#indiewebcamp 2015-10-22

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@ArturoVM RT @sikkdays: [3/3] See #indieweb or https://t.co/Jn1LJWzaBj. $$ making services can be built upon protocols that are open, like email. Tha… (twitter.com/_/status/656984893214187520)
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aaronpk maxogden and I are at HWC PDX. charging our laptops from the same external battery pack.
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dariusdunlap Yo. I'm here outside Mozilla. :-)
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aaronpk at least a dozen people riding segways just passed by the coffee shop
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aaronpk we live in the future now
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[tantek] Be right there darius!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-22-Adding_a_follow_webaction http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-22-Adding_a_follow_webaction
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mblaney ^^^ I'd be keen for some feedback about that post
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mblaney not so much about follow webactions, but the tl;dr version is that I've added another webaction called status to show "following" instead of just "follow".
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tantek coming up on two years of Homebrew Website Club!
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tantek for reference: http://tantek.com/2013/322/b1/homebrew-computer-club-reunion-inspiration
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[shaners] Jeez. How did that happen!? Time sure does fly by.
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tantek pretty happy it's still going strong and now in multiple cities / countries
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[shaners] WOOHOO!
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tantek.com edited /event (+214) "/* Tantek */ Prototype event as a note, first HWC indie event!" (view diff)
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tantek here at SF we are reminiscing about the HWC that we started almost two years ago!
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GWG Good evening.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm setting up a coworking and makerspace in Half Moon Bay, and I'm wondering if SF people would be interested (twitter.com/_/status/657007538014175232)
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@cindyfsolomon RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm setting up a coworking and makerspace in Half Moon Bay, and I'm wondering if SF people would b… (twitter.com/_/status/657007894114598912)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to homebrew website club - @kevimarks is taking notes with http://www.noterlive.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/657008956393562113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this also shows up in https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-21 because we collect the hashtag there (twitter.com/_/status/657009293070344194)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: almost the 2nd anniversary of the Homebrew Website Club, which was inspired by the 38th anniversary of Homebrew Computer Club (twitter.com/_/status/657009548222406656)
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@idworkshop RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: almost the 2nd anniversary of the Homebrew Website Club, which was inspired by the 38th anniversary of Homebr… (twitter.com/_/status/657009617336033280)
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@cindyfsolomon RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: almost the 2nd anniversary of the Homebrew Website Club, which was inspired by the 38th anniversary of Homebr… (twitter.com/_/status/657009685011165184)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: there are meetups today in Brighton, UK; Göteborg Sweden and Portland & SF int he US (twitter.com/_/status/657009778821091328)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks there is Indiewebcamp MIT November 7th/8th http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/657010069452771328)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp SF will be a 1 day hack day on December 3rd http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (twitter.com/_/status/657010209144098816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I updated my cassis library that estimates tweet length with URLs at @cassis.js (twitter.com/_/status/657011166087127040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we ran into a problem with indiewebify.me -the site that checks if your site is indie - only 1 person could deploy (twitter.com/_/status/657011430324084737)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we ran into a problem with indiewebify.me -the site that checks if your site is indie - only 1 person could d… (twitter.com/_/status/657011453506035714)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so we're coming up with ways to automatically deploy these projects when they are updated (twitter.com/_/status/657011899398275072)
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@almereyda @wisebeck @hypothes_is How do your elaborations include https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention ? cc @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/657012380799496192)
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tantek kevinmarks: @cassisjs :)
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tantek (hopefully you can fix your indie copy of the content )
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I have worked on a thing called story cards http://indiewebcamp.com/storycards (twitter.com/_/status/657014382375927809)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @jrob716: I don't really have my own website; I do work full time but only 3 days a week so I have some time to build a site (twitter.com/_/status/657014644066926593)
