#indiewebcamp 2015-10-05

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acegiak morning, all
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aaronpk morning
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GWG Morning, acegiak
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acegiak I'm wondering if I should set up a script to go look at all the Images I hotlink in the process of reblogging them and cache them on my own storage incase those sites go down in future
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aaronpk i would
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aaronpk i am planning on doing that too
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acegiak aaronpk: I don't want to have to go through and change all the URLS in my posts so I'm thinking of having a Jquery script do it with an AJAX call when the posts get displayed
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aaronpk interesting idea
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GWG acegiak: There are plugins for WordPress that do that.
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aaronpk i'm definitely going to change the URLs, but mostly because I want to make sure I'm always serving everything over HTTPS so I have to serve my own URLs ayway
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mblaney hello indiewebcamp
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acegiak GWG: yeah but they wouldn't handle the cite metadata? Or would they do it with the javascript?
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GWG acegiak: It could be added to Post Kinds.
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mblaney an update on my reader: I ended up adding parsing microformats to SimplePie itself, will push it to my fork on github when I've ironed out a few bugs.
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aaronpk nice!
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mblaney now I'm looking for feeds that only publish h-entry's with no links to xml feeds in them, aaronpk I think you do that yes?
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aaronpk yep!
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mblaney (if SimplePie can discover a feed I let it do that, then it checks the original html for microformats)
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tantek what is an image proxy?
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Loqi An image proxy is a service that fetches and re-serves images from a new URL https://indiewebcamp.com/image_proxy
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mblaney aaronpk: cool as usual I'm using your site to test things :-)
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aaronpk mblaney: have you considered doing that in the other order? prioritizing microformats if present?
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acegiak mblaney, whisperfollow uses simplepie too. How often do you poll?
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acegiak aaronpk: yeah I prioritize microformats cause you can get better data out of it
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acegiak mblaney: I ask because limiting polling has ended up being an important challenge for me because otherwise my big subscription list rapidly gets out of hand
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mblaney aaronpk: yeah I thought about that, but in my case the xml is the minimal case because I'm only publishing the last 24 hours, so there's less to parse
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mblaney hi acegiak, I poll every hour unless a feed supports rssCloud and then I don't poll at all.
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aaronpk tantek: i'm having trouble understanding http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display Is the indentation under "IF there is no e-content OR it's too long, THEN" significant?
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mblaney yeah I've spent a lot of time trying to work out how to best poll with SimplePie, I ended up writing a cron system for it.
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acegiak ah neat. I'm polling every few minutes which is why it became an issue
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acegiak mblaney: yeah I hit my trigger script with cron
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acegiak mblaney, what are you using for your site?
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mblaney acegiak: I've written my own CMS called dobrado (it's at dobrado.net)
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acegiak neat! I'm using simplepie because its bundled in as a part of wordpress
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aaronpk hm yeah this doesn't seem to be written in a way that maps to code nicely
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mblaney acegiak: nice one, I wish it was still being maintained :-)
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aaronpk or the indentation is making it hard to read
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tantek aaronpk - the indentation is supposed to be a code block for the THEN clause of that IF statement you quoted
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tantek like you would have indentation inside a { } block
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/fg9Gd6nnGSyxrUQ3d_Q5Lw
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Loqi [mention] Andi Galpern, Kevin Marks, Justin Ormont, Ben Werdmüller, Tantek Çelik, Benjamin Michael Goering, Darius Dunlap, Lauren Buchman, Eva Lee, and Ryan Barrett were invited to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/J3wI9a7uFB7mwY1PEFKV9g
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan RSVPd no to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/CucsT8rB7yeEqrMXAXxbkw
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GWG Does anyone have any php code that takes a URL and generates a link preview from the mf2 properties in it?
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mblaney GWG I have a function called ShareFullText that does something similar: https://gitlab.com/dobrado/dobrado/blob/master/install/Writer.php#L331
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GWG mblaney: This is what I'm looking for. Some ideas on how to turn the parser output into a single array to use to generate a display.
