#indiewebcamp 2015-10-13

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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/soulgalore/benice-ampproject
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snarfed1 !tell petermolnar relevant to your interests: http://jetpack.me/2015/10/12/jetpack-protection-from-brute-force-xml-rpc-attacks/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what are XML RPC attacks?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "XML RPC attacks" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104n
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/653715002310787072
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@Pinboard If your design team insists on including a lot of Javascript cruft and CSS resets, make them write it all out longhand with a quill pen (twitter.com/_/status/653715002310787072)
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kevinmarks Maciej is on a roll today
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tantek lol
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/653707963765403648
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@Pinboard Using a client-side templating engine on your mobile website will heat up the device in the user’s hand, making it feel cozy and homelike (twitter.com/_/status/653707963765403648)
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tantek hey my CSS reset was pretty minimal (if you don't count the comments/documentation)
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benwerd I badly want to be Maciej's friend
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kevinmarks he's a grumpy bugger
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tantek KevinMarks: in the past several years I have been very impressed by his talks, and his general much more positive outlook
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kevinmarks that's fair. His talks are great, yes.
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tantek in-person too - having chatted with him briefly after / near his talks, it's clear he has a much more positive outlook and attitude in general. it was really great to see.
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[shaners] aaronpk: kevinmarks: dnsimple.com makes bare domains on heroku dead simple.
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tantek shaners it is good to have you back in the channel
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@LightsThatChang RT @shauna_ummagma: Thanks @OlasKoolKitchen @IndieAuth for playing @LightsThatChang 'Voices' http://t.co/q0nO0ThSS8. The latest single htt… (twitter.com/_/status/653807579626381312)
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@benborges_ @flyosity @Snowden #indieweb @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/653831344200548352)
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kevinmarks today in "eventually every url is a porn site" news http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33200142
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tantek uh oh
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cweiske that's what you get for using per-campaign domains
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tantek.com edited /QR_codes (+1072) "Heinz expired QRcode squatted, via kevinmarks" (view diff)
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tantek cweiske: likely the marketing folks were being "agile" instead of dealing with corporate IT to use their "official" domain
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tantek doesn't want to think about how many domains Mozilla has registered
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tantek KevinMarks: and previously, even the FBI lost control of domains: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32929309
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tantek (not QR code related though)
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kevinmarks why is the fbi not using a .gov?
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tantek likely same problem. centralized IT bureaucracy makes it easier to "just" register new domains instead for new task forces
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tantek gov and big enterprise aren't that different in that way
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tantek KevinMarks: we were talking about document /audio and /podcast publishing examples where there is an associated "cover art" or "poster image" with the audio track
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tantek you mentioned NPR?
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kevinmarks planet money has them http://www.npr.org/sections/money/127413729/podcast/
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tantek cool - will let you document them on /podcast when you get the chance
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kevinmarks hm, not sure where it fits
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kevinmarks might make more sense in /audio
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tantek sure, both make sense
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tantek depending on the specific example
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kevinmarks soundcloud expects a cover image, follwing the jam model https://soundcloud.com/the-marksist/marks-mix-21-about-damn-time
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tantek that's even more interesting - if it expects one on the *consuming* side!
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tantek definitely worth documenting that on /audio#Silo_Examples !
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kevinmarks hm, also schema markup
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kevinmarks you know, AMP would work as a fallback for the pageaspreview model of hovercards
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tantek what do people think of the presentation of Science Hack Day events? E.g. http://sf.sciencehackday.org/
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@philbarker .@LornaMCampbell It's a similar approach to POSSE https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE & sounds like @pgogy is thinking along similar lines (twitter.com/_/status/653872580911345664)
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@petermolnar @Pgogy @philbarker @LornaMCampbell why would it? That what #webmentions are for, to have the communication layer. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/653878621757685760)
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tantek petermolnar: that is a confusing thread - glad you understand it at least!
