#indiewebcamp 2015-10-23

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tantek plants an idea for the East Coasters ^^^
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tantek what are Twitter Moments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Twitter Moments" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105f
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tantek (seriously anyone have any idea? I've just seen people complain about it)
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bear it's a new page that twitter shows you to let you know what you have been missing since you last checked
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bear Twitter Moments is explained at https://about.twitter.com/moments
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Loqi ok
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[aaronpk] I thought Twitter moments was like highlighted tweets and photos from major events that people are talking about
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[aaronpk] Like trending topics
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tantek in particular I ask because I'm wondering is it something anyone actually cares about - is it a feature you would want on your own site? or in an indie aggregator (or even reader)?
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[aaronpk] I haven't seen anything particularly interesting on mine yet
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gRegorLove Yeah, Moments is what "Discover" was before, I think. There's a separate feature in the app's primary stream "While you were away" which highlights some tweets from people you follow. Moments is trending topics, categorized into news, sports, entertainment, etc.
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gRegorLove Moments is a separate icon in the app. I've not been inclined to check it out before now.
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[aaronpk] "Don't worry about finding the right accounts to follow to get the story. Just follow an event, and you'll get the best Tweets about it delivered directly to your timeline. When it's over, you'll unfollow automatically."
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gRegorLove Twitter has polls now? https://twitter.com/VeryDragons/status/657355092950188032
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@VeryDragons .@SwiftOnSecurity I'll help. WHAT IS BETTER THAN LINUX? (twitter.com/_/status/657355092950188032)
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tantek what is a poll?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "poll" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105g
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gRegorLove Guess so: https://blog.twitter.com/2015/introducing-twitter-polls
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tantek yikes: "two-choice poll" I really dislike that - like we need any more reinforcement of artificial dichotomies - it's one of the most common logical fallacies in almost every discussion
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tantek twitterpolls-- he says ironically
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Loqi twitterpolls has -1 karma
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tantek this is ok though: "two-choice poll right from the compose box and it will remain live for 24 hours
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tantek er, this part: "... poll right from the compose box and it will remain live for 24 hours"
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gRegorLove Yeah, just seems like another venue for more noise on Twitter.
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gRegorLove Though the example above made me laugh.
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tantek I think Slacks emoji-polls are even funnier and more useful (ironically)
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[aaronpk] Reminds me of a really old post I wrote about doing IndieWeb polls
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[aaronpk] Can't find it!
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KartikPrabhu polls are inherently coarse-grained. I could make a poll with 10 choices and it would still not fit all opinions people can have
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[aaronpk] Anyway the tldr was oh look html forms are a thing
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@jaxoncrabb RT @NikkiJParker: Great crowd at #techknow15 in Melbourne! Clearly all here to learn about @covata lets you #ownyourdata! Tech is a hot top… (twitter.com/_/status/657364435531501569)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there is big difference between limitation of the UI and limitation of human creativity
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KartikPrabhu my only point is if you want a spectrum of opinions, polls are not good anyway
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tantek my point is that limiting to a *two* choice poll is particularly dangerous / bad
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KartikPrabhu <shrug> 2 seems arbitrary
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tantek it reinforces an artificial dichotomy worldview which is obstructs many conflict resolution techniques
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KartikPrabhu 3 options is no better either
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tantek not true. being allowed 2 or 3 options is better than being forced into 2
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tantek hey aaronpk that github indieauth thing you were talking about (to commit perms to indieweb repos) - would that work with telling people to go to say github.indiewebcamp.com the same way we tell people to go to slack.indiewebcamp.com to signup on the indieweb slack?
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[aaronpk] Yeah or I could trigger it from wiki logins but that might not feel explicit enough
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tantek agreed - not explicit enough
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tantek I feel like the Slack sign-up flow is pretty decent
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tantek and explicit enough - so if the github indieweb repo auth flow was similar - it would likely work ok too
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[aaronpk] It's not the prettiest, but the flow is decent
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tantek exactly!
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tantek that's ok, anyone who uses git is very used to "not the prettiest"
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[aaronpk] I think I would have to make a mini version of IndieAuth.com for it, doing GitHub OAuth directly
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[aaronpk] Enter your domain, it looks for reciprocal rel me to a github profile, starts the github OAuth flow, and when confirmed, adds you to the org
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tantek SGTM
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@belongbot4000 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks there is Indiewebcamp MIT November 7th/8th http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/657372249457037313)
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tantek rhiaro, aaronpk what do you think of setting up a tito ticketing link for IWC MIT?