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GWG mblaney: Although you are missing one thing
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GWG h-feed
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mblaney GWG I'm not actually sure what the purpose of h-feed is...
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GWG h-feed is a page of h-entrys.
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GWG So, you can attach the page description as the p-name of the h-feed.
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tantek mblaney++ for adding microformats support to his version of the SimplePie feed parsing library!
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mblaney thanks tantek, GWG that does sound useful. I might add it for that but I still think it's optional.
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GWG mblaney: It is hierarchy. If there is a name on the h-feed it would supersede name on the h-entry.
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mblaney isn't that assuming I want the name of the h-feed? at the moment I only want the name of the h-entry.
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Loqi gives mblaney the name of the h
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GWG mblaney: If there are more than 1 h-entrys...
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mblaney thanks Loqi :-)
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Loqi you're welcome
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tantek mblaney: see also http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed#Why
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mblaney GWG are you saying that if I don't find a property on the h-entry I should look on the h-feed?
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GWG mblaney: The other way round, actually.
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tantek GWG, I don't understand what problem you're trying to solve
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GWG tantek: Just trying to write a function that takes the output from php-mf2 and just extracts enough for a link preview.
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tantek GWG - maybe see existing work from kylewm
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GWG tantek: I was looking for php. kylewm uses python, doesn't he? But either way, will have to ask kylewm where he has something the next time he's around
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tantek pretty sure he added something to php-mf2 also
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mblaney GWG I guess it depends what you're trying to do.
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mblaney the /h-feed page does make a good point about providing a name for the feed, in my changes to SimplePie I pulled the name from the title element on the page... not so microformatty of me.
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mblaney the other interesting "Why" point is to get the author, but h-entry also provides an author so I'm not sure where I would use that.
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GWG mblaney: It doesn't have to. You could put the author on the h-feed and not include it in every individual h-entry
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mblaney sure I agree it's worth looking for but still think the h-entry author comes first. ie it could be a multi-author feed.
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GWG mblaney: Then there would be no author property on the h-feed if it was multi-author
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mblaney cool, though I was thinking it might still be useful, ie imagine a multi-author feed for an indiewebcamp event, with individual authors on h-entry's and something like "indiewebcamp attendees" on the h-feed.
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GWG If so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed, I wouldn't have to figure out how to code for the special case of
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GWG Either way, will pick this up tomorrow I suppose.
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@malcolmblaney microformats support in SimplePie for #indieweb readers (https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers) (twitter.com/_/status/650932452265848832)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers
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Kongaloosh !tell tbrb I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Kongaloosh !tell tbrb I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tbrb Kongaloosh: Oh cool - Reckon we should try that for tomorrow or should we wait for next week?
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Loqi tbrb: Kongaloosh left you a message 26 minutes ago: I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444036541199
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Loqi tbrb: Kongaloosh left you a message 25 minutes ago: I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444036616783
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Kongaloosh shrugs
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Kongaloosh it seemed cool
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Kongaloosh and I saw people with laptops, so....
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Kongaloosh wifi?
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tbrb fair, might be worth a look in at least
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Kongaloosh yeah, I'm down for bar50, but this place may be more comfortable. Not sure.
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tbrb Done the things I forgot to do last week
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@ThatEmil Homebrew Website Club, tomorrow @ inuse Malmö, 17.30! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/651042216878698496)
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@voxpelli In Malmö tomorrow? Website bulilder? Then join up at 17.30 for the second Homebrew Website Club at @inUse_swe: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/651042967730393088)
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voxpelli The Malmö team doing PR well in advance – 25 hours before the meetup, we're well prepared!
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aaronpk woohoo new post on indienews!
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aaronpk thinking about making the <title> tag and p-name for my notes be the first 5-7 words
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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aaronpk good morning
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tommorris mf2py just went 1.0.0 - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mf2py/1.0.0 :)
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kylewm tommorris++
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kylewm aaronpk: I think setting the p-name that way (as a prefix of the content) is interesting, has anyone else tried it?
