#indiewebcamp 2015-08-25

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Jeena ha nice, snarfed that is more than good enough, the links are in the log too, even clickable!
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snarfed publiclogs++
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Loqi publiclogs has 1 karma
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snarfed sanitizinglogs++
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Loqi sanitizinglogs has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: consider adding it as a lib, the service causes problems to my apache
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KartikPrabhu should add reply-contexts to hfeed2atom
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KevinMarks that's what I meant - adding it to my increasingly random set of tools there
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snarfed KevinMarks: also feel free to +1 https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/31
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Jeena Ok cool https://jeena.net/events/2 even with rsvps and all, this is starting to look good. So I guess it is time to go to bed, it's 2am already ^^
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snarfed Jeena: wow, looks great!
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Jeena snarfed is there no published date for rsvps via facebook or is it just a miss? https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/728407677/1015948165106587/10153510959514112
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snarfed iirc the FB API doesn't tell us the date
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Jeena ok
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tantek.com edited /note (+46) "/* Indieweb whitespace thinking */ mention auto-space explicitly" (view diff)
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tantek Jeena, you have to just treat the date the webmention was received as the FB RSVP date
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tantek !tell aaronpk,snarfed as writers of code that consumes posts and (may/could) pay attention to whitespace, also appreciate your opinion on whitespace auto-space etc: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Indieweb_whitespace_thinking
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena yeah that I'm doing already, I just saw that it didn't match up because I did all of them manually within 2 minutes
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snarfed tantek: thanks for starting that discussion! i mostly understand the writeup
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 minutes ago: as writers of code that consumes posts and (may/could) pay attention to whitespace, also appreciate your opinion on whitespace auto-space etc: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Indieweb_whitespace_thinking http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-24/line/1440461873918
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snarfed seems like authoring UI vs how to interpret rendered posts are pretty different use cases. may be worth distinguishing them more loudly
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snarfed i'm also with kylewm on the inconsistency issue. the <p>/<br> heuristic is ok; e-content vs p-content is better imho.
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snarfed the heuristic *just barely* pushed me over the edge to consider implementing it in bridgy. e- vs p- is more convincing, esp if mf2 parsers expose that reasonably
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snarfed.org edited /note (+326) "/* IndieWeb Whitespace Examples */ snarfed.org" (view diff)
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KevinMarks so how does this auto-whitespace point of view interact with whitespace collapsing in implied name etc?
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snarfed ducks
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snarfed.org edited /note (+51) "/* IndieWeb Whitespace Examples */ whitespace: WordPress" (view diff)
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kylewm KevinMarks: are you thinking like, maybe we'd do the reverse? convert <br> to \n and &nbsp; to space?
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kylewm I think that'd make more sense than the current behavior if you have like <span class="p-name">Kyle<br/>Mahan</span>
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kylewm looks like python replaces nbsp with the unicode non-breaking space character
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KevinMarks I'm thinking of the problem where he implied name ends up with all the non-visible whitespace from the source
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@averybmiller Just setup my @Indie_Auth account- I should have a long time ago! Really cool stuff! (twitter.com/_/status/635988629655982080)
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bret heroku is shutting off free access to 24/7 free apps. bye bye atom feeds on heroku apps (at least directly to the app)
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message on 8/9 at 11:08pm: are you able to host Homebrew Website Club this week in PDX? Can you edit and add the Portland location here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-09/line/1439186890180
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bret or h-feeds
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bret eek i've bee out of it
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[snarfed] bret: blatant plug: app engine still has its 24/7 free tier :P
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KartikPrabhu *still*
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bret sans node :[[[[[
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bret is there a go microformats parser?
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[snarfed] yes!
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bret wat
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[snarfed] there are definitely also some js apps on gae, most inside the jvm
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bret ew
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bret ;)
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bret i'd rather run it on my raspi
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bret (node that is)
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu: agreed. heroku is a great platform. sad to see their free tier degrade
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bret learning app engine is something I've been interested in a while
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: hey platforms gotta eat
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bret for a*
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[snarfed] heh
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bret how does the irc bridge format the names?
