#indiewebcamp 2015-09-01
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# tantek fascinating how the new Twitter replies threading / "View other replies" hiding/progressive disclosure can be used to alter the default appearance of dialog on a tweet. E.g. see this https://twitter.com/t/status/638501941698514944 by replying to the first reply, I caused other replies to it to be hidden by default.
# @t Enjoyed Tomorrowland on flights to&from Paris. Better than critics/ratings. Perspective shifted http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1964418/ (ttk.me t4cy4) (twitter.com/_/status/638501941698514944)
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# Loqi [mention] Arief Rahman Hakim liked a post that linked to a photo: "Content-Security-Policy" https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy https://webmention.io/notification/Vc0Pj9UGXxnl9rmoFKzuJQ
# Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indiewebcamp.com/composite_stream
# tantek no fidelity is lost - the /reply-context is cache/presentation anyway
# tantek.com edited /Falcon (+866) "/* improve replies details */ show icon reply-context in-stream, thanks to prompting with good questions from kylewm" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Falcon (+246) "/* show icon reply-context in-stream */ note example of microformats wiki class="discussion" nested list items that also use an icon shaped like ↪ to indicate reply posts" (view diff)
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# gRegorLove Hmm, so when bridgy is sending webmentions 'upstream' in a thread of notes, how are people handling processing those? My current logic is failing because the wm sent upstream to A doesn't have A's URL in it.
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# gRegorLove GWG++ baby steps
# gRegorLove No, it doesn't appear to do that.
# gRegorLove Or at least, not currently (?)
# gRegorLove Here's the example I'm using: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/638046136603770880/638046281953353728
# gRegorLove I'm only seeing one in-reply-to in that bridgy mf2
# gRegorLove I'm referring to the example links we both linked. Which part is the faking it you're referring to?
# kylewm gRegorLove: I would've expected bridgy to send one webmention, to http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/indiana_mama-yeah-ill-reply-today/, from that link you shared
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# gRegorLove kylewm: Yeah, it was sent there. That note of mine is in a long reply-chain, so the wm was also sent upstream to my earlier notes. The latter is where my process fails.
# gRegorLove And I'm sure it's my process, not bridgy, to be clear.
# gRegorLove No
# gRegorLove Bridgy sends upstream
# gRegorLove Looking through a lot of unprocessed bridgy links, just a moment
# gRegorLove I have this bridgy source URL sent to 3 pages: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/638046136603770880/638046281953353728 1) http://gregorlove.com/2015/10/indiana_mama-jdragz-ragzdoll13-me-four.we/ 2) http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/indiana_mama-jdragz-ragzdoll13-you-have/ 3) http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/indiana_mama-yeah-ill-reply-today/
# @strugee2 RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/638531775338123264)
# gRegorLove I don't want to open a bridgy issue to find it's something silly on my end. :) I was pretty sure it was, though checking my received logs, I'm seeing three distinct bridgy wms within a few seconds.
# gRegorLove So I dunno
# gRegorLove double checks my syndication links
# Loqi [mention] Alex Jordan liked a post that linked to a photo: "Content-Security-Policy" https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy https://webmention.io/notification/cHQoscUUtbFSawkjHljeBw
# Loqi [mention] Alex Jordan reposted a post that linked to a photo: "Content-Security-Policy" https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy https://webmention.io/notification/TTCTAJ2-lAOCaCQmJDyPLQ
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# [snarfed] i haven't dug into this bridgy q yet, but there's background in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/217
# Loqi [snarfed]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: skimmed OPD proposals, thinking seems pretty sound. Maybe drop 24h restriction for original posts found through existing algorithm (since those have bidirectional links incl rel-syndication link back to POSSE copy) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-30/line/1440979520024
# tantek odd that FB doesn't show /link-previews in posts from Bridgy Publish
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# gRegorLove It's a low priority for me. I just thought something was wrong in my processing.
