#indiewebcamp 2015-11-14

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aaronpk kylewm: hope you like the new email format :) I made some other changes too
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aaronpk like including the wiki page summaries
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GWG New emails?
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aaronpk are you signed up for /this-week already?
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GWG No
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aaronpk what is this week?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWebCamp community https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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GWG I will rectify that
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aaronpk woohoo
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GWG Snarfed, so far, Facebook pages are working, but I'm waiting for someone to notice
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tantek evening #indiewebcamp
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 11/12 at 4:00am: I don't think #indieweb is becoming intentionally overloaded, I have been seeing indie publishing on the web slowly move toward that for a while. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447329629096
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 11/12 at 4:01am: i feel like we should comment that defending a hashtag like that paints the community pretty poorly http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447329681941
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tantek just checking in and seeing the news about Paris. thoughts with those in the community in Paris.
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tantek !tell ben_thatmustbeme perhaps we can start by documenting the overloading of the indieweb hashtag and providing a positive / supportive / inclusive statement about it?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I have to give credit to FB for the "marked safe" notification feature they have
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tantek what is marked safe?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "marked safe" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106z
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:2015-11-MIT.jpg "https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/11/07/4/indiewebcamp"
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/MIT (+45) "add photo" (view diff)
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tantek marked safe is a notification feature that tells you when those you follow have marked themselves as safe in an area affected by a disaster or other physical emergency within a geographical area.
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loqi.me created /marked_safe (+222) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-13/line/1447463098579 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /marked_safe (+210) "silo examples FB" (view diff)
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wagle dietrich: did I send my email to the right place?
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tantek.com edited /marked_safe (+654) "provide text notification example as seen today" (view diff)
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dietrich wagle: yep. just been traveling.
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Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message 3 weeks ago: really hope you can make it to the main annual IndieWebCamp in Portland! Sign-up: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-05/line/1433528035738
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Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 4 days ago: can you host HWC PDX this Wednesday? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-29/line/1435591034723
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Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message on 8/9 at 11:08pm: are you able to host Homebrew Website Club this week in PDX? Can you edit and add the Portland location here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-09/line/1439186890180
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dietrich heh
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dietrich thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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@kevinmarks #NextEconomy my notes from today on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/nexteconomy2015-11-13.html and on medium https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/next-economy-notes-2015-11-13-169f898adc52 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665341231786913794)
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wagle dietrich: ok, np
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dietrich wagle: are you on moz irc? definitely OT for this channel :)
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wagle didnt wait to wait patiently if you didnt get it.. 8)
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wagle yeah
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tantek lol hey dietrich
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ben_thatmustbeme replay that loqi
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ Loqi bug? "message 3 weeks ago: really hope you can make it to the main annual IndieWebCamp in Portland!"
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 30 minutes ago: perhaps we can start by documenting the overloading of the indieweb hashtag and providing a positive / supportive / inclusive statement about it? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-13/line/1447463042967
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ben_thatmustbeme yes i think perhaps so
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tantek aaronpk, dietrich pretty sure I left that message *months* ago
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: figuring if we can passively document such apparent conflicts in a more positive / inclusive way, it may encourage more of that kind of thinking in the future
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tantek and then we can decouple the decision as to whether to weigh-in on any particular thread
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dietrich tantek: hey! nice irc time machine
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tantek also it empowers more people (perhaps more familiar with those in the conversation) to weigh-in and cite our wiki page
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tantek what is Safety Check?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Safety Check" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1070
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tantek what is safety check?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "safety check" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1071
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tantek safety check is an aggregation feature that shows a list of the people you follow in a disaster affected geographical area that have marked themselves as safe. See also [[marked safe]].
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loqi.me created /safety_check (+212) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-13/line/1447465026188 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /safety_check (+363) "silo examples FB, see also, icon" (view diff)
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@MogulAzam RT @kevinmarks: #NextEconomy my notes from today on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/nexteconomy2015-11-13.html and on medium https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/next-economy-notes-2015-11-13-169f898adc52 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665344619371212800)
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tantek I'm still trying to capture / document / describe enough of marked safe / safety check to figure out if there is something here of an implicit or explicit post type
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tantek even if only in text-only form
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tantek e.g. I feel like I've seen people post on Twitter after an earthquake etc. that they are safe
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GWG Good evening.
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tantek a-ha - "safety status"
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tantek what is safety status
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "safety status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1072
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tantek safety status is a particular type of post (with a permalink) that indicates a person's safety during a disaster event and can be posted by a person or by one of their friends. Such posts are shown as a [[marked safe]] notification to followers, and aggregated on a [[safety check]] page.
