#indiewebcamp 2015-12-03

2015-12-03 UTC
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KevinMarks should I use the french version of noterlive tonight
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kylewm mais oui!
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KevinMarks are you coming tonight snarfed ?
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bkardell waves hello everybody
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tantek welcome bkardell
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to the homebrew website club, come demo your websites and ask for help with your site (twitter.com/_/status/672243165332709376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: that last 2 days have been the #SocialWG meeting of the w3c on social web standards (twitter.com/_/status/672243318508638209)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @kylewmahan posted about how https://silo.pub/ can now post to new silos (twitter.com/_/status/672243650617868289)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: tomorrow is San Francisco indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF - come to mozilla tomorrow morning and hack (twitter.com/_/status/672243806717218816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: and we are doing commitments to update our sites by the end of the year, like we did last year (twitter.com/_/status/672243884823564288)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: one thing I am trying to get working is person tagging people in posts on my site so that brid.gy will tag them on FB too (twitter.com/_/status/672244069662400512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I use instagram to post photos which PESOS in via http://ownyourgram.com so I can POSSE back out to facebook (twitter.com/_/status/672244400383217664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: at first I'm going to have to manually person tag them with their personal urls and their fb and twitter urls (twitter.com/_/status/672244554431639552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I will probably start with a manual nicknames cache on my site which has their URLs (twitter.com/_/status/672244745981292544)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: correction: I am not using ownyourgram - I am manually PESOSing from instagram (twitter.com/_/status/672244908049215488)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm at http://aaronparecki.com/ - I'm based in Portland and this is my first Homebrew SF, though I run the portland one (twitter.com/_/status/672245478650716160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: many months ago I decided to rewrite my website from scratch, which is never a good idea (twitter.com/_/status/672245570615013377)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm in progress since April - my 2016 commitment is to finish this website rewrite (twitter.com/_/status/672245724344655873)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: my site supports webmention sending and retrieving, it supports micropub and person tagging (twitter.com/_/status/672245836110278658)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: what I am trying to do is make every feature of my site a service other people can use too (twitter.com/_/status/672245942754656257)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I am switching to use my other site webmention.io for webmentions on my own site. I recently added a webhook for data (twitter.com/_/status/672246175504932865)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: so when webmention.io receives a webmention, I get a well-formed webhook notifying me of the mention (twitter.com/_/status/672246307038343168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: this payload format is jf2 - a simplified json representation of the microformats parsed result (twitter.com/_/status/672246452509347840)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: there is a test suite for webmention.io now that passes. I am using this service for my new site (twitter.com/_/status/672246707644706816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I have infinite scroll without the automation, but a load more link (twitter.com/_/status/672246831980658689)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I hope that these service will be useful for other people too (twitter.com/_/status/672247118480936961)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: part of my new site is a nicknames cache so I can look up people that I mention, but they have their own page (twitter.com/_/status/672247343304044548)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I am getting homepage notifications from brid.gy from Kevin's tweets which are showing up on my screen and watch (twitter.com/_/status/672247486405308418)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: so when webmention.io receives a webmention, I get a well-formed webhook notifying me of the mention (twitter.com/_/status/672247749061033985)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: this payload format is jf2 - a simplified json representation of the microformats parsed result (twitter.com/_/status/672247751619518464)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: there is a test suite for webmention.io now that passes. I am using this service for my new site (twitter.com/_/status/672247752638791680)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I have infinite scroll without the automation, but a load more link (twitter.com/_/status/672247754106736640)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I hope that these service will be useful for other people too (twitter.com/_/status/672247755578974211)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: part of my new site is a nicknames cache so I can look up people that I mention, but they have their ow… (twitter.com/_/status/672247756258484226)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I am expecting to make this a profile discovery service that other people can use as well (twitter.com/_/status/672247860574965760)
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endi KevinMarks a'sploding my twitter feed :p
