#acegiakI'm wondering if I should set up a script to go look at all the Images I hotlink in the process of reblogging them and cache them on my own storage incase those sites go down in future
#acegiakaaronpk: I don't want to have to go through and change all the URLS in my posts so I'm thinking of having a Jquery script do it with an AJAX call when the posts get displayed
#GWGacegiak: There are plugins for WordPress that do that.
#aaronpki'm definitely going to change the URLs, but mostly because I want to make sure I'm always serving everything over HTTPS so I have to serve my own URLs ayway
#mblaneyan update on my reader: I ended up adding parsing microformats to SimplePie itself, will push it to my fork on github when I've ironed out a few bugs.
#mblaneyaaronpk: cool as usual I'm using your site to test things :-)
#aaronpkmblaney: have you considered doing that in the other order? prioritizing microformats if present?
#acegiakmblaney, whisperfollow uses simplepie too. How often do you poll?
#acegiakaaronpk: yeah I prioritize microformats cause you can get better data out of it
#acegiakmblaney: I ask because limiting polling has ended up being an important challenge for me because otherwise my big subscription list rapidly gets out of hand
#mblaneyaaronpk: yeah I thought about that, but in my case the xml is the minimal case because I'm only publishing the last 24 hours, so there's less to parse
#mblaneyhi acegiak, I poll every hour unless a feed supports rssCloud and then I don't poll at all.
#GWGtantek: I was looking for php. kylewm uses python, doesn't he? But either way, will have to ask kylewm where he has something the next time he's around
#tantekpretty sure he added something to php-mf2 also
#mblaneyGWG I guess it depends what you're trying to do.
#mblaneythe /h-feed page does make a good point about providing a name for the feed, in my changes to SimplePie I pulled the name from the title element on the page... not so microformatty of me.
#mblaneythe other interesting "Why" point is to get the author, but h-entry also provides an author so I'm not sure where I would use that.
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#GWGmblaney: It doesn't have to. You could put the author on the h-feed and not include it in every individual h-entry
#mblaneysure I agree it's worth looking for but still think the h-entry author comes first. ie it could be a multi-author feed.
#GWGmblaney: Then there would be no author property on the h-feed if it was multi-author
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#mblaneycool, though I was thinking it might still be useful, ie imagine a multi-author feed for an indiewebcamp event, with individual authors on h-entry's and something like "indiewebcamp attendees" on the h-feed.
#GWGIf so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed, I wouldn't have to figure out how to code for the special case of
#GWGEither way, will pick this up tomorrow I suppose.
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#Kongaloosh!tell tbrb I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC
#Loqitbrb: Kongaloosh left you a message 25 minutes ago: I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444036616783
#aaronpkI just saw one of my twitter cards expand in a Slack channel and it basically filled the whole window because it showed the full name and content which were identical
#aaronpkthen I realized I had the entire note text in the <title> tag
#Zegnataaronpk, I think Tantek is known for doing that too. It breaks almost every RSS reader I use
#aaronpki mean there is something to be said for clients handling the case of really long titles better
#ZegnatAt least when titles and content match. Then again, there are loads of edge cases. Clients have to do fuzzy matching in case the title includes all text but no special HTML elements like VIDEO. Not as straight forward as it could be.
#aaronpki mean there is nothing stopping regular RSS feeds from including really long titles too
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#kylewm!tell tantek don't forget to send out invitations to 10/7 Homebrew!
#ZegnatSure, but people are more than likely to put “title”-content into the title. IndieWeb Notes on the other hand do not have titles by design and then chose to set content as the title. I am not sure this is a problem with feeds or with the current IndieWeb implementations
#aaronpkit's definitely a limitation of RSS/Atom feeds
#Zegnatkylewm: title element is not require by RSS 2.0. The only requirement is that “at least one of title or description must be present”. Which is not a problem.
#tommorrisyep, RSS 2.0 doesn't require it and in Atom, you can use an empty string. <atom:title></atom:title> is perfectly fine iirc.
#aaronpkin practice, nearly every RSS/Atom reader expects it tho
#ZegnatI am not sure about the status of readers on that, might be worth looking into. I believe Feedbin handles items without titles just fine.
