#indiewebcamp 2015-11-28

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kevinmarks is building a webmention receiver from scratch
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kevinmarks https://github.com/kevinmarks/mentiontech
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kevinmarks http://mention-tech.appspot.com/
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bret Anyone know the subset of favicons/website icons that need to be inlucded thees days?
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KartikPrabhu bret: maybe look at the set here: http://www.entypo.com/
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acegiak2 GWG: updating some of my scripts to the updated post kinds. Is "summary" the new citation content box?
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acegiak2 also, is v slick. like it
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bret Cool thanks KartikPrabhu
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bret lol holy cow look at em all https://www.npmjs.com/package/favicons
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bret :[ http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-icon-svg
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[kevinmarks] Do you actually need one for each iOS resolution?
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[kevinmarks] Also, the startup pngs are insane
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KartikPrabhu that's the problem with such one-size-fits-all things. They include everything by default, but you might not need most of those things
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GWG !tell acegiak, acegiak2 Summary is...mostly because citations are not usually full content. Had the hardest time with that decision.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak2 GWG: makes sense
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Loqi acegiak2: GWG left you a message 1 minute ago: Summary is...mostly because citations are not usually full content. Had the hardest time with that decision. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-27/line/1448677844539
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acegiak2 I might have gone with "extract"?
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acegiak2 but htat's off the cuff, not seriously thought about the wording
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GWG I was trying to use microformat terms
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acegiak2 makes sense then
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GWG But in some cases, like a repost, you want content not summary
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acegiak yeah
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 10 minutes ago: Summary is...mostly because citations are not usually full content. Had the hardest time with that decision. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-27/line/1448677844539
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GWG That was my dilemma
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GWG I figured that I might need a special case for a repost, but for now..
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GWG My next update involves breaking the presentation side into individual templates
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GWG And improving the icons
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GWG I have a general question about that.
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GWG I'm looking at presentation
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GWG Facebook, for example, displays a timeline as...
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GWG Alice liked a post.
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GWG Alice commented on a post.
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GWG Etc.
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GWG Is there a point in putting in 'Alice' or whatever name if the site is your site?
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kevinmarks summary is good, that's what atom and h-feed call it
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kevinmarks you can mark it up with p-summary or e-summary and my storycards will see it
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GWG kevinmarks: The issue is that I had one box, and I was calling it content, but it is more often a summary as the only time it should be the entire thing is if it is a repost.
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GWG Also, the thing the person is writing is also content.
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GWG This is a citation summary as part of context.
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kevinmarks I've started putting summaries (often extracts) on my homepage posts
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GWG kevinmarks: I think you are thinking one level up from the discussion
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GWG This would be in a reply, for example, where the summary was a summary of the URL that is being replied to.
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kevinmarks my point being that calling it summary and marking it up as summary for atom and h-entry is good
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kevinmarks ah, I see
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kevinmarks hm
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kevinmarks I think it still maps
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GWG Inside an h-cite nested in a h-entry?
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kevinmarks the name/summary/content distinction still matters I think
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KartikPrabhu yes. summary can be inside a h-cite of h-entry
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KartikPrabhu and in fact would be very appropriate
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That I agree. I was asking if his storycards would account for it.
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kevinmarks that I'm less ure of, but I could adapt them
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kevinmarks hm, I'm getting name fallback by the look of it http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F
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kevinmarks OK, http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ now verifies webmentions asynchronously
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@kevinmarks I've made a from scratch webmention parser at http://mention-tech.appspot.com to try out spec variations (twitter.com/_/status/670460526195949573)
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kevinmarks where did the instructions for sending a webmention with curl go?
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kevinmarks it's still in the french version http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention-fr
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kevinmarks hm, is webmention discovery not working for http://mention-tech.appspot.com ?
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kevinmarks known doesn't seem to ping it
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kevinmarks so bridgy discovered the wm endpoint and sent a ping
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kylewm kevinmarks: webmention discovery looks good from here
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snarfed1 cool!
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kevinmarks OK, so I have an indiscriminate webmention receiver
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kevinmarks doing super naïve checking
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kevinmarks maybe I should make my responses not use the template
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kylewm so this is the idea that if you link to someone and they don't support webmentions, we could ping like an archive instead?
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kevinmarks yes, though it's also an exercise in understanding the protocol for me
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GWG kevinmarks: I'm going to give SVG a try. Any advice?
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kevinmarks what for specifically?
