#indiewebcamp 2015-10-25

2015-10-25 UTC
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aaronpk here it goes
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aaronpk if this ends up working well I am tempted to run more of my projects on app engine
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tantek ooh
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aaronpk alright, DNS is updated! app engine is serving indiewebify.me now!
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aaronpk with SSL!
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aaronpk https://indiewebify.me/
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kevinmarks ooh and bare domain too
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kylewm the icons on http://indiewebcamp.com/FreeMyOAuth have a very short shelf life
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kylewm although maybe with the new image proxy, they will stick around longer? aaronpk?
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aaronpk i haven't hooked up the archiving one yet but i will soon
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aaronpk hm let me see if i can do that right now...
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@aaronpk Happy to announce that anyone who can commit to https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me can now deploy the site! more: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/10/24/1/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/658073480793948160)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/10/24/1/indieweb http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/10/24/1/indieweb
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tantek aaronpk++ that is awesome!!!
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Loqi aaronpk has 990 karma
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aaronpk yeah that is tempting to move some of my other stuff there
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[snarfed] yay, glad dns is switched now!
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Loqi [snarfed]: GWG left you a message 1 hour, 52 minutes ago: I'm not sure if you are going to love this idea or hate it. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-24/line/1445726350448
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[snarfed] btw, low priority, but the webmention sender part still isn't working :P
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[snarfed] push to deploy is definitely a bigger deal though. congrats again!
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aaronpk push to deploy was a prereq for making any functional changes IMO
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: I'll take a look at that code. Maybe I'll have some contributions
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 991 karma
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aaronpk awesome
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aaronpk woohoo
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aaronpk now the wiki archives images
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aaronpk it makes saving the page take a little longer while it goes and archives it
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aaronparecki.com edited /FreeMyOAuth (+42) "update google logo" (view diff)
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aaronpk check out the image URLs on that page
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aaronparecki.com edited /FreeMyOAuth (+143) "update image URLs" (view diff)
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aaronpk there now those won't break
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tantek are we clear on the wiki caching of images not implying they are in public domain?
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aaronpk i'm not really sure how to make that clear. as far as anyone is concerned it's still hotlinked, like if you go edit the page it still shows the original URL
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aaronpk i could serve the images from the amazon CDN URL so that it doesn't even look like it's on indiewebcamp.com at all
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tantek I think as long as it doesn't look like it's coming from an indiewebcamp.com URL we should be fine
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aaronpk cool
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kylewm oh hey brid.gy is not www.brid.gy anymore
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kylewm snarfed++ for getting rid of www on brid.gy!
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Loqi snarfed has 153 karma
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KartikPrabhu oh ok. I was worried that the domain changed! :P
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GWG aaronpk: Does anyone use an arbitrary file name in micropub? Other than the audio, video, photo ones noted?
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GWG I'm playing around with micropub, trying to give snarfed his unit tests, but part of that is recognizing the standard is evolving, and I was trying to build making it easier to adjust with the standard into the code.
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GWG Which brings me back to the question of how you keep a code supporting a changing standard current. When do you deprecate or not deprecate
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aaronpk GWG: i actually just added support for posting .geojson files to my new site, which is how i'm getting bike rides there
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GWG aaronpk: Figured you would have tried something other than strict media.
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GWG The nice thing about the micropub design is you could make it do anything, it seems.
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@KatStilesAuthor Check out my ODNT Spotlight Interview with @SteveDW: https://www.youtube.com/ Only made one screw-up, so I'm happy with it :) #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/658131242223841280)
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kylewm general http question -- is it desireable to set the Content-Length header manually, or should we rely on the server to set it or not at its discretion?
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kylewm apparently Apache sets it for smallish requests, but larger requests get chunked
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kylewm and chunked encoding does not know the Content-Length when it starts sending
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aaronpk i always let the web server do its thing with that header
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tantek yeah
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tantek hey kylewm - I've reserved Mozilla SF space for all the rest of the HWC SF dates for 2015!
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tantek and the wiki pages are live too 2015-12-02 -16 -30
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tantek now we just need indie events and POSSE copies :)
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kylewm tantek++ great! i will put up indie urls soon
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Loqi tantek has 251 karma
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kevinmarks so, Apache Shindig is shutting down: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/shindig-dev/201510.mbox/browser
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tantek but I'm pretty wiped from somehow doing a bunch of indieweb wiki edits and stuff and all the Science Hack Day hacking today (built a portable planetarium and just demo'd it)
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tantek so I'll see you in the morning!
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tantek what is Apache Shindig?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Apache Shindig" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105j
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kevinmarks Apache Shindig is an open source implementation of OpenSocial specifications, including Activity Streams. It is at http://shindig.apache.org/
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loqi.me created /Apache_Shindig (+168) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-24/line/1445752160480 and dfn added by kevinmarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm hehe, I wrote a micropub script to create indie events for the rest of the year :p
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kylewm if only i could do the same for facebook
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kylewm huh, making me realize that i need to be more thoughtful about how i sort things on https://kylewm.com/events
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club (+67) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (+56) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club (+54) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+56) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club (+56) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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@PlaybuzzPublish RT @mathowie: @buzz @jwherrman Willie Nelson headlining Indieweb Content Farm Aid 2016 (twitter.com/_/status/658201419678396416)
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@kevinmarks @mathowie @buzz @jwherrman indeed http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture and silos too http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (twitter.com/_/status/658210042420662272)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/2015-10-25_de-anonymizing-facebooks-app-scoped-ids http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/snarfed.org/2015-10-25_de-anonymizing-facebooks-app-scoped-ids
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snarfed hey GWG does your syndication links wordpress plugin only work with specific silos?