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tantek like we did for IWC 2015?
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tantek (Portland, Brighton)
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GWG tito?
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[aaronpk] I think that'd be a good idea!
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tantek GWG, see the "Tickets" link here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List
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[aaronpk] What is Tito?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/tito
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[kevinmarks] Twitter moments are a yahoo homepage replacement
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[kevinmarks] They also launched twitter Curator which is supposed to be a "list of posts on a topic" thing
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KartikPrabhu sounds like /collection
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tantek how soon til they launch events?
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tantek as a derivative of polls (e.g. RSVP yes/no as the poll answers - where clearly a third option "maybe" helps a lot ;) )
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tantek hmm perhaps we could POSSE indie event posts to Twitter as tweet polls
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tantek does retweeting a poll restart the 24hour timer on it I wonder
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aaronpk How do you mAke a Twitter poll? I don't see a way to do it in the app
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tantek what is a twitter poll?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "twitter poll" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105h
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tantek Twitter poll is a new [[Twitter]] feature that has been pre-announced https://blog.twitter.com/2015/introducing-twitter-polls that will supposedly support [[poll]] posts with only two possible answers, and 24 hours to answer.
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Loqi ok
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@servenews 2 – Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions - http://blog.explodingads.com/2-webmentions-update-to-pingback-and-trackback-for-distributed-social-interactions/ (twitter.com/_/status/657415493846978560)
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@t going to IndieWebCamp MIT 2015-11-07…08 Cambridge MA! indie event http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/11/07/1/indiewebcamp silo https://www.facebook.com/events/193135737685881 (ttk.me t4dq1) (twitter.com/_/status/657417557041741824)
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tantek aaronpk: re: the QR code avatar - what if we colorize the dots?
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tantek like make the background dots gray (so the face part of it "pops")
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tantek and then we could tweak further, e.g. skin tones, eye color etc.
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tantek kind of like an old video game graphic with limited colors
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[aaronpk] I actually experimented with that today
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tantek amazing
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tantek it just came to me in a flash this morning ~11:30
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tantek didn't re-recall it until just now when I was verifying that Bridgy Publish RSVPd me to the POSSE copy of the event
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tantek and saw your qrcode avatar again
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[aaronpk] Can I post files from slack?
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[aaronpk] Apparently not
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tantek I see you from IRC
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[aaronpk] http://i.imgur.com/rlc8cMY.jpg
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tantek whoa
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tantek the eyes seem a bit dark
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[aaronpk] The problem is for it to scan, the dark pixels have to be pretty dark
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[aaronpk] This looked better than putting my face in the light part tho
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tantek aaronpk: do I need to resent a webmention to http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/11/07/1/indiewebcamp to get my RSVP to show up?
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tantek was webmention.io down when I sent my previous one or tried to? (I think my code found the endpoint but couldn't get a successful send to it)
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@t going to IndieWebCamp SF 2015-12-03. You should too! indie event https://kylewm.com/2015/12/indiewebcamp-sf-2015 silo https://www.facebook.com/events/175203116150206 (ttk.me t4dq2) (twitter.com/_/status/657440286818209792)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek !tell kylewm MozSF confirmed for HWC SF 11-04 & 11-18! Could you create indie events & FB POSSE copies? Thanks! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Events (+2494) "move past events to recent, add HWC for November, IWC MIT, IWC SF!" (view diff)
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@pypi_updates ninka 0.3.0: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.0 (twitter.com/_/status/657457681561735168)
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@artwisanggeni #python ninka 0.3.0: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.0 (twitter.com/_/status/657459615680999424)
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@pypi_updates ronkyuu 0.3.1: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.1 (twitter.com/_/status/657463467167862784)
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@artwisanggeni #python ronkyuu 0.3.1: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.1 (twitter.com/_/status/657467646623879168)
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tantek speaking of FB avatar icon hacking like what aaronpk did, check out Dan Gillmor using it just to put a text message into it! https://www.facebook.com/dangillmor
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pfefferle good morning all
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Zegnat good morning pfefferle
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@PPRIR RT @NikkiJParker: Great crowd at #techknow15 in Melbourne! Clearly all here to learn about @covata lets you #ownyourdata! Tech is a hot top… (twitter.com/_/status/657517681256435712)
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Seedmanc Say, if I'm using pictures hosted on site A on my site B directly-linked (in-page) can the site A know about site B's address just from the requests?
