#indiewebcamp 2015-08-24

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mblaney ...missed creating a user page in the IndieMark list
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KevinMarks OT, but anyone want to proofread a post of mine before I share it more widely?
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KevinMarks http://www.headsuptutoring.com/sesame-street
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: looks good.
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KartikPrabhu more inline research links might be good; but that depends on your audience
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KevinMarks I cna do those as follows if need be
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KevinMarks I was trying to be less link dense than usual for me - more Buzzfeedy
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aaronpk KevinMarks: this is hilarious
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KevinMarks I've ranted about this for years, thought I'd write it up, especially as rosie is looking for reading therapy student
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aaronpk the phrase "the letters only matter for reading as they make up the sounds of English" is awkward, I don't really understand what it is getting at
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aaronpk also maybe put a "." after the numbers in the header? the font makes the first header look like "I Always"
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KevinMarks ah, thanks
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KevinMarks hm, I'm tryign not to get too into how phonemes are mapped into letters here.
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KevinMarks I coudl link to this maybe? http://www.headsuptutoring.com/sound-picture
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aaronpk my linguistics background really wanted you to go deep into that
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks I may do more geek-out posts on that
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KevinMarks 'there are 44 phonemes in English, but only 40 in california' could be fun
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KevinMarks the book I link at the bottom is really good
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aaronpk if you include that fact you have to link to something, but it's hilarious so you should
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KevinMarks no /o/ (only /aw/) no /wh/, no /t/ (only /d/) and whats the other one?
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aaronpk there's still /t/ just not in some cases
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KevinMarks I may do a separate post about that - it has been odd when rosie teaches /o/
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KevinMarks because they can't hear it
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colintedford.com created /impressum (+23) "redirect to Impressum b/c of course humans, not computers, should do this sort of tedious busywork" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Help:Editing (+355) "Added Redirects b/c I never remember how (despite needing it so often to fix Mediwiki's case-sensitivity) & have seen the question multiple times in chat." (view diff)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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Zegnat good morning tantek!
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Zegnat Welcome to CET, I guess :)
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voxpelli good morning!
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voxpelli So – how to add a HWC-event to the wiki? Just add it under the relevant date + as an up and coming city to the general page? Jeena, tantek?
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tantek voxpelli: two choices - same date as the "usual" HWC - in which case just add your city to the existing event page
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voxpelli tantek: going to be the same date as the rest – this wednesday in Malmö
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tantek or second, if you're picking a different date, then clone an existing HWC event page, change details as needed for yours, and add it to the index on /Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek ok great - that's better - same date
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tantek everywhere you see the cities listed in https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club , add an entry for Malmö!
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+110) "Göteborg RSVP section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+23) "/* Notes */ Göteborg" (view diff)
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tantek there I made Göteborg consistent :)
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tantek all yours voxpelli !
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voxpelli adding Malmö then :)
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tantek oh dear, made the mistake of attempting Google maps with js disabled and got: "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page."
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tantek what is js;dr?
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr
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kodfabrik.se edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+464) "Adding Malmö as a HWC location" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+182) "web app examples, google maps, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /longevity (+7) "/* See Also */ archival" (view diff)
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tantek pretty amazing that we're going to have two Sweden locations for HWC this week!
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kodfabrik.se edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+203) "Adding Malmö as a HWC-city" (view diff)
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voxpelli tantek: all done adding now :)
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tantek voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 39 karma
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voxpelli tantek: and Malmö is basically Copenhagen as well so Denmark almost has one also ;)
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tantek how long is the ferry?
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voxpelli it's 20.30 minutes by train over a bridge
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voxpelli s/20.30/20-30/
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Loqi !calc s/20.30/20-30/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: it's 20-30 minutes by train over a bridge
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tantek hey that's not bad at all!
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@ThatEmil Hey! Me and @voxpelli are starting a Homebrew Website Club in Malmö. First meetup is on wednesday, at @inuse_swe! https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/635744008128602112)
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Zegnat is applying for a job in Copenhagen
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tantek voxpelli: be sure to take a photo of your first HWC!
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#HWC_Group_Photo
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voxpelli tantek: will do!
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@elfpavlik http://crosscloud.org/jobs/ @CrosscloudOrg Pls RT! @unhosted @MyCozyCloud @redecentralize @fossjobs_net @ownCloud @withknown @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/635759951865057280)
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elf-pavlik jancborchardt, slvrbckt ^
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Loqi elf-pavlik: colintedford left you a message 4 days, 11 hours ago: Did any of the issue-tracker brainstorming starting at http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-17#t1431887181504 get into the wiki? I didn't see anything in search for "issue tracker", there' no "issue" page (& search results are of course noisy); nothing linked from /Github . http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-19/line/1440025491165
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Loqi elf-pavlik: colintedford left you a message 3 days, 10 hours ago: I stubbed /issue-tracker . Haven't captured your brainstorming there yet. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-20/line/1440113389545
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elf-pavlik colintedford++
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Loqi colintedford has 6 karma
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elf-pavlik ben_thatmustbeme, looks like colintedford also considers tracking issues as social online activity :) http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-08-20/line/1440084660731
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jancborchardt elf-pavlik: sounds _exactly_ like unhosted/remoteStorage? cc raucao
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elf-pavlik jancborchardt, I find it much more likely to get adoption than http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dejong-remotestorage-04
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elf-pavlik jancborchardt, please circulate this job offer among your friends who would like to work on open source / open standards / decentralized apps
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elf-pavlik like https://github.com/linkeddata/SoLiD#applications
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adactio.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+311) "/* Homebrew Website Club Meetup */ Brighton" (view diff)
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Jeena joskar, are you in town this week? https://jeena.net/notes/422
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tantek whoa 5 cities for a HWC - that might be a record
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Jeena I just hope that I'll not be alone at mine, because then it doesn't count :p
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rhiaro.co.uk created /events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+2022) "Edinbrah" (view diff)
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rhiaro Thought I'd get in on that
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tbrb Oh, I've been signed up for this week's already, thanks rhiaro :P
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rhiaro oh sorry tbrb, copied from last week's, forgot about that
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tbrb no worries, I was about to add myself anyway
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astronaut-wannabe.com edited /js;dr (+92) "/* Web App Examples */ added example of psmag.com" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+618) "/* Planning Questions */ add how to add to wiki, subheads for questions" (view diff)
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tantek rhiaro: now that you have a feel for HWC Edinburgh - would you like me to add to the Mozilla event announcements?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+186) "add placeholders for Sept and Oct HWC" (view diff)
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rhiaro tantek: What is the purpose of that?
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tantek it gets announced in the weekly public Mozilla project meeting
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tantek which is viewed by Mozilla folks worldwide
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tantek it's a way to promote IndieWebCamp related events to a lot of people passionate about the open web
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rhiaro are there Mozilla people in Edinburgh?
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rhiaro I knew one, but I think he moved
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tantek maybe?
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rhiaro okay then
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tantek rhiaro: here you go: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/edinburgh/ ;)
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rhiaro I can look out of my window for that :)
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tantek right, that's for in your windows ;)
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tantek just saying perhaps that's a source of Mozilla Edinburgh people
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+51) "/* Adding to the wiki */ follow Events#How_To_Add_An_Event" (view diff)
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tantek !tell voxpelli captured your question, expanded a bit: https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Adding_to_the_wiki
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena hehe ok, RSVP via facebook but at least one other person is coming to HWC GOT
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tantek Jeena: could you link to that FB event for Göteborg similar to how the other cities link to theirs? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#G.C3.B6teborg
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Jeena yeah good idea
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+94) "/* Göteborg */ facebook link" (view diff)
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Jeena btw. making a good event UI isn't that easy
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Jeena and I still wasn't able to figure out the timezone stuff in rails
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joskar.se edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Göteborg */ joskar RSVP" (view diff)
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joskar Jeena: I haven't had time to make much progress, but I'll show up anyway ;)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+92) "/* Upcoming */ lots more cities this week" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+34) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ add more cities, Edinburgh the next night" (view diff)
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voxpelli tantek++
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: captured your question, expanded a bit: https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Adding_to_the_wiki http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-24/line/1440420384357
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Loqi tantek has 231 karma
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Jeena joskar, this meetings are there to have the time for progress 2 hours every two weeks ;)
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tantek jeena++
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Loqi jeena has 18 karma
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tantek what is a gallery?