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loqi.me created /safety_status (+315) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-13/line/1447466868187 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk huh.... "3 weeks ago"
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tantek trying to filter accordingly
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tantek yeah
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tantek.com edited /safety_status (+365) "dfn tweak, silo examples, facebook, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /safety_status (+174) "/* Facebook */ add permalink to example safety status post" (view diff)
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tantek would appreciate review of the following new pages:
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/safety_status
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/marked_safe
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tantek.com edited /marked_safe (+24) "/* See Also */ safety check, safety status" (view diff)
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tantek and https://indiewebcamp.com/safety_check
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tantek aaronpk et al ^^^
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aaronpk oh that was a weird bug
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@kevinmarks @Pinboard you can do both #posse #lockss #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665367705516544001)
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tantek_ wow what conference was @Pinboard at where he was throwing down so hard? https://twitter.com/Pinboard
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aaronpk ha! https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/665339928260177920
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@Pinboard Thanks to everyone who followed these zillion conference tweets, and to Oā€™Reilly for inviting me to attend and talk shit about it. Respect (twitter.com/_/status/665339928260177920)
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tantek have to agree with the first comment on this, ironic that it's on twitter and not his own site (can't even find one if he has one) https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/665338840618430464
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@Pinboard Going to go against whatā€™s being said on stage and encourage people here to please post their notes and reactions on their own sites (twitter.com/_/status/665338840618430464)
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tantek found it http://www.idlewords.com/
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tantek mlncn++ for http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb
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Loqi mlncn has 1 karma
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tantek wat
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tantek did anyone else have any thoughts about the plain text representation of a POSSE like?
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tantek gah I can't find where I asked about this before - maybe I mistakenly did so in #indiechat
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@sikkdays I really got to switch to known and get with this indieweb scene. (twitter.com/_/status/665390825556176896)
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tantek ok, POSSE like posted to http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb#comment-5549 - " Your comment has been queued for review by site administrators and will be published after approval." - now I just have to wait for mlncn to approve it :)
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tantek what is silo quits?
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos, either with intended permanence, or temporarily (sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break") https://indiewebcamp.com/silo-quits
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tantek !tell Tino who are the big bloggers? re: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-08/line/1446995638957
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@eccegostudio RT @drupalplanet: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665409529178365952)
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@bitandbang RT @sikkdays: I really got to switch to known and get with this indieweb scene. (twitter.com/_/status/665536714446802945)
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@VRM Let's scale #intentcasting Yo @kcolbin @Kim_Cameron @indiewebcamp @mywaveme @ineed @meeco_me @greentoedotcom @benwerd @MrChrisEllis #vrm (twitter.com/_/status/665560458460467200)
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tantek this article http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/googles-amp-an-internet-giant-tackles-the-old-myth-of-the-web-is-too-slow/ may be enough to start a Wikipedia article on POSSE (several citations/links, explanations of it) cc: tommorris
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tommorris Ars link is maybe a passing mention.
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tantek huh? it has paragraphs on it
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tantek excerpted here: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Articles
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+197) "/* Articles */ add reference from concluding paragraph too" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+50) "/* Articles */ note publication" (view diff)
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tantek hah - I didn't know that's what tbrb stood for.
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tantek what is tbrb
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tbrb" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1073
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tantek tbrb is TheBigRedButton
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Loqi ok
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tbrb tantek: Yeah, and my bouncer still falls back to TheBigRedButton on the odd hiccup, so sometimes I log in and it's got the wrong nick
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tantek tbrb: just found your entry on /irc-people and tried to click it ;)
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tantek as a HWC organizer, may I recommend you https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying#Wikify_yourself :)
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tbrb Good catch, I'll throw that on my to-do
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@HongPong #indieweb #indiewebcamp crowd has worked a lot of similar mechanisms for breaking out of silos, its neat @blogdiva @idrysdale #platformcoop (twitter.com/_/status/665577777593237504)
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tantek noticing that FB events seem to have lost the separate "regrets" or "Post why you can't go" page / thread
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tantek which now has the (unintended?) effect that many of the events I see have tons of recent comments which are all "sorry I can't go" which then puts a downer on the event as a whole
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tantek especially since *everybody* gets notified for every new comment - checks it - just to see that it's another person declining
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tantek and since people are social animals, seeing lots of other people post that they can't go makes you not want to go
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tantek knowing all this, instead of posting a "Sorry I can't make it" comment on the event (which appears to show that you publicly care, but actually hurts the overall social dynamic of the event), the better thing to do is to privately message host(s) that you can't go.