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KevinMarks it'll happen for the next 30 minutes or so
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KevinMarks sorry endi
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I have a venue on my site so I can say @home as well as the nicknames I use for people (twitter.com/_/status/672248400994279424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm going to be using Quill to post so I will use quill to use the name cache. (twitter.com/_/status/672248684596355072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm trying to not buld things into my site so I end up using these decentralised tools (twitter.com/_/status/672248759879901184)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I am expecting to make this a profile discovery service that other people can use as well (twitter.com/_/status/672249158464589824)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I am expecting to make this a profile discovery service that other people can use as well (twitter.com/_/status/672249160079433728)
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endi KevinMarks: it's no problem; it's fun reading the goings on
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endi I opened Twitter and was wondering if somehow I was stuck in a KevinMarks Timeline :p
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: you can use Quill to post to hosted sites. A week and a half ago I got excited about using it to POSSE to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/672249599189524480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: now I added facebook as well. So it gives me a proxy homepage for facebook so that I can use that with micropub (twitter.com/_/status/672249811878461444)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I have to use the ugly id that facebook gives me because it won't map the human readable name any more (twitter.com/_/status/672249912214556676)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: as https://silo.pub/ already has authorization, I am only doing authentication this time (twitter.com/_/status/672250159368130560)
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endi havea good meeting.. let me know next time there's one in ohio lolol
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: as much as POSSE is our way to federate with silos, you're now using micropub as a federation protocol (twitter.com/_/status/672250864854265857)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @sandhawke: this is not quite federation in the #socialwg way as it is to another account of yours (twitter.com/_/status/672251269126488064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @sandhawke: maybe we need a use case for someone having more than one account on different sites (twitter.com/_/status/672251435443163137)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jesse replied '@kevinmarks @t there's a note on the Facebook page for the event saying tomorrow is over capacity already. Is that not true?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF (https://twitter.com/obra/status/672247956074921984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I could have 'add a micropub endpoint' so it proxies these for you (twitter.com/_/status/672251826188779521)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: Quill could look fro the rel-me links and suggest the https://silo.pub/ proxies (twitter.com/_/status/672251916160794626)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: that could be a fun thing to do tomorrow at indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672252054551834624)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I have to use the ugly id that facebook gives me because it won't map the human readable name any mo… (twitter.com/_/status/672252709496598529)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: as https://silo.pub/ already has authorization, I am only doing authentication this time (twitter.com/_/status/672252711237263360)
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aaronpk `what happened to the facebook.com custom urls?
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kylewm it doesn't give you any way to map a custom URL to a FB app-scoped user ID
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kylewm (because that would defeat the app-scopedness of the IDs)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: My goal for the end of the year is to reimplement the square peg foundation website (twitter.com/_/status/672256430498541568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm also planning to revive my food blog too (twitter.com/_/status/672256574350606337)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I built a webmention endpoint at http://mention-tech.appspot.com that will receive webmentions for any site and verify them (twitter.com/_/status/672256865267523585)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: if the source verifies it looks for a webmention endpoint in the target and sends it on to that site (twitter.com/_/status/672256976487915520)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I ended up doing this because when I showed @t the site he thought hat was what it did, so I followed user testing (twitter.com/_/status/672257126786539520)
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gRegorLove Is Loqi no longer showing webmentions of IWC links?
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Loqi dude
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew website Club on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-12-02.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672261224990568448)
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@kevinmarks @nrrrdcore @wafflejs is tonight? That would have been a good place to pitch #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672270969570877441)
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@AmpersandInterB RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/672306446877351936)
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acegiak GWG: I was planning on updating the kinds layout so that author data is marked up and inside the h-cite?