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kevinmarks you can just drop them in img tags
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kevinmarks that works
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kevinmarks but if you inline them they can be styled with CSS too
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GWG kevinmarks: In place of icon fonts
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kevinmarks you saw the article I posted on that?
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GWG You linked to one in here. Was that the same one?
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kevinmarks yes, that was a good intro
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kevinmarks kartik write about ti last year: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/inline-svg-icons
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GWG It was more philosophical though
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kevinmarks not sure if spriting is always a good idea
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kevinmarks with http2 it is possibly redundant
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GWG I'm right now assembling a collection of SVG icons
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kevinmarks if you are spritemapping, https://github.com/jonathantneal/svg4everybody may help
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kevinmarks the other thing I learned about SVG is be careful with text - you can get the same font issues as HTML
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GWG I'm just assembling my icon set.
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kevinmarks kylewm: OK, now have mention retrieval per domain
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kevinmarks the funny thing is you can always verify a link from http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ to anything
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kevinmarks as the main page updates before the verifier runs
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@mention_tech Can we untangle webmention from micropub? (twitter.com/_/status/670497848698363904)
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KartikPrabhu errr what?
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KartikPrabhu kevinmarks: is that you? ^ ?
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kevinmarks yes
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KartikPrabhu I don't understand the question then. webmention is separate from micropub
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kevinmarks well, I was trying to use https://checkmention.appspot.com/
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kevinmarks but it wants indieauth
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KartikPrabhu yes, because it will send XSS embedded webmentions
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KartikPrabhu I really wouldn't want others sending me those webmentions
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kevinmarks true
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KartikPrabhu but still don't see the connection with micropub
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kevinmarks I meant indieauth, but was confusing myself
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KartikPrabhu of course generic webmention does not depend on indieauth at all
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kevinmarks right, that si what I was tryign to prove ;)
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kevinmarks I yak-shaved myself inot implementing a webmention endpoint while debating the protocol
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kevinmarks https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/10#issuecomment-160005332
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a lot of hypotheticals
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kevinmarks also https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/4#issuecomment-160201684
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KartikPrabhu why are people complaining about extensions when they probably haven't even played with webmention!?
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@jordan_web @TSGtheseries @syddoberstein The # #indieweb you will find it is used by a group dedicated to creating a new independent web technology (twitter.com/_/status/670507471564337152)
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tantek kevinmarks++ for another webmention implementation!
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Loqi kevinmarks has 182 karma
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tantek KartikPrabhu: because philosophy vs science+engineering
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KartikPrabhu all the w3c discussions I have seen are like that
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's unfortunate that there are so many more that appear to practice more philosophy than engineering
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tantek but there is often hope of turning philosophers into engineers
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tantek regardless, the growing body of implementations unaffected by the issues raised tends to reduce the credibility of the issues en masse
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@tinokremer Interesting how fast things change, I now read the #indieweb websites via @kylewm's reader in the morning instead .. https://tinokremer.nl/2015/interesting-how-fast-things-change-i-now-read-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/670513501656498176)
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tantek kylewm++ for Woodwind! Proxy ++ from that tweet :)
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Loqi kylewm has 272 karma
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tantek what is mention-tech?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mention-tech" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107y
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tantek mention-tech is a service that can send and receive webmentions both via [[Webmention]] and a form on its home page at http://mention-tech.appspot.com/.
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loqi.me created /mention-tech (+179) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448699409117 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kevinmarks mention-tech is an experimental [[webmention]] implementation to explore the protocol as part of the SocialWG discussion.
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kevinmarks oh
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kevinmarks :D
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tantek there's no need to make it socialwg specific
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kevinmarks it doesn't actually send them
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tantek that's incidental
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tantek ah ok
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kevinmarks or at least only to itself
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kevinmarks thoughI suppose it could
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kevinmarks are you nerdsniping me ?
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kevinmarks that is a reasonable extension, yes.
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kevinmarks if a site has more then one rel="webmention" endpoint, what should one do?
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KartikPrabhu first one?
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kevinmarks or send to them all?
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KartikPrabhu have you encountered a site with multipl endpoints?
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kevinmarks not yet, but I'm considering making one
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kevinmarks why not send to both webmention.herokuap.com and my own one?
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KartikPrabhu is there a reason to have them both then?
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kevinmarks redundancy is good (remember, my site is static, and doesn't store the webmentions itself)
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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KartikPrabhu how do you de-dup your received mentions then?
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kevinmarks well, they both store them
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KartikPrabhu and display?