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tantek thinking about all this from a UX for indie event posts (and RSVPs) perspective
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@benwerd Apparently @turnitin marks your work as plagiarism if you've also posted it on your own domain. Not in line with #edtech thinking. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665595662738653185)
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tantek wow that's nuts!
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[shaners] so banananananas
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tantek !tell benwerd re: turnitin plagiarism own domain - screenshots? can we document this on the wiki as being indieweb unfriendly?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@HongPong the #indiewebcamp crew has helped patch things together @nathanairplane @erinroseglass @GNUsocial @joindiaspora @TwisterPtoP @FriendicaNews (twitter.com/_/status/665601135290486784)
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@HongPong i went to #indiewebcamp at MIT & Tim Berners Lee came by to get a burrito. true @nathanairplane @erinroseglass @TwisterPtoP @FriendicaNews (twitter.com/_/status/665601280337969161)
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@geraldineglobal RT @VRM: Let's scale #intentcasting Yo @kcolbin @Kim_Cameron @indiewebcamp @mywaveme @ineed @meeco_me @greentoedotcom @benwerd @MrChrisElliā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/665605173704691712)
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@benwerd @erinroseglass @nathanairplane @HongPong We're building open software for education. Also check out @ReclaimHosting and #indiewebcamp. (twitter.com/_/status/665606604738293760)
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@ineed RT @VRM: Let's scale #intentcasting Yo @kcolbin @Kim_Cameron @indiewebcamp @mywaveme @ineed @meeco_me @greentoedotcom @benwerd @MrChrisElliā€¦ (twitter.com/_/status/665606630655021056)
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snarfed anyone familiar with SWAT0 or silo interop, i'd love a review of this! https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#Silo_SWAT0
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[snarfed] the challenge now is to find a silo API that supports enough of those req'ts to actually do it
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KartikPrabhu [snarfed]: does twitter not have all of those in the API?
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kevinmarks_ twitter has person tag of photo with notifications, so A is easy
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[snarfed] I've catalogued solo support for each feature:
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459
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[snarfed] <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/488>
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[snarfed] <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/523>
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[snarfed] <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/540>
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KartikPrabhu neat
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[snarfed] no person tags in twitter api :/
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[snarfed] only mentions. and those only via search
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KartikPrabhu :(
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KartikPrabhu it seems the silos have catching up to do
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[snarfed] basically new twitter features never get added to the api
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[snarfed] true for years now. intentional, based on conversations with people who make the calls there
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kevinmarks_ I miss when they were API first
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[snarfed] yup. long long gone
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tantek snarfed - I reviewed the Silo SWAT0 summary - it's a very good start
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tantek I think it may be simpler for you to pick which of the players will be using a silo, and then list everything very specifically given that assumption
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tantek rather than trying to figure it out for all three players
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tantek kevinmarks_: "so A is easy" I'm not sure you're qualified to say A is easy without having done A yourself ;)
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kevinmarks_ I do have my own app that shwos twitter notifications, which is why I was thinking of it. but no notifications for person tagging in photo is weak
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tantek !tell snarfed I reviewed the Silo SWAT0 summary - it's a very good start. I think it may be simpler for you to pick which of the players will be using a silo, and then list everything very specifically given that assumption rather than trying to figure it out for all three players.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed] we could argue that we can substitute mentions for tags, but if we're strict, SWAT0 does say tags
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Loqi [snarfed]: tantek left you a message on 11/14 at 12:34pm: I reviewed the Silo SWAT0 summary - it's a very good start. I think it may be simpler for you to pick which of the players will be using a silo, and then list everything very specifically given that assumption rather than trying to figure it out for all three players. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-14/line/1447533289328
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[snarfed] tantek: sure! i can do that to
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tantek snarfed, it would be a useful exercise for us to *attempt* to do siloA indieB indieC where siloA is Facebook, or Instagram, or even Twitter, and then document the roadblocks
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[snarfed] i think we'll actually have to (pick one) due to limited API support
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[snarfed] sure
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tantek snarfed, yeah, of course we'll have to pick one, I'm just saying we try them one at a time, document if/when we get stuck, then try the next one
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tantek that documentation will help us with going to contacts at various silos and asking for more support
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tantek snarfed, another SWAT0 variant that involves silos that could be useful is one that uses silos as posting apps, that is PESOS e.g. with OwnYourGram
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[snarfed] based on the cataloging links i mentioned, we can already tell which silos support which participants
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[snarfed] sure!
