https://silo.pub/ #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/636417260261806081)
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk kylewm: feel free to submit PRs on quill and IndieAuth\Client for that
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tantek.com edited /WordPress (+26) "make it clear wordpress is used by many on the indieweb" (view diff)
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@t @royalparktouch @MartianOdyssey huh? Many use @WordPress https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress In #indieweb #alphabet too: http://tantek.com/2015/238/t1/wordpress-indieweb-alphabet (twitter.com/_/status/636434132407570432)
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pfefferle good morning all
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tantek good morning pfefferle!
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pfefferle hey tantek :)
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voxpelli good morning!
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pfefferle hej hej voxpelli
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Jeena pfefferle, aren
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Jeena aren't you from germany?
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Jeena why don't you have a HWC there somewhere yet?
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pfefferle hey jena, yes I am from germany… but there are not that many indieweb citizens near my hometown
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pfefferle jena sadly I am not living in berlin or near berlin
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Jeena where do you live?
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pfefferle jeena karlsruhe
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Jeena that is almost like berlin
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pfefferle :D
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pfefferle why exactly are you asking?
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pfefferle are you in germany currently?
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Jeena no I just know that we have people from germany in the community and there was a IWC there too but no HWC yet as far as I can see
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Jeena I was in Portland for 2 months and attended the HWCs there and when I got back to Sweden I started the first one in Gothenburg and now voxpelli and emil felt inspired (I guess) and will have also have one tonight in Malmoe, which is quite cool :D
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pfefferle Jeena whould be interesting to know how much interested peaple are located near karlsruhe
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Jeena yeah
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Jeena I was able to convince 2 of my coworkers to come tonight too (in addition to two other people)
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tantek Jeena++ awesome! Now get them setup with their own websites :)
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Loqi Jeena has 20 karma
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pfefferle Jeena good point!
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pfefferle Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 21 karma
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[kevinmarks] https://medium.com/@maradydd/on-port-80-d8d6d3443d9a port 80 ftw
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+186) "/* Articles */ inventor of pingback enables webmentions on his blog" (view diff)
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Jeena oh wow
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tantek yeah I think I'll add that to the /timeline also
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KartikPrabhu don't understand the point of that post on Medium
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tantek hey GWG have you ever reached out to brianloveswords re: HWC NYC?
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tantek he helped organize the first IWC NYC
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tantek and may be interested in helping co-organize a HWC NYC or another IWC - perhaps in Brooklyn!
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tantek realizes it's too early on the East Coast
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KartikPrabhu or too late
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tantek !tell GWG have you ever reached out to brianloveswords re: HWC NYC? helped organize the first IWC NYC and may be interested in helping co-organize a HWC NYC or another IWC - perhaps in Brooklyn!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek hey KartikPrabhu are you seriously still awake?!?
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KartikPrabhu yes. got carried away writing a paper
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tantek also, in case you're feeling daring, auto_space implemented in #cassis.js and deployed live on tantek.com last night (+0200)
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KartikPrabhu yes saw your tweet about that. would be neat to have a python equivalent ;)
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KartikPrabhu have been thinking of using cassis.js auto_link instead of the Bleach one
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tantek https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1175 - I'm sure that's short enough for your to rewrite in Python!
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tantek s/your/you
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Loqi tantek meant to say: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1175 - I'm sure that's short enough for you to rewrite in Python!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: pretty sure KevinMarks or maybe kylewm? rewrote cassis auto_link in Python
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KartikPrabhu yes I think kylewm did
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tantek auto_space does not depend on auto_link btw (nor vice versa)
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[kevinmarks] kyle first, I did bugfixes
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KartikPrabhu yes. I like that part :)
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tantek kevinmarks - let's see if you can rewrite my nice & simple auto_space in python
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tantek does python have a str_ireplace function that takes arrays as params for search & replace? ;)
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KartikPrabhu err unknown might have to regex it or something
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tantek oh no!
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tantek and I worked so hard to avoid using regex for it
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KartikPrabhu will have to dig around unkown regions of python for that
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tantek KartikPrabhu: and if not, you could start re-implementing more cassis functions in pythong
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tantek s/pythong/python
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Loqi tantek meant to say: KartikPrabhu: and if not, you could start re-implementing more cassis functions in python
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tantek (sheesh)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: you shoudn't be awake either :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: hence typos
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tantek but my new code works flawlessly :D
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tantek hey /Feedly fixed their escaping (and thus displaying markup) XHTML in entry title bug!