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KartikPrabhu i mean which do you display?
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kevinmarks at the moment, webmention,herokuapp.com displays them very nicely, whereas mine is crap
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kevinmarks though in my defence it's only a few hours old ;)
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KartikPrabhu :)
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KartikPrabhu never thought of this case before. good faq in webmention?
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kevinmarks the other half of this is thinking about converging output in some way
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kevinmarks if webmention.herokuapp.com and webmention.io converge on jf2, I could add that too
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+233) "/* Services */ add mention-tech, alpha sort" (view diff)
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kevinmarks hm, spec says "The webmention endpoint is advertised in the HTTP Link header or a <link> or <a> element with rel="webmention" . If more than one of these is present, the HTTP Link header takes precedence, followed by the <link> element, and finally the <a> element. Clients MUST support all three options and fall back in this order."
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kevinmarks which doesn't address if there is more than one in each
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tantek.com edited /mention-tech (+58) "tweak dfn, see also" (view diff)
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kevinmarks You may have to change that back ;)
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tantek heh - I'll let you do the honors. for now I certainly don't want to exaggerate it.
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voxpelli kevinmarks: I've been thinking of making my WebMention endpoint able to ping a second endpoint for all received pings
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kevinmarks heh
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kevinmarks is implementing that right now
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voxpelli Cool, good make it possible to have two endpoints set up at once so that one can easily move
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kevinmarks well, kind of
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kevinmarks yes, or have them do different things
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voxpelli Yeah, that as well
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tantek.com edited /mention-tech (+41) "displays" (view diff)
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kevinmarks but yes, when migrating you always want to have 2 services up in parallel
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kevinmarks so you can A/B them to be sure that the migration is going to work
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kevinmarks https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/13 captured - do add comments
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kevinmarks so, who sends webmention link in headers?
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@RikMende RT @codebear: Getting a jump on my #IndieWeb 2016 Commitment this year by starting the planning now — https://bear.im/bearlog/2015/329/indieweb-2016-commitment (twitter.com/_/status/670553308734582784)
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@RikMende RT @kevinmarks: new @withknown feature - no-public posts #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/669227932028538880/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/670553352489562112)
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kevinmarks voxpelli: huh? I 02:49:31.511 SendMention calling 'https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/webmention?source=http%3A%2F%2Fmention-tech.appspot.com%2F&target=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com%2F' I 02:49:31.705 SendMention got '400' {"error":true,"message":"You need to specify both a \"source\" and a \"target\" URL"}
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voxpelli kevinmarks: very odd, can you file a bug? I'm not near a computer right now :/
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kevinmarks same everywhere I 02:58:14.208 SendMention calling 'https://kylewm.com/webmention?source=http%3A%2F%2Fmention-tech.appspot.com%2F&target=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2F2015%2F11%2Flet-s-ping-http-mention-tech-appspot-com' I 02:58:14.415 SendMention got '400' webmention missing required source parameter
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kevinmarks I 03:08:15.328 SendMention calling 'http://aaronparecki.com/webmention?source=http%3A%2F%2Fknown.kevinmarks.com%2F2015%2Fsummary-video-of-swat0-notes201507141swat0-details-swat0&target=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fnotes%2F2015%2F07%2F14%2F1%2Fswat0' I 03:08:15.484 SendMention got '400' {"error":"missing source or target parameters"}
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kevinmarks clearly I should go to bed and this will be obvious in the morning
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voxpelli kevinmarks: the query params should be in the body
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kevinmarks ?
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voxpelli A form encoded body rather than query params
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voxpelli In the post request
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kevinmarks oh
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kevinmarks why?
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voxpelli Not sure, but my endpoint only looks for the params in the body
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voxpelli I think that's what the spec says
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kevinmarks meh
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voxpelli Makes sense to support both ways I think
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kevinmarks why not just a POST wiht params?
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kevinmarks I cna see form-encoded for micropub, but webmention doesn't need that
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voxpelli If you POST a HTML form it will be a body
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kevinmarks I am making a URL
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voxpelli So bodies needs to be supported, but query params can just as well be, so I'll add support for that when I get to a computer
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voxpelli (Away at an event for the entire day today)
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kevinmarks switchign to using requests library fixed it, yay
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kevinmarks !tell tantek now it sends webmentions too
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@InramsT Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http://www.inramstechnology.com/piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/670631036221435905/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/670631036221435905)
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petermolnar.eu edited /icon_font (+300) (view diff)
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tantek !spammer InramsT
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Loqi tantek: kevinmarks left you a message 5 hours, 24 minutes ago: now it sends webmentions too http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448713204821
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Loqi Got it! There are now 45 spammers blacklisted
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tantek InramsT-- is a spammer per numerous (12+) repeat (about once a week) posting of the exact same tweet of a link to their site
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Loqi InramsT has -1 karma
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tantek https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Ainramst%20piwik
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tantek kevinmarks++ congrats!