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#tantek!tell GWG re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed.
#tantek.comedited /2015/planning (-33) "update dates, focus possibilities, sort all future potential IWC by potential date to see about overlap" (view diff)
#tantek.comedited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+2) "no one has stepped for DC, dropping from 2015. Add MIT since sandro and rhiaro have hinted at possibility of making one happen in the fall" (view diff)
#tantek.comedited /Main_Page (-185) "/* IndieWebCamp */ update most recent, change next to most recent annual, update 2015 to planning" (view diff)
#jkphl.iscreated /2016/Nuremberg (+4556) "Created page with "= <span class="p-name summary">IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016</span> = The '''first IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg''', but just one of many [[IndieWebCamps]]! <div class="p-description..."" (view diff)
#tantek.comedited /Main_Page (+193) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ update known locations for 2015-10-07, remove old commented out locations, comment out Brighton, G" (view diff)
#tantek!tell ben_thatmustbeme,rhiaro do you want to or are even partially interested in helping organize an IWC MIT in November (maybe 11/14-15?) Please -1/0/+1 comment on: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning
#tantekI'm definitely getting pretty tired of how many sites even home pages are js;dr these days - and am thinking of creating proper parseable HTML+CSS proxies for them - on my own domain
#tantekRecent examples include restaurant sites, it's as if they learned nothing from the failures of their previous generation of Flash-only restaurant sites
#tantekperhaps that is the itch that is going to make me scratch it with indie /venue pages
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#tantekwondering if this is a use-case for anyone else?
#aaronpkdon't blame the restaurants, blame the people that make the tools that make restaurant websites and the agencies that do the consulting gigs for restaurant sites
#tantekI blame the restaurants because they are the ones *paying* for it (thus *voting* for it)
#aaronpkclicking those little nav buttons don't even take you to the right spot ugh
#tantekif my extended hypotheses about js;dr are correct, I (or any of us) should be able to out-search-engine-game the restaurant's own home pages with my own venue pages for them
#aaronpkultimately the restaurant owner shouldn't have to know about the underlying technology. they should be complaining to the people they are paying that the site "doesn't work", for some value of "doesn't work" that is a result of js;dr
#tantekright, they were too clueless to know to complain that flash-only didn't work for many customers, so expectedly, they're too clueless to know to complain that js;dr doesn't work for many customers.
#KevinMarksalso, google want them to make google local pages for themselves
#aaronpkit will be fixed when there are visible reasons that js;dr sites are worse
#aaronpk"clueless" isn't really an actionable criticism
#tantekI'm even thinking of encoding a teaching experience into the indie venue page - that is, e.g. on my page for The Mill, I would still include a link to their own home page, however with caveats like WARNING: Unreadable on some browsers due to Javascript. See js;dr for more.
#tantekand at that point, if we all (or even some/most of us) explain on our indie venue pages WHY our pages are well ranked (and why the restaurants' own sites are not), some of them may learn and pass on the requests (with handy citations from us :) )
#gRegorLoveTangent: I've had a friend tell me he would love an app or website that lets you easily view a restaurants menu and keep track of what you've tried there. I've thought about doing it as a web app, although not very seriously. Getting the menu information in initially is the hardest part.
#ben_thatmustbemeI did meet someone from the area at a tech conf who was very interested in helping organize one
#ben_thatmustbemeshe used to do indie web dev way back, and had her own "newbieconf" which never took off due to confusion over what exactly it was for
#GWGJust passing through, but still no word from anyone with a venue, zachdonovan is still missing. Might throw ny weight behind another Northeast location if we have any interest
#LoqiGWG: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 39 minutes ago: re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444070009830
#mblaney!tell aaronpk what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison).
#aaronpktoo many things expect a title, I'm afraid if I leave it empty it will have worse results
#Loqiaaronpk: mblaney left you a message 54 seconds ago: what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison). http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444084319457
#mblaneylike how some rss readers show <i>no title</i> instead of literally no title? yes I can understand that.
#aaronpki don't even know what google search results would look like with no title
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