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tantek lots of apparent jargon
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petermolnar all hail twitter and it's representation layer for threads
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Loqi petermolnar: snarfed1 left you a message 10 hours, 19 minutes ago: relevant to your interests: http://jetpack.me/2015/10/12/jetpack-protection-from-brute-force-xml-rpc-attacks/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-12/line/1444694787073
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tantek seriously, what is OER Sustainability? https://lornamcampbell.wordpress.com/2015/10/12/the-challenge-of-oer-sustainability/
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tantek heck what is OER?
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tantek https://twitter.com/VivienRolfe/status/652861939002011648
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@VivienRolfe The shear volume of our publicly-funded OER that are no longer available at all is quite staggering. #ukoer #oer https://twitter.com/VivienRolfe/status/652861939002011648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/652861939002011648)
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petermolnar I guess 'Open Education Resources'
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petermolnar !tell snarfed thanks, but I'm opting out of Jetpack since the only way to use it is to be wired into wordpress.com; although I am trying to dig the code for potential fixes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek yes - http://core.materials.ac.uk/ - in their header: "Open Educational Resources"
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petermolnar the truth is that it doesn't matter if we comment on that thread; some people have rock solid ideas of how collaboration should look, behave and be like and if you point them at a different approach they'll categorically reject it
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tantek it's ok if some reject it, as long as those that accept it are actually empowered and succeed more than those that reject. e.g. if those that accept have sites with better longevity.
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tantek interesting lots of txt file replies to https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/653437187862589440
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@benwerd Q: Which services do you use for all the to-dos in your life? eg, Asana, Wunderlist, GitHub, Jira, etc etc ..? (twitter.com/_/status/653437187862589440)
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tantek kind of interesting no one suggested using Known notes for this ;)
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tantek ultimately it makes sense for your "to-dos" (or GTD inbox(es) / next-actions) to be something you fully control using your own website (assuming well written offline support etc. obv)
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tantek though it's been interesting watching people use github issues as todo items
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j4y_funabashi tantek: Really want to get to a point where I can do that - notes+tasks on my own site
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tantek I think the key to figuring out that is documenting (your, others') existing working "systems" (whether txt file, git etc.) and seeing what pieces / common patterns they have
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tantek It does feel like we have a bunch of the building blocks
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tantek for me txt files are so darn convenient to quickly edit (lowest latency), and select ranges of things to move around
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tantek instead of having to drag or cut/paste etc. each item one at a time (which so many of these UIs make you do - even gmail is a pain like that, checkboxes for items etc.)
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j4y_funabashi How do people handle private posts? The bits I have read on the wiki seem to suggest all posts should be public?
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tantek what are private posts?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts
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tantek take a look j4y_funabashi ^^^
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j4y_funabashi ahh excellent, completely missed that :)
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tantek petermolnar: perhaps suggest to the OER folks that they study this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_founded_before_1995 and analyze why some of those have survived so long
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petermolnar they doesn't really seem to be friendly and open enough to keep on with that conversation in my opinion
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petermolnar but I like that list
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tantek presumably if they're educators, some of them will be scientific, and open to looking at data ;)
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tantek wow: http://vlib.org/
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tantek regarding /longevity, I've verified that archive.org has not only HTML, but some RSS and Atom too. What I can't seem to find is any archived JSON(LD).
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tantek and in quite the ironic /selfdogfood fail, http://json-ld.org/ (home page) does not actually reference / link to / any json-ld itself.
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tantek digging through the non-linked URLs (in plain text) I was able to find this: http://web.archive.org/web/20130715000000*/http://json-ld.org/contexts/person.jsonld
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tantek petermolnar: on the subject of longevity: https://twitter.com/t/status/653896438514999301
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@t Web #longevity question: What’s the oldest page in archive-org? Can you beat 1996-10-17 Yahoo? http://web.archive.org/web/19960415000000*/http://yahoo.com (ttk.me t4dg1) (twitter.com/_/status/653896438514999301)
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tantek adactio: ^^^ I figure you'll appreciate that challenge too
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petermolnar nice, I'll give it a try
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petermolnar I was kind of devastated when I learned that Hungarian stuff doesn't really exist on archive.org from before 2002
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tantek I was surprised that some of the "earliest" websites (per that wikipedia page) only go back to 1997 or at best December 1996 in archive.org!