# gRegorLove I posted a gh issue
# gRegorLove I've known it sends upstream wm, but haven't had issues processing them until today
# gRegorLove Here's a recent one where my own reply was sent upstream and processed OK: http://gregorlove.com/2015/08/looking-forward-to-ericagrows-and/
# gRegorLove I actually like the upstream ones since I'm not yet (usually) sending wm to myself, and thus needing to de-duplicate the bridgy upstream from my own :)
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# acegiak Jeena: did you get a webmention from me for this post: https://jeena.net/comments/433
# Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: How do you feel about jam vs listen? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440351240746
# Loqi acegiak: snarfed left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: hey guys! semantic-linkbacks isn't finding author pictures any more for me. :/ e.g. https://snarfed.org/2015-08-20_15271 not sure if it's wordpress 4.3 or new semantic-linkbacks changes or both. any ideas? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440358650205
# Loqi acegiak: snarfed left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: (i'm on pfefferle's fork) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440358658777
# Loqi acegiak: [snarfed] left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: never mind, false alarm. css bug on my part. maybe due to changed classes http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-23/line/1440368377063
# Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: New somewhat stable version of Post Kinds http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-30/line/1440980232222
# KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: completely mystified by Feedly's handling of your Atom XML titles. Sometimes the XML shows and other times not. Can't find the pattern in your source either
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# KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: feedly may be doing guessing about whether to escape titles or not, because of RSS
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: the thing is all titles are markedup similarly, can't find a pattern of when it escapes.
# KevinMarks won't be markup will be contents
# KartikPrabhu oh hmm
# KevinMarks hm, that isn't escaped right
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: what isn't escaped?
# KevinMarks the feed examples
# KartikPrabhu oh hmm
# KartikPrabhu oh I see something to do with what chars are in the content
# KevinMarks "The RSS 2.0 specification states that may contain HTML, but there is no way for consumers to programmatically distinguish HTML from plain text (especially text that talks about markup). In other words, the content model for RSS 2.0 is Here's something that might be HTML. Or maybe not. I can't tell you, and you can't guess."
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# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-friend.png]]""
# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-non-friend.png]]""
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# @TechDistro TECH DISTRO - Tech News Hub is out! http://paper.li/TechDistro/1352888335?edition_id=49d8eba0-5065-11e5-b959-0cc47a0d1605 Stories via @sm4tt_uk @indiewebcamp @tech2eets (twitter.com/_/status/638575207448506368)
# KevinMarks it's actually quite hard to find people you don't have mutual friends with on FB
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# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-disjoint.png]]""
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: hmm not really. tantek found me somehow
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# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-07-30-google-hovercard-example.png]]""
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# kevinmarks.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-non-friend.png]]"" (view diff)
# kevinmarks.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-non-friend.png]]"" (view diff)
# kevinmarks.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-non-friend.png]]": Reverted to version as of 05:56, 1 September 2015" (view diff)
# KevinMarks hm, changing fiels is b0rked
# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-08-31-facebook-hovercard-example-mutual-friends.png]]""
# KevinMarks any more hovercards people like?
# KevinMarks gmail has remearkably blank ones
# KevinMarks or maybe people i get emails from don't use gmail
# KevinMarks thee wordpress ones mentioned seem to have vanished
# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-07-30-gmail-hovercard-example.png]]""
# KevinMarks youtube has them
# KevinMarks is getting docuemtning happy
# KevinMarks breaking links for me again
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# kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2015-07-30-youtube-hovercard-example.png]]""
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# Loqi [bridgy] Tom replied '@t @dougturner And, they already tamper your page, some others ISP tampers cookies, I'll not be surprised to see them tamper CSP headers' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy#Why_bother_if_attacker_can_hack_CSP_too (https://twitter.com/kermiite/status/638618046018527232)
# Loqi [bridgy] Tom replied '@t @dougturner They don't have to modify your CSP: most CSP allows 'self', they can just inject a script '/att_ads.js' and catch the request' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy#Why_bother_if_attacker_can_hack_CSP_too (https://twitter.com/kermiite/status/638617749367951360)
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# KevinMarks what is banner image?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "banner image" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102F
# KevinMarks banner image is a wide image 2:1 to 4:1 displayed as a backdrop at the top of a profile page. There is currently no agreed indieweb way of marking one up.