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Loqi A gallery is a deliberately curated set of photos, that may itself be a post, or an archive view, or potentially dynamically created via tags https://indiewebcamp.com/gallery
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tantek hmm https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/635798618046226433
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@benwerd @cleverdevil This is probably our single most requested feature. Hadn't seen this gallery before - will take a look! @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/635798618046226433)
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@voxpelli This Wednesday me and @ThatEmil will host Malmö's first Homebrew Website Club! We'll be at @inUse_swe, join us! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635800937173487616)
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@indiewebcamp @benwerd @cleverdevil see also: https://indiewebcamp.com/gallery and please add more thoughts/links e.g. @withknown "itch". ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/635801304846192640)
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tantek.com edited /gallery (+17) "/* See Also */ see also collection" (view diff)
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tantek alright everyone, now the HWC is growing across so many cities - question - how should we list the cities in the sidebar?
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tantek alphabetical? by timezone (earliest first) ? other ordering?
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Jeena I think alphabetical
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Jeena either that or by age
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tantek age won't seem obvious
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-6) "alphabetical 5 HWC cities" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+57) "nbsps" (view diff)
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tantek alright, let's go with alphabetical
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Jeena &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; haha
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tantek yeah seriously - not sure why the Mediawiki sidebar has "special" rules
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Jeena and even with those, it still looks shitty
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tantek like it can't take markup
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tantek except entities
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Jeena because they thought it will only be one link with one word I guess
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kodfabrik.se edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+137) "Make it extra clear that RSVP on the wiki isn't necessary for Malmö (as we don't have an FB-event we want to ensure we don't scare people off by them believing the wiki is the only place to RSVP and that RSVP is needed)" (view diff)
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voxpelli list alphabetically by country and then city name?
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tantek voxpelli: so America? or USA? ;)
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voxpelli that's how it is ordered on the event pages now I think
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tantek and England or UK? ;)
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Jeena I don't think country is necessary
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tantek the event pages themselves had ordering by approximate #s attending, but Brighton has blown that away
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voxpelli tantek: fits the US view of the world to always be the first – righ? ;) So "America"
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voxpelli England or UK – I guess that's up to rhiaro – is Edinburgh in Scotland or in UK?
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tantek voxpelli: it was until Brighton's first HWC meetup had the biggest attendance so far
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tantek rhiaro: when's the next vote for independence? ;)
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DePhraser Edinburgh is in both technically
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rhiaro voxpelli: Edinburgh is in both
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rhiaro Oh I see
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voxpelli rhiaro: I know – but I feel it's up to the ones living there to pick the one they wants to be listed as :)
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rhiaro Should we compete with Brighton, or team up, is really the question
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tantek home page and sidebar now have alphabetical by city
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tantek as does the IRC topic
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rhiaro This could get political... DePhraser, tbrb, moredhel, anm, KitB, camerongray... do we want to count ourselves in with the rest of UK for purposes of HWC numbers, or stand alone as Scotland?
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DePhraser I'm just lurking at the moment but I would go for UK.
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rhiaro DePhraser: come to Forum on Thursday, 1730
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DePhraser rhiaro: is it usually thursdays?
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rhiaro Yes
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DePhraser I have a thing on Thursdays in Glasgow usually
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DePhraser But ill pop by if I have the evening off.
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rhiaro DePhraser++
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+22) "re-order cities alphabetically" (view diff)
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tantek alright, event updated
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voxpelli tantek: maybe be should remove the "(SWEDEN!)" and add country to the adr/h-adr microformats of each city instead also?
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tantek !tell gRegorLove when you're creating new HWC event pages - please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club - way more cities now, and we're sorting them alphabetically.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek voxpelli: great suggestion - go for it
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voxpelli tantek: didn't do it as I didn't really understand the adr-microformat there (there was eg. no h-adr and lots of microformats1 for some reason?)
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tantek ok I'll take a look :)
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voxpelli microformats1 feels a bit out of place in the indieweb-wiki
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tantek yes I can simplify
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tantek we can keep it just for the top level object - as recommended by modern mf2 practices
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tbrb rhiaro: Are other UK based ones UK or England/Wales etc?
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rhiaro tbrb: Brighton
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rhiaro oh, no, there was no grouping yet
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tbrb cause I'd just follow suit as to what they're doing in terms of what country they're representing
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rhiaro that was being decided
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tbrb ah ok
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tantek take a look at dconstruct.org - what does the markup there say?
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tantek voxpelli: I see what you mean, I'm changing a lot of markup now
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+203) "rewrite some h-cards for the venues" (view diff)
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moredhel rhiaro, what's happening?
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rhiaro The moment has passed moredhel, don't worry about it
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Jeena I feel discriminated that it says only "Brighton" but it says "Göteborg (SWEDEN!)", I will change that, either we add the country to all or to none
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tantek voxpelli: check out the locations array on the h-event! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club
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tantek Jeena I thought I did fix it - where are you saying
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oddvar it's to differentiate between the many many Göteborgs of the world
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tantek reload
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tantek Jeena - which page are you talking about?
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Jeena much better ÖD
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Jeena http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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tantek yup - just fixed that
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voxpelli tantek: nice!
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Jeena why is the line "new! Portland ..." still there? what is new about it?
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Jeena oh and "All times are Pacific Time unless otherwise noted in venues." is not quite true anymore either
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Jeena perhaps it should say "All times are local time unless otherwise ..."
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tantek thank you Jeena!
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tantek what's new about Portland was that it turned into a hacknight - but that's been true for a while I think
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Jeena voxpelli, I also mentioned your HWC in the "Kodapor" facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/utvecklare.stockholm/permalink/910821005633639/
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voxpelli Jeena: cool!
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tantek Jeena - take a look
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Jeena I only have been in Portland so I did the same in Gothenburg ^^
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Jeena we've been talking and hacking at the same time somehow
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tantek Jeena - that's cool. I'd say whatever works to get more people participating in the meetups.
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Jeena yeah
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tantek Part of the point of the HWC meetups is to make them more accessible to a broader crowd
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tantek e.g. people that might feel uncertain about going to an IndieWebCamp, but are curious about having their own site
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Jeena yeah, I got now the second RVSP from a non indieweb person
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tantek that's good!
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tantek now your challenge is to make them feel welcome, have fun, and come back :)
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Jeena yeah, we'll see how that goes :D
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tantek Jeena - like your blog post said - more diverse than people expect - and let's keep growing it that way!
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: snarfed left you a message on 8/23 at 11:43am: just added an FB API workaround to bridgy that may send you more FB responses on old posts of yours. curious if you see any within the next day or so. enjoy! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440355381370
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: thanks for the heads up
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tantek rhiaro: here's an example for this week's Mozilla project meeting's event listings for HWC this Wednesday: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-08-24#Wednesday.2C_26_August
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tantek I can add it similarly for Edinburgh on Thursday there if you like
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@olleolleolle @voxpelli @ThatEmil Tack, gullosar. Vi kör mer av detta. Tänk ifall vi fick till POSSE för sÃ¥nt här. https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/635817800326610944)
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rhiaro tantek: I don't mind; sure if you think it's useful
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tantek Loqi, translate that to English?
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joskar tantek: Out of context translation: "Thanks, sweeties. We'll do more of this. What if we got POSSE working for things like this."
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voxpelli And that's the Malmö spirit <3
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tantek joskar awesome! totally gets it. our event announcements and invitations themselves should be on our own websites and POSSEd to Twitter
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aaronpk I want to go back to Malmö!
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voxpelli aaronpk: oh, you've been here? Nice!
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tantek hey good morning aaronpk
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tantek voxpelli: me too - ages ago for a W3C meeting
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tantek aaronpk: I just want to point out we have SIX HWC cities this week. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek (new record)
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tantek funny that when listed alphabetically they are grouped by country
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aaronpk six!!
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk voxpelli: yes I gave a talk at Øredev in 2011!
