#indiewebcamp 2015-10-21

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@kevinmarks @NellieBowles you made step 1 of joining the #indieweb, great! Next steps http://indiewebify.me (twitter.com/_/status/656626467816640513)
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (+1) "next IWC is actually MIT :)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-16) "next IWC MIT" (view diff)
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aaronpk I still see "can't go" as an option on FB events
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kevinmarks aaronpk: I think they're split-testing
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kevinmarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/did-facebook-just-get-rid-of-maybe-from-events-indieweb
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kevinmarks or maybe they split at event creation time
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ben_thatmustbeme I see "interested" "going" and "remove from my events"
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: re: adding yourself to Examples sections on the wiki, could you take a look at the "types" of posts here: https://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Kinds_of_Posts - click on each on and if you support it on your site, add yourself to its "IndieWeb Examples" section? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19/line/1445291654655
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: and if by doing so, you increase the number of indieweb examples in any of those pages to 3+, could you request in https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery#Feedback to add such "types" to that spec? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-19/line/1445291685080
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@InramsT Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http:///piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/656695954746159104/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/656695954746159104)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@emreshent http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656717455977398272)
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@HNTweets Monoculture: http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10424033 (twitter.com/_/status/656726621332705280)
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petermolnar I guess that came up due to the hubzilla news earlier
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tantek what was the hubzilla news?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hubzilla news" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105S
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petermolnar tantek: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10423850
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tantek huh
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tantek what is Hubzilla?
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tantek Loqi?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hubzilla" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105T
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Loqi dude
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petermolnar don't poke the Loqi
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tantek gives Loqi a poke
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Loqi grabs the poke
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@devnewsbot Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656734062934151168)
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@myikegami_bot Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656733912299909120)
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@tm_interesting IT news: Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656733163117527040)
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@mindamedia http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions … http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon (twitter.com/_/status/656732749383016448)
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@linnflux Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #webdesign (twitter.com/_/status/656732448752054272)
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@StartUpTool RT @swbreakingnews: Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture #business #startups (twitter.com/_/status/656731871917809664)
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@developerhcnews Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656730431253934080)
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@TimHogenbirk Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656730414581719040)
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@devnewsbot Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656730342343233536)
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@WebStartupGroup Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture #news (twitter.com/_/status/656729111939825664)
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@mindamedia http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture Trailing the updated info-technews on your palm! :) http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon (twitter.com/_/status/656729059729125376)
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@BornCor Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656728710524116992)
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@linnflux Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture #webdesign (twitter.com/_/status/656728538897326080)
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@flijkart Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656728485877141504)
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@tm_interesting IT news: Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656727626506178560)
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@_hnyc Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656727263908532224)
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@jordan_web What is the IndieWeb? http://indiewebify.me/ #indieweb #facebook #twitter #linkedin #googleplus #medium #aboutme #myspace (twitter.com/_/status/656726906885173248)
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@DubaiGeek Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656726761825169408)
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@ruby_engineer Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture #hacker #geek #startup (twitter.com/_/status/656726622947545089)
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@gtcfeederteam Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656725933475303424)
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@iamkevin Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #startups (twitter.com/_/status/656734434838892544)
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@periscoperepub Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656734740435869696)
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@gtcfeederteam Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656734760346255360)
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@DubaiGeek Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656735283589861376)
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@ruby_engineer Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #hacker #geek #startup (twitter.com/_/status/656735356830810112)
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@neuropuff Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656735537462648832)
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@_hnyc Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656735643339522048)
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tantek wat
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@Un1v3rs0Z3r0 Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656735941994901504)
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@GandhiKathit Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656736053995438080)
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@BornCor Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656736278311018496)
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@Peta_Eaton Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656736434980810752)
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@mindamedia Click Share in minute info-technews monoculture - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture popping linksexploaded und… https://www.facebook.com/eddybalifreezy (twitter.com/_/status/656736520741789697)
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@mindamedia Click Share in minute info-technews Webmention - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions popping linksexploaded unde… https://www.facebook.com/eddybalifreezy (twitter.com/_/status/656736522222379008)
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@WebStartupGroup Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions #news (twitter.com/_/status/656736572214218752)
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petermolnar that's a shitload of twitter bots crawling hacker news o.O