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KartikPrabhu [name] for slack
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bret yeah i get that ;p what mechanism allows it to send messages in that format to the channel without those users being in here?
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bret irc mechanism*
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aaronpk bret: keyboard and fingers
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 26 minutes ago: as writers of code that consumes posts and (may/could) pay attention to whitespace, also appreciate your opinion on whitespace auto-space etc: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Indieweb_whitespace_thinking http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-24/line/1440461873918
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aaronpk hmm i will have to review that tomorrow
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aaronpk i'm gonna try to launch avatar archiving on webmention.io really quickly
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bret ಠ_ಠ
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bret aaronpk: how are messages bridged into irc and formatted with the name, and not attributed to a room member?
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aaronpk I don't understand the question
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bret why doesnt it say Loqi: [snarfed]: says this etc
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk oh
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bret instead its just the name
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aaronpk the slack bridge signs in to IRC
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway/blob/master/gateway.js
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bret ohhhh i see. wow clever. turning on joins/parts explains the mystery :p
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aaronpk node is great for that because it makes it easy to have a bunch of IRC clients running from the same process
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bret yeah toats
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aaronpk i used the same code for the ?beta web chat
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aaronpk so now it won't accidentally keep web users stuck in IRC, and also the web chat is just post and get requests now, not websockets
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bret nice
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bret ive only messed with socket.io which has robust disconnect/reconnect logic
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aaronpk yeah i was using plain websockets before, and i thought i had handled all the events but there was some way to close a browser and not trigger the "close" event
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bret socket.io does something with heartbeats.. not sure if related
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aaronpk this whole process has made me think a lot about chat clients/protocols in general tho
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aaronpk i might have a surprising new product launched in the not-so-near future
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GWG aaronpk: Oh?
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aaronpk it's a ways out still
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GWG aaronpk: I always look to you to have done something I have not yet thought about doing, or have thought of, but not gotten to.
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aaronpk I am hoping to at least document some designs for this on the sooner side
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aaronpk this will feature a prominent role https://github.com/aaronpk/QuartzDB
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aaronpk holds his breath
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aaronpk it's alliiiiiiiiveeee
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GWG aaronpk: I don't know what to say to that.
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aaronpk it means anyone using webmention.io is going to be getting new permanent author photo URLs that won't break when people change their profile images
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aaronpk archiving profile images on S3
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aaronpk if you want to know more: https://github.com/aaronpk/ca3db
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 941 karma
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aaronpk that may also be a new record for inception to launch for an idea i've had :D
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[snarfed] how long?
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mblaney hello
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mblaney so after getting sending webmentions working, I've been looking at syndicating posts
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mblaney started with twitter, but quickly realised brid.gy was the way to go
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mblaney :-)
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mblaney so I signed up to brid.gy, which looks great but is telling me I need webmention support.
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: you need webmention support to get backfeed of replies from syndicated posts
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mblaney I guess that means I need to be able to receive webmentions?
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KartikPrabhu you can still publish using bridgy
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mblaney ah I see I just need to reauthorise
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mblaney I entered a post to check out the preview, and the webmention command line it provides is what I was after. very helpful!
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mblaney thanks brid.gy people :-)
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snarfed mblaney: welcome!
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: yeah those are snarfed and kylewm
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snarfed you too a bit KartikPrabhu! https://github.com/snarfed/granary/graphs/contributors
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mblaney thanks to all of you then :-)
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KartikPrabhu oh! well glad to help :)
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mblaney snarfed if I publish a post with a p-name, brid.gy selects that instead of e-content is that correct? (for sending to twitter anyway...)
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snarfed mblaney: yup. https://www.brid.gy/about#microformats
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snarfed you can avoid that by omitting p-name for notes (ie tweets)
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mblaney ah, thanks. I have read that page a few times now, but there's a lot to take in....
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mblaney yes it's optional from my posting interface, but I guess I need to work on when I should POSSE to twitter or not.
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mblaney hmmm it seems brid.gy is using any test inside an h-entry rather than looking for e-content?