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tantek How indie(web) is your city? 6 cities, 2 each in 3 countries, hosting Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: Brighton, Edinburgh, Götenborg, Malmö, Portland, and San Francisco.
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voxpelli aaronpk: nice! it's only got better since – the guy who organized Øredev in those days decided that a single conference a year was boring – he wanted a conference during all days of the years – so now he's organizing probably an average of one event per work day :)
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aaronpk hah
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tantek now to fit that into a retweetable POSSEable tweet
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voxpelli tantek: Emojis is the answer to all lifes challenges
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@t How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635821091584389120)
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@davidmead RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635821319620198400)
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635821958588932096)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/hwgAXp74peoi66MiDyM8jw
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Loqi [mention] IndieWebCamp and David Mead reposted a post that linked to an event: Homebrew
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Loqi [mention] Ron K Jeffries and Arturo Perez F. liked a post that linked to an event: Homebrew
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aaronpk oboy what is going on there
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tantek lolol
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aaronpk that was https://webmention.io/notification/vt2g2IZarXXg2d7MkEMScw
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aaronpk i wonder if it's triggering some sort of irc control characters
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aaronpk I can't think of a reason it would be cut off like that
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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voxpelli olleolleolle-hej: welcome Olle!
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@awoods RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635824014070452225)
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olleolleolle-hej voxpelli: trying to get a User:olleolleolle page on the website. I used a indieauth to log in. How is my name / page name chosen?
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voxpelli I'm not sure :P Can't remember how I got mine – but typically it's the same as your domain
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aaronpk usernames on the wiki are always the URL you sign in as
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olleolleolle-hej voxpelli: ollehost.dk/blog is the page I chose to be my indieauth page.
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Loqi Ron K Jeffries and Arturo Perez F. liked a post that linked to an event: Homebrew
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olleolleolle-hej aaronpk: So, a good idea would be to make my top-level page my indieauth /me page.
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voxpelli olleolleolle-hej: yes :)
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Loqi Ron K Jeffries and Arturo Perez F. liked a post that linked to an event: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://webmention.io/notification/vt2g2IZarXXg2d7MkEMScw
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tantek rhiaro: added Edinburgh: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-08-24#Thursday.2C_27_August
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olleolleolle-hej voxpelli: Is it enough with a couple of rel=me links?
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voxpelli olleolleolle-hej: as long as you don't chain them – if IndieAuth.com finds a way to authenticate you with the rel-me:s that's directly on your page (including rel-me that's point to mailto:) then it will work
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (+176) "/* Blog posts */" (view diff)
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Loqi IndieWebCamp and David Mead reposted a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk much better
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tantek yeah!
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Jeena tantek, on the mozilla wiki again, UK, Sweden but no US, not even OR and CA
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Jeena ;)
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aaronpk all caps too haha
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tantek Jeena - yes, that summary is consistent with summary here https://indiewebcamp.com/#Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek when Portland Maine gets a HWC then we can worry about that
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aaronpk it's not, Göteborg is spelled Götenborg on the moz wiki
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tantek oops
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tantek fixed
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aaronpk I was under the impression that Göteborg was the correct spelling and "Gothenburg" is the englishized version
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tantek right
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Jeena yes
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Jeena tantek, that still doesn't explain why some cities have a country added and others not :)
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@aaronpk This is kind of amazing, we have Homebrew Website Club meetups in 6 cities this week! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635830076333027328)
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aaronpk I think the rule should be if the first page of search results for the city name is entirely about that city then you don't need to add a qualifier like state or country :P
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Jeena aaronpk, in which search engine and in whoms searchbubble? ;)
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aaronpk you know what I mean :P
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tantek Jeena - yes the Mozilla weekly meetings are always run from the US, thus the context of US cities is presumed
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tantek I didn't realize there was a pre-existing term "backfeed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backfeeding
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aaronpk oh yeah
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tantek hah it has no sources though! just need to get IndieWeb "backfeed" described in a news article and then ... :D
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@olleolleolle https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc cc @reckseeen, a build-your-own-website club, in our town. (twitter.com/_/status/635834195898695680)
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tantek not bad, indiewebcamp.com/backfeed is 6th in google search for backfeed, and near the top of the SECOND page of Yahoo search
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@benwerd Edinburgh friends: Homebrew Website Club is all about owning your own personal website. You should check it out. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635840032549396480)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki wrote a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/JNgQeWH9MNnmGz3W6CiKxA
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller wrote a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/HX1hehD7vBHOg7KgxXZe_A
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voxpelli Working on making an embed script that progressively enhances "u-responses" into actual lists of responses – so that "u-responses" can link to curlable lists of responses
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voxpelli tantek: we talked about that a while back – then we were talking about using rel:s, but thinking something like "u-responses" works in more scenarios – like lists
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tantek this sounds vaguely familiar
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tantek did we capture anything on the wiki?
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tantek what are responses?
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Loqi A response is a post that is a reaction to another URL https://indiewebcamp.com/responses
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voxpelli tantek: captured it in a GitHub issue: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/18 Don't think it was captured in the wiki
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Loqi [mention] IndieWebCamp and John Rogerson liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-27-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/-cg0NS1mET7tOYgFs4TI6w
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@adactio Come to the 2nd Homebrew Website Club meetup in Brighton this Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635848465768148992)
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@qubyte RT @adactio: Come to the 2nd Homebrew Website Club meetup in Brighton this Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635848792827424768)
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voxpelli the "u-responses" embed is now released and live on https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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voxpelli still very experimental so not pushing anyone else to use it at the moment, but the front page there is using it
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tantek nice!
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aaronpk nice! it needs to be inside an h-entry, otherwise it should be a rel value
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aaronpk otherwise there's no top-level item for the u-responses property to be attached to http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebmention.herokuapp.com%2F
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voxpelli aaronpk: yes, realized that now – poor example – updating my blog to use it as I have h-entry there
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voxpelli perhaps both rel-responses and u-responses would be good to have? one for within microformats and one as a standalone?
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aaronpk possibly! or add h-x-app to the home page
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tantek what is h-x-app?
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Loqi h-x-app is a proposed microformats vocabulary for marking up data about software applications https://indiewebcamp.com/h-x-app
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tantek hmm - but the wiki is not an app!
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aaronpk sure it is
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tantek no - the "app" thing was meant to apply to things you install
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tantek and description thereof on a web page
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tantek e.g. on a store
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk you don't really "install" quill tho, but you can add it to your home screen
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aaronpk one of the main uses for this is showing the name and logo in the indieauth prompt
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tantek aaronpk: https://the-pastry-box-project.net/anne-van-kesteren/2013-december-2
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aaronpk so if the wiki shouldn't have h-x-app then there needs to be a different way for the wiki to indicate its name+logo to indieauth servers
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tantek on install vs bookmark
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tantek reasoning by negative isn't helpful :P
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aaronpk sure, i dont really care to debate semantics of whether bookmarking something makes it an app
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voxpelli I think h-x-app fits a SaaS such as my endpoint
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aaronpk point is it was a ux-driven reason for adding it to the wiki
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tantek but to have every wiki page claim that it is an h-x-app is pretty flawed
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Loqi [mention] Mark Everitt reposted a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/FWh2hU-7Km5-kUTF5lxfPw
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Loqi [mention] B██████ NVK liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/NJMPYfVPbq1kdrtvcB6WFA
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tantek aaronpk - did you capture the use-case / problem description of "there needs to be a different way for the wiki to indicate its name+logo to indieauth servers" anywhere on the wiki?
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tantek s/different//
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - did you capture the use-case / problem description of "there needs to be a  way for the wiki to indicate its name+logo to indieauth servers" anywhere on the wiki?