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nt0 If someone gives you a map of places to visit, and you go visit them and talk to the residents, will those residents automatically know who gave you the map?
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Seedmanc Well the site A can know the referrer if someone were to follow links from B to A.
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@awoods RT @t: going to IndieWebCamp SF 2015-12-03. You should too! indie event https://kylewm.com/2015/12/indiewebcamp-sf-2015 silo https://www.facebook.com/events/175203116150206 (ttk.me t4dq2) (twitter.com/_/status/657532384749858817)
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Seedmanc I dunno if that is applicable to pictures.
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detsk it does
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detsk latest content security policy draft includes ways to change that, but I'm not sure if that is already implemented in browsers
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detsk has been used against sites hotlinking images in the past, to send an image with a message "this image was stolen from X.com" instead
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voxpelli Interesting that Google/Firebase just bought the static page hosting company Divshot
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voxpelli Validates the static page business somewhat
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voxpelli Also like how Surge.sh responds by pointing out their independence from big companies: https://medium.com/surge-sh/shots-not-fire-d-bfe49e8cc485#.sllr0tzd8
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Seedmanc detsk but that only checks if the image is being loaded on the site that owns it, can it see the actual site's address or it only knows "right" or "wrong"?
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Seedmanc I mean what if I load the pics from localhost, what will they see?
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detsk Seedmanc: the referer header contains the source URL
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detsk (slightly cleaned for security reasons)
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detsk here's the draft for making it configurable via CSP, also describes current state: https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-referrer-policy/
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sandro hm, https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamp doesn't list https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT or https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF
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Zegnat sandro, /IndieWebCamp “is a semi-flat archive […] of previous IndieWebCamps”. It asks you to check /Events for any upcoming things: https://indiewebcamp.com/Events
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Zegnat Both MIT and SF are listed there
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sandro Ah, thanks, Zegnat. You want me to actually *read* every word on the page? Sigh......
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Zegnat It is a wiki afterall ;)
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Zegnat It actually says, in bold: “For upcoming IndieWebCamps, see: Events”
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Zegnat But maybe we should think about making that message pop more
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sandro Or just put the upcoming ones on the same page, too, like I was expecting. *shrug*
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sandro Not a big deal at all. I tend to be looking quickly though, when I'm trying to find the dates for something, and not ... reading.
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@mathowie @buzz @jwherrman Willie Nelson headlining Indieweb Content Farm Aid 2016 (twitter.com/_/status/657554323182759936)
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@jwherrman RT @mathowie: @buzz @jwherrman Willie Nelson headlining Indieweb Content Farm Aid 2016 (twitter.com/_/status/657554631904620544)
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LanceyWork what is git?
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Loqi Git is a popular distributed source control management system that can be used to host and share code from independent sites https://indiewebcamp.com/git
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GWG Morning
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aaronpk oh neat, AWS Lambda added python
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[snarfed] ahahaha the convergence is complete
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk now the real question is do I finally learn python, or keep writing lambda functions in node.js even though I don't really like it
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aaronpk i'm considering writing my webmention sending code in Lambda
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tantek rhiaro: ^^^ note above how sandro (as a reader/viewer) expected to find upcoming IndieWebCamps in yet another location on the wiki. This is how/why as event publishers we have so many places to update - because readers expect that no matter what random place they might happen to look for an event that it will be there. And there are more readers than publishers, ergo.
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kylewm_ one does no learn python, one just writes python
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Loqi kylewm_: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 24 minutes ago: MozSF confirmed for HWC SF 11-04 & 11-18! Could you create indie events & FB POSSE copies? Thanks! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-23/line/1445583837714
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aaronpk lol
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tantek kylewm_: yeah I tried that - didn't stick
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tantek then again I've heard that my PHP/JS reads more like C
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tantek could be that I have the skewed perspective
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kylewm_ well it makes sense that the intersection of JS and PHP would look like C :)
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aaronpk kylewm_: any chance a webmention sending service is something you'd use / help hack on?
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kylewm aaronpk: like it subscribe to a PuSH feed and sends webmentions for all links when the feed updates?
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tantek whoa that would be interesting indeed!