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tantek just verified with astearns
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you use Feedly right?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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tantek reload
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah fixed the titles
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tantek looks like my class="if-you-see-this..." worked ;)
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KartikPrabhu lol
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tantek KartikPrabhu: do you know when?
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KartikPrabhu no, it wasn't the case a couple of hour earlier when I saw another one of your posts with flawed title
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tantek looks like from their discussion thread that they started trying to fix it perhaps as of 2015-08-21 "I'll see if we can spare some cycles to handle XHTML-in-articles-titles better." and maybe got it working in their internal builds by 2015-08-22 "I didn't see the html tags in the web page for that article, it rendered fine for me." ?
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KartikPrabhu quite possible. I recall seeing the first quote you mention
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tantek KartikPrabhu: oh wow - you still saw the markup in the titles as of a couple of hours ago?
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tantek maybe they just deployed an update
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KartikPrabhu yes. so maybe just updated
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tantek or https://twitter.com/feedly/status/635111227375534080 ?
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@feedly We just pushed out 1005. Fixes the auto-load on scroll issue. Fixes bug with right to left languages. http://feedly.com/ Have a great we (twitter.com/_/status/635111227375534080)
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tantek heh feedly.com is js;dr ;)
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KartikPrabhu of course it is a web-thang
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the other question is - did the whitespace display of my posts change at all in Feedly?
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tantek that is, do you see linebreaks now when previously you didn't?
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KartikPrabhu and a pretty stupid one at that. If my connection is slow for some reason it says "oh maybe Feedly is blocked"
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I mostly read your posts on your site so can't say I'd recall now
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KartikPrabhu Feedly is only to get post notifications. All my reading happens on the Web :)
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tantek neat
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KartikPrabhu hopefully in the near future I'll have a reader in my site so I can ditch feedly completely
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tantek KartikPrabhu: are you on G+? since you noticed the bug get fixed from two hours ago to now, could you comment something about that asking for verification that they did deploy a fix here? https://plus.google.com/110760594609453531817/posts/2J3wWDsJFnU
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KartikPrabhu oh Judas Priest G+ really need to do responsive design correctly
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tantek well we could all do better at that ;)
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KartikPrabhu err I do pretty well ;) at least on layout. G+ uses JS to do layout which messes with user-browser-zoom
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tantek er yeah
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tantek I still need to get full bleed on images/videos on mobile-like displays
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KartikPrabhu at least your site is readable; so doing better than G+
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tantek hah. better than G+ is not good enough.
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KartikPrabhu true
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tantek need to be as pretty as IG
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KartikPrabhu tantek: err I am supposed to join the community to comment on that bug report
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tantek yeah - I had to also
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tantek whatever, it seemed painless enough
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tantek and hey - you're actually a user!
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Jeena tantek, isn't that just giving the images a negative margin left and right of the padding you have?
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Jeena that's what I do
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KartikPrabhu I forgot how I had obtained syndicated URL for G+ replies :P
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KartikPrabhu tantek: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-feedly-title-fix
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tantek KartikPrabhu: did you just POSSE a reply to G+?!?
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tantek what is G+?
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Loqi Google+ (AKA Google Plus, GPlus, or G+) is both a social content hosting silo operated by Google, similar in many respects to Facebook, and a centralized Google identity service for other Google services like YouTube https://indiewebcamp.com/G%2B
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KartikPrabhu yeah have been doing that for quite some time
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tantek.com edited /Google_Plus (+49) "/* POSSE */ indieweb examples heading" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu G+ does not have URLs for replies so I fudge them by getting the ids of the <div>. of course G+ does not respect a URL link with an id
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tantek KartikPrabhu: can you add your example to https://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Plus#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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tantek (those are specifically POSSE to G+ examples)
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tantek and how you got that id etc.
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KartikPrabhu now I have to look for earliest POSSE example!
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tantek yes!
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tantek well you can start with your current example
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tantek then decouple looking for earliest
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KartikPrabhu and figure out which I manually transferred to my site!