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Loqi kevinmarks has 183 karma
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tantek who was asking about icon sizes, was that you kevinmarks ?
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tantek what is an icon?
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Loqi An icon in the context of the indieweb typically refers to a home page icon for an indieweb site https://indiewebcamp.com/icon
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tantek answers to necessary markup on that page ^^^ kevinmarks. in short, no need for all the different resolutions
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@LukasRosenstock Thoughts from @om about the new #WordPress interface Calypso: http://om.co/2015/11/23/some-thoughts-on-the-new-wordpress-com-and-mac-app/?utm_content=buffer22e2c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Wondering: Will this be a boost for the #indieweb?! (twitter.com/_/status/670663741231493121)
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kevinmarks my apologies to everyone I was sending malforomed webmentions to last night, as I was mixing up the GET and POST form formats.
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@davidmead Test post: Consolidating all my blogs to one Wordpress... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/11/28/test-post/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/670672148642426880)
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davidmead anyone here help with an ownyourgram question? aaronpk?
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tantek what is server-side form processing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "server-side form processing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107z
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tantek server-side form processing is the model by which a web receives a HTML form submission over HTTP, and processes it.
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loqi.me created /server-side_form_processing (+143) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448736243628 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek kevinmarks: ^^^ have at it
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@jgmac1106 @kevinmarks Has been so powerful a tool for teachers. @withknown gives students control of their content and privacy. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/670675975269687296)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+49) "Edinburgh, Brighton, Göteborg, Malmö are all quite regular now" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-12-01-homebrew-website-club (+463) "/* Where */ Look for other locations, see: - and Malmo TBD" (view diff)
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tantek !tell voxpelli Is there a HWC Malmö this coming week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell adactio Is there a HWC Brighton this coming week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell Jeena Is there a HWC Göteborg this coming week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: nope, not this week
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tantek voxpelli: how about the week after? That's the last HWC of the year for Edinburgh btw - if you want to sync-up one more time this year
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voxpelli tantek: not sure, we haven't discussed it, Malmö might be moving back to Wednesday though :)
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tantek oh!
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tantek voxpelli: in that case you have 12-16 and 12-30 to sync-up with!
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tantek hmm - I'm going to cluster the adjacent day meetings - our HWC footer has gotten long!
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davidmead tantek - could you answer a simple, i hope, question about micropub endpoints?
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tantek davidmead - unlikely unless it's already on the wiki and I assume you checked that? /Microbpu
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tantek ok all take a look, I clustered adajcent days with a tight-fitted "&" https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Meetings
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davidmead i did, but i might be mis-understanding
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tantek I think that better communicates the number of "actual" meetings spanning locations
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tantek and a better feel for the number of different weeks that had HWC meetups
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davidmead i’m moving my blogs around and i can’t get how i can point them back
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tantek davidmead: I suppose I'm not sure what you're moving where vs. what you want to point back to where.
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tantek this will likely take someone who has implemented Micropub
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tantek (I myself haven't yet)
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tantek (too much time wiki gardening ;) )
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davidmead ah. i’ll try aaronpk then tantek. as i’ve gor a WP blog now at davidjohnmead.com/blog and all my rel=me links are on a static html page at davidjohnmead.com, quill and ownyourgram are working
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davidmead aren't
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davidmead working
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+7) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ updates for next week" (view diff)
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tantek alright, that should do it for event updates / fixes wiki gardening for a bit!
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tantek davidmead - you likely need your micropub endpoint to be discoverable from davidjohnmead.com
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davidmead could i do that by adding it as a link in the head of the html tantek?
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tantek otherwise how else would quill and ownyourgram know to look for it in the davidjohnmead.com/blog ?
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tantek davidmead: yes!
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tantek davidmead: for example, view source on your very own davidjohnmead.com/blog
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davidmead that’s the bit i wasn’t get from /micropub on the wiki
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tantek really?