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acegiak cause at the moment it's just floating outside and not marked up
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acegiak oh wait maybe that's because of my child theme code
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acegiak goes and checks
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@BradenMack @Garossino These companies are v good at monetizing that info. Don't like it? The folks at indieweb can help: https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/672328731160023040)
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@BradenMack @Garossino But there isn't an IndieWeb that gets around the legalized theft of data that is C51 @piratepartyca (twitter.com/_/status/672329431717810178)
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@jkphl @justb3a @webgefrickel Cool, dass ihr im April dabei seid! \o/ :) #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672354422735900672)
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@jkphl @justb3a @webgefrickel Könnt ihr euch bitte auch in die Teilnehmerliste eintragen? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List Bitte melden wenn ich helfen soll (twitter.com/_/status/672354831047245824)
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Jihaisse1 ok, reposting the link : https://libervia.org/blog/salut-a-toi
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petermolnar Jihaisse1 "libervia.org uses an invalid security certificate." as far as I can tell, it's a cacert certificate; I suggest you check https://letsencrypt.org/ and http://indiewebcamp.com/https for now because that messages scares some lesser tech oriented away
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Jihaisse1 petermolnar: it's not mine
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Jihaisse1 I don't have any relation with libervia
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Jihaisse1 just saw it this morning in my reader
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Loqi [bridgy] Bea Dav replied '@jkphl @webgefrickel Machen wir nachher noch, bevor Steffen ans andere Ende der Welt verschwindet.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/justb3a/status/672376090367803392)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@justb3a Andere Ende der Welt? ^^ +@webgefrickel' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/672379716351959040)
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GWG !tell acegiak I see it on mine as well. Not sure how that happened. Will fix as part of the view rewrite this week.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kylewmahan on BART, en route to IndieWebCamp SF! 🎉 (twitter.com/_/status/672430331576737792)
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dariusdunlap heading to indiewebcamp!
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Loqi dariusdunlap: tantek left you a message on 11/29 at 11:59am: could you add yourself to the IWC SF guest list! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Guest_List ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-29/line/1448827138521
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Loqi dariusdunlap: tantek left you a message on 11/29 at 1:26pm: Go get your IndieWebCamp SF ticket from Eventbrite! http://indiewebcamp.eventbrite.com/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-29/line/1448832412033
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tonious_ ~.
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@benwerd Heading into San Francisco for the #IndieWeb Hack Day at @mozilla, with a specific @withknown goal in mind. Also, coffee. (twitter.com/_/status/672439452980011008)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@BillSeitz RT @benwerd: Heading into San Francisco for the #IndieWeb Hack Day at @mozilla, with a specific @withknown goal in mind. Also, coffee. (twitter.com/_/status/672440076794769408)
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ben_thatmustbeme google images ajax API is officially dead
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ben_thatmustbeme {"responseData": null, "responseDetails": "This API is no longer available.", "responseStatus": 403
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ben_thatmustbeme was working a few days ago
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@kevinmarks wondering how to map #indieweb with @swardley's model (twitter.com/_/status/672441163807260672)
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aaronpk Good morning indiewebcamp!
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@kevinmarks @rabble we have an #indiewebcamp at Mozilla today (twitter.com/_/status/672455994786484224)
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benwerd It's very quiet in here. Is it too early to suggest dancersize?