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GWG Good morning all
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petermolnar oh, god, the OLD INTERNETS :D http://web.archive.org/web/19961022174810/http://www.altavista.com/
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tantek close! 5 days *after* Yahoo though ;)
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petermolnar yep, I'm not there yet, but had not given up yet either
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tantek !!! https://twitter.com/devjul/status/653897679605473280
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@devjul @t MTV begins at 1996-05-12: http://web.archive.org/web/19960915000000*/http://mtv.com (twitter.com/_/status/653897679605473280)
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tantek wow: http://web.archive.org/web/19960512183908/http://www.mtv.com:80/
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tantek works without the :80 also (obv)
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tantek http://web.archive.org/web/19960512183908/http://www.mtv.com/
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petermolnar by the way: http://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm - even if it's not in archive.org from the beginning, it is preserved ;)
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@amblin @khawkins98 @jaspar @ofadam And #IndieWeb principles. (twitter.com/_/status/653901631331954688)
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tantek petermolnar: not just that but the original domain still "works" in that it redirects: spacejam.com
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tantek (even if it is flash which is more and more gone)
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tantek fairly indieweb like desire: https://twitter.com/jaspar/status/653779396667424768
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@jaspar @ofadam what we really need is our own infrastructure. Find ways to stop relying on tech co handouts so we can use services on our terms (twitter.com/_/status/653779396667424768)
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tantek Hah: who's going to find Stuart's first web page? https://twitter.com/sil/status/653900165506576384
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@sil @t yup. My very first web page, archived on 1996-05-10 (no link because it's embarrassing :)) and Mosaic in Dec 96 http://web.archive.org/web/19961220005222/http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/ (twitter.com/_/status/653900165506576384)
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@petermolnar @jaspar @ofadam that calls for mesh networks, solar powered #RaspberryPi boxes all running #indieweb enabled websites, isn't it? (twitter.com/_/status/653909692725522432)
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tantek nice
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[shaners] tantek: honestly, it’s aaronpk’s work on getting Slack on par with the IRC channel that’s got me back in it. The Slack experience is just so much nicer. Plus I’m already in 6 other Slacks for client work and stuff.
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[shaners] But either way. It’s good to be back. :smile:
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[shaners] tantek: Where should I dump these links on the wiki related to Heroku + apex domains + DNSimple?
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[shaners] https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/apex-domains
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[shaners] http://support.dnsimple.com/articles/domain-apex-heroku/
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[shaners] https://dnsimple.com/services-heroku
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aaronpk shaners: either /DNS or /Heroku or both
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@jevdemon 2/2 Apparently the Monkchips site doesn't (yet?) support Webmentions (part of Indie Web Camp - see http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions). (twitter.com/_/status/653949121687089152)
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danlyke !tell snarfed I'm using mod_perl for re-using the Perl runtime right now, but I ported my markdown processor and such to C++ for Flutterby.net, so just moving Flutterby.com into C++ with a modern web server seems like the thing that'll give me more transferable skills.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[shaners] What is Perl?
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Loqi perl is short for Particularly Esoteric Regex Language and consists largely of punctuation https://indiewebcamp.com/perl
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aaronpk rhiaro: btw any progress on nailing down a date for IWC MIT?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://www.petersell.com/2015/quill---editing-posts-via-mail (from http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/10/13/1/indieweb-quill) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/www.petersell.com/2015/quill---editing-posts-via-mail
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rhiaro Anyone interested in Boston/Cambridge IWC, I added another candidate date ^ (7-8 Nov)
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme, GWG
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rhiaro +s and -s pls!