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aaronpk step 1 works without subscribing, my site would just ping an endpoint with a source URL to send for
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aaronpk step 2 could be hooking up PuSH so it happens automatically
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aaronpk although I guess those aren't so different from each other :)
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aaronpk but fewer moving parts for step 1 anyway
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tantek " just ping an endpoint with a source URL to send for" sounds like the kind of "webmention as API" that Bridgy uses ;)
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tantek so instead of sending lots of webmentions, a site only has to send one webmention to this webmention sending proxy :)
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aaronpk yeah kinda
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aaronpk it's also a hard-coded URL from the site's perspective, so it doesn't have to do any sort of webmention discovery
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tantek that's also true with the webmention to Bridgy Publish API
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tantek no discovery needed
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aaronpk rebuilding my site from scratch has been an interesting exercise, since it gives me a chance to decide to offload certain aspects or drastically simplify them
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tantek modularity++
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tantek delegation++
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Loqi modularity has 4 karma
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kylewm I mean, it also avoids having to send webmentiosn asynchronously, i like that a lot
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Loqi delegation has 1 karma
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kylewm avoids *me* having to send them asynch
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tantek right - provides a building block that someone building a new site can use to get up and running more quickly
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah! I would put the HTTP request to this API in the same path as my micropub endpoint. no need to async that really
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tantek and then later they can make the decision to replace it with internal code if they want!
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snarfed aaronpk: yay refactoring!
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snarfed re webmention sending service, sounds similar to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/420 ?
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Loqi :D
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snarfed (docs on existing blog webmention feature: https://www.brid.gy/about#blogs )
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tantek it becomes an optional tradeoff/optimization rather than a required responsibility
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aaronpk kylewm: i was also thinking the API call would specify a callback URL that could receive a post request with the results of each webmention sent
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snarfed apart from that feature, it'd be pretty trivial to do this in bridgy. most of the work would be the UX :P
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snarfed i'm not sure how much i want to extend bridgy into being a catch-all service, especially beyond the core mission of bridging silos...but still
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aaronpk yeah I'd hate for bridgy to start doing too much. it's best when it can be described in a sentence
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tantek as opposed to the One Proxy That Handles All The Webmention Traffics
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kylewm aaronpk: one tricky bit, can a service handle deletes without storing data?
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snarfed heh
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singpolyma sounds like this could be built from the brid.gy codebase, and then maybe split into two sites? (one backfeed/publish, on for webmention in/out extension)?
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aaronpk kylewm: what do you mean handle deletes?
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aaronpk like if it notices a post was deleted from an h-feed?
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kylewm like I delete a post and ping your webmention service with the deleted post (410) as the source
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snarfed or at least as an example, since the blog webmention feature is exactly this. subscribes to a feed via superfeedr, and when it sees a new post, extracts links and sends webmentions for them
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kylewm it couldn't know who to send webmentions to
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aaronpk oh interesting point
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tantek who handles deletes at all currently?
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tantek both sending and receiving
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kylewm I do
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tantek before we worry about proxies
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kylewm both
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tantek kylewm: and you've documented this in /delete presumably ;)
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kylewm reddens
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snarfed afaik very few. known, probably redwind, ...?
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snarfed (i did a casual survey a while back when triaging a bridgy feature)
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tantek goes back to secretarial updating of wiki pages
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kylewm running out the door, but i will document later, thanks for the reminder tantek
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tantek but not that one. ;)
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aaronpk i hadn't even considered how i would send webmentions for deletes from my own site yet, even when not using an external service
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tantek aaronpk - it's an ordering thing. you collect the list of webmentions to send for the post, you delete the post from storage (so it renders as 410 to permalink requests), then you send that list of webmentions.
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tantek presto
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snarfed btw julien (and voxpelli et al) have considered doing this kind of webmention service inside superfeedr, for some or all of the millions of sites it processes
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snarfed which would be huge
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tantek "collect the list" as in into an in memory array of target URLs.
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aaronpk part of the benefit of using this external service would be that i don't have to find the external links in my own posts
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voxpelli My WebMention handles some deletes
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tantek voxpelli: document on /delete#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+2449) "put in a brief Upcoming IndieWebCamps list since at least one reader expected to see a brief summary here (which is not unreasonable), add IWC 2015 (not sure how that was missing!), lots more sessions, guest lists, demos, IRC logs links!" (view diff)
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voxpelli snarfed: what was I/Superfeedr thinking of building?