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aaronpk not sure
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kylewm I'll have to remove my objection on https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery#%20I%20can%27t%20think%20of%20anyone%20who%20gives%20their%20notes%20an%20explicit%20title if you do ;)
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aaronpk I just saw one of my twitter cards expand in a Slack channel and it basically filled the whole window because it showed the full name and content which were identical
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aaronpk then I realized I had the entire note text in the <title> tag
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aaronpk with linebreaks and everything
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kylewm haha, like kevin's screenshot of mousing over the tab title of one of tantek's long notes
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Loqi hehe
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kylewm http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/i-can-read-ts-whole-post-in-chrome-hover-text
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Zegnat aaronpk, I think Tantek is known for doing that too. It breaks almost every RSS reader I use
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aaronpk i mean there is something to be said for clients handling the case of really long titles better
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Zegnat At least when titles and content match. Then again, there are loads of edge cases. Clients have to do fuzzy matching in case the title includes all text but no special HTML elements like VIDEO. Not as straight forward as it could be.
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aaronpk i mean there is nothing stopping regular RSS feeds from including really long titles too
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kylewm !tell tantek don't forget to send out invitations to 10/7 Homebrew!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Zegnat Sure, but people are more than likely to put “title”-content into the title. IndieWeb Notes on the other hand do not have titles by design and then chose to set content as the title. I am not sure this is a problem with feeds or with the current IndieWeb implementations
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aaronpk it's definitely a limitation of RSS/Atom feeds
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kylewm required elements anti-pattern!
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Zegnat kylewm: title element is not require by RSS 2.0. The only requirement is that “at least one of title or description must be present”. Which is not a problem.
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tommorris yep, RSS 2.0 doesn't require it and in Atom, you can use an empty string. <atom:title></atom:title> is perfectly fine iirc.
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aaronpk in practice, nearly every RSS/Atom reader expects it tho
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Zegnat I am not sure about the status of readers on that, might be worth looking into. I believe Feedbin handles items without titles just fine.
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Have you had a chance to try https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/71 to confirm it's working now?
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gRegorLove (Or any other php-mf2 users)
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aaronpk i have not yet
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KevinMarks atom carefully defenes title/summary/content to give a 3 level expansion, but RSS doesn't distinguish
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tantek !tell GWG re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed.
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Loqi tantek: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: don't forget to send out invitations to 10/7 Homebrew! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444064475121
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek kylewm++ thanks for setting up the events! will do with sending out invitations today.
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tantek !tell voxpelli do you think HWC Malmö on Tuesdays will be a regular thing? every Tue or every other?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: every fourth perhaps, unsure, we're still trying to figure things out
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 10 minutes ago: do you think HWC Malmö on Tuesdays will be a regular thing? every Tue or every other? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444071072135
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voxpelli depends on how many people comes and what they feel
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tantek great, no problem. but Tuesdays instead of Wednesdays? just trying to capture patterns to set expectations.
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tantek !tell GWG what do you think are the chances of planning an IWC NYC 2015 between now and the end of the year?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: yeah, our venue didn't work out on Wednesdays so we thought we would sync up with Edinburgh instead
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tantek voxpelli: makes sense! glad you're able to sync-up
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tantek similarly, is Edinburgh for sure switching to Tuesdays too?
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voxpelli sounds like it
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tantek !tell ben_thatmustbeme,rhiaro do you want to or are even partially interested in helping organize an IWC MIT in November (maybe 11/14-15?) Please -1/0/+1 comment on: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I just found an example NYT (mobile) with incomplete FB /OGP markup (no image), yet includes much more /Twitter_card markup e.g. meta property="twitter:image" cc: GWG http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2015/10/01/ask-well-a-long-walk-or-a-short-stair-climb/
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tantek I'm definitely getting pretty tired of how many sites even home pages are js;dr these days - and am thinking of creating proper parseable HTML+CSS proxies for them - on my own domain
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tantek Recent examples include restaurant sites, it's as if they learned nothing from the failures of their previous generation of Flash-only restaurant sites
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tantek perhaps that is the itch that is going to make me scratch it with indie /venue pages
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tantek wondering if this is a use-case for anyone else?