# loqi.me created /banner_image (+181) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-01/line/1441095433942 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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# Jeena acegiak, now it works https://jeena.net/comments/433 I didn't process stuff for the /comments url
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# petermolnar good morning, indieweb
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# KevinMarks morning peter
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# @elfpavlik another #d14n even! http:///conference/ ping @indiewebcamp @GETDcent @DTNConf @decentcamp @border_none we need planet style calendar! (twitter.com/_/status/638667229865844736)
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# myfreeweb wow https://twitter.com/stopsatgreen/status/638650195400527872 the silos' love for pushing their native mobile apps truly has no limits
# @stopsatgreen Feeling like an unwelcome guest on http://t.co/TWRmiUPd2x. #doorslam #ugh http://www.broken-links.com/2015/09/01/feeling-like-an-unwelcome-guest-on-medium-com/ https://twitter.com/stopsatgreen/status/638650195400527872/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/638650195400527872)
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# @glennjones Just backed https://t.co/xaUXpy1SGY hope the project makes it to its target #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/638707261402148864)
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# ben_thatmustbeme pops his head in
# ben_thatmustbeme someone said my name earlier
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: I'm not handling reply chains yet. on my to do list when i get free time, i'm doing reply-context chains. so i'm going back not forward
# ben_thatmustbeme yet anyway
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# @jkphl @elfpavlik Nice! Thanks for pinging! Will see if I can make it. +@indiewebcamp @GETDcent @DTNConf @decentcamp (twitter.com/_/status/638719360694099968)
# @benwerd Interesting: PayPal introduce a personal URL that lets people pay you. Your own domain maybe not far away? http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/01/paypal-launches-paypal-me-a-simpler-way-to-request-money-using-your-own-personalized-url/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/638719880422789120)
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# [snarfed] pfefferle GWG: just FYI i use https://wordpress.org/plugins/ultimate-category-excluder/ to hide my replies/likes/reposts from the front page, search, etc
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# Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 12 hours, 52 minutes ago: completely mystified by Feedly's handling of your Atom XML titles. Sometimes the XML shows and other times not. Can't find the pattern in your source either http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-31/line/1441078004444
# tantek pinging you again about this because check this out: https://activations-dev.allizom.org/en-US/diaspora.html
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# cleverdevil hrm... brid.gy is failing to send notifications to my Known site on https...
# tantek however FB fails to update the /link-preview when you edit the post
# cleverdevil works fine on http :_
# cleverdevil :P
# tantek even if you delete the link that originally caused the /link-preview!
# KevinMarks I expanded /hovercard a lot last night - thoughts on the common denominators analysis?
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# KevinMarks I did mention that - I couldn't see them defined yet
# KevinMarks the other obvious missing piece (apart from a friends graph, which is hard) is /banner_image - is anyone indie publishing those?
# voxpelli KevinMarks: see the theme color that eg. Embed.ly uses: http://embed.ly/code?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflattr.com%2F (probably extracted from the favicon)
# KevinMarks if you want to add those examples to /hovercard tantek, go for it
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# KevinMarks your fb one doesn't have a banner either
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# Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 4 days, 3 hours ago: HWC Edi next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-28/line/1440771772209
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# rhiaro.co.uk created /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (+2098) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> = <span class="p-name summary">Homebrew Website Club Meetup</span> = == Details == === When === <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">..."" (view diff)
# tantek waits for rhiaro to follow the steps in http://indiewebcamp.com/Events#How_To_Add_An_Event
# camerongray I may have a work thing this Thursday, need to check
# rhiaro !tell _fran HWC this week :D https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club
# camerongray :D
# tantek voxpelli: maybe we should keep Malmö noted in the Where section in https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club#Where but just put the comment about "skip the next HWC and be back the time after that " ?
# rhiaro.co.uk edited /next-hwc (+0) "Redirected page to [[events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club]]" (view diff)
# tantek and it's live! and working! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2015/244/t1/did-entire-npsf-trackattack
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# tantek looks like just the fbid is sufficient https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101862796233213
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# gRegorLove tantek++
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# tantek.com edited /photo (+1203) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ apparently I have photo posts now." (view diff)
# hamhut1066.com edited /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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# tantek next logical step for my /photo posts would be to auto-POSSE *photo* posts in particular to FB, or perhaps https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_note_with_photos_to_Twitter
# tantek could you add yourself with when you first started doing so to the IndieWeb Examples: subsection there? https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_note_with_photos_to_Twitter
# tantek aaronpk: oh hey I found this one (actual photo), POSSEd with img to Twitter! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/06/3/iiw-indieweb
# tantek looks like adactio started doing that about a month after you! https://adactio.com/notes/7021
# tantek needs to update http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Post_Types
# Jeena I'm adding a header image to my events and I'd like the title to be on top of this image, but then it is almost impossible to make it pop out so it's easy to read on any background. Right now I have it like this https://jeena.net/s/latest.png but as you can see it's rather difficult to see on the white shirt of this woman in the background
# tantek does Bridgy Publish support POSSEing *photo* posts to Twitter? snarfed, kylewm (unclear from the docs at https://www.brid.gy/about#picture it that's only supported for FB, or Twitter too)
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# kongaloosh.com edited /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (+17) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