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tantek !tell sandro thanks for the feedback! Have added a brief "Upcoming IndieWebCamps" subsection near the top of https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps - hopefully that is skim-obvious now!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed voxpelli: afaik no concrete plans. this was from personal conversation w/julien years ago
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snarfed and i thought i'd lightly discussed something similar with you here a while ago, but maybe not
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snarfed the idea was that superfeedr already consumes and processes millions of sites' feeds, so it'd be straightforward to have it also send webmentions for links it finds
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snarfed bbi10
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voxpelli Oh, now I see, subscribe to feed and do WebMentions for all links found in it
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voxpelli That's my plan for enabling auto-WebMention sending for my static blog
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tantek snarfed - well that would start sending webmention spam immediately ;)
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tantek !tell snarfed re: "superfeedr already consumes and processes millions of sites' feeds, so it'd be straightforward to have it also send webmentions for links it finds" - well that would start sending webmention spam immediately ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli I would want it to be opt in though, to do it for everything is not something I like the idea of
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[snarfed] yes it would!
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[snarfed] also lots of ham :P
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[snarfed] yay tradeoffs
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Loqi [snarfed]: tantek left you a message 37 seconds ago: re: "superfeedr already consumes and processes millions of sites' feeds, so it'd be straightforward to have it also send webmentions for links it finds" - well that would start sending webmention spam immediately ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-23/line/1445619113007
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tantek snarfed I do wonder about how much actual ham (that is, webmentions of stuff marked up, not just "mentions" link-to-link)
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voxpelli I don't think it would be in the interest of the IndieWeb to do for now, but an opt-in one would be
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tantek aside: is there a healthy vegetable that ends in -am?
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aaronpk lol
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tantek both spam & ham make me want nothing to do with whatever is sending them
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aaronpk yam
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tantek YES
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aaronpk mmm delicious yam
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tantek very seasonal too - well done aaronpk
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tantek what is yam?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "yam" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105i
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tantek yam is a healthy vegetarian alternative to ham, especially in the context of the metaphor of indieweb sending/receiving spam vs ham, one can instead refer to spam vs yam.
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loqi.me created /yam (+197) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-23/line/1445619268436 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[snarfed] tantek: oh definitely. the yam would be almost all plain mentions, not mf2 responses
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tantek shaners ^^^
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[snarfed] still something though
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aaronpk I do wonder how many more pings i would get, given that i currently proxy pingbacks to webmentions and get quite a number of plain mentions from wordpress blogs
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tantek !tell shaners you've heard of spam vs ham, I figure you'll appreciate spam vs yam: https://indiewebcamp.com/yam instead.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek Dr Seuss version left as an exercise to the reader.
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page () "(-979) update next HWC, next IWC!" (view diff)
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aaronpk lol http://www.vegetariantimes.com/recipe/green-eggs-and-yam-toasts/
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tantek please add that citation to /yam :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /yam (+103) (view diff)
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tantek homepage updated for next HWC/IWCs and /IndieWebCamps got a decent editorial update too. that's enough semi-mindless secretarial wiki updating for the morning :)
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snarfed tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 250 karma
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snarfed gardening++
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Loqi gardening has 2 karma
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[shaners] Thanks tantek!
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 37 minutes ago: you've heard of spam vs ham, I figure you'll appreciate spam vs yam: https://indiewebcamp.com/yam instead. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-23/line/1445619410829
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gRegorLove what is yam?
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Loqi yam is a healthy vegetarian alternative to ham, especially in the context of the metaphor of indieweb sending/receiving spam vs ham, one can instead refer to spam vs yam https://indiewebcamp.com/yam
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:indiewebcampspider.jpg "Halloween themed logo by @heathersabrina from XOXO slack"
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kevinmarks.com edited /logo (+39) "/* Unofficial */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /logo (+69) "/* Unofficial */" (view diff)
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aaronpk wth facebook
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aaronpk "singular published story API is deprecated for versions v2.4 and higher"
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aaronpk it's not really a graph api if you can't fetch one of the nodes
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aaronpk also it doesn't say it's deprecated here... https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.5/post
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aaronpk oh I see... you have to include the user ID in the post ID
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[snarfed] welcome to my world :(
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk is there no way to know the author of a post now?