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[shaners] rhiaro: I won’t be able to go to one then, but we’ll be rolling through those parts in a few days
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[kevinmarks] Oldest web page on archive.org - I have a candidate http://www.kevinmarks.com/myfirstwebsite.html
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tantek cute. looks like the archive is from 1997 :)
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[shaners] The first site I built was in 95 or 96 for my high school in Noblesville, Indiana. Unfortunately, it’s not in the archive. It had a wacky URL like:
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[shaners] noble.k12.in.us
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aaronpk oh good lord. another set of emails from twitter to go un-check in the preferences
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aaronpk "____, catch up on this season's premieres with Moments"
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kevinmarks yes, all my random accounts got that
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aaronpk yep mine too
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GWG rhiaro: I have those days off, so the 8th would be great
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rhiaro GWG: Great!
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GWG rhiaro, means no rushing home, which is good
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kylewm my first site isn't archived ostensibly because frames :( index.htm is there but frames.htm is not
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aaronpk same :(
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aaronpk and also i used JS to open some links
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@withknown Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/653996998966706177)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/653997058370572288)
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tantek Known++
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Loqi Known has 9 karma
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tantek wat
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KartikPrabhu jd;da ?
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KartikPrabhu s/jd/js
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: js;da ?
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petermolnar I'm refusing to add amp support for my site as long as possible
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KartikPrabhu hear hear!
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tantek I'm going to keep making constructive suggestions to improve AMP until they're rejected, and if that passes some threshold, perhaps a forking / subsetting of AMP would work
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petermolnar also, I'm pretty surprised WordPress picked that up this fast; they are not really known for being early adopter. /me smelling money :/
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benwerd There's definitely money in that mix - but also a little desperation. Distribution for self-hosted blog posts is vital, and Facebook's instant pages is a real threat
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benwerd I really hate the fact that AMP whitelists, eg, certain ad networks, and that's something I'll try and write about later today
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tantek it does seem like a bit of a power play in that regard (ad networks)
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benwerd Absolutely
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@davidmead RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/653998668694061057)
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cleverdevil you'd (maybe) be shocked at how much money there is behind the scenes, even with the big open source CMS's...
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petermolnar by the way: how the hell you get the source code of an amp page?!
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petermolnar because ctrl+u fails
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snarfed huh, how is that related?
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Loqi snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 54 minutes ago: thanks, but I'm opting out of Jetpack since the only way to use it is to be wired into wordpress.com; although I am trying to dig the code for potential fixes http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-13/line/1444732119482
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snarfed regardless, just curl (etc), right?
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Loqi snarfed: danlyke left you a message 2 hours, 58 minutes ago: I'm using mod_perl for re-using the Perl runtime right now, but I ported my markdown processor and such to C++ for Flutterby.net, so just moving Flutterby.com into C++ with a modern web server seems like the thing that'll give me more transferable skills. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-13/line/1444749831477
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petermolnar https://www.ampproject.org/how-it-works/undefined <- curl this
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petermolnar or this https://www.ampproject.org/how-it-works
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar trailing slash works
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petermolnar sorry, user error
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ben_thatmustbeme heh, read the comments at the top of that file
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@kevinmarks RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/654005884394168320)
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@STRTSF Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building – with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support.: Self-hosted Known… http://matter.vc/self-hosted-known-0-8-5-has-left-the-building-with-better-indieweb-micropub-and-amp-support/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/654005962433392640)
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@jimpick RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/654006103445864448)
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Loqi [mention] someone posted "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub and http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/zuR5oOyUoCY5CJPYT7xnVg
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benwerd Wrote something else about AMP and web standards on the Known blog http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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kevinmarks that AMP example image looks like an interpolated ad - caption it?
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kevinmarks or float it beside the AMP paragraph?
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benwerd done
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benwerd thanks
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@kevinmarks “the web succeeded because: • It's open • It's easy • It's agnostic…” @benwerd #indieweb http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at (twitter.com/_/status/654016496121741312)
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tantek benwerd++ that is a great post. just the right length, not too short, not too long. medium length. ;)
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Loqi benwerd has 91 karma
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aaronpk "Any new web standard must be easy enough to understand and implement that a developer can get something up and running in an afternoon." <-- yes!