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kylewm benwerd: I was a church camp counselor in a former life, don't tempt me
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@obra On BART to Indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672457439522852865)
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@benwerd Lazyweb #indieweb project: a tool that will allow anyone to subscribe to any site by email, & any site owner to put a button on their site. (twitter.com/_/status/672458108724121600)
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petermolnar neh, forgot to tag my reply to that tweet of benwerd: https://subtome.com/#/store and https://blogtrottr.com/#
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benwerd :)
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petermolnar the first link is safe for work, unlike the name suggests
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benwerd Yeah, I know Subtome very well
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benwerd Hadn't considered the name before. Huh
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@Johannes_Ernst Spending the day at #indiewebcamp San Francisco today. Thanks @mozilla for hosting and breakfast! (twitter.com/_/status/672463381190676480)
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@jgmac1106 Today at the the #lra15 https://t.co/COTh5HxgGM we will show you how @medium works and then have you join our our @withknown site #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672463765808386050)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome everyone to indiewebcamp SF - I'm your host, @kylewmahan is too, and @andigalperin will be here too soon (twitter.com/_/status/672465744500772865)
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bengo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9tournement
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: plays Squarespace's superbowl ad "a better web starts with your website" ending with the Indiewebcamp logo (twitter.com/_/status/672465976349323264)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: myself @aaronpk, @caseorganic and @crystaldbeasley in 2011 started this in Portland to make our own websites (twitter.com/_/status/672466227898490880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're here to hack on our own websites and hope to build something to show off at the end fo today (twitter.com/_/status/672466333641154561)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: if you're curious what to work on, start with your personal website, and what the next important thing you want to do to it (twitter.com/_/status/672466464172072960)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you will find people here have similar itches about their sites, and may already have things for you to use on yours (twitter.com/_/status/672466614785318913)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we do have a code of conduct - if you have issues contact me, kyle or andi http://indiewebcamp.com/code_of_conduct (twitter.com/_/status/672466918306160641)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: next we are going to spend 30 minutes for people to show their own websites, what they have working, and what they want to fix (twitter.com/_/status/672467167200346113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: did we find out who is a deisgner, a developer or whatever? (twitter.com/_/status/672467354417274880)
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@benwerd Getting started with introductions at #indiewebcamp! https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/672467399866638338/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672467399866638338)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I'm tantek, my website is https://t.co/DlvJjhVjFP, I post notes, pictures, I like to run, I like sunrises (twitter.com/_/status/672467498919452672)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I post photos to my website, and then share copies to facebook and twitter using brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/672467594142752768)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: I'm Ryan Barrett, my website is https://snarfed.org/ It's wordpress and does the indieweb stuff. I made brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/672467937693945856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: my raison d'être fro being here is interacting with the silos - brid.gy is the site that sends likes, retweets, etc (twitter.com/_/status/672468129830825984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: granary is a python library that si lower level to let you interatc wiht the silos (twitter.com/_/status/672468224311734276)
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@benwerd An introduction to important #indieweb projects like bridge and silopub by @schnarfed https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/672468308034084865/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672468308034084865)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: https://silo.pub/ is kyles site that lets you publish to the silos and that is important too (twitter.com/_/status/672468342268104706)
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benwerd Damn you autocorrect
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@benwerd https://brid.gy/ is arguably the most vital glue in the #indieweb universe. (twitter.com/_/status/672468596929355776)
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@mjUX RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I post photos to my website, and then share copies to facebook and twitter using brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/672468598879879169)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: stats on brid.gy we have growth in listen, publish and blog webmentions, wiht listen being the biggest (twitter.com/_/status/672468614092611584)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: if you are on blogger, tumblr or wordpress you can use bridgy to post webmention to you as comments (twitter.com/_/status/672468692446392320)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we have sent over 250,000 webmentions to about 850 sites (twitter.com/_/status/672468853536985088)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: users by silo: twitter is at the top, then facebook, the others have lower growth (twitter.com/_/status/672469029332918272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: whats surprising is that google+ is 3rd - who knew? I worked there for 10 years and wouldn't have known that (twitter.com/_/status/672469117643935744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we have multiple CMSs - Known https://withknown.com/ wordpress plugins, hosted wordpress and so on (twitter.com/_/status/672469342177619968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we have POSSE, backfeed, we have readers: woodwind, monocle - mentions, tagging notifications (twitter.com/_/status/672469530438946816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: a lot of great stuff has happened - what should we do next? social graph, recommendations, driving growth (twitter.com/_/status/672469706692009984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: The next big thing we want to work on is using your phone - they have surpassed computers (twitter.com/_/status/672469808923975680)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we can read OK on phones, but posting on your phone is still hard - thats what I'd like to see get built (twitter.com/_/status/672469975198785536)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: I'm curious who's a designer here? 1,2,3,4,5 -we need designers to pair wiht deveolpers to make great things (twitter.com/_/status/672470194154037248)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: my site is http://andigalpern.com - I am going to work on creating content for my blog so I can post on my site (twitter.com/_/status/672470349104209920)
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@Shoq RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: my site is http://andigalpern.com - I am going to work on creating content for my blog so I can po… (twitter.com/_/status/672470461817757697)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: my site isn't display how I want ti, and I know I have work to do on it today (twitter.com/_/status/672470477743497216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: my site is https://kylewm.com - it has notes, some longer replies - you can see the context I am replying to (twitter.com/_/status/672470876022038528)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: it will also show replies below the post as well (twitter.com/_/status/672470923296022528)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: if you go to https://kylewm.com/new you can see my posting interface (twitter.com/_/status/672471083463909376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I can person-tag people bases on a nickname cache on my site that autocompletes (twitter.com/_/status/672471199369310208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Hi I'm ben, my site is werd.io - I originally built this for myself and that is now https://withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/672471540366184450)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I can post lots of kinds of post and share them out to twitter and other sites (twitter.com/_/status/672471663586447361)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: my site is https://kylewm.com - it has notes, some longer replies - you can see the context I a… (twitter.com/_/status/672471816296906753)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: my site is https://kylewm.com - it has notes, some longer replies - you can see the context I a… (twitter.com/_/status/672471818352111616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: here's a question I asked about mince pies and lots of people replied, including @kevinmarks http://werd.io/2015/wheres-the-best-place-to-find-mince-pies-in-the (twitter.com/_/status/672472038599168000)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I can reply to kevin, and it shows on both our sites, and I can also reply to tweets on my site and share the replies (twitter.com/_/status/672472164247986176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we're doing this on campuses with https://withknown.com/ and let students see posts campus wide (twitter.com/_/status/672472293520601088)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bradley Allen: my site is http://bradleyallen.info - I am designer dishwasher by training, I took a few years off to roast coffee (twitter.com/_/status/672472666801102853)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I'm very interested in making it easy for a broader audience fo this stuff, so I have a UBOS linux install (twitter.com/_/status/672473048335912961)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I can set up a ubos linux container and add Known to it easily, and easily add mediagoblin (twitter.com/_/status/672473203848138752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: networking setup for servers tends to be really complicated; this sets it up easy and quickly with firewall, dns (twitter.com/_/status/672473333762555905)
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@jedahan I wonder if @withknown acts as an IndieAuth provider ... (twitter.com/_/status/672473362044731392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I'm ben, my site is bengo.is - I work at livefyre that does realtime comments (twitter.com/_/status/672473521113735168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: my site is really simple; my notes are statically served - I added questions (twitter.com/_/status/672473661635493888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: my posting interface is creating files in this notes directory on github, and then they get posted (twitter.com/_/status/672473814694010886)
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@benwerd Always really inspiring to see what people are doing on their own sites at #indiewebcamp. From static HTML to frameworks with mobile apps. (twitter.com/_/status/672473849817006080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I'm goign to work on a webmention library for my site, then if you need help coding ask me (twitter.com/_/status/672473911817281536)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm Aaron Parecki my current site is http://aaronparecki.com/ - I've been rebuilding it from the ground up (twitter.com/_/status/672474139689635840)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: it looks OK, but underneath it is a mess, it does a ton of stuff like what I eat and bikerides (twitter.com/_/status/672474249861427200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I'm splitting out my site into separate services - https://quill.p3k.io/ is a posting interface (twitter.com/_/status/672474395315707909)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: https://teacup.p3k.io/ is for logging food and drink on my site (twitter.com/_/status/672474485124161537)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: https://indieauth.com/ is a project of mine - you use it to sign into the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/672474612626808836)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: webmention.io is my tool for receiving webmention on your behalf and embedding them in your site (twitter.com/_/status/672474704058458113)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: indiewebify.me is a guide to getting on the indieweb and helps you check your site is working OK (twitter.com/_/status/672474802733600768)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: my website is in testing - I'm trying to make it better my goal is that this site just displays posts- other tools post (twitter.com/_/status/672475149065695237)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @K80CON40: I'm Katie, I'm a deisgner. I moved to the bay area 2 yeras ago and built http://katieconforti.com then when I came here (twitter.com/_/status/672475511998783488)