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Loqi [bridgy] ｊｄｅｎ replied '@kevinmarks @t any idea how late it might go?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (https://twitter.com/jden415/status/657011119668617216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm redesigning the square peg foundation site, which is currently wordpress, but working out the flow first (twitter.com/_/status/657017795813707776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: that si going to end up turning into an indiwebified project when the design is done (twitter.com/_/status/657017924910231553)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: what are you using for your backends? flask. (twitter.com/_/status/657018211590930432)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I tend to use appengine/python/jinja2 or node/express/jade (twitter.com/_/status/657018467607007232)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I use PHP, based on my cassis project which is a hybrid PHP/javascript language (twitter.com/_/status/657018603536044032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: tantek's coding style in cassis looks more like C - when Kyle and I ported bits to python thats what it felt like (twitter.com/_/status/657018910684901376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: there are a lot of bits where you have to parse urls and responses a lot which is the http://xkcd.com/927/ problem (twitter.com/_/status/657019095309754368)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: there are a lot of bits where you have to parse urls and responses a lot which is the https://t.co/LNChxyGQZs… (twitter.com/_/status/657019157775568900)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: and I found all the ways people name the different parts of a URL http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces (twitter.com/_/status/657019222824980480)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: and I found all the ways people name the different parts of a URL http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces (twitter.com/_/status/657019627432624128)
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@carlfish RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: and I found all the ways people name the different parts of a URL http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces (twitter.com/_/status/657020414569254912)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc @ Mozilla SF https://instagram.com/p/9H5WTdRKOR/ (twitter.com/_/status/657023036919554048)
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@ShaneHudson RT @benwerd: @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/657024492871532546)
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bear.im created /500 (+232) "add 500 status code" (view diff)
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@brivolbm7q RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: and I found all the ways people name the different parts of a URL http://tantek.com/2011/238/b1/many-ways-slice-url-name-pieces (twitter.com/_/status/657041843121614849)
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@matsuu_zatsu Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/657058526301442048)
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[aaronpk] Ownyourgram randomly started working for me again, I didn't change anything
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[aaronpk] It's nice that it's working again, but kind of frustrating because i have no idea what was wrong
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[aaronpk] I didn't even re-auth between the last time the picture failed and now
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[aaronpk] Ehh, silos gonna silo
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@Eliservescent RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp SF will be a 1 day hack day on December 3rd http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (twitter.com/_/status/657078937273503744)
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aaronpk whee all my servers restarting
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@NikkiJParker @GerryGannon @Covata #ownyourdata @ #techknow15 (twitter.com/_/status/657082250240987137)
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mblaney loqi you missed a bit
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Loqi who, me?
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mblaney yes you!
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mblaney thanks voxpelli! yes very much open to ideas
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mblaney if people think it's not tooooo crazy maybe I'll add it to the wiki and we can extend it from there?
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mblaney in case anyone missed it talking about this: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-22-Adding_a_follow_webaction
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mblaney where the new idea in that post is adding a new webaction to indie-config called status, to get the state of the other webactions on the page.
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bear what is indie-config
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Loqi indie-config is a method of using protocol handlers and postmessage to setup your indie website to both notify the browser that it can handle webactions and then do so https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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bear hmm, indie-config requires js?
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mblaney bear I believe indie-config was first created as a browser plugin
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mblaney but yes I think the only versions in use today are js
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voxpelli bear: indie-config is kind of a polyfill for a future browser native config for webactions
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voxpelli mblaney: add it to a brainstorming section first maybe?
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unicyclic.com mal edited /indie-config (+397) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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unicyclic.com mal edited /indie-config (+744) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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mblaney voxpelli do you want to add your ideas to that?
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voxpelli mblaney: already in the progress of doing that ;)
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mblaney I haven't done any micropub so not sure how that would work.
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mblaney :-)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config (+698) "/* Status Option */ Adding some feedback" (view diff)
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voxpelli mblaney: it's not so much micropub in itself as it would be that the data returned could be from multiple sources rather than a single source
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voxpelli that's the reason why indie-config today specifies individual endpoints for reply, like, share etc – that one might wants to use different tools with each one
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voxpelli and especially for following people might use a different tool than their main site – and so far very few, if any, indie-readers send back the follow status to ones main site
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mblaney aaah yes I see what you mean.
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mblaney I think that briefly crossed my mind, but then there's the problem of requiring multiple requests when one endpoint could return all the required info
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mblaney but I agree it does seem like it might be required when multiple services are used.