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 92 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme also, it does not like those dots in kevin's tweet
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benwerd Yeah, I'm aware of the encoding issue
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benwerd Good times
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kevinmarks encoding is hell
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ben_thatmustbeme Mentioned in: “the web succeeded because: • It's open â€
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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aaronpk strings are hard
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ben_thatmustbeme that always gets messy
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kevinmarks I must have spent about year of work on encoding at technorati
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tantek.com edited /protocol (+48) "add PuSH, there's sufficient critical mass / momentum among indie readers" (view diff)
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tantek rhiaro++ for cracking the whip ;)
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Loqi rhiaro has 172 karma
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rhiaro tbrb kongaloosh: is there HWC Edi tonight?
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rhiaro Like, right now?
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: there was
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Kongaloosh you're a few hours off
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rhiaro how did it go?
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Kongaloosh we just finished
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rhiaro well, back in my day they lasted 7 hours
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tantek checks the wiki
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Kongaloosh I am a failure, sensei
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rhiaro anyway, I just volunteered you (and tbrb and jarofgreen) to organise IWC 2016 ^
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tantek Kongaloosh: was there a wiki page for tonight?
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Kongaloosh tbrb will know
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Kongaloosh I think so?
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rhiaro how many people?
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: I don't know if I'll be here when it's on
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rhiaro you get to pick the date, Kongaloosh
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rhiaro you have the power
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Kongaloosh ohp!
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Kongaloosh cool!
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rhiaro hands Kongaloosh the magical IWC planning wand
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: craigsnowden and R2ZER0 couldn't make it, so it was just me, tbrb and camerongray
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Kongaloosh shiny!
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rhiaro yeah, I guess hwc overlaps with socialwg call now. That's why it wasn't on Tuesdays before
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tantek.com edited /Events (+1870) "move past events to recent, update event links for today and next week, 2016 header!" (view diff)
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tantek tbrb++ for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi tbrb has 8 karma
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+20) "link formats & protocols to building blocks so "protocols" on the home page is more visible, and clickable" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-12) "formats and protocols page themselves are more minimal, better focused" (view diff)
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tantek hey should this be a numbered list? https://indiewebcamp.com/principles#Key_Principles
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tantek you know, so it's more obvious it "goes to 11"?
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aaronpk nah the numbers would distract from the icons
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tantek or would that add too much (implied precedence) weight to the order?
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tantek very good observation
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kevinmarks interesting: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/596#issuecomment-147803480
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tantek lol: "openid2?\\..*|" # OpenID Authentication
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aaronpk whoa micropub is in there
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aaronpk and indieauth and in-reply-to
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tantek !!!
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aaronpk and webmention
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kevinmarks but only some of xfn
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tantek where did they get this list? that's not from the rel registry
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kevinmarks "These lists were generated by looking at http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values "
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tantek (!!!111!!!)
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kevinmarks except they left a lot of them out
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kylewm very odd to whitelist rather than blacklist the 4 values they don't want
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kevinmarks also "we don't currently allow whitespace separation," o_O
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tantek lol2: "DCTERMS\\..*|" # Dublin Core Metadata
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tantek aaronpk and "webmention"
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aaronpk kylewm: "since...different clients may have different supported values or may add some in the future, we went with a whitelist approach"
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tantek well that probably merits mentioning in /AMP - aaronpk want to add that? (as a positive!)
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aaronpk mention what specifically?
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kevinmarks lol at this comment https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/589
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kevinmarks "I want the broader governance model conversation to happen on the AMP mailing list (which is yet to be created) "
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Loqi gives kevinmarks the broader governance model conversation to happen on the AMP mailing list
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tantek gives Loqi a treat.
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Loqi laughs at the treat.