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tantek most recent js;dr venue home page example: http://www.themillsf.com/
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aaronpk don't blame the restaurants, blame the people that make the tools that make restaurant websites and the agencies that do the consulting gigs for restaurant sites
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tantek I blame the restaurants because they are the ones *paying* for it (thus *voting* for it)
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aaronpk clicking those little nav buttons don't even take you to the right spot ugh
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tantek if my extended hypotheses about js;dr are correct, I (or any of us) should be able to out-search-engine-game the restaurant's own home pages with my own venue pages for them
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aaronpk ultimately the restaurant owner shouldn't have to know about the underlying technology. they should be complaining to the people they are paying that the site "doesn't work", for some value of "doesn't work" that is a result of js;dr
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tantek right, they were too clueless to know to complain that flash-only didn't work for many customers, so expectedly, they're too clueless to know to complain that js;dr doesn't work for many customers.
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KevinMarks also, google want them to make google local pages for themselves
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tantek what is Google Local?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Local" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103v
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aaronpk it will be fixed when there are visible reasons that js;dr sites are worse
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aaronpk "clueless" isn't really an actionable criticism
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tantek I'm even thinking of encoding a teaching experience into the indie venue page - that is, e.g. on my page for The Mill, I would still include a link to their own home page, however with caveats like WARNING: Unreadable on some browsers due to Javascript. See js;dr for more.
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tantek aaronpk agreed hence the teaching experience thoughts (simultaneous typing :) )
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tantek I believe we can outgame all js;dr sites
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tantek with our own versions
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@jkphl Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/651123345048530944)
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tantek eventually *someone* at the restaurants etc. will notice hey why are all these sites higher ranked than our own?
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aaronpk i agree!
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tantek and at that point, if we all (or even some/most of us) explain on our indie venue pages WHY our pages are well ranked (and why the restaurants' own sites are not), some of them may learn and pass on the requests (with handy citations from us :) )
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tantek wondering if I should add this to /venue#Why
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tantek as in why make your own indie venue pages
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tantek hah - perhaps this will be a good *start* to /venue#Why :) - feel free anyone - I'm out to lunch for a bit
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@fabiantiedemann RT @voxpelli: Satte ihop en snabb översikt igÃ¥r över IndieWeb-rörelsen och den oberoende sociala webben (och nämner Twitter/Jaiku): http://… (twitter.com/_/status/651124096164433922)
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gRegorLove What is Google Places?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Places" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103w
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gRegorLove Is that the same as Google Local?
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gRegorLove Tangent: I've had a friend tell me he would love an app or website that lets you easily view a restaurants menu and keep track of what you've tried there. I've thought about doing it as a web app, although not very seriously. Getting the menu information in initially is the hardest part.
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aaronpk omfg speaking of js;dr http://www.openswitch.net/
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gRegorLove Thought about scraping menupages.com. They use vcard for the address, but no other mf. e.g. http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/1vizio/menu
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[kevinmarks] apparently they're now 'google my business'
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gRegorLove Another year, another name. :)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.google.com/business/
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gRegorLove There's still a 'Places' API https://developers.google.com/places/
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[kevinmarks] right. which now doesn't create a page, but a sidebar on search
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ben_thatmustbeme hey tantek
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 42 minutes ago: do you want to or are even partially interested in helping organize an IWC MIT in November (maybe 11/14-15?) Please -1/0/+1 comment on: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444073251819
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ben_thatmustbeme thank you loqi
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Loqi woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme my problem with weekend ones is that MBTA doesn't run until almost noon on sundays
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ben_thatmustbeme s/MBTA/MBTA Commuter Rail/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: my problem with weekend ones is that MBTA Commuter Rail doesn't run until almost noon on sundays
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tantek what is js;dr?