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tantek I think that's something we should capture in such a way that you can log-in to *any* page, without having to make that page be an "app"
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token#Authorization
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tantek since that's kind of a plumbing thing
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tantek a page is what the page is about, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club is an *event*
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tantek aaronpk, seems more like a page could *link to* such information, rather than having to be such information (the "h-product or h-x-app markup " referred to https://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token#Authorization )
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk i'd really not require yet another http request in that step
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tantek it's much worse to contort every type of content page into being an "app" or a "product"
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tantek because that's obviously not true
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aaronpk one sec
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tantek ok
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kodfabrik.se edited /h-x-app (+17) "Added missing attribute in my descriptions" (view diff)
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tantek welcome back gRegorLove - take a look at how much http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club has changed from previous event pages (subtle but many changes)
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aaronpk okay, h-x-app removed from the global MW template. I moved it to the "Special:IndieAuth" page which is the the redirect_uri and now also the client_id
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@nitot RT @adactio: Come to the 2nd Homebrew Website Club meetup in Brighton this Wednesday: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/635854803571187712)
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Loqi [mention] Shashi Jain and Brian Hendrickson liked an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/trx2yIADUT08qEhSlRus1g
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@LanceCoyote RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635856313965133824)
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voxpelli u-responses live on my blog now: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://voxpelli.com/2014/10/indie-config-overview/
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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voxpelli and progressively enhanced properly
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Loqi gRegorLove: snarfed left you a message on 8/23 at 11:43am: just added an FB API workaround to bridgy that may send you more FB responses on old posts of yours. curious if you see any within the next day or so. enjoy! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440355381370
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 28 minutes ago: when you're creating new HWC event pages - please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club - way more cities now, and we're sorting them alphabetically. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-24/line/1440422851112
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voxpelli with the discoverable link leading to https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/mentions?format=html&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoxpelli.com%2F2014%2F10%2Findie-config-overview%2F
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Loqi [mention] Tristan Nitot and Lance Coyote reposted a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/v5wGA6Ozk2AyOK_8dj5zLA
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Loqi [mention] Tristan Bailey liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/PrAHvgIkF5_iCw3BW-SpNQ
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rhiaro Aaaanyone else getting SSL error with bridgy publish?
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rhiaro panics
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rhiaro I committed to not posting anything to twitter not via bridgy
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rhiaro Now what do I do??
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rhiaro Reauthed a couple of times
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snarfed ruh roh
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snarfed (re the commitment, i vote that posseing manually as a workaround is still fine. the UX and ownyourdata are the important part; plumbing maybe less so :P)
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aaronpk +1 for manual posse as a workaround
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snarfed rhiaro: looks like it worked ok? https://www.brid.gy/twitter/rhiaro#publishes
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aaronpk i've manually posse'd photos a few times cause i still don't have a good flow for that automatically
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rhiaro oh, so it did
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rhiaro panic over
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rhiaro I meant i don't do faves, reposts or replies without bridgy
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rhiaro Normal posts are semi-manual
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rhiaro I wrote the code for bridgy webmentions, but it didn't work and I didn't debug yet
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aaronpk those are harder to posse manually because finding the fav/repost permalink is annoying
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snarfed bridgy publish for interactions makes me sad since support is so inconsistent
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snarfed (only likes on IG, nothing on FB, etc :/ )
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snarfed damn silos
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aaronpk silos gonna silo
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Loqi lolz
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rhiaro more like SIGHlo
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snarfed on the plus side, rhiaro your @-reply is to username emax!!! https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/635863805482786816
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snarfed i hope he uses emacs
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@rhiaro @emax i quit (http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/quit) (twitter.com/_/status/635863805482786816)
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snarfed is an emacs fanboy
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aaronpk rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 150 karma
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rhiaro electronicMax
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rhiaro I actually don't know if he uses emacs
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snarfed make him
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rhiaro haha
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snarfed otherwise he has to give up his username
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rhiaro Fair
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rhiaro He's an indieweb lurker, in that I give him an updated in indieweb whenever I see him, and we get angry about silos together
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rhiaro s/updated in/update on
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: He's an indieweb lurker, in that I give him an update on indieweb whenever I see him, and we get angry about silos together
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snarfed lol
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snarfed rhiaro: that ssl error, did bridgy return a 4xx or 5xx? or some bad UX? let me know if so, happy to investigate
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@karlthepagan @randileeharper federated comment hubs. Use http://indiewebcamp.com platform to replace. Next: block list for bad hubs. (twitter.com/_/status/635865745960779776)
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aaronpk oh snarfed I had to reauth facebook just now, and it sent me a week's worth of mentions! the last bridgy poll got a 500 server error from facebook
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah those were probably just new since you'd been paused for a couple weeks
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aaronpk yeah. didn't realized it had paused!
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snarfed but maybe also some from my fix. it was to handle synd urls with usernames (since FB no longer returns usernames in the API)
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aaronpk i thought bridgy sends me a facebook notification when I need to re-auth. it's also entirely possible i just didn't see that notification
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snarfed hopefully it sent you an FB notif when it paused...?
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snarfed ok yeah
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snarfed i can see if it did
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aaronpk i don't see anything in my notifications list back to aug 1
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snarfed looking
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snarfed (who wants to bet that FB API removed notif support recently :/ )
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rhiaro snarfed: I closed it, sorry, didn't notice the error code
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snarfed rhiaro: np, i'll look
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kylewm hullo
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Loqi kylewm: snarfed left you a message on 8/23 at 11:43am: just added an FB API workaround to bridgy that may send you more FB responses on old posts of yours. curious if you see any within the next day or so. enjoy! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440355381370
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 8/23 at 3:50pm: looks like I'm missing the next HWC too - could you setup a venue for SF for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440370214879
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kylewm snarfed: I haven't seen any newly discovered responses from facebook
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snarfed kylewm: np. it's only for posts with FB synd urls with username instead of user id, and no backlink
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kylewm ah yeah, mine will all have See Original backlinks on them
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kylewm wonders how long that will continue to work now that "See Original" is hidden in the UI
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aaronpk oh did they hide that in the ui?
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aaronpk sadface
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snarfed aha rhiaro i think i see the bug you hit. thanks for reporting
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rhiaro snarfed: great! What was it?
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rhiaro reporting... or complaining.. :)
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kodfabrik.se edited /comments-presentation (+671) "Documenting my u-responses usage in what I believe to probably be the best place at the moment" (view diff)
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voxpelli Who has got Salmentions working?
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voxpelli kylewm: you have got it, right? What do you think about the "u-responses" addition?
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gRegorLove snarfed: Same on FB. My FB status mostly have backlinks.
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snarfed rhiaro: i'll cc you on the gh issue
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kylewm voxpelli: yeah that sounds good. i'll be happy to support u-responses in my salmention implementation
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kylewm does it have to be u-x-responses first though?
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voxpelli oh – do we have something like that to "stage" new properties? never heard of
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aaronpk I would say just go for it with u-responses. I don't really see the expected migration path if everyone starts using u-x-repsonses first
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voxpelli I documented it in the discussions-section so far to highlight that it's experimental
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rhiaro Someone at pub asked "..so what is webmention?". tbrb and KitB answered before I could :D
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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rhiaro THANKS LOQI
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Loqi you're welcome
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voxpelli kylewm: I will look at adding Salmentions support to my endpoint as well so hopefully we could then forward comments back and forth to each other
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voxpelli now when everything is curlable I "just" need to curl it
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kylewm I'm good with skipping the -x- stage too, for the record, but tantek would probably yell at us if he was in his normal timezone :)
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aaronpk i really just don't see how that works out in practice
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aaronpk i would love to be shown how tho
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aaronpk reviews http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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aaronpk no mention of -x- on that page at all
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rhiaro voxpelli, kylewm: any thoughts on u-interactions?
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rhiaro as slightly more broad
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rhiaro than responses
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snarfed deja vu: http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions#Alternatives
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voxpelli rhiaro: I was pretty pro interactions as a general term, but responses felt better here, I don't think I'm really biased any way – not sure really where the community stands inbetween the two either
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voxpelli felt like "responses" has been the more generally used term lately, but not sure
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voxpelli (what I specifically didn't want to do was to use "u-comments" – as that's too close to "u-comment")
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rhiaro yeah, I definitely agree with not using comments
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rhiaro if I was there already, I'd probably go with u-interactions
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rhiaro salmentions is next on my list..
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kylewm u-interactions sorta implies bi-directionality to me
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rhiaro hmm
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voxpelli looking at the link snarfed gave and the votes there interactions seems to have the widest support so changing to that probably makes sense
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rhiaro keep me posted on this, anyway
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voxpelli it's kind of hard to know if u-interactions is interactions _by_ the post or _on_ the post I guess?