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@neuropuff Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656735533381586944)
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@periscoperepub Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656734740196806656)
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@bartezzini Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656738766724272128)
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@HackAlertNews Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions http://hacker-bot.tumblr.com/post/131608561045/webmentions-update-to-pingback-and-trackback-for#_=_ #HB (twitter.com/_/status/656738960304177152)
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@altongene16 Webmentions – update to Pingback and Trackback for distributed social interactions: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/656739777534758912)
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voxpelli I wonder if the IndieWeb will ever get such bots :P
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voxpelli probably, and hopefully, not
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@daisuke “Webmention - IndieWebCamp” http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/656740592970391552)
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@Leon1969 Monoculture: http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/656739588065484800)
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@bartezzini Monoculture: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656738776417329152)
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pfefferle good morning
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@jordan_web @kevinmarks Well, I thought that maybe anybody following the silo's # would think what's this #Indieweb thing and have a read :-) (twitter.com/_/status/656744165615661056)
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@Jorgedalca Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/656742821446053888)
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@htonews Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656742734414278657)
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@hacker_news Monoculture: Comments http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656742694702596096)
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@Movin_beta #beta Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #Movin (twitter.com/_/status/656745753684013056)
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@MovinTeamBlack #beta Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #Movin (twitter.com/_/status/656745744578121728)
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@progscrape Monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656750888531402753)
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@_techstories Monoculture (http://indiewebcamp.com) http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/656756548946018304)
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voxpelli pfefferle: Morning! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-20/line/1445365662469 might be of interest to you :)
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pfefferle voxpelli oh nice... sounds good
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@CodebarBrighton RT @adactio: Brightonians—Homebrew Website Club is on Wednesday, 6pm @68MiddleSt https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/656826060412231684)
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aaronpk wow we were on the front page of hackernews this morning
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aaronpk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10424033
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tantek.com edited /Cloudfront (+53) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /CloudFlare (+53) "linky linky, see also" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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calumryan Any Brightonians active tonight? (Not able to make it in person myself but around)
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tantek topics for HWC today / tonight:
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tantek * Twitter changed their t.co shortener to always use https = 23 chars for all auto-linked URLs in tweets! cassis.js updated accordingly
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tantek (so update your Twitter POSSE code accordingly: cc: Bridgy Publish)
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adactio calumryan: So far it's just me and Charlotte, so a quiet evening. :-) (unsurprising, given the weather)
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tantek what is weather?
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Loqi Weather is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc https://indiewebcamp.com/weather
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snarfed tantek: yup! https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/twitter.py#L73
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snarfed (they've actually had max 23 chars for a while, and even have an API endpoint that you can ask for the current max link...but i expect most twitter API users don't actually use it. bridgy/granary certainly don't. :P)
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tantek yeah - I argued that one publicly with them
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tantek they used to have 22/23 though
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tantek and now it is always 3
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tantek s/3/23
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Loqi !calc s/3/23
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Loqi tantek meant to say: and now it is always 23
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tantek wow I'm getting LOTS of secure connection failures to Eventbrite
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tantek I wonder what they're doing wrong
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tantek seems like HTTPS makes so many websites less reliable
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@benwerd @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656889270959865856)
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tantek benwerd: why not reference indiewebcamp.com/webmention instead? I think the converspace repo is out of date at this point
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tantek Eventbrite - have to reload like 3-10 times
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benwerd tantek: I actually referenced webmention.org and that's what it expands to - assumed it was canonical as a result
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tantek yup - sandeep still has the domain
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tantek but at this point, we shouldn't be referencing anything as a spec that's in a personal repo - it should either be on indiewebcamp.com or in the indieweb group on github
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tantek none of us should be a bottleneck in that way
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tantek so the community can move a spec forward regardless if someone disappears (or has to) for a while
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benwerd We should probably see about repointing that domain
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Loqi [bridgy] চুপচাপ চার্লি ⌒.⌒ replied '@benwerd @TwitterDev #Helloworld Edit button and Chat button' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (https://twitter.com/Ranask35/status/656889988991180801)
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Loqi agreed.
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tantek also - one-off domains appear to be having these problems
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tantek similar bottleneck with indiewebify
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tantek HWC topic:
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tantek * How should we move forward with fixing the one-off domain bottleneck problem? E.g. webmention.org indiewebify.me not being updated
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tantek heck, H2VX.com (I'm not immune to this problem either)
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snarfed hey aaronpk, just fyi the slack bridge might be unhappy. slack is receiving messages, but didn't forward a couple that i sent
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snarfed fwding manually: "tantek: ssl error messages in browsers are often symptoms of non-ssl problems, e.g. connection failures. not always, but often"
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snarfed tantek: i like aaronpk's proposal of indieauth adds you to the github org automatically via api, and then we set up projects with push-to-deploy
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snarfed could be a good iwc sf project
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tantek yes!
