#indiewebcamp 2015-10-29

2015-10-29 UTC
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snarfed every time i think i understand css, or bootstrap, i quickly realize i don't
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snarfed ...
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snarfed i'm ok with that
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kevinmarks bootstrap is a mess
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kevinmarks css is a turing complete layout language
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kevinmarks but flexbox is nice - this is helpful https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/
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snarfed true!
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kevinmarks bootsrap assumes laying everything out in 1/12th of the width is a good idea
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kevinmarks which was vaguely plausible when it was for desktop-only ui for interanl twitter tools, but a bit of a conceptual boat anchor when you're using it for mobile
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snarfed yeah
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snarfed sadly in this case i have an existing bootstrap app that i'm just trying to tweak slightly
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snarfed and utterly failing
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snarfed whee!
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kevinmarks yeah, that's what I feel about noterlive - fred very kindly bootstrapified it for me
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kevinmarks but I don't have a good idea how to change things
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tantek reads log re: page vs article
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 7 hours, 9 minutes ago: do you know what happened to HTML JSON forms? http://www.w3.org/TR/html-json-forms/ "Beware. This specification is no longer in active maintenance and the HTML Working Group does not intend to maintain it further." http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-28/line/1446064738619
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tantek the editor left W3C
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tantek has caught up
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KartikPrabhu page vs article? hmmm
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KartikPrabhu reads logs
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tantek !tell shaners re: page vs article - interesting discussion, and I do also see them as fundamentally different, in fact, page vs post as different. to me, page is more like wiki page and hence: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-projects#Brainstorming
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do you count site "about pages" as page?
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tantek FWIW a page name to me is not a slug, but rather key to its permalink
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KartikPrabhu actually reading back aaronpk's approach to pages makes sense to me! so nvm
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tantek I see pages as out of the timestream of posts
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tantek and thus out of the date-stamped URL hierarchy
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KartikPrabhu yeah basically that is what aaronpk said. posts that don't go into any feed but have a URL anyway
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tantek now, edits to such pages could be posts
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tantek in particular, /edit posts :)
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KartikPrabhu what is edit?
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indiewebcamp.com/edit
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@pypi_updates ninka 0.3.1: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.1 (twitter.com/_/status/659642327028400128)
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@artwisanggeni #python ninka 0.3.1: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.1 (twitter.com/_/status/659643393627197440)
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[shaners] Good morning (EST).
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 8 minutes ago: re: page vs article - interesting discussion, and I do also see them as fundamentally different, in fact, page vs post as different. to me, page is more like wiki page and hence: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-projects#Brainstorming http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-28/line/1446091206547
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aaronpk good morning
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pfefferle good morning
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snarfed morning pfefferle! long time no talk
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pfefferle hey snarfed sure sure :)
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singpolyma.net edited /GNU_social (+4) "/* Open Questions */ fix description to say the link goes in the atom author." (view diff)
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[shaners] !tell Tantek do you think Pages should have an `in reply to` field?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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petermolnar oh, yeah, one more new script to clean up in wordpress in the upcoming 4.4; wp_dequeue_script ('wp-embed');
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petermolnar smell bloatware
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petermolnar s/smell/smells
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: smells bloatware
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voxpelli petermolnar: didn't WordPress become bloated years ago?
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voxpelli was ages since it was the go to tool for me for a simple small little blog
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petermolnar it did
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petermolnar though I have a 'theme' which reduces a significant amout of the bloat
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voxpelli I went to Jekyll and custom code instead :P
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petermolnar I'm still finding the WP admin part useful
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voxpelli And Drupal – because Drupal while also being complex is also pretty robust so one actually gets something back from it
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petermolnar but I'm getting a bit tired of keeping it clean
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voxpelli The new admin should be Quill and the likes ;)
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petermolnar Drupal, no. Not for me. It's ridiculously heaving on the server
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petermolnar heavy
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voxpelli not so sure I would say that Drupal is necessarily more heavy than WordPress – one can optimize Drupal pretty heavily and make it use good cache systems
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voxpelli and also make it do very optimized queries
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voxpelli even NoSQL based ones
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voxpelli it is targeted at bigger sites than a blog though
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snarfed kylewm++ for adding mf2util to granary!
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snarfed mf2util++
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Loqi kylewm has 253 karma
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Loqi mf2util has 2 karma
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bear snarfed++ for the bridgy updates I saw in the backlog
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Loqi snarfed has 156 karma
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bear kylewm++ for mf2util in granary - that's awesome
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Loqi kylewm has 254 karma
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[shaners] aaronpk: Here’s my post on my site about our post types #longbet.
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[shaners] http://veganstraightedge.com/notes/2015/10/28/2
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aaronpk oh great haha
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voxpelli Seen that Apple has published their real News format now?