# Kongaloosh rhiaro: can I be robot-kongaloosh again for the next HWC?
# tantek hence it makes it a much nicer photo posting client in that regard (assuming you treat their server and /ownyourgram as part of the "client" ;) )
# KevinMarks except the api still pads to square, so pestagram doesn't see it
# Kongaloosh I'm so ready.
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# tantek how to discover an indie photo from an instagram photo that was (possibly) posted via /ownyourgram
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# KevinMarks https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11326049_1603898359859488_1062516886_n.jpg is the api link for your photo
# snarfed speaking of original post discovery, apologies if this is already in your queues, but aaronpk tantek KevinMarks kylewm KartikPrabhu: i think we have a tentative plan for revamping bridgy's behavior for handling POSSE vs non POSSE posts and responses: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51#issuecomment-136792750
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# snarfed1 aww thanks!
# snarfed1 i definitely don't plan to pollute bridgy with cookie support. it'll make silos *very* unhappy, so i want to compartmentalize that ire
# snarfed1 plus i comment on IG maybe once a month or so
# snarfed1 right
# snarfed1 but regardless, very very not kosher
# snarfed1 nah. cookies aren't really compartmentalized by capability
# snarfed1 in general, once i have it, i can do anything i want as you
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# cleverdevil so, who is the person who does most of the work on bridgy?
# cleverdevil would love to get help troubleshooting an issue.
# KartikPrabhu that would be snarfed and kylewm
# @jordan_web @mattgemmell Have you looked at the indieweb opensource solution @withknown, up to 200 people per site, https://withknown.com/opensource/ (twitter.com/_/status/638797104618586112)
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# cleverdevil cool, thanks KartikPrabhu.
# snarfed1 cleverdevil: ssl woes?
# cleverdevil yep!
# cleverdevil I may be doing something dumb, of course :)
# snarfed1 whee
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# cleverdevil I am happy to provide examples, if needed!
# cleverdevil heh, no worries.
# cleverdevil cool
# cleverdevil hah
# cleverdevil tl;dr - if I make a post on my Known site and it is detected by bridgy on Facebook or Twitter with an https:// URI, things fail.
# cleverdevil if it uses http://, everything works.
# cleverdevil specific example -> https://www.facebook.com/10101418101899349/posts/10101448030806579
# cleverdevil actually, it says "failed" in bridgy but it looks like it worked :/
# cleverdevil this is my bridgy -> https://www.brid.gy/facebook/10101418101899349#
# cleverdevil looks like it started working
# cleverdevil so, maybe resolved :)
# cleverdevil yeah, I just noticed that too... weird...
# snarfed "error_text': u'The target page https://cleverdevil.io/10101859667632951/laying-in-bed-with-the-entire-family-after-a-tough does not exist."
# cleverdevil nods
# snarfed ok, log of your last h-feed fetch is https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1441132821&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyIwsSDEZhY2Vib29rUGFnZSIRMTAxMDE0MTgxMDE4OTkzNDkM
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# snarfed ahhhh i bet this is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368
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# cleverdevil :)
# cleverdevil good to know.
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# cleverdevil yah, I'd *love* to get it working... been busy lately (house undergoing renovations, kids first day of school, work, etc.)
# cleverdevil I did write an `h-review` focused Known plugin, tho
# cleverdevil been doing posts, as well.
# cleverdevil I have some bugs (syndication doesn't work, for some reason)
# cleverdevil I've noticed that the Known community is pretty small :)
# cleverdevil not many devs working on it yet.
# cleverdevil I'm working with my employer a bit (DreamHost) to see if we can get some attention shined on Known, though.