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tantek that would be a quite clever community unbottlenecking hack!
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tantek then we just need whoever owns a domain to setup whatever github deploy automation is needed *once* then anyone can deploy / revert right?
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aaronpk Darn. A couple of my servers were rebooted yesterday for maintenance, so that must not have come back online
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tantek what that?
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tantek oh the bridge
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jeena.net uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-got-20151021.jpg]]""
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jeena.net edited /events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club (+32) "/* Photos */ GOT" (view diff)
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@haq_sanaul RT @InramsT: Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http:///piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/656695954746159104/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/656897344550649856)
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Jeena Hehe HWC in GOT is a bit of a mess, I'm not really good in promoting things like this so more often than not there are only my workcolegues there and some of them have own websites and the interest to work on them, but we more often than not end up just drinking beer and talking about non (indie) web stuff
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656901753183469568)
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Jeena Twitter asks for forgiveness but it's too late for me https://jeena.net/notes/491
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@RikMende RT @benwerd: @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656902759992684544)
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@jeena RT @benwerd: @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656902881891753986)
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tantek was that in response to a particular tweet but just not linked in the POSSE copy?
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tantek this maybe? https://twitter.com/jack/status/656885664525357056
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@jack Developers on Twitter: please tweet your ideas and requests using hashtag #helloworld. We're listening! (twitter.com/_/status/656885664525357056)
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tantek dogfooding as an exec requirement: https://twitter.com/mjackson/status/656895155299979265
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@mjackson @jack Stop hiring executives who don't use Twitter. Everything else will sort itself out. #helloworld (twitter.com/_/status/656895155299979265)
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tantek also this deliberate silo non-interop reminder: https://twitter.com/bluechoochoo/status/656882450644123648
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@bluechoochoo As requested by @jack during #TwitterFlight keynote: I'd like social graph restored to: - @Tumblr - @Instagram - @AppMeerkat #HelloWorld (twitter.com/_/status/656882450644123648)
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tantek (thread is worth skimming)
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@RikMende will it be enough to restore @twitter in the heart of developers? not sure, things are changing #indieweb https://twitter.com/politwoops/status/656885274039971840 (twitter.com/_/status/656912687922880513)
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kevinmarks the simple json syntax voxpelli uses for webmention.herokuapp.com is interesting - compare https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/mentions?site=kevinmarks.com&format=json to http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebmention.herokuapp.com%2Fapi%2Fmentions%3Fsite%3Dkevinmarks.com%26format%3Dhtml&html=&pretty=on
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bear that second link is failing for me
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@schnarfed @jack thanks for asking! I wish I could get a tweet's favorites from the API. I hate having to scrape them from HTML. #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656913860033581057)
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tantek oh dear ^^^ hope that doesn't result in that scraping being shut down ;)
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bear I would love just to have all of the people I follow show up in my timeline consistently - I still don't have @shnarfed's post showing
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tantek bear probably because you don't follow @jack
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tantek that's been Twitter's @-reply filtering for a while
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bear oh poo - I forgot about that
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bear which explains why it popped into view when I fav'd it
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@schnarfed @jack I'd also kill to get a tweet's *replies* from the API. I crawl them myself right now, but I'd rather not. #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656915957844193280)
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bear hmm, I should submit a PR to https://github.com/converspace/webmention to add the python webmention library
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aaronpk benwerd: webmention.net points to the wiki
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benwerd aha
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tantek bear - or add the python library to /webmention and then submit that PR to just redirect to /webmention
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bear /webmention on the wiki?
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tantek yup - see logs - those get autolinked there :)
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tantek or /Webmention if you want to make it all formal like
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bear it already is in /webmention
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aaronpk hm I have commit access to converspace/webmention
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bear oops - gotta run an errand before this next interview call ... /me relurks
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kevinmarks hm, re http://microformats.org/wiki/jf2#webmention.herokuapp.com the html mf2 version isn't marking up the type and targets
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kevinmarks is the empty alt making the name empty too?