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mblaney s/test/text
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Loqi mblaney meant to say: hmmm it seems brid.gy is using any text inside an h-entry rather than looking for e-content?
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snarfed mblaney: shouldn't be
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snarfed looking
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mblaney thanks Loqi (and snarfed)
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Loqi you're welcome
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snarfed click any on the log links under https://www.brid.gy/twitter/malcolmblaney#publishes (e.g. X minutes ago), you can see the gory details of what it parsed and did
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mblaney great, thanks snarfed
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mblaney this url: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1440481555&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lycQsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiSmh0dHBzOi8vdW5pY3ljbGljLmNvbS9tYWwvMjAxNS0wNS0yOC1QUEtfd3JpdGVzX2FuX2ludGVyZXN0aW5nX3Bvc3RfYWJvdXRfDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgIDyiAoM
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mblaney ...says that my item is an h-entry?
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snarfed yup, and also that it found that content property
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snarfed mf2 parsers have some extra logic about implying property values (among other things)...might be that
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snarfed details somewhere around http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2
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snarfed (bridgy uses https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py )
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mblaney ok I'll look into it.
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mblaney under properties it gets content right, but I don't understand what the "name" field is.
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snarfed ah. that may be extracted from text when not explicitly set
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snarfed (i'm not an mf2 expert)
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mblaney but if I set it, won't bridgy use the p-name instead of the e-content?
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snarfed yes. just use class="p-name e-content" to set both to the same thing
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mblaney ah that makes sense. thanks.
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pfefferle good morning all
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Loqi pfefferle: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: hey guys! semantic-linkbacks isn't finding author pictures any more for me. :/ e.g. https://snarfed.org/2015-08-20_15271 not sure if it's wordpress 4.3 or new semantic-linkbacks changes or both. any ideas? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440358650205
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Loqi pfefferle: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: (i'm on pfefferle's fork) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440358658777
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Loqi pfefferle: [snarfed] left you a message 1 day, 8 hours ago: never mind, false alarm. css bug on my part. maybe due to changed classes http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440368377063
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tantek good morning pfefferle!
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pfefferle good morning tantek
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pfefferle has to keep up with salmentions
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tantek considers line-by-line processing in auto_link
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tantek considers a separate function for auto_space
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tantek.com edited /note (+6) "/* IndieWeb Whitespace Examples */ bold kartik" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk,KartikPrabhu would you have any interest in using an auto_space function that turned line-breaks into <br/>s and both leading and multiple whitespace characters into &nbsp; to mimic white-space:pre-wrap but with markup?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu Loqi last message please
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: would you have any interest in using an auto_space function that turned line-breaks into <br/>s and both leading and multiple whitespace characters into &nbsp; to mimic white-space:pre-wrap but with markup? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-25/line/1440488504381
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Loqi who, me?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I am not very bothered by white-space handling actually
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KartikPrabhu I haven't found any instance of my responses that cause me concern about white space
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KartikPrabhu though I would think it is more an issue for /readers
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes that's the point - for people (i.e. your friends) reading your posts in a /reader
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KartikPrabhu yes possibly. But afaik no one but kylewm reads my posts in a reader :)
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tantek I bet aaronpk does too ;)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: but in general I agree it would be good to have a consensus about how to read white-spaced posts
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tantek KartikPrabhu: my current thinking is to suggest treating p-content (plain value) and e-content (HTML) differently
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek that is, preserving whitespace in display for p-content (plain value), but not e-content (HTML)
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tantek (which would break display of my current notes, hence I'm looking to fix that first)
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KevinMarks that broadly makes sense
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KevinMarks but we do need to think about implied name
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KartikPrabhu distinguish depending on using the content property directly vs content>value?
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tantek content property either just has a plain text string, or has that in a "value" and "HTML"
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tantek whoa just found an aaronpk note POSSEd to an Amazon review!
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tantek http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/23/1/echo
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tantek what is Amazon
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Loqi Amazon is a company that sells various products and services, in particular several hosting services like S3 and EC2 that may be used for various indieweb site features https://indiewebcamp.com/amazon
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KartikPrabhu yes. so if using content as plain string do some auto_space or if using ceontent as HTML don't?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no auto_space is what you would need to generate e-content as HTML
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KartikPrabhu oh so use it on publishing side?