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voxpelli by just looking at the name of the property
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voxpelli rhiaro: perhaps add your thoughts as feedback in the discussion on the comments-presentation page?
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rhiaro interactions *by* the post? Not sure what you mean
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rhiaro Sure, I'll add to the wiki page
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rhiaro what is comments-presentation
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation
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rhiaro ta loqi
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voxpelli thinking of the data model of salmentions – it's funny if it gets circular – if the original post updates to mentions one of the replies and then gets included as a response to itself and everything just goes infinite
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gRegorLove The tally of votes for "interactions" vs "responses" on the wiki is actually 5 and 6 respectively
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gRegorLove So "responses" narrowly has more support.
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aaronpk voxpelli: i think it stops after 1, because at some point one of the pages no longer updates
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gRegorLove theoretical support, at least.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: right, thought they were sorted by type so stopped looking after the 0:es
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kylewm is there anything preventing the wiki from redirecting all pages to https?
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gRegorLove I show the heading "Responses" on my articles
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aaronpk kylewm: yes, hotlinked images
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voxpelli aaronpk: whenever you receive a salmention you reping your page, no? so unless you detect that the new comment was from yourself then it would go infinite?
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voxpelli re-ping
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kylewm aaronpk: I don't understand?
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aaronpk voxpelli: you only send out a webmention if your page has updated
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aaronpk if you receive a webmention and don't change the contents of your page, you don't send anything out
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aaronpk salmention is really just a cute term for talking about sending out webmentions when a page is updated
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Loqi [mention] Tristan Bailey reposted a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/P2FMDmZwAp_fsLrgFSu0yA
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Loqi [mention] Mr JEEK & Dr KWOL liked a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/wYzIUmbJAGnzPbFTJMbeAA
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voxpelli aaronpk: but if I support salmentions I include the new post in my comment hierarchy and if the relation is circular then the hierarchy/comment-tree is infinitely deep
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rhiaro I was planning to stop threading at about 3 deep
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aaronpk no it stops
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voxpelli rhiaro: I wonder what eg. Disqus and such does – they stop the tree at a certain level as well
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rhiaro Actually my header is 'Mentions'
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aaronpk if a creates a post that links to b, b displays a's comment under b, then sends a webmention back to a. a looks at page b and sees that it's not a reply to a, so doesn't show it as a comment
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rhiaro aaronpk: a will show it if a has nested threading
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voxpelli aaronpk: salmentions webmentions will trigger new salmentions webmentions until it reaches the original post that the rest was part of a reply-tree to?
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rhiaro Wait
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rhiaro Never mind
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voxpelli I may be missing something
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aaronpk no, you have to go look at what's on the page before deciding to show it as a comment
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rhiaro I'm paying attention to too many things at once
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kylewm.com edited /interactions (+208) "/* Responses */ +1 responses" (view diff)
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aaronpk if you were blindly rendering every webmention without actually parsing it then you might have a problem
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voxpelli if C mentions B mentions A and then A updates to mentions C then A will ping C, which will ping B, which will ping A, which will ping C again etc?
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aaronpk i'm still pretty sure it stops
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rhiaro Need diagrams.
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aaronpk worst case there is a ping at the end that isn't really needed
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voxpelli well, it better stops :) but I think one will have to manually ensure that it does when it finds itself in the loop
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure it doesn't create a loop to begin with
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aaronpk remember you only send a salmention notification if you have updated the post to display another interaction on it. so if you get a webmention that you have either already received, or isn't an interaction, that wouldn't cause the page to be updated and that stops the chain
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gRegorLove This scenario has actually been tested with kylewm and others already, no?
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voxpelli but if A mentions C then A will be a new interaction to C which will travel up the tree and also eventually reach A
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aaronpk gRegorLove: i would think so, except not every player in the currentl implementaions of swat0 actually supports all roles
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gRegorLove I just meant salmentions
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aaronpk yeah, not every salmention implementation supports both sides
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gRegorLove Ah
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not sure i want to support all roles
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't want to write my own reader
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voxpelli "all roles" as in both sending and receiving?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: you don't have to write your own reader to support that role
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aaronpk just have to use one
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kylewm Happy to try the infinite loop case
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ben_thatmustbeme well i have 2 out of 3
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voxpelli ah, all swat0 roles – yeah, I will neither create a reader
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kylewm but i don't think i have previously
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aaronpk voxpelli: but in that case the webmention of C to A would be parsed by A and A would see that the post C *is* the post A linked to, and would stop
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voxpelli aaronpk: C linked to B
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voxpelli I guess it depends on ones data model – one may have implicit protection through some unique index or something
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voxpelli I will probably add explicit checks to ensure it doesn't happen in mine
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KevinMarks hm, medium responses are pretty crap
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KevinMarks I have to 'recommend' responses to make them visible, and a response to a response needs recommending in turn so the therad is not very good
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@ChrisAldrich #DrupalCampLA is nearly here! Have you signed up? The #IndieWeb Movement and Drupal http://2015.drupalcampla.com/sessions/indieweb-movement-and-drupal (twitter.com/_/status/635893979603533825)
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KevinMarks see https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/how-sesame-street-stops-children-from-reading-e6a04c5ac7d6
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[dariusdunlap] kevinmarks: If you follow someone, then you will also see their responses to stuff, whether the original author “recommends” or not. It’s an interesting quandry… how to make a vibrant dialogue while also tamping down “comment spam”-like behaviors. They are trying some interesting things in this regard, though I don’t think they’ve quite got it licked.
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voxpelli it's comments handled in a Twitter way
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KevinMarks but if you respond to a response it's hidden, you need to respond to the original article instead
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voxpelli an indie reader could do the same – filter responses to posts by who one follows
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davidpeach hey y'all
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voxpelli hello
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davidpeach hi voxpelli
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voxpelli KevinMarks: did you have a way to convert an h-feed to an Atom feed? as all webmention lists on my endpoint have h-feeds now I would want to hook mine into IFTTT
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voxpelli to get some push notifications
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[dariusdunlap] I think there’s also a difference between a new article “in response to…”, comment at the end of an article, and the inline per-paragraph comments.
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: hfeed2atom has a "service" example: https://kartikprabhu.com/hfeed2atom?url=https://aaronparecki.com
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KartikPrabhu my server is not reliable with this for some reason though so be careful
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: so it would be okay for me to plug one such feed it into IFTTT?
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snarfed voxpelli: granary can convert mf2 to atom. i haven't exposed that as a service on https://granary-demo.appspot.com/ yet, but i could
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voxpelli snarfed: more such services would be very helpful to plug into old-school services like IFTTT!
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snarfed oh right hfeed2atom! nm, KartikPrabhu's is better than granary since it's exposed
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: https://kartikprabhu.com/hfeed2atom?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebmention.herokuapp.com%2Fapi%2Fmentions%3Fsite%3Dvoxpelli.com%26format%3Dhtml doesn't seems to load :P
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KartikPrabhu except my server coughs up
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voxpelli https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/mentions?site=voxpelli.com&format=html is the standalone URL
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snarfed voxpelli: definitely! granary and http://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ are hopefully usable for that today
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KartikPrabhu yeah I have noticed my server coughing up sporadically
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: "502 – Bad Gateway"
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KartikPrabhu yeah just restarted server
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KartikPrabhu apache
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: like I said as a service hfeed2atom is not reliable as I haven't been able to fix this
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: self-hosted servers are – interesting ;)
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KartikPrabhu will have to do some logs digging to see what's going on
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: if you run python I would recommend that you install hfeed2atom directly
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: I don't :P And all my services run individually on Heroku and are currently Node.js-based :/
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voxpelli so I have no servers to run anything on
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KartikPrabhu i see
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aaronpk noservers++
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Loqi noservers has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu :(
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aaronpk is working on an image proxy hosting thingy that runs in amazon lambda and stores stuff in s3
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snarfed ooh lambda
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snarfed noservers++
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Loqi noservers has 2 karma
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voxpelli hmm – I wonder if Amazon API Gateway + Amazon Lambda could be a pretty sweet combination for a service like this – spin up a worker only when someone is actually fetching the feed
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aaronpk and lambda runs node.js so there's that!
