#indiewebcamp 2015-09-03

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KevinMarks hm, how do I size an iframe to be the exact same size as the containing page?
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kylewm KevinMarks: it is a challenge! I've done it by posting a message from the inner window, and receiving it in the outer window https://github.com/kylewm/broccoli/blob/master/broccoli/templates/embed/comments.html#L13 https://github.com/kylewm/broccoli/blob/master/broccoli/templates/embed/broccoli.js#L31
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KevinMarks hm
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KevinMarks I was hoping for a declarative way
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KevinMarks I could run js in the 1st iframe to set the size of the second
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KevinMarks OK, found a way
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/hovertest
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KevinMarks now the ones with mf2 just become shrunken
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KevinMarks s/with/without/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: now the ones without mf2 just become shrunken
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KevinMarks and about.me works if I do that to it
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KevinMarks though g+ fails
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KevinMarks ah. just blew up my quota on unmung wiht testing
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KevinMarks hm, how?
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KevinMarks guess the background reparse was overeager on people who don't return 304
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KevinMarks gah
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KevinMarks how do I wake this up again?
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KevinMarks I suspect I need to rethink the etag/lastmod stuff
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kylewm KevinMarks: oh wow you blew your GAE quota?? assumed you meant G+ API
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KevinMarks well, that hovertest page did spawn a lot of instances
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KevinMarks and tantek and ben's pages take sveral seconds to parse each
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KevinMarks and they don't have etag/last modified, so I was churning them a lot
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KevinMarks that's the downside of taskqueue
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KevinMarks I spawned a lot of instances for it
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kylewm I think Bridgy just uses one instance for everything?
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kylewm scratch that, there are 2 instances
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[snarfed] KevinMarks: for non latency sensitive tasks, if you want to stay in the free tier, i suggest configuring your task queue to only run one at a time
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[snarfed] see bridgy's queue.yaml for an example
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[snarfed] kylewm: yeah I've tried to get bridgy to stick to one instance a couple times. it would still serve fine. i think it's just an unusual workload shape that the gae scheduled isn't perfectly tuned for
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[kevinmarks] I turned off the 6 minute ignore thing last night when I was testing caching and then reloading that page a lot was spawning lots of parses
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[snarfed] two instances is close enough
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[snarfed] s/scheduled/scheduler/
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[kevinmarks] I need to change the etag logic so sites that support 304 get to do so, and those that don't get the 6 minute ignore
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[snarfed] nods
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[kevinmarks] I could try the go parser, if they can share the memcache
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jrenslin hi, is anybody here using the webmention.io API? I'm currently trying to get that running with the domain variable (I want to get webmentions from there and then manually approve before publishing)
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jrenslin it works with the target variable, domain only returns an error msg though
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jrenslin.de edited /IRC_People (+92) "Added self" (view diff)
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kylewm jrenslin: is the error "Either an access token or a target URI is required" ?
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jrenslin well, if i access it via my browser, it is. If I run a script from the server, nothing is returned
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kylewm cc aaronpk
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kylewm (he's the author)
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jrenslin aye aye
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jrenslin and thanks anyway :)
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kylewm trying to figure out how to find one's access_token
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kylewm guessing it's a manual thing
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jrenslin hm, yep
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jrenslin maybe i'll restrict it on notes and articles for now, then i can just use the target links
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jrenslin even if that doesn't really scale
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jrenslin thanks for checking anyway
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aaronpk jrenslin: hey sorry!
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aaronpk checking...
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jrenslin hi, great :)
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aaronpk I thought i had made it show you the token after you sign in
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jrenslin when accessing the API?
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aaronpk no like on the dashboard. it's definitely not there tho so I must have dreamt it
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jrenslin nods
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aaronpk I will add it real quick :)
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jrenslin yays :)
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aaronpk jrenslin: it's there now :)
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jrenslin nice, thanks
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aaronpk kylewm: side effect of silo.pub, now you can sign in to IndieAuth services as twitter users
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aaronpk the indieauth URL ends up being https://silo.pub/twitter.com/aaronpk but it totally works :)
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silo.pub twitter.com aaronpk edited /silo.pub (+13) "and Twitter" (view diff)
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aaronpk like that
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KevinMarks it's a bit weird with Quill editor though, send html to twitter
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aaronpk haha yehhh that wouldn't work so well
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aaronpk changes coming soon on that front tho
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kylewm aaronpk: out of curiosity, why does domain= require an access token but target= doesn't?
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KevinMarks uh oh - I like that it posts HTML to the other places it works
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aaronpk KevinMarks: we were talking about making it more explicit. since right now technically it's kind of a security hole/risk that that's supported
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aaronpk kylewm: two answers, 1) I thought people might not want others to have the ability to query for all mentions of all URLs (since using webmention.io for a public JS-only mentions list means the token is exposed)
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aaronpk 2) the token is used to look up what account to retrieve mentions for if no domain is in the request
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aaronpk it's more of an implementation detail (and one that is pretty easy to change) that domain= requires it too
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KevinMarks looking at crazy giphy features and wondering about svg versions
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aaronpk KevinMarks: more discussion here http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#HTML_Escaping
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aaronpk i'm pretty convinced this is the right thing at this point
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aaronpk i'm planning on puttting up a banner on Quill that lets you opt in to that change
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aaronpk but new users will get the new behaviour by default
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KevinMarks hm, so I cn just set the params for the default queue to max_concurrent_requests: 1 and that should stop it spawning loads of instances?
