#indiewebcamp 2015-08-30

2015-08-30 UTC
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KevinMarks fixed. vw units are handy
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[snarfed] nice!
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KevinMarks the full-bleed is nice, but I still wanted the text to wrap
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KevinMarks there's probably a multicolumn way to do that
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/637767460888821761
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@Pinboard The Semantic Web sure is taking its time (twitter.com/_/status/637767460888821761)
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KartikPrabhu just found the HTML <mark> element https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/mark ! might be useful for fragmentions and marginalia? thoughts? cc: JonathanNeal KevinMarks
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@mikewest RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/637911213209448448)
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Loqi [mention] ൱αϯr๏ and Mike West reposted a post that linked to a photo: "Content-Security-Policy" https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy https://webmention.io/notification/mPJX5dqVjNy23paFrupO-w
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom replied '@t CSP improve security, but in the att case HTTPS+HSTS is a better solution. att can remove the CSP but can't strip HTTPS' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy (https://twitter.com/kermiite/status/637912753756348417)
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@walterebert RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/637927861702238208)
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@dkreuz @MatthewDiIulio Jekyll and GitHub are still "cool", even after several years? Really? ;) I thought, IndieWeb is cool now. (twitter.com/_/status/637990614177579008)
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@LukasRosenstock "The web is awesome": http://blog.lmorchard.com/2015/08/07/web-awesome/?utm_content=bufferd5aa3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer A great #longread comparing the web and apps and making a case for the web. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/637991985824014337)
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aaronpk WHOA new last.fm
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GWG I need an idea.
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GWG How is favorite-of being stored as avorite-o
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GWG and like-of as like-o?
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[snarfed] off by one somewhere
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GWG Think I find it. Improper use of a function.
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kylewm s.trim('f')
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GWG kylewm: You got it in a way
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GWG I was trimming the mf2_ prefix
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GWG I'm trying to make my plugin more flexible without adding any more fields to fill out. I have URL, Name, Site Name/Publication/Album, Duration, Author/Artist Name, Author Photo, Content/Excerpt.
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GWG I think I might be able to broaden it and pare it down simultaneously.
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@hellekin Great overview of the distributed Web by @brewster_kahle. Misses @GNUnet, #Indieweb or #microformats though http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/638041027782279169)
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GWG Anyone have any suggestions? I don't want to change the form page with javascript if I can help it, because I'm still avoiding javascript.
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@tomayac RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/638045569261432832)
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@kevinmarks @annwitbrock it depends a lot on hosting environment. Come chat in https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-30 lots of advice there (twitter.com/_/status/638048102000136192)
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ann I'm less familiar client side than server side, so I'm trying to do two things:
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ann 1) get json data into something I can pass around in javascript (maybe a cookie) client side.
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ann 2) understand whether I'm limited to client-side javascript served from the hosted environment, or whether I can run a program like flask to interpret all the urls and do nice backend magic that I'm more familiar with. ie can I make my host play nicely?
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snarfed ann: hi, welcome! i think we're missing some context
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Loqi [bridgy] Ann Witbrock replied '@kevinmarks thanks.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-30 (https://twitter.com/annwitbrock/status/638050166747070464)
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ann I'm missing something about returning java object things. They empty on return.
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snarfed sorry, i think we still need more context. should i read your tweet thread? otherwise maybe describe your high level goal and current stack?
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ann I did already. Current stack is client side javascript and html. Server side is not under my control, but maybe negotialble. I'm much more familiar with webserver like django or asp or flask already operational.
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ann Thinng is, I think I am missing some context. Trying to bridge that.
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snarfed sorry, i don't see where you originally described your current situation
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snarfed i get that your local stack is working and you're trying to deploy to a web host somewhere
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ann yes. Well it was working, but that can be fixed ;-) I need to understand my next steps to initial deploy on destination server. Static files are easy enough, but I want to know whether say flask could be run to supercede the hosted environment.
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ann Because I'd rather automate the stuff.
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snarfed sure! good question. where's your destination server? who hosts it? what's its OS, stack, etc?
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ann Privately hosted. Runs something called qnap and I'm finding it hard to get answers to my questions about what is on board. Currently I'm lacking ssh access too so its not a case of just poking about.
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snarfed ann: ok. sounds like a somewhat unusual setup. i don't know that you'll find many people here familiar with qnap. sorry. :(
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ann General principles of web deploy should be enough to run with. My original tweet "I have a lovely little simplehttpserver running locally, but... how does that transfer to final home?"
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snarfed sorry, no, that's too broad. personally at least, i can't give you any useful advice for that question without understanding the details, and i don't personally know qnap.