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tantek i usually phrase that as "since 2015-08-26 at least"
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[kevinmarks] hm https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/python-cookbook-2nd/0596007973/ch01s19.html
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tantek KartikPrabhu: now that they fixed the bug, you should add the <div class="if-your-feed-reader-displays-this-then-it-is-violating-the-Atom-spec-RFC-4287-section-4.2.14" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> to your atom titles in hfeed2atom
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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tantek it will make a good regression test
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Loqi nice
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tantek and it will make it VERY obvious in other feed readers
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KartikPrabhu maybe I should use a "zen mode" in hfeed2atom for that
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KartikPrabhu that way I can throw errors and random funny things in my own hfeed and not affect others who might use hfeed2atom
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KartikPrabhu just realised it is very hard to find first reply to G+ in my feed
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tantek hixie used to call that "evil" mode, as in "evil" tests that really push all the edges
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tantek perhaps standardista mode
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KartikPrabhu tantek: there ^
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tantek oh boy
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tantek KartikPrabhu: could you link to both your original and POSSE copies for each example?
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tantek even if G+ screws it up with their JS
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KartikPrabhu yup on it
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pfefferle GWG the latest change of the Semantic Linkbacks plugin breaks the email notifications, so I think I have to revert that change…
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pfefferle GWG can you reproduce this? https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/35
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@MartianOdyssey @royalparktouch @t Sorry I put two ideas in one tweet. 1. indieweb aware & 2. decided not to use WordPress (which has nought to do with 1) (twitter.com/_/status/636501860518531072)
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@MartianOdyssey Sorry I put two ideas in one tweet. 1. #indieweb aware & 2. decided not to use #WordPress (which has nought to do with 1) (twitter.com/_/status/636502488825204737)
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@pypi_updates went 0.0.12: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. http://t.co/rxxeTni6bQ (twitter.com/_/status/636518208984481792)
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pfefferle GWG thanks for your fast responses :)
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pfefferle GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 114 karma
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Loqi [bridgy] Rob Dolin replied '@t @kevinmarks Is there a group in #seattle? If not, any suggestions on who to start one with?' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/robdolin/status/636524211616378880)
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tantek replying to a news article on Yahoo with a blog post of my own: https://twitter.com/t/status/636535454590988288
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@t Vacation Mode @Yahoo? How About Evening Mode, Original Content Mode, and Walkie Talkies With Texting? http://tantek.com/2015/238/b1/smartphone-vacation-mode-called-it (twitter.com/_/status/636535454590988288)
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tantek (or: when a short reply comment turns into a blog post)
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tantek is everyone excited for today's / tonight's record-breaking SIX cities doing Homebrew Website Clubs?
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tantek who will have the best group photo?!?
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Loqi [mention] jamshid liked a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/KCAwP6NRtvUB8XLS26X_Rg
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rhiaro tantek: defer results of best photo competition until after Edinburgh tomorrow
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tantek rhiaro: of course!
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rhiaro We haven't had photos so far because in part people come and go over several hours
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tantek or rather, extend deadline for submission :)
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rhiaro I guess I need to work out the peak time I guess
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tantek rhiaro: no excuse :)
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rhiaro Main reason is I forget
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tantek yes - hence why it's scheduled here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#HWC_Group_Photo
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rhiaro We've been less structured in general
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tantek and "I forget" is why we have: http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#HWC_Group_Photo_2
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tantek :)
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rhiaro Mostly just a quick round of what everyone has done and is going to do, then we hack
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tantek aha, then perhaps after the quick round, take the group photo, then get to hacking
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rhiaro Hey _fran can you make it to HWC this week?
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_fran I'd like to, but I'm building up a serioud cold here
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_fran I'm going home to hide under a blanket after work
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rhiaro I'm pretty sure indieweb is a cure for colds
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_fran h-bacteria
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rhiaro hah
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_fran I'll join remotely :)
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rhiaro Remote in from under the blanket if you like :) I'll have a spare laptop
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rhiaro Fab, we'll do a talky.io, I'm hoping Kongaloosh can join us that way too
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_fran ok!
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rhiaro Add yourself as remote on the wiki :)
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_fran will do
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Kongaloosh That would be cool
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tbrb I have a handin at 4 so I'll be freeeeeeeeeeeeeee =3
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/m4GkqL5RNZnwP3xfhBLU-A
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Loqi [mention] Amy Guy wrote a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/PNsxEoEpB_QoYHrboCLJ7Q
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@rhiaro Homebrew Website Clubs in 6 cities this week; Edinburgh is 1730 Thurs, Forum... https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/6-cities-holding @techmeetup (twitter.com/_/status/636548441712238592)
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tbrb rhiaro: email the TMU list?