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[snarfed] i think i mentioned PESOS. hopefully the writeup supports it too
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tantek I do think the PESOS vs silo-native use-cases are different and each valuable
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tantek snarfed: I'm currently continuing to iterate on improving my own photo-posting support on my site, happy to contribute to your silo SWAT0 brainstorming - let me know when you're done editing the wiki.
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed just going to copy the silo API support from github, then i'm done
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GWG I need to continue one of two projects
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GWG Some work on Post Kinds to finish parsing urls into useful metadata
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GWG And refactoring Micropub
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tantek GWG, finish parsing ... sounds like a good wrap-up from what you were working on a bit at IWC MIT
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GWG It isn't continuation of that work
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GWG Is, excuse me
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GWG The data is coming in, but the storage, retrieval and display need work
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GWG I feel that I need a fresh perspective on how to integrate microformats into wordpress
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snarfed k, i'm done for now. based on the research there, it's straightforward to do the arithmetic on which silo(s) could currently do this, if any
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snarfed i'll do that later if no one else beats me to it
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snarfed ok, it only took a few seconds, so i did it now. it *looks* like both FB and flickr could do this.
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snarfed much of the support would likely happen in bridgy, so i guess choosing one kinda depends on whether kylewm (for flickr) or me (for FB) has more free time right now :P
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bear seeing that indieweb.news domain was available (thanks GWG :) I bought it and did a url redirect for http://indieweb.news to http://news.indiewebcamp.com
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GWG I am glad that I could contribute
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bear :)
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GWG I am still thinking of buying a domain and putting up a WordPress Indiewebcamp tutorial site.
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tantek excellent snarfed! if we can get a SWAT0 success with FB or Flickr, perhaps we can use that to convince Twitter, IG, G+ to provide APIs to participate as well.
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GWG Snarfed, do you have g+ page support?
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[snarfed] GWG no, but there's a fair trust, feel free to +1 it
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[snarfed] er feature request
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[snarfed] is that an itch for you? want to try to add it? I'll happily help!
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GWG Okay. Just was not sure what was possible
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GWG I itch all over
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[snarfed] tantek: heh. i love your optimism.
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Loqi whatever
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GWG But I think I will keep working on what I have
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GWG The Wordpress stream
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GWG I am getting better at that
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[snarfed] actually i don't think the G+ API includes pages
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GWG That was why I asked. I wasn't sure if it was possible
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/354
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GWG I can't remember what I asked, clearly
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GWG How about indieweb.us for a WordPress Indieweb tutorials?
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GWG Names are hard.
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GWG I could buy indiewebify.us
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kevinmarks_ we could encourage medium too, as they are activly developing their API
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kevinmarks_ G+ API only inlcudes pages if they approve you I think
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GWG If anyone has any ideas, tell me.
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[tantek] GWG, tutorial content first (I suggest wiki it to start with), when there's enough to merit a separate site, you can worry about naming then
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[tantek] Naming questions are more often than not a distraction, because it's easier to debate a name for a thing than to actually get to building it.
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[tantek] So instead, build it first.
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GWG My ultimate dream is to get more people in the Wordpress community involved.
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[tantek] Hey that's a great suggestion for something to put on our User: pages - "Ultimate Dream" section.
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petermolnar we need to reach the actual blogs in that case; that powers 25% of the web is mostly woocommerce :/
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[tantek] snarfed: I'm trying to practice daily (optimism) :)
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GWG Under a picture of Don Quixote?
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GWG Petermolnar, ideas on that?
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[tantek] GWG, the best way to get more people involved is to be the best example yourself that you can be. Which you're doing bit by bit - eg notifications this past weekend.
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[tantek] Perhaps blog about what you got working with notifications from WordPress, and show screenshots from your blog and phone of receiving the notifications!
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petermolnar I've been thinking of that for 2 years now and couldn't even get on board programmer friends who already has ~self-hosted WP sites
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petermolnar (that was a re: to GWG)
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[tantek] GWG, petermolnar I also suggest focusing on just getting 1-2 more people involved, perhaps your closest ties in that community. That kind of personal focused positive attention usually is quite effective.
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GWG I keep trying new approaches
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[tantek] And you'll likely learn about their frustrations and roadblocks too.
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[tantek] Which are important to document.
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petermolnar sure, the problem is more that I can't get them motivated in it
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[tantek] GWG, have you documented the responses to the old approaches?