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[snarfed] KevinMarks: yes
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KevinMarks hm, that seems to bring it down to 1 instance
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KevinMarks interetsing
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KevinMarks OK, so if I now change the caching profile for the non etag/lm set then I can make it more responsive for the others
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kylewm.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+0) "/* HTML Escaping */ minor typo, s/h-entry/h=entry" (view diff)
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@CaptainKurtis @vivolalibertad I personally think @justinamash should use #indieweb tech to POSSE from his site to Facebook since they are a Prism partner. (twitter.com/_/status/639292314783891456)
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kylewm sanity check: is it a bad idea to run https://github.com/atmos/camo on the same server as Woodwind and proxy all images through it?
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kylewm it doesn't do any caching, so every request for an image will have to go through my server
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: do you know of this: https://carlo.zottmann.org/2013/04/14/google-image-resizer/
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KartikPrabhu google hosted but does both resizing and https and caching
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KartikPrabhu i was comtemplating using it for my avatars to do SSL and caching and lazy-loading. Of course keeping the original URL in my backend for future changes
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: seems pretty sketchy... images1-focus-opensocial?
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kylewm ok i'm running camo now, with nginx caching! we'll see how it goes
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: hmm maybe
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kylewm it doesn't like Kevin's avatar
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kylewm possibly because Content-Disposition:"attachment; filename=km.jpg"
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KevinMarks google image resizer is pretty good
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KevinMarks I used it for responsive images for willsomeone
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: good to know. ups my chances of using it
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/responsive-images-with-google-image-resizer-on-4x-screen-android
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KevinMarks is serving the full size image really worth it? dunno but it looks good
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KevinMarks and the 32x32 looks good on the 1x screen
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KartikPrabhu responsive images are a tough balancing act
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KevinMarks svg++
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Loqi svg has 7 karma
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KartikPrabhu for icons most def. for photos not so much
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KevinMarks yes, trye
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KevinMarks using a 4x screen is interesting
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KevinMarks 'cos 4x images for big things make less sense
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KevinMarks but for icons, they do work better
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KartikPrabhu yes. but for icons I would always use svg
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[kevinmarks] I mean avatars
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KartikPrabhu aah yes for avatars/small images it does seem that high x images provide better clarity
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GWG Morning all
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LanceyWork good morning GWG
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@oler Endlich ist der Mitschnitt online! Felix @diplix Schwenzel: Indie war gestern https://www.youtube.com/ #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639423821771091968)
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@diplix RT @oler: Endlich ist der Mitschnitt online! Felix @diplix Schwenzel: Indie war gestern https://www.youtube.com/ #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639425328507654144)
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@FrauClodette Yay! Ein neues Video von der #nebenan✨: @diplix mit seinem Vortrag "Indie war gestern" https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639425397948575744)
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@betahausHH RT @oler: Endlich ist der Mitschnitt online! Felix @diplix Schwenzel: Indie war gestern https://www.youtube.com/ #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639426044143996928)
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@JREnslin #Webmentions work now :3 http://jrenslin.de/i.php/note/56 (twitter.com/_/status/639438834334351360)
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[snarfed] diplix: great talk! https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/
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@petermolnar @atChrisMc just read your entry https://t.co/f9t9Cq4vkR, so by curiosity: have you heard of http://indiewebcamp.com ? (twitter.com/_/status/639450215783735296)
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@FrauCrafteln RT @FrauClodette: Yay! Ein neues Video von der #nebenan✨: @diplix mit seinem Vortrag "Indie war gestern" https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639450272016769024)
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snarfed kylewm++ for continuing his great work on adding flickr to bridgy
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Loqi kylewm has 229 karma
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snarfed almost done!
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aaronpk wow
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mapkyca snarfed, kylewm: wow, that's awesome!
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@prberaterin RT @oler: Endlich ist der Mitschnitt online! Felix @diplix Schwenzel: Indie war gestern https://www.youtube.com/ #nebenan #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639472608434618368)
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rhiaro Anyone coming to HWC Edinburgh ping me, I'll be asleep at my desk otherwise
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: I'll be just working on stuff remote
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: IRC or you want a talky?
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rhiaro I'm not actually sure if anyone else is coming IRL
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Kongaloosh oh no
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Kongaloosh I may just IRC then
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Kongaloosh because I'll be spotty
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Kongaloosh also, one of my dogs is sick, so it depends on if we can get him into a vet... I may not be able to come.
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: aww, good luck with that
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Kongaloosh he should just need antibiotics, but it could also be cancer. he's a rescue pup, so the fact that he's made it to 13 is pretty impressive.
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (+67) (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] Joshua Ramon Enslin wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style https://webmention.io/notification/D60nXfpu_txFJfbqErVukA
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (+105) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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legion.ddns.info edited /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Geng Online now...