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mblaney thanks for your feedback voxpelli, will have a bit more of a think about it.
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voxpelli mblaney: at least the "follow" will rarely be requested with the same url as a like/favorite/share
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voxpelli so if one can override the base "status" with an action specific "status", then one can get both few requests and much flexibility
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mblaney I like that!
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mblaney and yes I don't see follow being used on the same page as the other actions, which are all used with permalinks.
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mblaney voxpelli: so I'm thinking that if indie-action has do="follow-status", but indie-config only finds the status option, then it should use that correct?
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mblaney I'm more than happy to support that if anyone else wants to implement it.
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voxpelli mblaney: I'm thinking that the webaction in itself doesn't have to specify anything about the status
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voxpelli that the indie-config / webaction component uses a status if it finds one
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voxpelli to progressively enhance the element
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voxpelli and the js for the indie-config / webaction component would then look for a config parameter that's the do-attr appended "-status" and fall back to plain "status"
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voxpelli so the do-attr would always be "follow" I'm thinking
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mblaney voxpelli: ok that makes sense.
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mblaney something I quickly realised is that automating CORS requests on a feed page doesn't work....
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mblaney you would end up with a request for each action if you're not careful
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voxpelli not sure I follow
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mblaney that's why I explicitly added an indie-action with do="status"
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voxpelli well, maybe that's okay or maybe one should support asking status for multiple URL:s at once?
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voxpelli http://example.com/follow-status?url[]=...&url[]=...url[]=...
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mblaney yes that's a possibility
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voxpelli mostly we should try to implement it and see what our experiences are :) to avoid too much plumbing upfront
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mblaney the simpler option I was thinking of was just to specify that you want to retrieve the status for a particular action
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mblaney so an indie-action could have: do="follow" with="url" status="check"
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mblaney and then without status being set it wouldn't do anything
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voxpelli I'm not very fond of that – status feels like a progressive enhancement that should be done wherever possible
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voxpelli because ideally it should be on all buttons :)
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mblaney sure but that means requesting http://example.com/follow-status?url[]=...&url[]=...url[]=... needs to be done independently of the indie-actions on the page
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config (+294) "/* Status Option */ Adding an additional feedback point." (view diff)
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mblaney I guess your indie-config could save up all the indie-actions on the page and make the request when it's finished processing them?
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voxpelli yes
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mblaney righto I think I'll try that then :-)
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ben_thatmustbeme drops a pin
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ben_thatmustbeme need to teach loqi to do things when no one has said anything in a very long time
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aaronpk he used to haha
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk I turned it off when I launched Loqi on freenode, but it was pretty funny when using it on my private IRC server with a few roommates
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snarfed i reported that profile picture hash thing to facebook (http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19#t1445267253683 , cc aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme)
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aaronpk nice
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snarfed responsible disclosure time periods tend to be 30-60d
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snarfed ...er, at least commonly
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snarfed so i can revisit and maybe publish sometime around iwc sf, 12/3
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GWG Good afternoon.
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@tinokremer @jordan_web @kevinmarks I suppose the Silo's have seen the indieweb and are afraid for it :) (twitter.com/_/status/657262124239069185)
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@benwerd Wear your digital identity with pride! Now with $8 off any .io or .com domain from Gandi: https://teespring.com/my-url-is #identity #iiw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/657288416824979456)
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[shaners] I’m currently working from the back of a 1987 VW van (girlfriend’s driving) through the New England in the fall. Working on Homesteading. Living the Dream™ :smile:
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aaronpk benwerd: how'd you pull that off!
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benwerd aaronpk: we're friends with Gandi - they're aware and supportive of indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 97 karma
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[shaners] benwerd: what is #iiw?
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aaronpk nice!
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@codebear @lmorchard congrats on getting your blog deploy automated - very #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/657292112224997377)
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aaronpk benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 98 karma
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aaronpk what is IIW?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IIW" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105a
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aaronpk i thought we did
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KartikPrabhu what is iiw?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iiw" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105b
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk IIW is /Internet_Identity_Workshop
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk oh weird
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-06-iiw
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[shaners] oh. thanks.