# cleverdevil frankly, I'd like to see us get more involved in the IndieWeb in general!
# cleverdevil yeah, I am not complaining, just trying to see how we can do more :)
# cleverdevil for context, DreamHost has over 700,000 installs of WordPress.
# cleverdevil its in a whole other world.
# cleverdevil but, I *really* like Known.
# cleverdevil such a great foundation, and good idea.
# cleverdevil hah, ironically that's exactly the situation I was in.
# cleverdevil prepping to implement my own.
# cleverdevil :D
# cleverdevil then I realized: 1. I don't have the time and 2. it was necessary
# cleverdevil I also discovered Known, which led me to IndieWeb as well.
# KartikPrabhu tbh CMS is what is making blogging harder than tweetering
# cleverdevil there are lots of CMSes for sure.
# cleverdevil not lots of good ones :)
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# tantek cleverdevil: I challenge you to provide examples of "good" CMSes, besides say /Known and /WordPress :)
# cleverdevil tantek: I don't hate Ghost... ;)
# cleverdevil tantek: and I like the idea of most of the static ones, too.
# KartikPrabhu are static site generators considered CMSs?
# cleverdevil ^^
# cleverdevil that's my issue.
# cleverdevil I didn't want something mind-numbingly complex and overly "powerful."
# KartikPrabhu what is CMS?
# Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on a website, even on indieweb sites https://indiewebcamp.com/cms
# KartikPrabhu so if one uses micropub to create, edit, delete etc... does that make micropub a CMS?
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: tantek: I don't think you are really disagreeing. Some people should build better CMS/tools for indieweb, but most can just contribute/re-use the,
# KartikPrabhu decoupling++
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: errr not if the CMS is very bloated which is always the case
# KartikPrabhu oh yeah that ^
# cleverdevil (afk on a call)
# KartikPrabhu that is why I did not use Wordpress for my site
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# tantek also, the existing "communities" around a single CMS tend to be /monoculture laden
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: yes agreed on that part. Self-made sites tend to be stuck in an un-managed code rut
# KartikPrabhu should work on polishing some /Bundle stuff to make it open source
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# snarfed anyway. on an unrelated note, any thoughts on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51#issuecomment-136792750 ?
# tantek snarfed, here's a # for you - 18 micropub server implementations http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#IndieWeb_Examples
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# snarfed my kingdom for https://snarfed.org/indie-stats ! :P
# tantek separately - does Bridgy Publish to FB do *updates* ? e.g. if I Bridgy Publish a permalink from my site to FB, and the permalink already has a u-syndication link to a FB post, is Bridgy Publish smart enough to recognize that and try to *update* the FB POSSE copy instead of creating a new POSSE copy?
# snarfed um it looks like it supports tagging fine https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.4/user/feed#pubfields
# kylewm tantek: snarfed: more info here, although hopefully it is out of date and FB support is better now! http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#Mention_Tagging
# snarfed tantek: already there https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/84
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# cleverdevil de-lurks.
# cleverdevil as a web host, I would not love a world with thousands of CMSess :)
# cleverdevil super hard to support!
# KartikPrabhu there already are thousands of CMSs just not indieweb ones
# cleverdevil true.
# cleverdevil I (personally) don't see a problem with a world with a dominant group of 3-5 CMSes, as long as they are the right ones.
# KartikPrabhu "right" ones :P
# cleverdevil with probably thousands of black hole CMSes filling the gaps.
# cleverdevil ;)
# cleverdevil its a fair LOL
# cleverdevil there is no right and wrong
# cleverdevil what I really mean is that there are only so many use cases, and I expect that a smaller number of CMSes will gather around those use cases
# cleverdevil and just evolve into larger, more dominant user bases
# cleverdevil which I don't have an issue with.
# tantek to tag people in a FB post via their API, the post must also have a location according to https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.4/user/feed#pubfields "tags - Comma-separated list of user IDs of people tagged in this post. You cannot specify this field without also specifying a place."