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tantek if all you serve is p-content, then you're indicating to readers that they should preserve your whitespace with e.g. white-space:pre-wrap
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tantek correct
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tantek just as I (we?) currently use auto_link on the publishing side
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tantek hmm - Amazon is also a review silo
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KartikPrabhu Goodreads is owned by Amazon now
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KartikPrabhu tantek: re auto_space on publishing side, it might make authoring more tricky as one has to remember the mapping while writing a note. I'd rather my note be displayed using pre-wrap
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KartikPrabhu of course, that is a preference without data
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tantek no the point is you should not have to remember any mapping while authoring
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tantek it should just "work" to preserve what you type when you're authoring
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tantek that's a reasonable expectation of an auto_space implementation
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KartikPrabhu hmm in that case some one should code it and iterate according to authoring experience :)
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KevinMarks also, if tantek does add it to cassis we can implement live preview in client-side js
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes that's my thinking too.
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tantek currently I'm thinking of adding it as a separate function
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tantek rather than adding it as an optional feature in auto_link
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KartikPrabhu seperate functions are better than adding it into a lib
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tantek because the processing is very different
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tantek it is a lib :P
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tantek (cassis.js that is)
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KartikPrabhu hmm I don't use cassis.js in any case. But I am in favor of having separate functions that others can iterate upon
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tantek.com edited /Amazon (+494) "expand dfn, review silo, add POSSE to section, indieweb examples, aaronpk, citations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /note (+442) "/* IndieWeb Whitespace Examples */ add aaronpk examples" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu, one interesting challenge (looking ahead just a bit) is linebreak / auto-link interaction per my proposed improvements upon markdown linking syntaxes: http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#Hyperlinkswithlinktext
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tantek I definitely get the feeling I'm building a markdown replacement piece by piece in CASSIS
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tantek KartikPrabhu: would appreciate your opinions of http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#Hyperlinkswithlinktext
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I am mostly not a fan of "simplified markup" syntaxes. Plaintext or HTML has been my POV; except when I have to resort ot Latex
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I too am mostly not a fan of "simplified markup" syntaxes
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tantek hence why I'm approaching it from a very "looks good in its plain text form regardless" perspective
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tantek (unlike some of the garbage in markdown)
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KartikPrabhu progressively enhanced text! I like it as a concept but I think markdown was also started with the same goal
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KartikPrabhu ref: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
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KartikPrabhu " The idea is that a Markdown-formatted document should be publishable as-is, as plain text, without looking like it’s been marked up with tags or formatting instructions."
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tantek KartikPrabhu: see top of http://tantek.com/w/Markdown :)
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tantek in particular: http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#Markdownprinciples :D
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KartikPrabhu of course not criticising Markdown principles. but somewhere down the line it got out of Gruber's control
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tantek I'm pretty sure I did the proper "go back to first principles" thing and came to a different conclusion that daringfireball
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tantek I think Gruber himself sacrificed that principle even with just markdown hyperlinking syntax
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KartikPrabhu but if a nice plain text to HTML convention was made, I'd certainly give it a serious thought
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tantek ok!
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tantek that's the point of http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#Modestsolutionssummary
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah, the hyperlink syntax in Markdown is pretty hard to remember
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tantek exactly
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tantek that alone is sufficient justification to dump markdown
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KartikPrabhu auto_link is defintely better than Markdown
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KartikPrabhu it was a conscious decision on my part to not use markdown for authoring notes. plaintext for notes (with auto link) and HTML for articles
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KartikPrabhu or RST which seems more convoluted
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KevinMarks tease Bob Metcalfe, get link slapped https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/636088673818116096
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@kevinmarks @benthompson @smc90 plotting revenue vs userbase and curve fitting seems like one way to resolve Odlyzko vs @BobMetcalfe (twitter.com/_/status/636088673818116096)
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KartikPrabhu well... the word law is overused in computer science ;)
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KartikPrabhu actually that is mostly how I distinguish whether to post a note or an article. Is is writeable in plain text
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KartikPrabhu and is it long and last-able
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tantek KartikPrabhu: my goal is to preserve that "writeable in plain text" aspect
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tantek and basically I'm asking you if you think any of http://tantek.com/w/Markdown#Modestsolutionssummary violates that
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KartikPrabhu tantek: 4,5,8 seems the hardest
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KartikPrabhu also I use <em> a lot; more that <strong> actually
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KartikPrabhu I have been thinking about good footnotes markup myself but haven't figured out a solution yet
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KartikPrabhu also why the preference to use RST type syntax for headings?