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snarfed e.g. i gave it the indienews syndication link for that post, and it renders the link, but there's no link text, i guess since it doesn't have an icon hard-coded in for indienews, so the syndication link is invisible
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GWG snarfed: It is supposed to default to a generic globe icon for anything it doesn't recognize.
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snarfed huh ok
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GWG Can you file an issue?
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GWG I'll have a look.
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snarfed probably my fault since i override the css
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snarfed i'll look
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GWG snarfed: Even after I set up the no font CSS alternate files for you in the package?
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GWG I offer black and white with and without font.
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snarfed i don't remember what i currently have running, sorry
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snarfed i'll look
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GWG They are all grunt generated, so no extra work.
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GWG snarfed: By the way, updated some of the Micropub issues on the github page.
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snarfed i saw!
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ben_thatmustbeme done, all my pages now publish a rel alternate for json format. though the format isn't really done yet
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Zegnat Interesting, ben_thatmustbeme. Is that just the post ran through an mf2 parser? Ie. could anyone use stream.thatmustbe.us to offer the same?
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ben_thatmustbeme Zagnet yes with other tweaks I'm experimenting with.
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ben_thatmustbeme And yes anyone can use it
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[snarfed] like http://pin13.net/ and <https://kylewm.com/services/mf2> and <https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html> !
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah. There are a number of others that offer the same ability
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[snarfed] it'd be fun to compare them
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ben_thatmustbeme Indeed. I am intentionally sisters
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ben_thatmustbeme Gah!
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ben_thatmustbeme Phone
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GWG pfefferle was working on a similar json microformats2 feed for WordPress also, I think.
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ben_thatmustbeme I am intentionally not just publishing the mf2 json format to experiment with simpler representations
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk is as well
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ben_thatmustbeme It would be great to see it used for federation with non indieweb sites
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[snarfed] I'd also love to see more implementations of other conversations
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[snarfed] especially json to html
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[snarfed] (also mf2 to atom, etc)
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ben_thatmustbeme Json back to mf2 is difficult unless you have some specific format of json i'd imagine
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aaronpk waves
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[snarfed] ben_thatmustbeme: right. i meant mf2 json to html
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GWG MF2 JSON to HTML would be an interesting library
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aaronpk it would need some knowledge of vocabulary to do a good job
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aaronpk but basically /comments-presentation is that
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GWG aaronpk: Yes
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GWG aaronpk: Isn't that part of how you are redesigning your website. Microformats in, HTML out?
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aaronpk i suppose so yeah
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[snarfed] granary does mf2 json to html, hence my comment about more implementations
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[snarfed] feel free to try it: https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
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[snarfed] feedback is welcome!
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aaronpk oh darn i was hoping for a textarea input :)
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[snarfed] ah sorry
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aaronpk ahhh darnit i messed up my permalink on my last post and bridgy sent me webmentions to a URL that is broken (my fault)
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aaronpk is there any way to fix that?
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[snarfed] ie retry them
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[snarfed] not now but soon
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aaronpk they didn't fail though
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aaronpk i mean, they were reported to bridgy as successful
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aaronpk but failed invisibly on my side
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/524
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aaronpk ah neat
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[snarfed] until then you can send the webmentions yourself manually :/
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aaronpk heh bridgy has the wrong URL cached so now it's failing with "no link found"
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[snarfed] oh your webmention endpoint was bad! ugh ok
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[snarfed] or is this a redirect
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aaronpk the wrong URL does redirect
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aaronpk which begs the question why my webmention endpoint didn't notice that
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[snarfed] heh
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aaronpk this may not be worth the trouble right now :)
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[snarfed] feel free to file a bridgy feature request for a per user button that clears cached redirects (and webmention endpoint)
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[kevinmarks] Gwg: you could use the google favicon service
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GWG kevinmarks: For what?
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aaronpk oh boy i can't wait until i change all my URLs on my site *rolls eyes*
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[kevinmarks] For the 'I don't know what icon to show by this site link' case
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GWG When did I say that?
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GWG Oh, the thing with snarfed
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GWG That might work, but I was using a font icon
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[kevinmarks] www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain_url=news.indiewebcamp.com
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[kevinmarks] This is what we need an indieweb for http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016375.html
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aaronpk i have decided to embrace the "cover photo" trend in my new design
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[kevinmarks] You mean u-featured?
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[kevinmarks] Bonus points for u-featured SVG
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aaronpk not sure? i mean specifically for people and events
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[kevinmarks] The point of it is that it makes a more enticing preview elsewhere, mostly. That's what the /storycards thing was about
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@kylewmahan value of short a URL: I frequently use http://pin13.net instead of MY OWN https://kylewm.com/services/mf2 bc it's easier to type #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/658415734859497472)
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kylewm tantek++ updated my cassis.js to reflect the new changes in t.co shortening
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kylewm and updated my brevity library to match
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kylewm also Red Wind's micropub "location" field can now take a venue url like "https://kylewm.com/venues/mozilla-sf-san-francisco-california"
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GWG kylewm: That's a good idea.
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GWG I'm filing an issue against myself.
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