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@edinb_r RT @rhiaro: Homebrew Website Clubs in 6 cities this week; Edinburgh is 1730 Thurs, Forum... https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/6-cities-holding … (twitter.com/_/status/636548696570753024)
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rhiaro tbrb: I'm thinking about it, but also concerned about Forum access/space
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tbrb True, yeah
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rhiaro Ah who am I kidding, not that many people are going to come
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rhiaro I'm gonna wait and see if jarofgreen is coming first
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rhiaro ^ I think that means geng is in the process of rsvping :)
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rhiaro hey tbrb retweets are great but I hear indie reposts are better
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tbrb >.> That would be the case if I was able to do them
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tbrb :v
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rhiaro repost-of: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/6-cities-holding
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tbrb I'll sort it out tomorrow night, because I don't send webmentions yet either
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rhiaro Sounds like a good goal
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tbrb Goals are to support sending webmentions, in-reply-to and repost-of
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rhiaro you might as well add like-of to that list while you're at it
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tbrb Yup
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tbrb then I also want to extend publ to do those things too
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tbrb http://img.harryreeder.co.uk/2015-08-26_15-50-19.png Written down so I don't forget! http://img.harryreeder.co.uk/2015-08-26_15-50-19.png
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tbrb Whoops, didn't notice the double linking
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KevinMarks anyone in seattle? https://twitter.com/robdolin/status/636524211616378880
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@robdolin @t @kevinmarks Is there a group in #seattle? If not, any suggestions on who to start one with? (twitter.com/_/status/636524211616378880)
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tantek KevinMarks: I will be in 2 weeks!
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tantek I'll ping rob
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tantek er, reply ;)
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@t @robdolin 1. Add "Seattle" and yourself here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings 2. I’m in Redmond in 2 weeks! Let’s do it! (ttk.me t4ct2) (twitter.com/_/status/636557024751452160)
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@kylewmahan Support for publishing to Twitter via micropub is live on http://t.co/8rqUbzBgdA! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636557185116303360)
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tantek kylewm++ !
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@indiewebcamp RT @adactio: Come to the 2nd Homebrew Website Club meetup in Brighton this Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/636559967579975681)
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@stevepurkiss @indiewebcamp sadly got to work on a quote 2nite for a meeting 2moro :( Hoping to make next meet - although if I get this project maybe not! (twitter.com/_/status/636560092285026305)
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tantek !tell kylewm only thing I have to share for tonight's HWC meetup in SF (feel free to speak on my behalf) is getting /auto-space implemented, working, and deployed live on my personal site, with a newly written cassis.js function "auto_space()" that's open source of course: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1175
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm and the reasons being, consistent treatment of auto-markup in published e-content, which is then more obvious (easier) for Indie /readers and other post consuming code (/repost posts, /reply-context ) to more accurately retrieve and redisplay.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek when does the 24 hours of 6 cities of Homebrew Website Club start?
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tantek Sweden, you're up first right? Jeena, voxpelli ?
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voxpelli tantek: yes!
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tantek voxpelli: what time?
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voxpelli https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vjArPVnY/hwcmalmo.JPG
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voxpelli tantek: so, now :)
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tantek voxpelli++ YES!!!!
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Loqi voxpelli has 40 karma
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Loqi [mention] IndieWebCamp and IndieWebCampUK reposted an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/zOOipgKM76wu1bEtYAG-6g
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tantek voxpelli: please post that on your own site or something! :D
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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thatemil Hello!
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voxpelli tantek: will try, would be the first social post on my site :) It should be ready though
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thatemil There is massive growth-hacking going on here at HWC Malmö, we’ve gone from 0 to 2 people in like an instant.
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tantek voxpelli: I've got a post cued up
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tantek thatemil++
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kylewm more than happy to share that on your behalf tantek!
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: only thing I have to share for tonight's HWC meetup in SF (feel free to speak on my behalf) is getting /auto-space implemented, working, and deployed live on my personal site, with a newly written cassis.js function "auto_space()" that's open source of course: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1175 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440602858574
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 26 minutes ago: and the reasons being, consistent treatment of auto-markup in published e-content, which is then more obvious (easier) for Indie /readers and other post consuming code (/repost posts, /reply-context ) to more accurately retrieve and redisplay. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440602940823
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@macleodan RT @rhiaro: Homebrew Website Clubs in 6 cities this week; Edinburgh is 1730 Thurs, Forum... https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/6-cities-holding … (twitter.com/_/status/636568111685193728)
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Loqi [mention] River MacLeod reposted https://webmention.io/notification/67IcY8ppFdWO-MYy2XZmAQ
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@t 24 Hour Homebrew Website People starts with the first Mälmo meetup with @voxpelli @thatemil! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4ct3) (twitter.com/_/status/636571267903135744)
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[kevinmarks] You don't have a quorum in Paris for a hwc?