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voxpelli haven't looked into the API Gateway yet, but it looks pretty magical in combination with Lambda
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voxpelli aaronpk: and java!
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KartikPrabhu well there is a server somewhere, you just don't see it
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snarfed we used to joke that app engine launched way too high level and gradually moved downward, and AWS launched way too low level and gradually moved upward
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snarfed with GCE and now lambda, they've fully overlapped each other :P
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk ok fine:
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aaronpk noservermanagement++
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Loqi noservermanagement has 1 karma
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snarfed what are the other karma synonyms we've used...let's see
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snarfed servers--
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snarfed sysadmin--
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Loqi servers has -1 karma
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Loqi too much karma!
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snarfed sysadminning--
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snarfed yeah, figured
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KartikPrabhu well what does one do when the not-managed-server stalls/crashes/has a hiccup?
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snarfed btw aaronpk you were right, bridgy failed to send you an FB notif. tracked it down, reporting now. thanks!
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voxpelli wait for their sysadmins to fix it :P
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aaronpk snarfed: cool!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: same cluster mgmt tasks either way; the difference is batching and amortizing the sysadmin work
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: yeah. I just restart apache
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snarfed instead of everyone doing it poorly, a much smaller group of good sysadmins do it well
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snarfed (and invest in better tools)
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: thing is – their sysadmins are on call 24/7 and know slots more about the stuff than I do :P
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snarfed right
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snarfed restart apache, lol. turnitoffandturnitonagain++
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snarfed er
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snarfed turnitoffandturnitonagain++
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voxpelli after I mistakenly had an Ubuntu LTS release get so outdated I couldn't update it anymore but had to somehow migrate it in a very hackish way that left me unsure about any state at all of my system I just abandoned the idea altogether. At heroku I can still do buildpacks if I want to customize something – but I don't have to manage linux
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: your server died again :P
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: were you testing hfeed2atom?
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voxpelli never experienced apache dying like that, but only used it with PHP
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yes, tried to hook it into IFTTT – IFTTT didn't like it
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voxpelli timed out and my browser does the same
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KartikPrabhu yeah something about hfeed2atom causes that... can't figure out what
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KartikPrabhu so hfeed2atom service is officially not recommended! :P
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snarfed voxpelli: i've added "expose granary mf2 <-> atom as service" to my todo list
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snarfed no promises on eta though :P
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voxpelli snarfed: cool – any public issue I can subscribe to?
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voxpelli (btw, a real nice thing with IFTTT: Set up a trigger on new GitHub issues and have IFTTT send a push notification each time – finally I actually notice that I get new issues on projects)
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aaronpk doesn't github just email you on new issues?
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voxpelli aaronpk: not always – I'm not sure when and how they decide on what to email you about
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aaronpk you have to be "watching" the repo to get emails about it
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voxpelli one can decide to watch or unwatch ones own repositories – unles sone watches them I don't think one gets an email
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voxpelli yeah
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voxpelli been missing a few issues and push notifications has really made me a more responsive maintainer so far
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@jsbracher RT @t: How indie(web) is your city? A record six cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups this week: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4cr1) (twitter.com/_/status/635904482384019456)
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KartikPrabhu ok so this seems to be the apache error "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" any idea what that does/how to fix it?
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snarfed voxpelli: i'll file one
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kylewm I turned off email notifications of github issues
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kylewm just got to be too much email
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davidpeach with reply contexts, is it cool to display a whole post in which I am replying to? At the moment I am just including a link to the replied to post
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davidpeach what do others do?
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kylewm davidpeach: I show the whole (sanitized) html post for short posts (<256 chars, iirc) and ellipsize the plain text version if it's more than that
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aaronpk same
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davidpeach ah okay
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davidpeach cheers.
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davidpeach finally got my site to pull in the reply context so gonna play with the displaying of it tommorow
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kylewm davidpeach: https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context-examples
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davidpeach ahh ty
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kylewm for some reason that's a separate page from reply-context#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi [mention] Jim Bracher reposted a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/Ci5SCa1vOaLnr4-5DcwkqQ
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voxpelli snarfed++
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Jeena jaha, timezones are much more complicated than I anticipated, but now I think and hope I got it after three days.
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aaronpk yup
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah timezones can be annoying
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ben_thatmustbeme I think i have it down, i still have a quazi issue where the my URLs for posts are based on GMT, so if i post at night, the url will be of the next day (for me)
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aaronpk yeah i am super picky so i made sure my URL dates are based in local time
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Jeena local time of the event?
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Jeena or local time Portland?
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aaronpk local time of wherever i am
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aaronpk or yeah if it's an event then local to the event even if i post it here
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Jeena ok
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ben_thatmustbeme I actually think it makes a bit more sense this way, if i ever travel to japan and back, my post upon arrival shouldn't look to be a date earlier then my departure
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ben_thatmustbeme unlikely case for me
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aaronpk if you travel to japan and back then 20 hours passes so it won't
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ben_thatmustbeme well not that unlikely as I want to go vack
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aaronpk until we have transporters anyway
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Jeena with a Concorde it could be a problem
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ben_thatmustbeme correction travel to japan or back
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ben_thatmustbeme too tired to wrap my head around the correct direction for that
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ben_thatmustbeme internation date line
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aaronpk i have a few cases where my post dates appear in a weird order because i post things while on a plane
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aaronpk on a plane i usually post in either origin or destination timezone, not in the timezone i am currently flying over
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Jeena some day I will need to make my database schema more abstract (and no saving data in files is not a sollution)
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@jevdemon Call for a Distributed Web. Nice post. Sounds a bit like BitTorent Sync. BT Sync + IndieWeb could be awesome. http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/635914328105861120)
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kylewm Jeena: I'm considering using Postgres's JSONB for everything from now on
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Jeena so why not mongo db or some other nosql thing?
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aaronpk postgres' jsonb makes postgres better at mongodb than mongodb
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Jeena hehe ok ^^
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aaronpk can't quite figure out the permissions on this lambda thing but it's working if I pass in my root api key!
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snarfed1 sweet!
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snarfed aaronpk: i assume you're familiar with IAM?
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aaronpk i know what it is, but i can't get this policy to validate
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snarfed ah ok
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aaronpk i'm trying in the simulator, but I can't seem to come up with the incantations to let it write to S3
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snarfed same root AWS account, right?
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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davidpeach evening tantek
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rhiaro evening tantek, welcome to a better timezone :D
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aaronpk yeah. it's weird cause i just copied the default "s3 role" thingy that it gave me
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davidpeach tantek, did you receive a webmention from me for your indieweb alphabet post? I ask as I have just this evening added auto-webmention sending on my site.
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aaronpk well that was an adventure, but I now have a web service that archives icons
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snarfed davidpeach: aaronpk: wm.io's api is public, right? if so, you can look yourself, since tantek uses that
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snarfed aaronpk: nice! how do you like lambda?
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aaronpk once i launch this for real and hook it up, no more missing avatars when people change their icons!
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aaronpk lambda is quite a different way of thinking about building web services, but if the problem maps to its strong suits then I think it's great
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davidpeach oh okay. thanks snarfed. didnt realise
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snarfed aaronpk: cool!
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aaronpk so now all the avatar icons my site will display will be things like https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ca3db-test/aaronparecki.com/315c3e5ec79692096afd23002ac6860e55387ebf3ee157ae2b7ef5d21ee75c9d.png
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aaronpk one step closer to switching completely to https!
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tantek davidpeach: not sure! I haven't started checking/displaying my webmentions received yet. I've got quite a backlog.
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davidpeach no probs tantek.
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aaronpk i suppose i can actually output a URL on my own domain and 302 to that s3 URL
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davidpeach loved your alphabet indieweb post btw tantek
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tantek thanks much davidpeach! it was fun to do - but took longer than I expected!
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tantek aaronpk: by "avatar icons" do you mean people's icons from their h-cards?
