#indiewebcamp 2015-11-21

2015-11-21 UTC
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@jeffubois for Nelson style partial linking, there are fragmentions too indiewebcamp.com/fragmentions' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/667853709225959424)
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kylewm that feels like giving up an awful lot of ground to twitter
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kylewm to say they own @-names in general
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kylewm I mean I guess if you see an @-name on a billboard, it's safe to assume it's twitter
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kylewm but in more limited contexts, there are lots of different platforms that use them
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kylewm (and will continue to use them when twitter's gone)
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tantek like IG sure
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tantek I'm surprised that singpolyma didn't even note the problems of @charset @import @media ;)
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[kevinmarks] Ig remap them when they syndicate to twitter
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tantek if they have first-hand knowledge (auth'd) of the mapping
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tantek heh - the logs auto-linked @charset @import @media
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tantek notes that @cassisjs auto_link specifically does not auto-link those
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tantek kylewm: the general feedback is to pushback that 1) evidence is needed, and 2) better to develop such algorithms on your own site first (and try them out as such) before generalizing to Bridgy
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tantek e.g. auto_link is the result of LOTS of first-hand publishing and POSSEing experience'
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tantek speaking of evidence, off to document more person-tagging presentation behaviors
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GWG !tell acegiak Working on a Javascript populate button. If only I knew Javascript
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak GWG: I'm happy to help. I've done plenty of javascript stuff with whisperfollow
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kylewm I'm certainly on board with 'experiment on your own site (or manually), and document first before trying to generalize to bridgy"
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tantek OTOH, documenting a brainstorm on the wiki is fine, especially if it's described as such!
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GWG acegiak: Have you ever used the ajax handler in WordPress?
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acegiak GWG: I'm not sure if I've used wordpress'es one
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tantek e.g. kylewm right now I'm trying to figure out how *I* want to POSSE person-tags to Twitter especially when there are "a lot" of them, like more than will fit in a tweet.
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GWG acegiak: What I'm doing, for some reason, is sending a request to it, but not triggering the handler I thought I registered properly.
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acegiak I've used the jquery one cause jquery is there in qordpress
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acegiak GWG: If you've taken the existing autopopulate out I can take a look at what you've got
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GWG I haven't yet. I created a separate meta box so I could easily disable, reenable the work. I'm planning to spend the evening(here) on it.
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GWG I suppose I could disable it on the dev version.
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acegiak maybe do that and I'll have a look? I've got a spare hour
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GWG acegiak: Committed to the repository.
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GWG If you want to look at the latest.
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acegiak yeah looking now
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GWG The new metabox isn't hooked up to anything yet. It's just a mockup
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+2098) "/* tweet text */ brainstorm tweet presentation for more than 3 person-tags, also note relation to original post link" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: just to show I am also susceptible to "overthinking" - tweet text for person-tags design (pretty sure it's ready to implement, so that's going to be more code for me next) https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#tweet_text
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tantek review / feedback welcome!
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tantek when I get it working - I have an idea how to "hack" send it "only" to Twitter
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GWG acegiak: I haven't gotten to filling the fields with the response because I haven't gotten the response working yet.
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acegiak GWG: so your ajax query grabs the url that is being responded to, yeah?
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acegiak or does it pass hte url to a php handler?
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GWG acegiak: It is supposed to pass it to a php handler.
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GWG And get back the data to fill into the fields.
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acegiak ah ok
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acegiak and its the handler you're having trouble with?
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GWG Well, I tried putting a n error_log indicator. It doesn't seem to be tripping at all.
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acegiak for whisperfollow I use WP REST API
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acegiak which doesn't really apply as well here
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GWG acegiak: Exactly. I've been reading the literature and I can't figure out what i'm missing.
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kylewm thinking about this icon for silopub, it's very generic https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/731183/configure_gears_grear_setting_icon#size=512
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tantek oh no not a gear icon
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kylewm oh haha yeah? is that like the Papyrus of icons?
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acegiak kylewm: that icon is infuriating
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tantek lolol! (wasn't going to say it but have to agree a bit with acegiak)
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kylewm wait, enlighten me!
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acegiak for me it's the fact that the gears so clearly don't key
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tantek acegiak: to be fair, neither do silos ;)
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acegiak but gears icons are so generically used for everything that they're pretty much meaningless
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tantek yes that was my initial response
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acegiak but I think that's increasingly an issue with a lot of IT sybolism
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tantek kylewm: https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=silo&i=199885 :)
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kylewm I honestly don't really want to emphasize the silo part
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tantek well you silo in the name
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kylewm I kind of wish I hadn't?
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kylewm it's sort of denigrating for people that use tumblr, blogger, etc.
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tantek that's good empathetic intuition
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kylewm where silo.pub was supposed to help bring them in :)
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kylewm I'm guessing wrench icons are equally generic and overused?
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kylewm acegiak: good point about the cogs not lining up, can't unsee
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tantek the point is to be able to use micropub clients with your silo hosting platform right?