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KartikPrabhu written notes style?
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tantek RST type?
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KartikPrabhu as in title with underlines
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tantek 4 is not hard - already implemented in auto_link
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tantek 5 is definitely hard
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tantek 8 I just realized I'm not sure about because what about nested lists
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KartikPrabhu that's why white-spacing is complicated. lots of conventions use white -space for different thing
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KartikPrabhu alright sleepy time
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KartikPrabhu night Loqi
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atomicules.co.uk edited /note (+402) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add atomicules as an example" (view diff)
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@CodebarBrighton RT @adactio: Come to the 2nd Homebrew Website Club meetup in Brighton this Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/636112726847262720)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/fOzNVd7ZrgHhlDB-QCiAkQ
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atomicules.co.uk edited /bookmark (+443) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add atomicules as an example" (view diff)
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@marcthiele If you're using @getkirby and want to use #webmentions, here is a ready made plugin by @bastianallgeier. https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirby-webmentions #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/636126152143294464)
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Loqi [mention] codebar Brighton reposted a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/Ec_G92zym-4OQUkwvbD7WA
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Loqi [mention] JimDabell liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/jqjhhpqahFdnzeDl4DQbgg
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@gamamb @elfpavlik @CrosscloudOrg @unhosted @MyCozyCloud @redecentralize @ownCloud @withknown @indiewebcamp Thanks! Posted on @fossjobs_net. (twitter.com/_/status/636138104437493760)
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GWG Morning
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pfefferle good morning GWG
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+1659) "/* event posts */ POSSE events use-cases with specific per use-case with conditionals POSSE destinations" (view diff)
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GWG pfefferle: Hate to be a bother, but asking about Semantic Linkbacks again.
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snarfed GWG: pfefferle: ooh me too! can't wait to see the repos merge :P
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pfefferle GWG snarfed what do you mean
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GWG pfefferle: I just wanted an updated WordPress.org. snarfed wants salmentions
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pfefferle oh, ok the update is no problem the salmention is one… the code of acegiak is far away from beeing productive… a lot of var_dumps and other debug stuff
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indie-visitor /nick olleolleolle-faktiskt
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jonnybarnes hey guys
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tantek hey jonnybarnes - no guys here just people ;)
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jonnybarnes how about “hey peeps”?
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tantek seems like a reasonable abbr
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jonnybarnes or of course p4e
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Jeena hm, is bridgy only sending a webmention to the first link in a facebook event? https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1440519867&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySwsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIj10YWc6ZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLDIwMTM6MTAxNTk0ODE2NTEwNjU4N19yc3ZwXzEwMTUyNzA1ODkxMTQ4MzU2DA
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Jeena this has both links as u-in-reply-to https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/728407677/1015948165106587/10152705891148356 but only the second is send somehow
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davidpeach afternoon all!
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gRegorLove Hi davidpeach o/
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davidpeach ello o/
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gRegorLove So I'm experimenting with a list of links to people who 'liked' a post, with a star icon. http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/sesame-street-brought-to-you/
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gRegorLove I still need to do some re-processing of wm on there. Aaron's should be a like.
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gRegorLove What is star?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/star
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gRegorLove What is favorite?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/favorite
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gRegorLove hm
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tantek what is a facepile?