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ann This is an area that always turns to quicksand when I try to find out. But people host stuff other than static pages, on shared hosting, so it must be possible, in some cases if not all. I'm assuming all I need is execute permission for the web server running on an appropriate port and then it'll pick up all the connections, find the right urls etc.
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ann ok, I guess it'll also need python on board.
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ann Let's forget that question for now. I should get access to play a bit later.
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ann Thanks for trying to help.
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snarfed sorry i couldn't help more, ann. good luck!
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ann :-)
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kylewm ann: just a random guess, shared hosting often supports php and little else in terms of server side code
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KevinMarks ann, if you want a simple hosting setup, appengine or heroku are pretty good
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KevinMarks in that you can run something locally and have a good chance of it running serverside equivalently
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KevinMarks heroku is good for node.js hosting + rails, appengine for python, java, go
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KevinMarks both offer PHP but that tends to involve more finagling because PHP tends to be less abstracted by default
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ann I'm not sure it does any more than provide a nice front end to network storage.
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KevinMarks https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive is an example of using a node backend on heroku without much persistence
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ann I've used heroku and gappengine. This is not where I'm being asked to run it from.
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KevinMarks ah, OK
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KevinMarks running on generic hosting is hard - withknown spent a lot of effort on that - chose PHP; switched from mongo to MySQL etc
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GWG I just released a major change to Post Kinds. I hope I didn't break anyone's site.
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KevinMarks ann: another possibility would be to use a more generic service you host elsewhere
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snarfed looks like ann is right, this may not even be shared hosting, more like a NAS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNAP_Systems,_Inc.#Product_Overview
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KevinMarks eg http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-08-12.html is static but uses other sites for the hovercards and the comments
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snarfed right, if it's basically a NAS, static HTML + JS is probably your best bet
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GWG I have a QNAP NAS. It is an embedded Linux system. They do have Web server packages
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KevinMarks but can you run server-side code on it?
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ann It's ok, no blogging or similar user interaction required, just need to manage a lot of media data. Ah thanks GWG. Linux is good. I expect I will be able to add files, execute, open relevant ports. Right now I cant see how it would tell the differnce between file server faceplate and web, but I guess that is just down to the port and what program is talking over it.
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GWG KevinMarks: Yes, it allows install of scripting languages.
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ann Meanwhile it'll force me to think about some important javascript questions, which can only be good for my career.
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GWG I bought one because I was too busy to rebuild the last time my server died.
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ann thanks gwg, so if python and flask arent there already I should be able to pop a virtual machine with them in the project root. The server is run by someone I can talk to about permissions so this should be ok.
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ann I've suggested creating a staging site so we can explore the permissions before we open the serious site.
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: wow, <mark> does look useful
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KevinMarks with a default {background-color:yellow; color:black;}
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: yeah I had never heard of it until yesterday
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@ImYoric RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/638102484922314753)
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Loqi [mention] Ann Witbrock liked "RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-inject..." https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-30 https://webmention.io/notification/8PdPMVsO_Trj3mih-G9LkQ
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ann really?
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk not really
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[kevinmarks] That they inject ads? Or that we have indieweb likes coming in here?
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aaronpk that notification is wrong for two reasons
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ann someone else might have liked it.
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aaronpk 1) bridgy includes all URLs in the tweet in the like-of property
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aaronpk 2) the notification is finding the first h-entry on the page that is liked, which in the case of the IRC logs is the first thing that happened today (that RT)
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ann ok, I have a talent for turning up the bugs ;-)
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aaronpk I can solve #2 by wrapping the IRC logs in an h-feed so that I can give the h-feed a name like "#indiewebcamp on August 30th, 2015"
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KartikPrabhu haven't been a fan of bridgy 1) behaviour but I couldn't think of how to improve it
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: they're making progress
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ann all the best with that, and try to avoid anyting too defamatory xx
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KartikPrabhu defamtory?
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ann As in, what we appear to like is our reputation!
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ann ttfn, good night and thanks for the discussion.
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Loqi gute nacht!
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[kevinmarks] Night Ann
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[kevinmarks] Hope to see you here again
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ann Tschüß
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ann could be, it's gentler than the stackoverflow diet :-)
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aaronpk kay, now the IRC logs are wrapped in an h-feed
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aaronpk great example of a use for that!
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aaronpk kylewm++ for silopub
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Loqi kylewm has 226 karma
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aaronpk kylewm: wow you got photo posting and likes working on twitter too
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aaronpk amazeing
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aaronparecki.com edited /authorization-endpoint (+15) "/* Software implementing the authorization endpoint spec */" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/pkdev/status/638128153437732864
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@pkdev my new favorite way to tweet is curl to https://silo.pub/ with a micropub post (twitter.com/_/status/638128153437732864)
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@number5 This one is from Quill via https://silo.pub/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/638137091654725632)
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__number5__ wow that's cool. ^
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