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tbrb aaronpk: Do you have the source for the IRC > Slack gateway (not Slack > IRC, I've found that direction) you're using kicking around?
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@jeena HWC GOT 2 #IndieWeb (https://jeena.net/photos/176) https://twitter.com/jeena/status/636575467919818753/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/636575467919818753)
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kylewm tbrb: https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway
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aaronpk tbrb: that's only the Slack -> IRC half
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kylewm sorry
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aaronpk oops i mean kylewm
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aaronpk IRC to Slack is much more hacky and indiewebcamp-specific
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tbrb Ah ok
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aaronpk it starts with Loqi sending a post request to a file on the server
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aaronpk here's where most of the work happens https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/9277c4465fa6b2864875
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tbrb ah perfect, that'll be enough to build something up then :)
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snarfed hey aaronpk, while we're on slack-irc, is it easy to set up another bridged channel under the IWC slack account?
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snarfed no worries if not
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aaronpk on freenode?
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snarfed the irc and iwc slack channels already exist, i'd just like to bridge them
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snarfed (this is #bridgy)
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snarfed i'd like to see msgs in #bridgy when i'm not logged in, but no way in hell i'm falling down the IRC bouncer etc hole. i'll do slack though :P
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk I think that's doable, I need to make this code handle multiple channels anyway
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snarfed i don't need all the #iwc niceties, i'd be fine with the plain vanilla gateway that slack has built in (?)
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snarfed tries to set that up now
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aaronpk slack has an IRC interface built in but that only lets you connect to a slack room from an IRC client
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snarfed oh. never mind then
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snarfed anyway. low priority. don't let me swap you
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aaronpk cool, yeah it's a bit of a project to refactor this but I need to do it anyway
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snarfed thanks!
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kylewm snarfed: I'd be happy to just use Slack for #bridgy if you want
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snarfed kylewm: i don't have a strong opinion, especially since i assume it's just been us talking there for the past x months
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snarfed (?)
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kylewm this is true
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@indiewebcamp RT @jeena: HWC GOT 2 #IndieWeb (https://jeena.net/photos/176) https://twitter.com/jeena/status/636575467919818753/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/636586806025125888)
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KevinMarks looks like heroku is goign to email me every day about kevinmarks.com until I move elsewhere
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aaronpk now i'm wondering if I can port flickstagram.org over to Amazon Lambda so that I don't have to worry about that anymore
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voxpelli First HWC Malmö: 4 people in total! Group photo will be uploaded later :)
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aaronpk \o/ congrats
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snarfed noserver++
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Loqi noserver has 1 karma
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snarfed PaaS++
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aaronpk Lambda is well-suited for tasks like ownyourgram where Instagram sends a web hook that triggers the photo to be processed and sent elsewhere
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aaronpk not so good for long-running background tasks like a massive import
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aaronpk guess I'd have to come up with a way to turn a large import task into lots of smaller tasks
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KevinMarks sounds like a fun way of DOSing yourslef
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aaronpk lol
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[snarfed] aaronpk: could still work if lambda can enqueue tasks into SQS and then SQS can push tasks to lambda requests
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[snarfed] the latter is maybe doubtful
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[snarfed] ah memories of thinking through all this for all engine 10y ago :P
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[snarfed] er app engine
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aaronpk KevinMarks: i'm pretty sure flickr can handle the traffic
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aaronpk although they did say that I was sending enough photos their way that they noticed me
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KevinMarks oh, I thought this was for importing to your own site
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aaronpk [snarfed]: oh yeah SNS is totally an input to Lambda
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KevinMarks does the appengine task thing let me set a time to do it, or is that what the cron is for?