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@benwerd Fun to see "My URL is" T-shirts in the wild @aaronpk @t ;) #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/672475524510322688/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672475524510322688)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @K80CON40: I want to redo everything as my site is focused on print and I do much mroe coding now (twitter.com/_/status/672475632526323713)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Bryn: I'm Bryn, my site is http://loveiswhoweare.com/ I do lots of things including singing opera but I want to learn this too (twitter.com/_/status/672476299013824512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @obra: I'm jesse, and I was likely the first person to run known apart from ben and erin (twitter.com/_/status/672476435085443072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @obra: I imported all my old blogspots into a new known instance from wordpress and livejournal, (twitter.com/_/status/672476538378575872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @obra: the importer doesn't bring in comments, so I might work on that (twitter.com/_/status/672476597933469697)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Judith Mayer: I'm Judith Mayer, and this is my site (blank screen) (twitter.com/_/status/672476835297497089)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Judith Mayer: There has been a ruling to allow people to work on sites with congressional staff (twitter.com/_/status/672476977434095616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Judith Mayer: I want to set up a site for hack for congress so people can know what data is being used by congressional staff (twitter.com/_/status/672477099911966720)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Judith Mayer: I'm a non-technical person who wins hackathons (twitter.com/_/status/672477198356488192)
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@obra Listening to #indieweb demos at IndieWebCamp SF. Trying to decide what to work on today. (twitter.com/_/status/672477315402625024)
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gregorian "I'm a non-technical person who wins hackathons" -- Is a great line
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Lacey: I'm Lacey, I'm a ux designer, I have a site on squarespace which is not woth showing, and I can write sloppy js for you (twitter.com/_/status/672477455521828864)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Lacey: I am good at validating ideas and testing them (twitter.com/_/status/672477544734699520)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Danny: I'm Danny, a sociologist by training, and writing on distinguishing marketing and management encroachment in open source (twitter.com/_/status/672477739727921157)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Danny: I am a designer who has worked on print stuff, I have a site at http://peakagency.co which is basic wp (twitter.com/_/status/672477933928390656)
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rhiaro Well, his url makes me want toast.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Sean: I have had a personal site sine 2000ish but i have let it languish a bit (twitter.com/_/status/672478226887942144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Sean: I would like to post my physical notebook pages on a page (twitter.com/_/status/672478347172163587)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Sean: I post a lot of things on instagram and brign them in via tumblr (twitter.com/_/status/672478419670683648)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: Hi, I'm Kevin; my site is https://t.co/eJ1D0dSIfH. I also use http://known.kevinmarks.com for shorter notes. (twitter.com/_/status/672478689104281601)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: I use @kylewmahan's excellent Woodwind reader to post. http://reader.kylewm.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/672478870205894657)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: I post from Woodwind to reply to Ben's post; the reply shows up on my site, and on Ben's using webmention. (twitter.com/_/status/672479090402693121)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: demoing http://reader.kylewm.com and known (twitter.com/_/status/672479225836904448)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: I've built my own tool, https://t.co/fTMnREAObI, for live-tweeting. [I'm live-tweeting Kevin because he's demoing.] (twitter.com/_/status/672479297110564864)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: NoterLive is a tool you can use, too, if live-tweeting events appeals to you. (twitter.com/_/status/672479479382458368)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: I've also created hovercards that provide a preview for any indie website. It's a small JavaScript library. (twitter.com/_/status/672479658676383745)
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@benwerd #indieweb @kevinmarks: If a site doesn't provide microformats markup, hovercards just show a small preview of the site. (twitter.com/_/status/672479892244598784)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @sandhawke: I had a personal site but I gave up in 1997 or so - I work at teh w3c on the social web workiing group (twitter.com/_/status/672480131450085376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Gregorian: I have a personal site, but it's not up right now - I also work with an art centre and would like to improve their site (twitter.com/_/status/672480357271388160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I'm amy, my website is broken because apparently december is an edge case in my paging (twitter.com/_/status/672480491166179328)