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aaronpk i don't understand why none of these properties are showing up https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.5/post
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aaronpk all I get is "id", "message" and "created_time"
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[snarfed] also the user id prefix only helps sometimes: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/496
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[snarfed] in 2.5 you have to use the fields param
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[snarfed] new in 2.5
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aaronpk oh good lord
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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[snarfed] enjoy! :(:(:(
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funwhilelost Bummer I missed the Homebrew club in Portland. Is there a re-cap?
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gRegorLove funwhilelost: Doesn't look like there is on the wiki yet. HWC takes place every two weeks, though. Next one: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club
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funwhilelost Yeah, I'll have to drop in on the next one.
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gRegorLove I don't think PDX usually has notes in the logs, but SF meeting does thanks to kevinmarks. https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-21
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tantek what is the next HWC?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2015-11-04 at Mozilla https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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tantek Even Loqi knows :)
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Loqi woot!
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aaronpk funwhilelost: we've been doing more hack-night style meetups, with casual conversation thrown in the mix :)
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aaronpk definitely come to the next one tho!
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funwhilelost Yeah, that sounds good.
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@BillSeitz RT @RikMende: New chrome window android lollipop integration makes posting to my @withknown like a dedicated app feeling #indieweb https://… (twitter.com/_/status/657692061689221120)
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tantek whoa really? ^^^ I'd like to see a screenshare video of that or something
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tantek especially if they can show *replying* with their withknown site feeling like a dedicated app
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aaronpk yeah!
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aaronpk getting closer http://indiewebify.appspot.com
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kylewm about sending webmentions for deletes is even easier if you just flag deleted posts without actually removing them. then you can just send webmentions like you would normally for that post
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aaronpk it's failing when it tries to make any external http requests, i think because the http library it uses is trying to do socket stuff itself instead of using curl
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kylewm urlfetch :(
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Loqi it'll be ok
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snarfed enable billing and sockets will work
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snarfed (apologies)
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aaronpk i don't know how to do that lol
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aaronpk doesn't seem to be an option in the developer console
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aaronpk oh there is a "sign up for a free trial" link, is that it?
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aaronpk hm i think i clicked an "enable billing" button, but now it's setting up compute engine for some reason
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snarfed complicated UX is complicated
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kevinmarks there are 2 UIs, the old good oen and he new illegible one
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kevinmarks they are gradually deprecating the old one
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aaronpk it would be nice if they told me the actual error why it's returning http 500
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kevinmarks look in the logs
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aaronpk it just has the web logs that shows http 500
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aaronpk i'm assuming it's the socket error but i can't actually confirm it
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aaronpk not sure how long it's suppose to take to start working after i enable billing
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aaronpk oh interesting, looks like there's a way to have google automatically pull from github now
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snarfed aaronpk: log something in your code! logging is your friend
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snarfed even just a top-level exception handler
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kevinmarks go to https://console.developers.google.com/project/unmung2/settings
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kevinmarks with your appid instead of unmung2
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kevinmarks that should give you the billing page
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aaronpk yeah there's a billing account now
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kevinmarks when you turn that on, sockets work
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kylewm kevinmarks: did snarfed already tell you that you can still hack the urls or use browser history to use the old appengine UI?
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snarfed nope. but you can. :P
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aaronpk huh so running it locally i also get the 500 error, but i don't know where to find my local logs
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snarfed they're usually written to stdout
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snarfed try --log_level debug
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tantek what is 500?
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Loqi 500 is an HTTP/1.1 Status Code returned from a webserver to signify that the webserver encountered an unexpected condition while trying to process the requested https://indiewebcamp.com/500
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aaronpk no error message :(
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snarfed reached my limit. :/ sounds like a PHP thing now
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aaronpk empty errors are the most frustrating thing
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bear the 500 error would be on the web server side - no? where are you requesting the url from?
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aaronpk bear: i'm running the app engine runtime thing locally
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bear so your web client is showing a 500 error for a request to the local appengine service
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bear are any requests to the appengine service working?
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aaronpk yeah, request to / works fine
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bear k, so it's not the easy things like port # being wrong
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aaronpk yeah. i do have a way to output to the log now so i can at least narrow down the line the error is happening now
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bear you passed in --log_level=debug to the php local server?
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aaronpk the appengine server
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bear and specified --logs_path= so you know for sure where they are written
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aaronpk it's writing to the console
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bear yea, the local debug thingy that appengine runs to test
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aaronpk so i can see my log messages now
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bear k