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davidpeach hello
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snarfed KevinMarks: yes app engine task queue supports etas as both deltas and absolute times
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@GavartGamhag @padablemont #selfdogfood http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (twitter.com/_/status/636599576758063104)
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@csarven #indiewebcamp search result for "#RDF" : "Did you mean #microformats and how-to tutorial and masochism?" (twitter.com/_/status/636599645293150208)
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aaronpk I totally nerd-sniped myself into researching more AWS services
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snarfed aaronpk: it's a trap, don't do it
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snarfed they launch new ones at a faster rate than you can learn and grok them
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aaronpk haha
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KevinMarks and way faster than you can write the xml/json/soap hybrid to configure them
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snarfed eh their config GUIs are generally pretty good and mostly not overly complicated
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snarfed and all have JSON representations underneath that are easy to export/import. for small projects, it's reasonable to use just the GUIs, and export to JSON regularly as backup
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aaronpk wow yeah i need to figure out a better solution for the massive import this does
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snarfed it's still running?
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aaronpk flickstagram
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snarfed ah, yeah, that is a massive import
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aaronpk sometimes i'm surprised people still want to use it
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snarfed wait, do you store all photos that flickstagram's processed?!
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aaronpk noooo way
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snarfed good
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snarfed would have been surprised
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snarfed so, what's the massive import? metadata?
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aaronpk I do store the instagram ID tho, so that I don't re-process photos
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snarfed ohhh nm. the actual functionality
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snarfed is slow
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aaronpk it goes through someone's instagram account and uploads them all to flickr. so each "job" ends up being several hundred photos usually
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aaronpk there are 98 jobs waiting in the queue too
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snarfed right
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KevinMarks do you have to download them to upload them?
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aaronpk yeah, cause flickr can't upload by URL reference
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snarfed aaronpk: if you're on the PaaS, learn-new-platforms, free-tier tip right now...flickstagram could certainly fit in app engine's free tier indefinitely
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snarfed happy to help if you're interested! :P
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snarfed is a shill
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KevinMarks if flickr noticed you, can you ask for upload by URL?
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aaronpk there's no ruby on appengine is there?
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aaronpk KevinMarks: heh..I wonder. Their API hasn't really changed in years so I doubt it
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snarfed aaronpk: yes via jruby, but i definitely understand if that's a non starter
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aaronpk oh hah
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aaronpk I could probably rewrite it in PHP without too much trouble
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KevinMarks you can't really write to disc though
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aaronpk not even temporarily? Lambda gives you a 512mb /tmp partition you can write to that will last as long as the function runs
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snarfed sure you can, cloud storage, just like S3
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snarfed ah. no /tmp, no, but you can generally get by without it
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KevinMarks I just made a 'web is my database' special document editor for rosie, but she's not impressed http://www.headsuptutoring.com/grid?pagetitle=%27oo%27+sound&top=s&top=p&top=oo&top=n&top=oo&top=ue&top=ew&letr=p&letr=r&letr=u&letr=n&letr=e&letr=&letr=&letr=s&letr=ou&letr=p&letr=r&letr=oo&letr=m&letr=&letr=b&letr=oo&letr=t&letr=n&letr=ew&letr=t&letr=oo&letr=b&letr=l&letr=ue&letr=g&letr=l&letr=ue&letr=&letr=s&letr=oo&letr=n&letr=m
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GWG Afternoon
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 56 minutes ago: have you ever reached out to brianloveswords re: HWC NYC? helped organize the first IWC NYC and may be interested in helping co-organize a HWC NYC or another IWC - perhaps in Brooklyn! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440582319443
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snarfed there are multiple disk-like options. with the right wrappers, very little code absolutely requires local disk (or can even distinguish it)
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snarfed hell there are even block device APIs
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snarfed KevinMarks: heh nice
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KevinMarks not criticising, just pointing out that it is a bit of a mindset shift
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snarfed very true. PaaSes are definitely a mindset shift in general
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: see last reply here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110760594609453531817/posts/2J3wWDsJFnU
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk google app engine seems more similar to regular app development than the AWS stuff
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KevinMarks 'how do I save it?" 'bookmark the url' 'that's not saving'
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek it seems some of your posts have XHTML titles but some don't in Feedly display. Will investigate later
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@csarven @tantek Can you use #microformats 1 as ex. @ #indiewebcamp /Longevity? BTW "p-name entry-title e-content entry-content article" works great! (twitter.com/_/status/636614397897609216)
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kylewm needs a way to /ignore Loqi's tweets from just certain people
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Loqi :)
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Loqi [mention] MirandaN liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/ROaUg9Mbj_TFCLpoVaV9IA
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aaronpk snarfed: it looks like I can't make outgoing POST requests in GAE unless i have billing enabled. (the free URL fetch thing is probably too specific to let me do an actual Flickr API request)
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@kylewmahan @evanpro @mattfogel If you are still in SF at 6:30pm, we’d love to have you at http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club — @t’s out of… https://kylewm.com/2015/08/if-you-are-still-in-sf-at-6-30pm-we-d-love-to-have (twitter.com/_/status/636619161993539584)
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan commented 'If you are still in SF at 6:30pm, we’d love to have you at indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club — @tantek’s out of town ...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (https://kylewm.com/2015/08/if-you-are-still-in-sf-at-6-30pm-we-d-love-to-have)
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kylewm is that invitation ok? ^
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snarfed aaronpk: outbound POSTs on app engine definitely don't cost money
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snarfed curious what made you think they do?