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voxpelli https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/General/Conceptual/Apple_News_Format_Ref/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40015408-CH79-SW1
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voxpelli It contains properties for eg. animations
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voxpelli aaronpk: also interesting that Apple use multipart with their JSON to publish images together with them
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voxpelli reference for that: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/General/Conceptual/News_API_Ref/CreateArticle.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40015409-CH14-SW1
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@k0k0la Après avoir étudié @ownCloud @MyCozyCloud, je pense retenir @FastMailFM : mail, agenda et contact rapide, sécurisé et privé #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/659821496320266240)
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voxpelli While the Facebook Instant Articles format looked fairly simple, the Apple one looks very complex
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voxpelli Animation properties, styling properties etc – none of that is in Instant Articles
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voxpelli Apple even supports Markdown in their format :P
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kevinmarks so these are almost but not quite CSS attributes
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kevinmarks oy
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voxpelli the style types inherits properties from each other as well
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voxpelli the VideoFill inherits properties from the Abstract Fill style :P
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kevinmarks hm, do we need to update RSVP ? https://twitter.com/poeks/status/659766478531506176
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@poeks Event planning in Portland, an attendee response key: Yes = Maybe Maybe = No Didn't Answer = Definitely not No = I am from the East Coast (twitter.com/_/status/659766478531506176)
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@dougmckown @benwerd @withknown @Medium Are there plans to offer Known to Medium integration? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/659829787112964096)
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gRegorLove snarfed: Not sure if this has been requested already, but would it be possible to list non-interactive Bridgy Publish logs under the "Published" heading, too?
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snarfed gRegorLove: huh i thought they were
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snarfed they should be
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gRegorLove Wait, I guess it does.
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snarfed :P
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gRegorLove But not a failed one. Maybe it just timed out on my end
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snarfed yeah, if it's not there bridgy probably never saw it
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snarfed errors are definitely included
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@kevinmarks @somelaniesaid there's a lot of that going on at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/659834814548152321)
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davidpeach hello you lovely people!
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snarfed hi!
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davidpeach why do google have to break my album scraper? meh!
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snarfed scraping--
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Loqi scraping has -1 karma
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tantek parsing++
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Loqi tantek: [shaners] left you a message 6 hours, 46 minutes ago: do you think Pages should have an `in reply to` field? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-29/line/1446130877619
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Loqi parsing has 1 karma
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tantek !tell shaners neverming plumbing questions (should x have y plumbing), what's the use-case you're trying to solve?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed "do i want to let people comment on my resume?" :P
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aaronpk nah iirc he's wondering whether to add a field for it
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aaronpk plus the user-facing question is "woudl I want to send a reply to someone that is a page rather than a post"
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[shaners] Tantek: the use case is “should a page be able display a link or reply context to something else?"
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[shaners] I’m leaning toward yes
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tantek aaronpk - still a bit plumbing-ish: "is a page rather than a post"
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: neverming plumbing questions (should x have y plumbing), what's the use-case you're trying to solve? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-29/line/1446155316727
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aaronpk yeah that's my point ;)
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tantek shaners, still plumbingish - a link or reply context to something else is a side-effect
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tantek what's the actual use-case you're trying to solve?
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tantek as a *user*
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tantek not as a programmer
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tantek what a page can or cannot do is not a user-centric use-case, that's anthropomorphizing a feature
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tantek what task is the user (you) trying to accomplish?
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[shaners] Here’s an example. It’s a page on my site, that I made inspired by my friend’s similar page. (They’re both pages out of timestream.) But *as a user*, I’m not sure if I want to show an in-reply-to link.
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[shaners] Her page: http://more.dearcoquette.com/playlists
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[shaners] My page: http://veganstraightedge.com/mixtapes
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[shaners] I’m not asking your opinion as a plumber or programmer. I’m asking you as a user, what do you think? Do you ever want to show reply-context or an in-reply-to link on a Page that you’ve made?
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aaronpk i can't think of an instance where i would
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[shaners] what’s that, aaronpk ?
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aaronpk that was in reply to "Do you ever want to show reply-context or an in-reply-to link on a Page that you’ve made?"
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[shaners] I mean, what’s that instance?
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aaronpk ?
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[shaners] What’s the instance where you would want to do that?
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aaronpk i said I can't think of one
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[shaners] Oh derp. Reading is hard, apparently. Sorry.
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davidpeach [shaners] I like how you've done your mix tapes
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[shaners] thanks!
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davidpeach i track listens from google play on mine. http://davidpea.ch/listens
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davidpeach would love to do mixtapes area too though
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[shaners] I track (scrobble) my iTunes etc with last.fm still. Eventually, I’d like to scrobble directly to my site too.
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aaronpk meee tooo
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aaronpk so sad that most scrobble clients dropped the "custom server" config option
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[shaners] Add that to the list of iOS/OS X apps that we’ll have to make ourselves.
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davidpeach i had to build a little scraper to grab data from google play music all access public pages. bit of a pain as they've now changed how their images are loaded.
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[shaners] scraping--
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Loqi scraping has -2 karma
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aaronpk yeah and chrome extension for when i play through a browser
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aaronpk spotify will be tricky to scrobble from on my own
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aaronpk i think there's an osx api i can tap into tho
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davidpeach nice
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gRegorLove davidpeach: How are you tracking your Google Play listens?
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davidpeach hi gRegorLove. I save the URL in my site admin then ive got a scraper that scrapes the 'public facing' version of the album screen that none-members can view, and grab the title, artist, artwork.
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davidpeach then for each time submit my listen form in admin, i then add to a listen_count table with timestamps. So got album saved once, then each entry in counts to track individual listen dates
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davidpeach i will be sharing the code for it - just need to tidy a package nicely :)
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gRegorLove Oh, so you're manually posting when you're listening?
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davidpeach yer
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davidpeach per album, not song
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davidpeach im just looking at ways to do same with things i watch on tv/film/cinema
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davidpeach thinking of using trakt.tv
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gRegorLove I used GetGlue a bit for some of that. It's dead now.
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davidpeach trying to get my head around oauth2 for first time
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davidpeach yeesh
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davidpeach i know it should be simple
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davidpeach but implementing it has always confused me
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davidpeach night night all