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Loqi The Facepile is a design element popularized by Facebook https://indiewebcamp.com/facepile
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tantek well that's not helpful :P
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[snarfed] Jeena: did you add the second link to that FB event after initially creating it? bridgy may have fetched and cached it in between
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gRegorLove namepile
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[snarfed] Jeena: rsvps after you added the second link should be sent to both links (i think)
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gRegorLove I wonder if the p-summary nested in the h-cite on /favorite is causing Loqi not to show the dfn
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davidpeach coincidence - Im adding facepile to my site as we speak
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tantek nice davidpeach !
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Jeena ah ok then I understand [snarfed]
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Jeena and no the rsvp after I added the second link didn't send a webmention to it
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gregorlove.com edited /favorite (+31) "trying explicity p-summary" (view diff)
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Jeena but I will test it in two weeks with the link already there from the beginning :)
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gRegorLove typo rhymes.
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davidpeach really need to tidy up my post UI tonight though. I've found myself adding check boxes for this n that and it's starting to get out of control.
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[snarfed] Jeena: ok. sorry for the trouble! you can use https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls to fill in the missing RSVPs
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Jeena yeah I already did that, no problem, and don't be sorry for putting out an awesome service which I'm using all the time for free, hm I guess I should look for the donate button
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@kevinmarks @timoreilly @Dries the mechanisms for your C scenarios are what we are building in #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636236884490883072)
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Jeena oh damn, there is none, ok then I will check out what ASPCA and/or EFF are
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[snarfed] aww thanks. or just send a PR! :P
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Jeena hehe yeah, money is always the easy answer for those who have it :-p
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[kylewm] snarfed: there does seem to be something wrong there, it thinks it finds two original posts, but only sends wm's to one of them
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[kylewm] "https://www.facebook.com/1015948165106587 has 2 original post URL(s): <https://jeena.net/events/2> <http://tantek.com/2013/332/b1/homebrew-website-club-n>"
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Jeena ok now I donated a small amount of money and perhaps in the future I will be able to make some pr
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[kylewm] snarfed: Jeena: ok I think I get it. Because the Response["invited"] was created when the event was first processed, the Response object still has the one original URL. then when it changes from invited to Response["rsvp-maybe"], it doesn't check again for new original URLs
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davidpeach Im off for a run people - wish me luck! Speak later.
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GWG I've been thinking about this since yesterday. Shiu
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[snarfed] kylewm yup that's it :/
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GWG Should I build display functionality with no built in post UI
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[snarfed] Jeena++ for donating!
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Loqi Jeena has 19 karma
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[snarfed] GWG: sure! i author a decent amount of indieweb/mf2 stuff as raw html, with no dedicated ui
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[snarfed] "manual until it hurts"
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GWG snarfed, I am thinking of post types where the post UI could be Micropub
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GWG For example, Teacup. I don't have a built in UI for food
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Jeena I always do: rails generate scaffold events title:string from:datetime to:datetime description:text geo:string address:string
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Jeena which generates the UI for me :-p
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Jeena and the database and the model, etc. too obviously
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GWG I'm just seeing a bunch of Micropub clients that could do the work for me.
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GWG So, I suppose that the question is more built in UI
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GWG The Independent part of me hates to rely on third parties 100%
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kylewm GWG: I think the next iteration of blog thing I write will not have its own post UI (and I know aaronpk is moving that way too)
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aaronpk yeah, i'm not building a posting UI for my new site
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 54 minutes ago: would you have any interest in using an auto_space function that turned line-breaks into <br/>s and both leading and multiple whitespace characters into &nbsp; to mimic white-space:pre-wrap but with markup? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-25/line/1440488504381
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aaronpk just going to use Quill and stuff
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aaronpk well that's a thought
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GWG aaronpk: But you are Quill
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk and you can too
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GWG I suppose that anyone can self host.
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aaronpk and if you don't like quill you can build your own. the point is I think there is a benefit of separating those components even if you build both yourself
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kylewm "I am Quill and so can you" by aaronpk
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GWG aaronpk, I am thinking of more than myself. People already find Indieweb and WordPress confusing
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aaronpk i'm rebuilding my site from scratch, but the cool thing is I won't need to rebuild Teacup or Quill to work with my new site
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GWG On the other hand, I can get more functionality faster by not building a post UI now.