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aaronpk there's a whole thing in there about how using the network isn't enabled for the free tier except if you use URL Fetch
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snarfed ahh interesting, ie the socket API
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snarfed urlfetch should support pretty much all HTTP requests
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk not sure how to make the Flickr client use urlfetch tho. (it's OAuth 1 so it's not trivial to do by hand)
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KevinMarks in python the built-in url libraries are wrappers around URLfetch
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snarfed right, urlfetch is automatic
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aaronpk hm okay
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snarfed and you can enable billing on app engine, ie to get the socket API, without actually incurring charges
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snarfed pretty much all quotas (including outgoing b/w) have a free tier
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snarfed requiring enabling billing is like a heavyweight captcha
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aaronpk ahh
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snarfed https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas#Requests
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@AlexKKearney I'm going to try and make it remotely, but I'm still in Edmonton. #HWC #indieweb http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/26/hwc-edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/636624667047034882)
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aaronpk interesting, GAE handles worker queues by just sending regular POST requests to your app?
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snarfed task queue? yes
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snarfed you can also opt into "pull" queues, ie you pull tasks off when you want
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snarfed but the push queue scheduler has great configurability
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snarfed e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/queue.yaml
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aaronpk another advantage of using GAE is I'll get to bug snarfed if I have questions about it :P
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snarfed heh yes
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS https://webmention.io/notification/0Z-y-aLLG3Bju4UyBsAyKw
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@pypi_updates went 0.0.13: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/went/0.0.13 (twitter.com/_/status/636631201026048000)
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: is there anything in particular that's on the agenda for HWC EDI?
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: hackiiiiing
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Kongaloosh wow, that's one of my favourite things!
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rhiaro I know right
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rhiaro It's for you.
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Kongaloosh Completely. I'm trying to think of new things to do... i
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Kongaloosh I've setup my wementions, and they present relatively well.
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Kongaloosh I've got my syndication a la POSSE PESOS
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Kongaloosh ... do you have any suggestions?
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@diplix @nxD4n wenn du die antwort editierst, wird ein neuer webmention gesendet. vielleicht kommts dann an? (twitter.com/_/status/636634416245137408)
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@artwisanggeni #python went 0.0.13: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/went/0.0.13 (twitter.com/_/status/636634491067351040)
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: micropub?
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Kongaloosh Already done.
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Kongaloosh That was actually the first thing I did, because I wasn't good at making pretty forms.
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@AlexKKearney I'm a bit stumped right now, I'm trying to figure out what to work on next for my site. #indieweb http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/26/im-a-bit-stumped-right-now-im-trying-to-figure-out-what-to-work-on-next-for-my-site (twitter.com/_/status/636635146544922624)
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KevinMarks marginalia?
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Kongaloosh KevinMarks, what do you mean?
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Kongaloosh like, annotations in the margins?
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KevinMarks yes, KartikPrabhu has doen it
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KevinMarks though if you're not getting many webmentions it may be a bit esoteric
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snarfed Kongaloosh: got an example of displaying webmentions? i haven't found any yet on http://kongaloosh.com/
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snarfed as for what to do next, maybe visible syndication links? (and an easy one: sign up for https://www.brid.gy/ ?)
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Kongaloosh snarfed: that's smart
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Kongaloosh and you remind me that I need to actually have some linear nav
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Kongaloosh here's an example of wementions: kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/3/another-test-note-for-webmentions
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Kongaloosh however, I've not tidied up attacks.
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KevinMarks http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/8/26/im-a-bit-stumped-right-now-im-trying-to-figure-out-what-to-work-on-next-for-my-site
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KevinMarks I sent you one
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KevinMarks though you seem to display it twice
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snarfed ah, and you may also want to customize how you render likes, reposts, etc
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snarfed (bridgy may motivate that)
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KevinMarks that's the note detection problem
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Kongaloosh KevinMarks: yup. Thanks, I've not done super-robust testing on that.