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davidmead maybe my brain isn’t with today
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tantek there's no way any code could guess to look inside "/blog" on your site
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tantek if you're just using davidjohnmead.com as your identity etc.
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davidmead in the past i’ve used the profile page of whatever platform I had - WP, Known, etc.
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tantek davidmead: https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Endpoint_Discovery
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davidmead so i didn’t have to connect the two
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tantek very first thing in https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#How_to_implement
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tantek that being said - definitely interested in how we can improve that documentation!
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davidmead i was still thinkning the first page of the blog. duh!
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davidmead its been a long week
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tantek hope you had a happy thanksgiving!
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davidmead and i have snarfed micropub WP plugin installed. Just couldn’t connect the dots in my head
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davidmead thanks very much tantek :-)
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tantek did that fix it?
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davidmead going to try it now
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you create an indie event for the Social Web WG f2f https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-01 and FB Posse copy? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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davidmead apparently it posted, but nothing appears tantek. getting a 301 returned. so i’ll reach out to aaronpk
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tantek or reach out to snarfed - if it posted, it likely went through to the WordPress Micropub plugin
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tantek then the question is what did the plugin do with it
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davidmead true
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davidmead i’ll write it up and post it :-) thanks for the assist tantek
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tantek no problem glad I could at least partially help!
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club (+240) "What Topics" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm I think this would make an interesting discussion point to bring up on Wednesday https://kylewm.com/2015/11/silo-pub-as-a-generic-micropub-to-silo-adapter - I've added it to: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club#Topics
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@davidmead Problem with micropub - Can you help @schnarfed, @aaronpk? http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/11/28/problem-with-micropub/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/670692259847737346)
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aaronpk oh davidmead is gone
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 44 minutes ago: could you create an indie event for the Social Web WG f2f https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-01 and FB Posse copy? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448738157774
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tantek !tell davidmead welcome back! BTW you can use !tell to leave people messages here indieweb related - rather than Twitter if you like! :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk oh I forgot to hashtag that
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/670694307616063489
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@aaronpk @davidmead Your home page is not pointing at the right micropub endpoint, it should include the query string that... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/11/28/1/ (twitter.com/_/status/670694307616063489)
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aaronpk should be an easy fix :)
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aaronpk tantek: done and done https://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/12/01/1/socialwg https://www.facebook.com/events/508237822677764/
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tantek aaronpk thanks!
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tantek yet another good example of the indieweb community actively using the federated social web that we've built!
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tantek we should keep doing that - to remind the world what we have working, in production, on our own sites
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Loqi yea
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@bblfish A long way for #IndieWebCamp to go still: They need to understand basics such as X-Origin https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/10 #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/670698328330473472)
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aaronpk rolls eyes
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aaronpk davidmead: welcome back! did you get my note? should be a quick fix for you
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davidmead aaronpk: i just saw it. thanks. worked like a charm :-)
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aaronpk excellent!
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Loqi davidmead: tantek left you a message 19 minutes ago: welcome back! BTW you can use !tell to leave people messages here indieweb related - rather than Twitter if you like! :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448740884994
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davidmead got a post from quill to show up
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aaronpk great!
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davidmead now i’m going to reconnect ownyourgram and i should be back to normal
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aaronpk hopefully! unless you're one of the unlucky ones that ownyourgram doesn't like anymore
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aaronpk this thing https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/issues/16
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tantek aaronpk - ignore the potshot silo posts for those who can't post on their own site.
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tantek s/for/from
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - ignore the potshot silo posts from those who can't post on their own site.
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davidmead seems to working for me aaronpk
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aaronpk good good
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davidmead but that was the test post. will be adding something new in a mo
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tantek aaronpk: the /Quill UI supports category/tags - do URLs in there work as person-tags?
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aaronpk URLs should be passed through so I guess!
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tantek have you successfully done so?
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davidmead aaronpk: ownyourgram live post worked, but it came through with some odd content too. see http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/11/28/1303/igatirgg/
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aaronpk I don't think I've found an occasion where I've wanted to person-tag someone in a note from Quill yet
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aaronpk davidmead: I think that's the wordpress plugin using the filename of the image as the post title
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davidmead ah. ok. might have to look at a way to change that
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aaronpk ownyourgram doesn't send a post name, since instagram photos don't have names, just captions
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aaronpk so I think that's wordpress trying to make something up to be the name
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tantek aaronpk I tried to do a braindump of explicit features that Quill supports judging from the screenshot - feel free to fix/add! https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill#Features
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davidmead when i was using Known I managed to get that to post the caption as the title and then seperate the hashtags out. i may fiddle around tonight and see what i can break ;-)
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aaronpk cool
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gRegorLove Hahaha wut: https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/10#issuecomment-160013380
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk gRegorLove: lol just ignore that whole repo
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gRegorLove That whole thread is... wow
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gRegorLove Drone strikes against URLs.