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@benwerd Tempting to just sit and make mince pies today. #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672480631226413056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I post all kinds of things on my site, notes, tweets, likes and bookmarks, reposts (twitter.com/_/status/672480672020320256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I alos post whenever I follow someone on twitter or an indie site (twitter.com/_/status/672480722402324481)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I receive webmentions through webmention.io, and get twitter oens through brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/672480806481354752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: what i want to do today is build my own webmention receiving (twitter.com/_/status/672480865168007168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rhiaro: I want to add features and I want the experience of building it myself (twitter.com/_/status/672480979144019970)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have 4 session slots, we have clusters of tables for people to collaborate on (twitter.com/_/status/672481075839574016)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: propose hack session, what people want to learn about, or what they want to teach (twitter.com/_/status/672481142143066112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: put your session, and your name on a stickie and post ti on the board (twitter.com/_/status/672481237676785664)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @sandhawke: I had a personal site but I gave up in 1997 or so - I work at teh w3c on the social web workiing group (twitter.com/_/status/672481424767873024)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I am happy to lead a session on intro to the indieweb, getting set up from nothing - do it on your sites now (twitter.com/_/status/672481708462182400)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: aaron showed briefly the indiewebify.me site - I would love to work on making this better with product and ux people (twitter.com/_/status/672481939098595328)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I've been inspired by the work that kyle and ryan have done with person tagging (twitter.com/_/status/672482380075171841)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I still post on instagram and manually post to my site. i want to add person tagging to my posts (twitter.com/_/status/672482473624903680)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: I'ma designer but I also give talks on UK - I want to give you the recipe for celan easy to read beautiful websites (twitter.com/_/status/672482788717801476)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: it all comes down to science - there is a way to make your site readable - designing for everybody (twitter.com/_/status/672482909266321409)
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@benwerd I'll say it again: my mom was a business analyst. She wrote a text editor in assembler. Stop using moms as "non-tech-savvy". #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672483157074022401)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: aaron showed briefly the indiewebify.me site - I would love to work on making this better with produ… (twitter.com/_/status/672483196089540608)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @sandhawke: to revive my personal site I would like to do wikipedia infor boxes where people can update each otehrs sites (twitter.com/_/status/672483202536226820)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we need to work better on phones - we need to do better, and do an offline first app that works when we connect (twitter.com/_/status/672483354336485376)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: we want to sue silos as plumbing - http://ownyourgram.com is an example (twitter.com/_/status/672483680292589568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Danny: I want a session on POSSE - I can't lead this session but I want to learn and explain it (twitter.com/_/status/672483798504853505)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: Ben and Erin and I are trying to make a business of this - I'd like to talk about how we market this too (twitter.com/_/status/672484024749793280)
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@kimmy98us RT https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/672483680292589568 #indieweb schnarfed: we want to sue silos as plumbing - http://ownyourgram.com is an example (twitter.com/_/status/672484539567067136)
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@jmayersf I'm running with the big dogs #indiewebcamp. Amazing and scary-smart developers/designers pioneering the indie web for the rest of us. (twitter.com/_/status/672485038718513152)
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ben_thatmustbeme its just a hack day today right?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, no i see stuff on sessions
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aaronpk they're hacking sessions in theory
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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@gregorymwhite31 RT https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/672483680292589568 #indieweb schnarfed: we want to sue silos as plumbing - http://ownyourgram.com is an example (twitter.com/_/status/672485891546435585)
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aaronpk oops well that was a typo ^^
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kylewm lol
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aaronpk "we want to *use* silos as plumbing"
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ben_thatmustbeme heh
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KevinMarks_ hah
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kylewm freudian typo
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@andigalpern Hello #indieweb! (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf in San Francisco, CA w/ @aaronpk @benwerd) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/0D0wXRRiwDG (twitter.com/_/status/672487013275299840)
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ben_thatmustbeme freudian finger slip
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-18) "use IRC page as bouncing off spot" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme hi benwerd
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benwerd howdy!