# KartikPrabhu not really. there are thousands of use-cases. Look at the repo of Wordpress plugins
# cleverdevil 80% of people will be served just fine with those dominant CMSes
# cleverdevil KartikPrabhu: yes, but WP is a single CMS that handles a *bunch* of use cases.
# KartikPrabhu and hence has become bloated
# cleverdevil aaronpk: there are WP plugins for damn near everything :)
# tantek snarfed, coincidentally, kylewm is the only active person here who has posted venue posts http://indiewebcamp.com/venues#Kyle_Mahan
# tantek oh you haven't POSSEd checkins to Foursquare? many others have: http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin#IndieWeb_Examples
# kylewm that sounds like https://snarfed.org/indie-checkin-flow
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# snarfed even implemented in https://github.com/snarfed/ownyourcheckin
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: p3k does backfeeD?
# KartikPrabhu how about backf3d :P
# KartikPrabhu what's the theme for rest of p3k names?
# KartikPrabhu what is p3k?
# Loqi pзk (pronounced "peek") is the name of the software that runs aaronparecki.com and indiewebcat.com https://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p3k naming convention" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102G
# KartikPrabhu haha!
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: no. will be hanging at the Monocole instead
# aaronparecki.com created /p3k_naming_convention (+371) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-01/line/1441141165432" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu backfeed could be Telegram
# KartikPrabhu Sonar can be sound/music thingie
# KartikPrabhu IMO anything talking to a silo can be the same lib
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# KartikPrabhu lol
# KartikPrabhu Polaroid
# KartikPrabhu but that maybe TM
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: "Obscura" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura
# KartikPrabhu yup totally
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# KevinMarks hacks on hovercard some more, realises how oddly nested everyone's h-* things are
# KevinMarks you putting your h-entry inside your h-feed inside your h-card
# KevinMarks braces himself for rewriting this recursively
# KevinMarks it has lots to do with trying to replicate silo hovercard ux
# cleverdevil pretty cool, Jeena :)
# moredhel thx rhiaro, I have added myself, see you thursday (if not before)
# tantek jrenslin: you don't need to go to "the start page", the /authorship algorithm already provides a way to go from a post permalink to an author's URL
# tantek or /events-stream ?
# tantek e.g. http://werd.io/content/events is definitely an events stream, shown in reverse chronological order of when the events were created
# aaronpk has that too tho not as pretty as Jeena's http://aaronparecki.com/events
# tantek aaronpk: haha I looked for yours at http://aaronparecki.com/events/ but just got a 404 (note trailing slash) ;)
# aaronpk currently I think of it as a stream just like http://aaronparecki.com/articles http://aaronparecki.com/notes etc
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# aaronpk I have a calendar view of all my archives, which I think is kind of fun, but not a practical way to actually browse things http://aaronparecki.com/2015/08
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# cleverdevil blurgh, now my SSL bridgy fails are happening on twitter too :P
# kylewm cleverdevil: your webmention endpoint is replying to the POST with 400 "The target page https://cleverdevil.io/2015/my-boy-at-the-beach does not exist."
# cleverdevil I saw that... but it does exist :)
# cleverdevil maybe a bug in Known?
# kylewm i notice that bridgy is using the http endpoint, http://cleverdevil.io/webmention/
# cleverdevil could be... says its cached.
# cleverdevil can we clear the cache and do a retry?
# cleverdevil maybe it'll use the https one.
# cleverdevil ;)
# cleverdevil clicking...
# aaronpk possibly related? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/637372993644027904
# @benwerd Today's lesson: if libraries would take X-Forwarded-Proto into account when detecting HTTPS, that would be just dandy. (twitter.com/_/status/637372993644027904)
# cleverdevil worked.
# cleverdevil might be something about how I've got my Known instance setup.
# kylewm benwerd: it looks like this would do it https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/9f82de3783c643be2151d186537d710997c6d3ac/Idno/Core/Config.php#L310
# cleverdevil \o/
# cleverdevil benwerd++
# cleverdevil My next project may be a way to post photos to my Known site (via micropub) via an Apple Photos Share Sheet...
# cleverdevil probably would be smart for bridgy to use the same protocol as the target
# cleverdevil nods.
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# cleverdevil what I'm actually thinking is maybe making something more generic.
# cleverdevil that you can install and then configure to be more scriptable.
# cleverdevil maybe have a directory full of executable scripts
# cleverdevil and just list those on the share sheet
# cleverdevil nods.
# cleverdevil I already have some Python code that can do the actual publishing.
# cleverdevil (that's the easy bit)