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tantek my Loqi is punchy this afternoon
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Loqi is done
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kevinmarks I want breakfast or lunch
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tantek gives Loqi brunch to give to KevinMarks
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aaronpk see every time you *try* to provoke Loqi he just ignores you
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tantek well he did say he was done
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kevinmarks so they didn't allow rel="lightbox" even though lightboxes are an AMP thing
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tantek sounds more ontopic for #microformats ;)
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@CaptainKurtis RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/654036361897381888)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Planning (+298) "/* Planning */ add thoughts to when i can attend" (view diff)
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rhiaro tantek: could you make 7-8 for IWC MIT?
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tantek rhiaro: I don't think so? don't worry about me - focus on getting as many locals as possible
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rhiaro Just wondered since you didn't reply to that proposal
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tantek I'm likely going to be traveled-out since TPAC
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tantek regardless I will try to remote talky
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GWG tantek: TPAC?
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tantek wonders if W3C TPAC is worth adding to /events
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rhiaro Yeah I get back from Japan on the 5th, but can probably cope with IWC 7-8th..
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GWG Am I the only person who stays home most of the time around here?
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aaronpk I stay home most of the time, but technically I'd only have to be home 51% of the time for it to be considered "most"
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/baconmeteor/status/654025366109982720
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@baconmeteor Enjoying this 1.1 MB blog post about fighting page bloat http://www.webperformancetoday.com/2015/09/08/deja-vu-all-over-again/ Can you help me find the fattest anti-bloat page out there? (twitter.com/_/status/654025366109982720)
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tantek lol
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tantek what is irony?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "irony" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104q
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tantek ^^^ kevinmarks feel free to start with an examples section
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KartikPrabhu why is that page 1.1MB it has almost only text
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KartikPrabhu aaah frameworks and external/tracking scripts
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+90) "/* Planning */ +0 for 11-7..8, make my votes all +/- 0s to better clarify preference to use others' preferences" (view diff)
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snarfed1 kevinmarks: thanks for leading me to hixie's old web stats project! added as prior art here: https://snarfed.org/indie-stats#comment-2592701
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@ChrisAldrich RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/654056203484397568)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Planning (+90) "Calling IWC MIT date" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk created /2015/MIT (+483) "Init" (view diff)
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averymiller.org edited /Known (+63) "Added my website." (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk created /2015/MIT/Guest_List (+4086) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> == <span class="p-name summary">[[2015/MIT|IndieWebCamp MIT 2015]]</span> == * '''When:''' <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">2015-11..."" (view diff)
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benwerd I'd love to see more #indieweb blog posts out there. I feel like there's been a downturn in people writing about it this year, including me. It'd be good to keep awareness up - I'm seeing lots of people (particularly in news / media) wonder how they can own their own stuff, but not coming to a useful solution.
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aaronpk what are posts about the indieweb?
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Loqi Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date https://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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benwerd There's been a lot of development activity, which is awesome - this is arguably a bigger community than it's ever been
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aaronpk yeah that's like half as many as last year
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aaronpk or we're just not capturing them on the wiki
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misuba we’re having more conversations and fewer blog posts
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misuba (…and the conversations aren’t going super well and we could be learning more from them)
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tantek misuba: which conversations aren't going super well?
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misuba tantek: I feel like I'
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misuba m seeing a lot of failed Twitter outreach but can’t really quote chapter and verse
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misuba I should only really speak to my own work running a multiuser site for friends, where the best case is they are excited for about a day and then stop using it
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Loqi agreed.
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misuba when interpreted as conversation, that is a little dispiriting
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misuba I am a big believer in changing what you say until you get the response you want; the best way to do that feels to me like shoring up the software, but that is immensely slow going. if you’re me.
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KartikPrabhu misuba: have you asked for feedback on why people ctopped using the site?
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misuba KartikPrabhu: I have, and I’ve gotten feedback that isn’t useful on the surface. Drilling down on it, however, is a hard thing to find a social context for.
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misuba all of us are busy people who want to minimize the time we spend thinking about software (for free, anyway)
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@cramforce RT @withknown: Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better (twitter.com/_/status/654080726728511488)
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tantek misuba - indeed, indieweb software and sites need to have as seamless as simple UX as possible to compete with modern silo offerings.
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