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GWG Nothing says that I can't do it later.
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tantek.com edited /jam (+1) "/* = David Shanske */ +=" (view diff)
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@t ♫ https://vimeo.com/68515433 @ThisIsMyJam is freezing soon. So “Open up”: post jams to your #indieweb ... http://tantek.com/2015/237/t1/open-up-post-jams-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636249541658939392)
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@t_silos ♫ http://t.co/PB1Kz1RsAY @ThisIsMyJam is freezing soon. So “Open up”: post jams to your #indieweb site: https://… ♫ http://www.thisismyjam.com/t/_afor1gl?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=sharing&utm_campaign=user (twitter.com/_/status/636249921419612161)
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KartikPrabhu pretty neat UI: http://www.jonikorpi.com/zoomable-ui-for-the-web/
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KartikPrabhu press ESC to zoom out to homepage
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KartikPrabhu not a fan of "looks like an app" idea though
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KartikPrabhu tantek: like the "if-your-feed-reader-displays-this ..." class :)
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loqi.me created /Yelp (+68) "prompted by kylewm and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /Yelp (+184) "add POSSE example" (view diff)
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aaronpk avatar URLs from webmention.io are now on that domain!
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@reinergaertner RT @osvik: Why the independent web matters? It gives you control and longevity for your content http://www.digitalactivist.net/articles/why-the-independent-web-matters/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636258768855109632)
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kylewm aaronpk: only for new comments?
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aaronpk yeah
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kylewm ah, cool
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aaronpk I could go back and try to archive old ones, but i haven't yet
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kylewm aaronpk++ such a good idea
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Loqi aaronpk has 942 karma
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kylewm (the content addressable cache that is)
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk I'm pretty happy with it
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aaronpk finally found an appropriate use for content-addressable storage and Lambda!
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@iamaegibson I gotta sit down and hack gnu.fm http://tantek.com/2015/237/t1/open-up-post-jams-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/636263338570350592)
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pfefferle GWG updates are online, sorry for the delay
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@kevinmarks RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/636264483657113600)
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aaronpk kylewm: running import on all old avatars!
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Loqi [mention] Kevin Marks reposted a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/EjNKCUCmDZtkuLVI1WcacQ
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@MartianOdyssey SInce starting wk on my new blogging website, have become #indieweb aware. Definitely avoiding #WordPress route now. https://twitter.com/t/status/635821091584389120 (twitter.com/_/status/636267961016274944)
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Loqi [mention] Justin Johansson liked a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/LNLQhOG-uphmVtVaDjuACA
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KevinMarks interesting: http://buytaert.net/digital-distributors-vs-open-web-who-will-win
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GWG pfefferle: Not a problem. Thank you though. I've been eagerly awaiting this. It allows me to do several things
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davidpeach hey y'all im back
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KevinMarks that zoomable ui is a bit like what reveal.js does eg http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html
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KevinMarks if you esc there you get a slide overview
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@DigestWordpress RT @MartianOdyssey: SInce starting wk on my new blogging website, have become #indieweb aware. Definitely avoiding #WordPress route now. ht… (twitter.com/_/status/636282162195464192)
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aaronpk kylewm: what do you think about adding twitter support to silo.pub?
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kylewm aaronpk: I'm into it, just need to figure out how to make a fake profile page that points to the right authorization_endpoint and stuff
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aaronpk ah right
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KevinMarks hm, isn't this the "if there's native auth, don't do the rel-me auth dance" issue?
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aaronpk no, that's solved
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tantek KartikPrabhu: when did you notice it? (the class name :) )
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KevinMarks it is?
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KevinMarks I should try silo.pub again
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Loqi agreed.
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aaronpk it's pretty slick
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KevinMarks oh yes
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KevinMarks kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 220 karma
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KevinMarks very nice
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KevinMarks http://shinynewtest.blogspot.com/2015/08/a-fresh-page-to-post-to.html
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kylewm aaronpk: do you have a use case for silo.pub / twitter?