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr
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tantek aaronpk: feel free to expand that "omfg speaking of" with particulars here: https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr#Open_Switch
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aaronpk ha cool
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, tantek, regarding IWC for november
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ben_thatmustbeme I did meet someone from the area at a tech conf who was very interested in helping organize one
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ben_thatmustbeme she used to do indie web dev way back, and had her own "newbieconf" which never took off due to confusion over what exactly it was for
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@aviationsteve RT @jkphl: Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://t.co/LbidVbKDk… (twitter.com/_/status/651142827611557889)
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GWG Just passing through, but still no word from anyone with a venue, zachdonovan is still missing. Might throw ny weight behind another Northeast location if we have any interest
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 39 minutes ago: re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444070009830
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: what do you think are the chances of planning an IWC NYC 2015 between now and the end of the year? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444071775443
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tantek rhiaro: that's good timing for IWC MIT right before Social Web f2f (modulo Thanksgiving in the middle)
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KevinMarks_ http://motherboard.vice.com/read/im-on-twitter-too turning off comments because emails are better?
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aaronpk well that's one way to curate comments "Once a week or thereabouts we'll publish a digest of the most insightful letters we get."
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aaronpk call them "letters" and maybe people will be more thoughtful when writing emails?
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kylewm yeah that's strange logic. comments are bad because we don't moderate them, so we'll moderate emails instead
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/reader https://webmention.io/notification/O3FaO7hgcpcrHBV4Sumn8Q
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mblaney !tell aaronpk what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk too many things expect a title, I'm afraid if I leave it empty it will have worse results
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Loqi aaronpk: mblaney left you a message 54 seconds ago: what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison). http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444084319457
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mblaney like how some rss readers show <i>no title</i> instead of literally no title? yes I can understand that.
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aaronpk i don't even know what google search results would look like with no title
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aaronpk same with twitter/facebook previews
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tantek yeah
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kylewm I like the idea of first few words, I will probably follow your lead if you like it
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tantek link-preview silo practices
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mblaney I just did an A/B comparison with two different posts.... google didn't look any different :-)
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tantek mblaney: I'm curious how you're testing "google". would that be search? or G+? or Gmail? or... ?"
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tantek mblaney: see also /link-preview for a lot more on this subject
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mblaney yeah sorry I just meant search.
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@kevinmarks Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twitter.com/_/status/651165250666938369)
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mblaney I would be interested to know if it improved silo previews too.
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twitter.com/_/status/651167471160852480)
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@inerdly RT @kevinmarks: Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twitter.com/_/status/651167482783227905)
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tantek KevinMarks: that's js;dr (semicolon) :)
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@kevinmarks Did facebook just get rid of "maybe" from events? #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/651173042207391745/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/651173042207391745)
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Loqi [mention] Arezu Aghasey RSVPd yes to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/-Pnxu5tLC6tqMHxW7cmbvg
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Loqi [mention] Rohit Khare, Liza Sperling, Pascale Diaine, Ariel Waldman, Erin Jo Richey, Sarah Dopp, Ben Ward, and Faruk AteÅŸ were invited to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/D36X-tHEZYBzPWsZv0ZWpA
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Loqi [mention] Leah Culver, Joseph Smarr, Chris Messina, Monica Wilkinson, Jason Shellen, Daniel Burka, Elisa Jo Harkness, Lonnie Rae, Matt Mullenweg, Katarzyna Babula, Deb Schultz, Katie Johnson, Yoz Grahame, Matt Biddulph, Eddie Codel, Edward O'Connor, Sabrina Bruning, Natalie Downe, Simon Willison, and Will Norris were invited to https://webmention.io/notification/ChkciR98kBBld42eZChhjQ
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