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voxpelli please file issues at https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions if you find improvements possibilities :)
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voxpelli (not really been able to follow the discussion tonight)
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kevinmarks we've been talking about simplified json syntax for mf2
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kevinmarks and I realised that you are already shipping one
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aaronpk kevinmarks: that's what started this whole discussion yesterday ;)
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aaronpk I realized that webmention.io, webmention.herokuapp and php-comments all did this already
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Loqi [mention] Evgenij Pfafenrot commented 'Funktionstest der in-reply-to-Funktion | #IndieWeb | https://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to (http://epfafenrot.de/2015/funktionstest-der-in-reply-to-funktion-indieweb-in-reply-to)
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snarfed any mf2 and/or php-mf2 experts around, i'd love help debugging something when you have a minute
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snarfed summary: some of the FB likes that bridgy has backfed recently are showing up with the author's name as "Bridgy Response" (the contents of <title>) instead of the user's name...but only some, and we can't figure out why
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snarfed details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/516
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snarfed diff between "good" and "bad" source html shows nothing notable
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aaronpk well that is odd
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snarfed yup. i'm clearly missing something.
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aaronpk and this started happening on a bunch of different receving code?
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gRegorLove looks
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snarfed aaronpk: so far only two sightings in the wild, both on wordpress
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gRegorLove Seems like a Semantic Linkbacks issue?
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snarfed yeah, good guess, but it only started recently, and neither of us upgraded plugins recently
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snarfed but i definitely have been hacking on bridgy FB backfeed recently
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aaronpk i'm guessing the plugin would fall back to the title tag if it couldn't find microformats data?
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snarfed probably
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aaronpk is it possible there's a utf-8 issue on some FB data that causes parsing to fail?
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gRegorLove Looks like the php-mf2 hasn't been updated in Semantic Linkbacks for 3 months. https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/handler/Mf2/Parser.php
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snarfed aaronpk: maybe! but i fetched the source html and diffed it (near bottom of that issue) and it looks fine
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aaronpk oh what about rate limiting? maybe bridgy is failing to get the FB data sometimes and then returns an empty page?
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snarfed good thought, but FB doesn't really rate limit, at least not at bridgy's volume, and in that case bridgy would return an error, not empty page
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aaronpk what would happen if facebook returned empty data instead of an error?
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snarfed interesting. maybe! i can look.
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aaronpk i haven't looked at the wordpress plugin code, but maybe if the "name" value is fals-ey it would fall back to the page title?
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snarfed gRegorLove: true! doesn't look like php-mf2 itself has changed meaningfully in that time either though.
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gRegorLove Right, just eliminating possibilities
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snarfed oh i'm sure that's what happened, i just don't understand how bridgy served that kind of empty page
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snarfed hrmph
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snarfed meh
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gRegorLove I'm looking at the plugin code
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snarfed thanks for looking, all
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snarfed btw any luck with the slack bridge, aaronpk?
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aaronpk ah forgot. was at the dentist.
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snarfed sheesh man, priorities
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gRegorLove Nothing jumps out at me in the plugin code.
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snarfed (kidding!)
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gRegorLove I don't see any fallback to the <title> element
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snarfed huh
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tantek Interesting example of POSSE from a group blog to a personal silo profile: https://www.facebook.com/JenniferLawrence/posts/10153012783811793:0 POSSEd from: http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a5b04a26aae05a24bc4efb63e&id=64e6f35176&e=1ba99d671e
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tantek nevermind the "View in Browser" link on that second page ;)
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tantek aaronpk why is Loqi issuing commands? https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-21/line/1445449042096
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk ha, some loqi guts are spilling out
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aaronpk some of the way Loqi works is by sending commands to himself
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[shaners] HIMself?
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aaronpk Loqi: he or she?
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Loqi he
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[shaners] Loqi: he or she?
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Loqi well...
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Loqi i think he
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[shaners] Loqi: he or she?
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Loqi he
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aaronpk oh good the slack bridge is back
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[shaners] Loqi: day or night?
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Loqi day
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[shaners] Loqi: night or day?
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Loqi day
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[shaners] You confound me, Loqi.
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tantek slackbridge++
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Loqi slackbridge has 1 karma
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tantek who's going to IWC MIT in a couple of weeks? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT/Guest_List
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[shaners] It’s gonna be brrrr there then.
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/MIT/Guest_List (+349) "i am!" (view diff)
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@sikkdays [3/3] See #indieweb or https://t.co/Jn1LJWzaBj. $$ making services can be built upon protocols that are open, like email. That's the future (twitter.com/_/status/656975839020453889)
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@BillSeitz RT @benwerd: @twitterdev Alright, here's a suggestion: support https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md and https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #helloworld #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/656976456157917184)
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