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aaronpk it came up just now from rhiaro but then I realized I would totally use it too
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aaronpk wanting an easier way to post to the twitter api
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rhiaro to auto posse to twitter via micrpub
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aaronpk i mean it doesn't really have to be micropub, but might as well be
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cleverdevil it'd be nice to have an IFTTT-like micropub endpoint
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pfefferle GWG you said that before, sorry again
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aaronpk cleverdevil: what do you mean?
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cleverdevil basically, a hub for all POSSE activities based upon rules.
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pfefferle GWG I am also working on my local sendmail to check your pull requests
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cleverdevil I suppose that Known could kind of be that...
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cleverdevil but, its all pretty manual right now.
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tridnguyen I have a question about indieauth.com
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aaronpk sure
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tridnguyen does it matter if the user's domain is http or https?
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aaronpk if you redirect http to https then it doesn't
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aaronpk but if the page is served from both then they are treated as different URLs
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tridnguyen I see
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tridnguyen so at step 4 here https://indieauth.com/developers, I should store the full domain as returned from the successful response as the user's identity?
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aaronpk the full URL, not just the domain, since some people sign in with a URL that includes a path
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tridnguyen so indieauth would normalize whether the user enters mydomain.com or http://mydomain.com?
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aaronpk it adds http if they don't enter a scheme
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tridnguyen I see
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tridnguyen makes sense :)
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aaronpk I would like to think so :)
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tridnguyen heh - thanks a lot
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tridnguyen I just tried out indieauth today for myself - really like it alot
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tridnguyen didn't know about it before
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aaronpk cool! how did you find it?
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tridnguyen I saw it on Kickball/awesome-selfhosted
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tridnguyen btw, the code that is returned from indieauth in step 3, that is only to verify in step 4? should it be stored as session token?
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aaronpk the code is a one-time use thing
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aaronpk makes a note to clarify that in the docs
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tridnguyen so the user would need to log in every time they come to a site that uses indieauth?
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aaronpk no, you can set your own server-side cookie at that point
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tridnguyen with a session token?
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aaronpk yeah however you want
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tridnguyen I see
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aaronpk it would be like if they had entered a username and password, how would you "log them in"
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@EmLindley RT @idworkshop: Earlybird prices for Internet Identity Workshop (Oct 27-29) end next Friday. Register now! #identity #indieweb #vrm http://… (twitter.com/_/status/636296783556182016)
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@Hackage indieweb-algorithms 0.1.0, added by myfreeweb: A collection of implementations of IndieWeb algorithms. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/indieweb-algorithms-0.1.0?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/636298464746319872)
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tantek what is Kickball?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Kickball" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1026
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kylewm Kickball is just some guy's github username https://github.com/Kickball
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aaronpk oh https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted
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tantek it's like someone's personal indieweb tools wiki page?
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aaronpk looks like one page in a series of "awesome" tools of various sorts
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KartikPrabhu tantek: noticed classname this morning on Feedly
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tantek heh
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tantek I didn't realize you used Feedly
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KartikPrabhu yeah I do after Google Reader shutdown
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KevinMarks hm, just read http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/
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KevinMarks did he really mean to suggest replacing DNS with js-based lookup on a single site?
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KevinMarks it's one of those posts where I should respond but it woudl take ages
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KevinMarks and be read by 3 people maybe
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tantek yea I kind of feel the same way
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aaronpk omg this script has been importing 2000 avatars per hour for the past 3 hours
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kylewm hehe, you could probably roast marshmallows over its cpu
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kylewm also, any chance Lambda will notice that you are doing a whole bunch of SHA1 calculations and think you are mining bitcoins?
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[snarfed] probably i/o bound :P
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[snarfed] i wonder if there's some side channel to determine when a cpu is doing specific kinds of computation like hashing... but probably very difficult
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[aaronpk] Well I'm only making one request at a time, and each takes 1-2 seconds. Not sure if that's because of the sha calculation or just the network requests
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[aaronpk] Hah I wonder how many bitcoins you could mine on their free tier. They probably thought of that already tho.
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KevinMarks what do you have to sha1 for?
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typhoo #r_netsec
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GWG I'm going to keep working on that, but anyone have comments on the Why?