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loqi.me created /Internet_Identity_Workshop (+97) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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@lmorchard @codebear Mostly #indieweb :) Though I'm kind of taking GitHub & Travis CI for granted. Could totally switch it all over to private servers (twitter.com/_/status/657303674788651008)
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@codebear @lmorchard private servers are not a requirement for #indieweb - as long as you own your data and control the deploy path (twitter.com/_/status/657303906905640960)
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aaronpk bear++
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@guylepage3 RT @idworkshop: Interested in #identity #oauth #vrm #privacy #indieweb #bitcoin #blockchain? Come to Internet Identity Workshop http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/657304331876724736)
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@codebear @lmorchard you should add your updates for your blog to your user page at https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Lmorchard.com (twitter.com/_/status/657304940885487616)
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@FemometerInc You deserve to be in control. Visit our site: http://www.femometer.com/ #OwnYourData #Femometer https://twitter.com/FemometerInc/status/657312749559545856/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/657312749559545856)
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@aaronpk Flights booked for IndieWebCamp MIT next weekend! Should be a fun (and cold) one! http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/657325155652206592)
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@belongbot4000 RT @aaronpk: Flights booked for IndieWebCamp MIT next weekend! Should be a fun (and cold) one! http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/657326895764250624)
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snarfed woo, app engine now supports SSL on naked domains!
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snarfed https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/using-custom-domains-and-ssl
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snarfed bridgy is now serving on https://brid.gy/
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aaronpk !!!
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snarfed my sentiments exactly
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aaronpk no cost?
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bear nice!
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snarfed (incidentally the UX for setting up custom domains and SSL is also way better now. all in the developer console; no longer in google apps admin)
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kevinmarks cool. I need to sslify my appengine ones
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snarfed aaronpk: no cost
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aaronpk that's awesome. i'll do that on indiewebify.me once I figure out what the current issue is
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snarfed interesting. facebook responded to the profile picture hash report already
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snarfed "This is intentional behavior in our product. We do not consider it a security vulnerability, but we do have controls in place to monitor and mitigate abuse."
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snarfed fair enough!
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aaronpk wow okay
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aaronpk sounds like a good blog post then :)
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[kevinmarks] where was that, snarfed?
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snarfed kevinmarks: private/responsible disclosure via their form
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snarfed original discussion is http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19#t1445267253683
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snarfed aaronpk: definitely!
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@RikMende New chrome window android lollipop integration makes posting to my @withknown like a dedicated app feeling #indieweb https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/657339766770417664/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/657339766770417664)
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[kevinmarks] I remember the discussion
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@kevinmarks RT @RikMende: New chrome window android lollipop integration makes posting to my @withknown like a dedicated app feeling #indieweb https://… (twitter.com/_/status/657340980664758272)
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@NikkiJParker Great crowd at #techknow15 in Melbourne! Clearly all here to learn about @covata lets you #ownyourdata! Tech is a hot topic for investors! (twitter.com/_/status/657341732405702656)
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@Covata RT @NikkiJParker: Great crowd at #techknow15 in Melbourne! Clearly all here to learn about @covata lets you #ownyourdata! Tech is a hot top… (twitter.com/_/status/657341868485816321)
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tantek does it now? What is Covata?
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tantek hoping aaronpk means next next weekend :P
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aaronpk yeah, next weekend!
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tantek why is kernel_task taking 121%+ of my CPU?
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aaronpk as opposed to this weekend
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tantek there's no reasonable definition under which that's correct
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tantek it's > 2wks away
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aaronpk wait isn't it in like 10 days?
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tantek did you book a premature flight?
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tantek what is next IWC?
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Loqi IndieWebCamp MIT 2015 is on 2015-11-07 at Rooms G431 and G451, MIT Stata Centre, 32 Vassar St, Cambridge https://indiewebcamp.com/next-iwc
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tantek boom
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aaronpk no i just can't count
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tantek like I said, next next weekend :)
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aaronpk sigh
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@GerryGannon RT @NikkiJParker: Great crowd at #techknow15 in Melbourne! Clearly all here to learn about @covata lets you #ownyourdata! Tech is a hot top… (twitter.com/_/status/657345645557104644)