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[tantek] Petermolnar have you asked them what their goals are with their current self hosted sites?
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petermolnar I did; 99% of the cases the sites are secondary, there are additional social networks and they are not willing to 'give up the conform'
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GWG That was why I was thinking about a document that played up the positives
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GWG How do we wow people?
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[tantek] GWG the answer to that is simple: with beautiful visual design and UX on your own site.
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petermolnar we don't, I think
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[tantek] Implementing that is the hard part.
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petermolnar "beautiful design" is the "web 2.0" of 2015
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[tantek] Disagree. Beautiful design is specific enough to be actionable.
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[tantek] It's just harder than arguing about APIs and formats and plumbing.
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[tantek] But it's the key to wowing people.
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petermolnar about the wowing: https://medium.com/@tylrfishr/im-22-years-old-and-what-is-this-d73c2573c254 - this keeps popping up in my mind when I'm trying to come up with anything to wow people who joined the internet in the post-social-networks era
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[tantek] There's lots that is actionable in that article petermolnar.
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[tantek] I challenge you to distill it to a short list of positive action points for the indieweb community.
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petermolnar ok
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aaronpk "Iā€™m not sure simply reverting back to what we had is the right path if we want to include people who have never experienced the open web or understand its principles."
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aaronpk ^^
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aaronpk I think that hits close to the indieweb principles
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petermolnar heh, just a thought: Snapchat replacement - ephemeral private webmentions, once crawled by the corresponding target, the post gets deleted
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aaronpk snapmention
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aaronpk heck you could probably do that reasonably safely with just long token URLs and no actual identity or authentication
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petermolnar would need https though on both sides
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kmahan1 trying out willnorris's imageproxy tool, it uses urls like https://kylewm.com/imageproxy/http://example.com/image.jpg, and i'm having a bit of trouble with nginx rewrite converting the double slash to a single slash (http://example.com to http:/example.com)
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kylewm any ideas how to get around that, other than setting merge_slashes off; for the whole server?
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aaronpk can you make it take the image URL in the query string instead so that you can urlencode it?
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kylewm yes, but i would have to learn go :/
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kylewm i suppose i could urlencode the url even if it isn't in a query param right?
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[snarfed] ooh, instead of learning go, kylewm want to work on silo swat0 with me? :P
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[snarfed] all we need us a few more Facebook or Flickr features in bridgy
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kylewm but i'm busy moving around deck chairs!
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kylewm @snarfed how can I help? I'm just a little bit lost between mentions/tags/responses to tags
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[snarfed] if we say B is the silo only participant, for FB, i think we only need publish person tags
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[snarfed] for Flickr, we need publish posts, comments, person tags, and also feeds for readers
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kylewm thankfully flickr provides its own rss/atom feeds https://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/
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[snarfed] yeah i figured
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[snarfed] so Flickr would be more work, but people have already asked for Flickr publish support anyway
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[snarfed] i could do fb if you want to try some of Flickr
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kylewm sure, I'm not opposed to adding it
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[snarfed] or whatever
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[snarfed] OK!
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kylewm we need a new path through granary to find posts that tag a person?
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kylewm /@me/@tagged/@app?
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[snarfed] nah we skip the person tag/mention stuff if B is the solo only participant
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[snarfed] i *think*
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[snarfed] er silo
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kylewm ok
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kylewm fun problem to try and figure out the silo user_id from the personal URL
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aaronpk in the process of getting rid of my mail server whee
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[snarfed] email--
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aaronpk decided to shortcut moving a bunch of my email forwarding by just not forwarding those anymore
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aaronpk i realized I had a lot of forwarding rules only for the sake of having an email like hostmaster@example.com on the domain
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[snarfed] pruning++
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aaronpk bulk-updated those to all use the same email now
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aaronpk whiiiich means now a bunch of my domains don't have mx records \o/
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kylewm hrm, don't you need those to verify your domain on startssl?
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aaronpk nope! they do a whois lookup and will send to any domain in the list
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kylewm thought i remembered having to set up webmaster@kylewm.com to verify my identity
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aaronpk so you can have whatev@gmail.com listed as one of the contacts of kylewm.com if you want
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kylewm oh interesting
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aaronpk yeah that was also my assumption, but then I realized they actually do a whois lookup!
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kylewm were you emailing yourself error logs from your apps?
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kylewm (context: i realized that that has stopped working for my site recently and don't want to fix it)
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aaronpk no
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[snarfed] they have lots of verification options