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acegiak kylewm: the things you're suggesting are all "settings" iconography if anything?
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kylewm true
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kylewm i want "connecting one pipe to a differently sized pipe" iconography
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tantek shudders
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acegiak the first icon on the silo page of nounproject is actually pretty good for that?
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tantek why make it about the pipes? ;)
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kylewm tantek: yes originally, although I'm more and more moving toward using it to posse too
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kylewm because it's 100% plumbing!
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tantek but that's not what the user sees! they see it more like a plugin for micropub clients that lets them talk to their server
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kylewm true
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kylewm pretty close to just using a picture of my cat
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tantek you could put a quill on top of a silo
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tantek like this one but make it more square
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tantek https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=silo&i=156672
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tantek and then put one of the simpler ones of these on top https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=quill
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kylewm lol at the one little porcupine in there
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kylewm heh, and Peter Quill at the bottom
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tantek now dealing with manual cross-silo @-name translation
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tantek (deservedly)
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gRegorLove caticon++
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tantek kylewm: maybe you need a new name for silopub before you pick an icon
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GWG acegiak: Still stumped here
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tantek Reminder - sign-up for IndieWebCamp SF! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Guest_List
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (-2) "put TOC at bottom for easy linking to headings" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, gRegorLove, acegiak, if you want to participate remotely, please add yourselves: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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GWG I'm on a plane to Florida that night
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GWG acegiak: I think I'm getting it working.
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[shaners] kylewm: how about calling silopub “Snowflake” and using one of the snowflakey icons from any of the icon sets?
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+1032) "/* Plain text authoring */ in content vs separate UI" (view diff)
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acegiak sorry, I forgot I had visitors coming around today so I'm distracted
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GWG acegiak: I should have it working soon
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@kevinmarks “Treat your audience like poets and geniuses and that’s what they’ll become,”Â http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/11/the-big-short-movie-michael-lewis #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/667916354280755201)
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[kevinmarks] the problem is all the silo iconography is implicit dick pics
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[kevinmarks] start with publish or share
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[kevinmarks] if you start with the share icon https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=share&i=143766
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[kevinmarks] and put the supported silo logos in the RH circles
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[kevinmarks] that could work
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[kevinmarks] https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=share&i=32740 has 5 targets
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GWG acegiak: Tell me when you have a moment.
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kylewm lol kevin, you pinpointed my issue with all those icons
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kevinmarks some kind of emoji in the middle wiht the silos all around works
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kevinmarks a shruggie?
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@kevinmarks @BenedictEvans come to the #indieweb light side. Or play with pinboard.in (twitter.com/_/status/667937168283729920)
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@ThatAmyMac RT @benwerd: Do you believe in owning your data? Is your website your online identity? Join us Dec 3 in SF: http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/667951426098757632)
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@schnarfed RT @benwerd: Do you believe in owning your data? Is your website your online identity? Join us Dec 3 in SF: http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/667954619813793793)
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GWG Okay, accomplished something today for my site, tomorrow I test and push live. Or rather today, considering the time.
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kylewm !tell snarfed aw man, do I really have to apply to be a web canvas app to send the cool "your facebook token expired" notifications?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek prepare for a flood of Bridgy invitations for https://www.facebook.com/events/576323515852472/ https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club
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tantek !tell bret,dietrich are you around to host Portland Homebrew Website Club 2015-12-02? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I couldn't decide on which method of entering person-tags that I would personally prefer in my own authoring/posting UI, so I wrote up brainstorms for both: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#in_content_vs_separate_UI
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tantek comments, feedback, iterations welcome!
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GWG I think I figured out how to remove more redundant code.
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Jeena Ok, I think I have finally implemented a basic version of salmentions, it still doesn't show comments of comments but at least it sends a webmention to its reply_to and person mentions without creating a recursive loop
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@LukasRosenstock ICYMI - "The counterintuitive, GIF-tastic plan to redeem the modern Internet": https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/11/10/the-counterintuitive-gif-tastic-plan-to-redeem-the-modern-internet/?utm_content=buffer85e54&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #indieweb #nostalgia (twitter.com/_/status/668157241963491328)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/some-excellent-changes-this-week#post-7692325 > chrisaldrich on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Some excellent changes this week" (twitter.com/_/status/668158211531415552)
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snarfed singpolyma++ for contributing to granary and bridgy! https://github.com/snarfed/granary/pull/62/files , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/557
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 24 minutes ago: I with you on this: "my strongest inclination at this point is to keep bridgy publish dumb" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-20/line/1448062675706
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 3 hours, 37 minutes ago: aw man, do I really have to apply to be a web canvas app to send the cool "your facebook token expired" notifications? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-21/line/1448130330500
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kylewm singpolyma++ looks like a nice and potentially useful change!
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snarfed kylewm: i've forgotten and evidently didn't document that canvas req't :/, but i think you're right
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snarfed fortunately iirc it doesn't need review
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