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tantek reads Brewster's post http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/
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tantek "as easy to setup and use as WordPress blogs, Wikimedia sites, or even Facebook pages," <--- LOLOL wat?!? WordPress and Wikimedia sties are NOT easy to setup and use (assuming that includes maintenance)
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tantek FB pages however - they got ease of use right on that one
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GWG tantek: WordPress is not that bad
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aaronpk tantek: yes. tho most of the problems i've had with URLs disappearing are the silo image URLs that I get from bridgy
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tantek GWG, I have to disagree. As a technical person I don't have time to deal with it. Many other technical people have succumbed to it's fragilities and given up. I would never recommend it as a "new" solution to a non-technical person.
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Loqi tantek meant to say: GWG, I have to disagree. As a technical person I don't have time to deal with it. Many other technical people have succumbed to its fragilities and given up. I would never recommend it as a "new" solution to a non-technical person.
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kylewm I'm surprised that there are people who don't want to use Known because it's not as easy to install as Wordpress
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tantek installation you do once. maintainenance/updates you do forever. it's the latter that matters more to anyone who's attempted anything of the sort.
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tantek hey kylewm - your notes / whitespace arguments are quite good BTW. still absorbing.
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davidpeach I used to be on WordPress. Moved to using laravel about 4months ago though
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kylewm thanks!
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tantek oh no, Brewster had to go there. to the blockchain. sigh.
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aaronpk davidpeach: neat! I'm switching to Laravel's "Lumen" framework
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davidpeach nice one aaronpk. I gave it a try, but found myself adding things from laravel back in.
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aaronpk davidpeach: ah yeah I could see that. I hadn't used Laravel before tho so I'm not coming from that bkacground
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davidpeach aaronpk how are you gonna approach post types?
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davidpeach aaronpk i mean...
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aaronpk sparsely
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davidpeach aaronpk I use one posts controller, then use the first part of the url to decide which post types to show. As apposed to different controller per post type
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davidpeach and I basically ripped off adactio's URL structure. I loved how clean it looked
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aaronpk mostly i have a single "post" type and depending on what attributes are present, loads in different partial views
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aaronpk i went down the explicit post type hierarchy with my current site and it's been a pain
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aaronpk ah yeah I am not separating my post types by URL again. that was a mistake
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davidpeach oh okay thats interesting. Yer It gets messy for me occasionally. But is a lot cleaner than my wordpress iteration
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davidpeach not knocking wordpress
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davidpeach just that mine got messy, quickly
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tantek anybody else read Brewster's article?
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aaronpk most of it. I started glazing over when he started talking about the blockchain :(
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aaronpk specifically "enables the Bitcoin community to have a global database with no central point of control" because that is a naive idealistic view of it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: skimmed it yesterday. dropped it when I saw blockchain
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davidpeach got it bookmarked. gonna read it in morning.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think it deserves a quick response - we're building it
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tantek without needing proprietary bittorrent or crazy blockchain tech
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aaronpk to be fair we're not addressing a lot of the issues he's talkinbg about since what we're doing still relies on DNS
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KartikPrabhu tantek: hard to convince block-chain advocates without using block-chain
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no. running code wins arguments.
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tantek blockchain is unnecessary plumbing
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tantek aaronpk: except we're basically building the distributed copying of sites he speaks of
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aaronpk he used the running code argument in the post when he demonstrated his blog running on ipfs
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tantek everytime we cache a reply-context or comment!
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tantek if we change our reply-context caching policies to cache entire original posts along with our reply posts, then we distribute copies of every post of every site
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tantek similarly with replies
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tantek er, /comments sections
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tantek thus I'm saying he's wrong about duplication at the site granularity. that's too coarse. we distribute duplicates at the post granularity!
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aaronpk that's an interesting argument
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KartikPrabhu those copies are not used to access the original site though
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KartikPrabhu isn't that the whole block-chain thing
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tantek e.g. right now aaronpk has a way of showing all posts which link to my site. those which are replies to my posts have cached copies of those posts.
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tantek blockchain is plumbing - quit letting it frame any thinking you have
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tantek http://aaronparecki.com/links-to/tantek.com
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tantek image if he instead had: http://aaronparecki.com/archive-of/tantek.com
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tantek which contained an index of all posts he'd ever cached from tantek.com
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tantek e.g. from that links-to link, I found this reply: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/22/1/octalgeo
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tantek which has a reply-context (thus cache) of this post: http://tantek.com/2010/094/t1/wherecamp-octal-geo-hack-wait-html5now
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tantek since aaronpk already has that post cached on his server, what if he reconstructed its h-entry and served it from: http://http://aaronparecki.com/archive-of/tantek.com/2010/094/t1/wherecamp-octal-geo-hack-wait-html5now
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tantek thus what if you could find anybody A's cache of any post B's content by trying A/archive-of/B ?
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aaronpk HMMM good idea
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tantek boom - distributed web
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tantek it's already on your server, just need that convention of /archive-of/ to serve it
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tantek if you want to get fancy you could clone the style sheets too
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tantek and ignore the js of course, because js;dr ;)
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tantek distributed web, done and done.
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aaronpk easiest for me would be to re-render the h-entry using my own templates rather than serving the HTML that's on the original page
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aaronpk btw my cache of external content is up to 1.4gb now
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aaronpk and there are no images in that
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tantek aaronpk I thought you were caching the original HTML as well as the parsed JSON?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk but if I just display the HTML there are all sorts of issues with that
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tantek scripts? xss?
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aaronpk yes, plus it won't have the stylesheet so it will just look bad
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tantek hmm - if you set a base tag explicitly to the original domain, that should work right? to get the original stylesheets?
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tantek (for scripts, just filter them I think)
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aaronpk hah haven't tried that
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tantek kind of like what archive.org does
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aaronpk but yeah this quickly goes down the route of filtering things, changing the original html, etc
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aaronpk which is why I said it's actually easier for me to take the parsed JSON and re-render it as a post, which is what I already do for comments presentation and reply context
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tantek yeah that's a good start
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tantek except put a rel=canonical to the original
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk basically it would be the code I use to show posts in a reader
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tantek so you don't steal search-juice
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tantek you could even put a header at the top
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tantek like archive.org
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tantek This page originally archived from (linked original URL with rel=canonical) on YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM-XXYY
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aaronpk https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/08/24/1/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=http://tantek.com/2015/236/t1/indie-city-record-six-cities-host-website-club
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tantek hey that's pretty slick
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tantek frankly it looks "good enough" for notes for sure
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tantek though I hesitate to bring up ... whitespace ;)
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aaronpk works for photos too https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=http://tantek.com/2015/235/t1/reflection-insight-wisdom-inspiration
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aaronpk oh am i missing pre-wrap? it's in the main monocle feed
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tantek yes
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tantek that's really good presentation
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aaronpk thanks
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aaronpk for a proper archive version, I'd need to add mf2 to that with the rel=canonical, etc
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tantek right - well you already have a link
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tantek <a href="http://tantek.com/2015/235/t1/reflection-insight-wisdom-inspiration">August 23, 2015 4:52pm -07:00</a>
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tantek just add rel=canonical to that !
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk well not quite that simple for monocle, sincei t's the same template that is used in the feed
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tantek but white-space:pre-wrap only works in one?
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aaronpk yeah must be a difference of what contains that entry
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kylewm has anybody thought about how to make hfeed2atom type things work with PuSH? as long as you used the same topic as the original, you could get pings, but fat pings would have the wrong (html instead of Atom) content
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tantek fatpings--
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Loqi fatpings has -2 karma
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kylewm huh, what's wrong with fatpings?
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aaronpk oh apparently i am not setting pre-wrap on monocle at all. and now i see why. enabling it makes most of the posts have a loooot of extra space. clearly have some more work to do there
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tantek kylewm: in short, it wastes bandwidth, traffic, processing on all ends (source, pipe, receiver)
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tantek better to stick with laziness as a virtue and verified thin pings (e.g. webmentions)
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kylewm i guess it depends how many subscribers you have
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tantek right, very bad scaling characteristics. also wastes time if per update, whereas receivers may only retrieve stuff once in a while
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tantek fatpings as an architecture are also biased towards fire-and-forget spamming behavior.