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rhiaro camerongray, moredhel, ping Geng for access
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rhiaro Also camerongray add yourself to wiki :)
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Geng I will try to keep myself online.
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Kongaloosh what's everyone working on today?
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Geng Actually I was working on my phd research for the last week...
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snarfed Kongaloosh: flickr support in bridgy!
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Kongaloosh snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 136 karma
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Kongaloosh Geng: you go to edi right?
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snarfed all kylewm
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 230 karma
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Kongaloosh snarfed: that's really cool, I didn't know about that before. I'm thinking I've got a new thing to add C:
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Geng I am in the MF1
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Kongaloosh cool cool
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Kongaloosh maybe discussing this would be better for #indiechat? Geng, why don't you join that channel as well!
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Geng I am a green guy. Actually I just added my own template into the wiki last week..
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Geng Not so familiar with the webchat.
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Kongaloosh type '/join indiechat'
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Geng here?
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Kongaloosh yup
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Kongaloosh wait, is it forward or backward slash...
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Geng Em...
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@myfreeweb @blackpixel @rosyna but does it support Microformats 2 feeds? https://indiewebcamp.com/feed can't really "follow the web" without it ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/639491205752049664)
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camerongray Geng: I'm at the side door now
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@superfeedr @myfreeweb @blackpixel "the web" as in 50 people? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639492923097239552)
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fiatjaf.gmail.com.questo.email edited /coisas (+70) "report abandonment." (view diff)
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camerongray rhiaro: ?
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rhiaro Camerongray 1 sec
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fiatjaf.gmail.com.questo.email edited /webvatar (+542) "report support for major silos." (view diff)
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KevinMarks hm, I need to make the hovercards support etag/last-modified on the way out too, so if the link is on the page multiple times it doesn't keep reloading
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Loqi [bridgy] superfeedr replied '@myfreeweb @blackpixel "the web" as in 50 people? #indieweb' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/feed (https://twitter.com/superfeedr/status/639492923097239552)
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lvgeng_ Test if the client works.
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lvgeng_ I am Geng.
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@aaronpk @superfeedr Sometimes living in the future is lonely, at least until everyone else catches up. @myfreeweb @blackpixel #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/639500140718391297)
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@superfeedr @aaronpk very much! That's why I wouldn't call indieweb as being "the whole web" :) (twitter.com/_/status/639505225712316417)
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moredhel Geng, could you let us in pls?
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lvgeng_ sorry!!!
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan wrote a post that linked to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/-ATFLxv2uhc78lLnUbv0-A
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Gustafson posted https://www.aaron-gustafson.com/notebook/what-do-we-own/ that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ and http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention https://webmention.io/notification/ayZEeZnazaE4l1e3PxgTLw
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Jeena interesting I just got webmention spam with my homepage as destination and http://www.paranormalworld.com/?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&task=user&id=440809 as the source
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: do you also support pingback/trackback?
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Jeena ah pingback via webmention.io
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Jeena that could it be I guess
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Jeena you're right
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KartikPrabhu most likely from that since I don't see a link to your URL on that page
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KartikPrabhu :)
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Jeena yeah if it's just to my homepage I think I just send me an email, not checking for a link
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Jeena but perhaps I should
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aaronpk i definitely would check
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KartikPrabhu no i meant webmention protocol asks you to check for a link but pingback does not
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aaronpk pingback does. trackback does not
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah. I get those confused
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Jeena yeah, it's my implementation anyway so I can do whatever I want ;)
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aaronpk indeed
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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Jeena protocols shmotocols
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KartikPrabhu :P
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tantek.com edited /Federated_Social_Web (+575) "articles section, with evanpro article from 2010, benwerd article from 2012" (view diff)
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snarfed fun fact: as far as we know, we still haven't yet seen the first native spam webmention
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snarfed not too surprising, but interesting
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tantek.com edited /design (+250) "add articles section specifically related to user-centered design, add benwerd post" (view diff)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/425734652892958720
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@mcclure111 Please note: Per ISO ISO 8601 if it is not formatted like 1994-11-05T08:15:30-05:00 it is not a date, it is just "hanging out" (twitter.com/_/status/425734652892958720)
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KartikPrabhu there are too many datetime conventions to refer to one as a "date" and the rest as "hanging out"
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KevinMarks this byte thing is weird - it's like I took the hovercard thing I'm doing and made it a weird language http://byte.co/
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KartikPrabhu silos gonna silo
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@kevinmarks @kbdavis07 those aren't really microformats. If you supported microformats2 you could be part of the #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/microformats (twitter.com/_/status/639555129671221248)
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KevinMarks OK, going to try the indiewebify with microformast trick on the xoxo site examples
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KevinMarks https://github.com/kevinmarks/xoxofestmf2
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KevinMarks should I have before and after files in there?
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KevinMarks how's my h-card? https://github.com/kevinmarks/xoxofestmf2/blob/master/mf2attendee.html
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KevinMarks do we have an indie follow action to wrap around a twitter follow intent
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snarfed sounds like web actions or indie actions?
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snarfed (i know basically nothing about either :P)
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gRegorLove What is indie action?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-action
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