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aaronparecki.com edited /Quill (+250) "/* Features */" (view diff)
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aaronpk thanks tantek! added a few more
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tantek are the bookmarklets for posting bookmarks, favorites, reposts via Quill posted somewhere?
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aaronpk they're in Quill
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aaronpk since they contain a token that makes sure you're logged in
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[kevinmarks] switches to using a library
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[kevinmarks] Aaron, look at #13 about multiple webmention endpoints
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[kevinmarks] I made mention-tech both record and send webmentions
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[kevinmarks] and it sends to all endpoints found
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[kevinmarks] I used Quill to post to twitter via silo.pub
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[kevinmarks] To save having another twitter account attached
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[kevinmarks] They must be using xmlns:icbm
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[shaners] Can someone put that toot on a spam list so we stop seeing it in the channel, please? aaronpk etc
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tantek shaners which one?
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aaronpk whoa weird, that was sent in slack a while ago
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aaronpk like...hours ago
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@erikajob8 RT @bblfish: A long way for #IndieWebCamp to go still: They need to understand basics such as X-Origin https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/10 #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/670709275107442688)
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tantek what is X-Origin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-Origin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1080
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tantek hmm - apparently we do have yet to have a page on it!
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tantek.com edited /Quill (+234) "/* Features */ clarify that bookmarklets for bookmark, favorite, repost are all installable from inside Quill once you've signed in" (view diff)
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bear X-Origin isn't a thing and, after reading the issue that the person linked to, I am not surprised that someone with that lack of knowledge would use such an imprecise term
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bear goes back to ignoring the w3c for anything resembling serious conversation
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tantek thanks for that heads-up bear
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bear X-Origin is an incorrect way to reference X-Frame-Options headers to prevent clickjacking, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7034 for details.
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tantek here let's try that again
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tantek what is X-Origin
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bear X-Origin is an incorrect way to reference X-Frame-Options headers to prevent clickjacking, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7034 for details.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-Origin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1081
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loqi.me created /X-Origin (+170) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448748803323 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bear what is clickjacking
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "clickjacking" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1082
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tantek what is X-Frame-Options?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-Frame-Options" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1083
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bear clickjacking is a form of attack that uses multiple layers of links to mask the ultimate target, also known as a "UI redress attack", is when an attacker uses multiple transparent or opaque layers to trick a user into clicking on a button or link on another page when they were intending to click on the the top level page. See https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Clickjacking for details.
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loqi.me created /clickjacking (+412) "prompted by bear https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448748816820 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bear X-Frame-Options is an optional HTTP header that informs the browser what the server's policy is for displaying content in frames. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7034 for details.
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loqi.me created /X-Frame-Options (+209) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-28/line/1448748823882 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bear.im edited /X-Frame-Options (+46) "add some see-alsos" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /X-Origin (+68) "add some see-alsos" (view diff)
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Zegnat Good evening IWC! What is happening on the indie web scene?
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rhiaro I assumed by X-Origin he was shorthanding Cross Origin and was talkinga bout CORS. X-Frame-Options is something different..?
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rhiaro Yay for multiple interpretations
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Loqi giggles
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bear rhiaro ah, that could be - CORS is another animal completely
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bear using X- in HTTP land to mean cross is very misleading, a theme his post had in abundance
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rhiaro Uh huh
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bear what is CORS
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Loqi CORS is an acronym for "cross-origin resource sharing," a mechanism for allowing browsers to make JavaScript requests to fetch resources from other domains https://indiewebcamp.com/CORS
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bear.im edited /X-Frame-Options (+41) "add CORS to see-also" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: since you have a bookmarklets for bookmarklet that fills in a bunch of stuff in Quill from the current page, how much of a stretch would it be for a bookmarklet to *RSVP* to the current page?
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tantek s/bookmarklets for//
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk: since you have a  bookmarklet that fills in a bunch of stuff in Quill from the current page, how much of a stretch would it be for a bookmarklet to *RSVP* to the current page?
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aaronpk pretty easy!
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aaronpk I don't have an RSVP UI yet but that sounds like a pretty simple one
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