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tantek whereas thin pings, where the sender MUST be prepared to respond the a request for the actual content *sometime in the future* depend on the sender actually spending the resources to hang around a bit, a while, which puts more burden on the sender vs the reeiver
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tantek s/reeiver/receiver
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Loqi tantek meant to say: whereas thin pings, where the sender MUST be prepared to respond the a request for the actual content *sometime in the future* depend on the sender actually spending the resources to hang around a bit, a while, which puts more burden on the sender vs the receiver
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/qVpWVXGW_1WEYWCZZWLJpw
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tantek hmm looks like Brewster has been giving his post as a talk before: http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/04/22/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web/
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tantek lol at the last comment on that about W3C and SoLiD. Sigh.
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club (-1) "/* Göteborg */ changed event url" (view diff)
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Jeena Ok, I hope my events implementation will somehow work https://jeena.net/events/2
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tantek ooh! /me looks
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tantek nice map Jeena!
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tantek um http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://jeena.net/events/2
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aaronpk my server can't handle his ssl cert
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kylewm tantek: fat pings within PuSH generally require some kind of authentication, so you have to have subscribed to a feed and verified your subscription before you get fat pings from it ... very unlikely you'd ever get valid spam fat pings that way
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tantek right that was just the first problem. there were many more I pointed out.
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kylewm and the intention is to alleviate the thundering herd problem if you sent out a million thin pings and then immediately got hit with a million requests
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aaronpk one of these days i'm going to finally migrate off that server
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tantek kylewm: web servers already handle that with caching proxies.
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kylewm tantek: yes, I'm taking them one at a time...
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tantek no need to make a new mechanism with all that complexity for it
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kylewm OK yeah caching proxies probably take care of my objections
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tantek to me, "fatpings" are an outdated concept that was born of the old RSS/feed-centric mindset that was attempting to replace HTML and web servers with an entire parallel infrastructure
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Jeena tantek yeah, it's a problem with the server and (perhaps) my certificate
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tantek just as wrong as the SemWeb folks trying to replace HTML with a parallel RDF web
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kylewm there's also speed, a thin ping + fetch adds another round trip to the communication
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kylewm probably fine for pretty much any use case except chat
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tantek kylewm: yes that's the question - how low can we get the latencies in the system
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tantek or rather, until those latency demonstrate the existence of a real world problem, why bother trying to solve it?
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tantek talk about premature optimization
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kylewm well, when I started supporting fat pings, it was because cweiske was dinging me for Woodwind taking several seconds to get his push updates
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kylewm i don't know if that counts as a real world problem
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tantek several seconds?!?
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Jeena tantek https://mf2j.herokuapp.com/?url=https://jeena.net/events/2
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kylewm it still takes several seconds, yeah
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Jeena hm location is empty
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tantek jeena you are overlapping event and entry?!?
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tantek I'm not sure that's what you want
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Jeena hm ok should I remove entry then?
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tantek yes - no need for it
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Jeena ok, nice now also location is fixed
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (-132) "incorp hack night into Portland's where, sort remaining lists of cities" (view diff)
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tantek Jeena does your mf2 parser handle <base> yet? I don't want to RSVP no to your event and create a broken response on your post
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Jeena tantek yes it does, I fixed that and send a pull request https://github.com/G5/microformats2/pull/33 and I'm using my fork for now until it gets merged
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tantek I wonder why it says the travis check has failed
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Jeena their own tests are broken, it's not my fault
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Jeena should h-geo be within p-location?
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tantek can we fix their tests? or would that have to be a separate pull request?
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tantek Jeena p-location + h-geo, e.g. class="p-location h-geo" - on the same element as it were. even better is p-location h-card as I have it marked up on the event page: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Jeena a seperate pull request, if I have the time I will look into the tests
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tantek kylewm: re: whitespace, the inconsistency in the handling/expectation of HTML is bothering me too. :/
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tantek kylewm: strangely, twitter uses &#10; instead of <br/> for line-breaks on the Tweet permalink itself. I don't know why.
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kylewm did twitter permalinks recently switch to client-rendering??
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tantek they still have the content in the HTML
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tantek I typically view Twitter w/o JS
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tantek it's so much faster :P
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kylewm ah there it goes
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kylewm for some reason the first time i viewed source, it was just a block of html
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kylewm s/html/json
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: for some reason the first time i viewed source, it was just a block of json
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tantek if turning URLs into clickable links is auto-linking, then turning whitespace linebreaks into <br/>s and sequential spaces into nsps is auto-*** what?
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snarfed Jeena: looks like you fixed your webmention handler a week ago? nice work!
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gRegorLove auto-breaking
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Jeena I think it fixed itself, I saw that bridgy had some errors with my certificate
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tantek what is auto-breaking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "auto-breaking" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1022
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Jeena but next time I looked it was fixed
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tantek or rather
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kylewm photomatt called it autop http://ma.tt/scripts/autop/
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tantek what is auto-break?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "auto-break" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1023
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gRegorLove Guess that doesn't cover nbsp though
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tantek except you can't depend on <p>
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snarfed Jeena: hmm, bridgy was just getting 500s from your site, not hitting an SSL error
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snarfed but no matter!
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gRegorLove autop does <p> and <br>, nothing with nbsp
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tantek I mean, you can't depend on making <p>s
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tantek so auto-space?
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tantek auto-pre-wrap?
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kylewm why no p's? because they can't nest?
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tantek kylewm: do you strip style attributes?
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gRegorLove What do you mean by "you can't depend on <p>"?
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tantek kylewm: to do <p> right you have to keep state and close them
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gRegorLove autop closes them
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tantek tempted to model \n -> <br/> and " " -> <span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>
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kylewm tantek: yeah I do strip style attributes, because they can be XSS vectors (right?)
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tantek kylewm: not in practice no
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tantek you can have external background image URLs yes, but modern browsers don't allow javascript: URLs there IIRC
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Jeena ha, now even the location is nicelly marked up
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tantek.com edited /note (+796) "/* Indieweb whitespace thinking */ follow-ups to kylewm's thoughtful critique" (view diff)
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tantek what is auto-space
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "auto-space" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/1024
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tantek what is auto-link?
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Loqi An autolink is a hyperlink that was automatically added to some text to link that text to an obvious or useful destination, e.g https://indiewebcamp.com/auto-link
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tantek An auto-space is space markup (like a br or nbsp) that was automatically added to some text to explicitly add markup linebreaks, line indenting, or sequential spacing.
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loqi.me created /auto-space (+191) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-24/line/1440459731624 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /auto-space (+56) "see also note#Indieweb_whitespace_thinking" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /auto-space (+15) "see also autolink" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /autolink (+0) "fix dfn" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /event (+276) "/* Examples */ added Jeena example" (view diff)
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KevinMarks why do you have to close <p> ?
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tantek.com edited /autolink (+34) "/* See Also */ auto-embed, auto-space" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks: for well-formedness
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tantek kylewm: see if the follow-up reasoning / approaches I added make sense to you: https://indiewebcamp.com/note#Indieweb_whitespace_thinking
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KevinMarks so only if I care about it being XML then?
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tantek by adding auto-space handling to CASSIS auto_link I think I'm making it one step closer to being a mini-markdown replacement.
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rhiaro Upgraded http://rhiaro.co.uk/where ... now shows events/travel and specific checkins, as well as durations in vague checkins, all visualised in coloured blocks to show time
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rhiaro And if you want a quick answer, http://rhiaro.co.uk/where?plain=1 will give you it
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rhiaro (stylesheet might need a hard refresh)
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rhiaro ...if anyone is interested.
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KevinMarks nice
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rhiaro Now I will start checking in again
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Jeena snarfed I posted a facebook event first without a link to my indie event (because I didn't have one yet) Now I added the link to the indieevent to the facebook post, how do I get bridgy to send me the RSVPs from those people there now? It looks like all of them went to tanteks website because that was the only link in the description
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snarfed Jeena: sadly i don't have a good answer for you
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snarfed you'll get all new rsvps, but there's no easy way to get past ones
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Jeena hehe ok, then I will do it right from the start next time :D
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snarfed you can do it the hard way with https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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snarfed tedious, but doable
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snarfed feel free to file an issue and ask for a bigger hammer retry button
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KevinMarks if I want my html to be XML I'll run it though html5lib
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KevinMarks should I add hfeed2atom to unmung? that more likw remung