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Kongaloosh snarfed: cool, I'll take a look!
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Loqi [bridgy] Evan Prodromou replied '@kylewmahan @mattfogel @t Thanks for invite! I'm not able to come tonight unfortunately. Maybe next time.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/636635667007537152)
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kylewm Kongaloosh: ohh parsing timezones too, though that's not very fun
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Loqi [mention] Andrew Woods liked a post that linked to a photo: "Homebrew Website Club" http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings https://webmention.io/notification/sZ-XdaY14_hJwP63TeDRFQ
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jeena.net uploaded /File:hwcgot2.jpg "Second HWC in GOT"
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@benjaminparry Sad to have missed the Homebrew Website Club tonight but making the most of the evening preparing to own my own tweets and links #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636647633340235777)
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+23) "/* Photos */ GOT" (view diff)
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davidpeach tidying my posting UI - meh
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aaronpk all this work with the IRC/Slack/Web gateways and getting matrix.org set up the other weekend has me thinking a lot about chat UIs and protocols
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tbrb Lead anywhere interesting? or just general thoughts on it?
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aaronpk mostly just thoughts for now
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aaronpk I feel like we're close to being able to use a lot of the existing indieweb stack for group chat rooms tho
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tbrb With the slack-like projects out there I can see that being a possibility, yeah.
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@diplix @nxD4n sehe gerade, der link ist mit angehängtem ”ž#disqus_thread“. der webmention wird zwar registriert, aber nicht abgefragt. (twitter.com/_/status/636658889392439296)
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aaronpk I'm also getting really tempted to build myself a replacement for my weechat+IRC usage
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aaronpk will probably end up rebuilding Monocle to become that
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kylewm since y'all were talking about showing notes in reverse chronological order, i find myself increasingly frustrated that twitter isn't like that
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kylewm i often have to scroll down to the beginning of a conversation and then scroll up to read the whole thing
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cleverdevil have you looked at https://github.com/sdelements/lets-chat
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kylewm oh sorry, I mean chronological order (like IRC, unlike blogs)
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aaronpk haven't seen that one, looks like http://www.mattermost.org/ or https://rocket.chat/
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tbrb I've seen a few of them. Right now it would look like rocket.chat is probably in the lead, though each have their own benefits
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tbrb I like that mattermost is written in Go
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aaronpk I'm not talking about making a chat server tho, what I'm picturing is more like tweetdeck but can connect to multiple different kinds of sources
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aaronpk maybe my goal for tonight's HWC should be to do a writeup of this
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aaronpk similar to http://aaron.pk/a4_z2#replacing-my-use-of-irc
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sparverius oh man that's what i've been missing
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sparverius i pipe my stuff into an email account
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aaronpk yeah, seems like everyone has made some sort of solution for this
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sparverius aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 944 karma
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sparverius aaronpk: strange that every solution is using existing infrastructure. i kind of wonder if using email as transport or bridge is just the best way to do it as far as simplicity goes
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leofseige aaronpk: something like http://www.alternion.com ? (but with irc too)
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aaronpk leofseige: kinda
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aaronpk I have some specific things in mind that probably aren't covered by that, which is why I want to write it up
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@kevinmarks @SarahJaneMorris @keen_io hm, your json is interesting. Some fields indieweb events don't have. (twitter.com/_/status/636679057371860992)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 5 hours, 1 minute ago: see last reply here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110760594609453531817/posts/2J3wWDsJFnU http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440614875676
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 4 hours, 51 minutes ago: it seems some of your posts have XHTML titles but some don't in Feedly display. Will investigate later http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-26/line/1440615477640
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tantek KartikPrabhu interesting - when Alan Stearns looked at my feed in feedly, all the escaped <div>s were gone and things rendered as they should.
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KartikPrabhu I found a new post had the <div> and some older ones too.
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tantek huh I wonder what's going on
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KartikPrabhu The trouble with Feedly is it has a "hide" button which is not same as "marked as read". it hides the post from everywhere even if you "show read items"
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KartikPrabhu very annoygin
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tantek odd
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KartikPrabhu so I have hidden some post that have to figure out how to show again
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tantek oops I got the umlaut in the wrong place in my post for Malmö! sorry about that voxpelli thatemil
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tantek fixing
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tantek fixed on my site but POSSE copies remain frozen
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