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ben_thatmustbeme you at IWC today?
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gRegorLove Happy IWC today, SF. Build all the things!
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@kevinmarks Notes from the Indiewebcamp SF morning introduction session on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsf2015am.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672489044937281536)
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro: as I made a webmention endpoint last week, you're very welcome to use it if it's helpful, https://github.com/kevinmarks/mentiontech
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tantek good morning #Indiewebcamp!
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wholewheattoast hello tantek. #persontags
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benwerd ben_thatmustbeme - yep
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benwerd Working on migration
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tantek persontags!!!
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tantek let's start here: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag
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wholewheattoast Is there a validator for microformats?
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KevinMarks_ indiewebify.me does some of that wholewheattoast
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KevinMarks_ also unmung.com will parse them to json for you
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wholewheattoast.com%2F&html=&pretty=on
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wholewheattoast ty
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wavis how many indiewebbers are marginally familiar with netcat or socat?
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@benwerd So awesome. @obra has been importing old posts - important memories - into his @withknown site. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/672491334595293184/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672491334595293184)
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@ImageSnippets @ImageSnippets is an interface, not a silo. For people to add exactly the data they want to their images before they publish. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672491520243736577)
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@kevinmarks Correction: @schnarfed said we want *use* silos as plumbing - like http://ownyourgram.com (no lawsuits) https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/672483680292589568 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/672491633384882176)
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wholewheattoast wavis https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag
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j12t wavis: marginally, yes.
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@erinjo In which I sit down at IndieWebCamp to update my site, and the host goes. Step 1 to having your own site: Get a web host that doesn't suck. (twitter.com/_/status/672494235262693376)
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@tinokremer RT @benwerd: #indieweb @kevinmarks: I post from Woodwind to reply to Ben's post; the reply shows up on my site, and on Ben's using webmenti… (twitter.com/_/status/672494997002977280)
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@benwerd Sadness all round as it emerges that @Mozilla's wifi blocks @erinjo's personal website. #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672495072189943808)
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tantek persontag: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#in_content_vs_separate_UI
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@tinokremer RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: Hi I'm ben, my site is werd.io - I originally built this for myself and that is now https://t.co/hHMeCt… (twitter.com/_/status/672496556537462784)
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@andigalpern RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: it all comes down to science - there is a way to make your site readable - designing for everybody (twitter.com/_/status/672497796709089280)
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KevinMarks_ hm aaronpk " plus.google.com/+KevinMarks No rel=me link was found on https://plus.google.com/+KevinMarks to http://kevinmarks.com/"
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KevinMarks_ I thouhgt we found one yesterday
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wavis j12t: I thought you might be the one person
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@energyovertime I'm hanging out at #indiewebcamp enhancing my tags http://bradleyallen.info (twitter.com/_/status/672498908619104256)
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: the new main google profile URL doesn't inclue the link anymore, only the alternate /about URL does
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KevinMarks_ when I did curl -O https://plus.google.com/+KevinMarks I got it
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KevinMarks_ are you impersonating a browser?
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wholewheattoast tantek if we are not using some kind of plugin, how can we test posting and ingestion?
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KevinMarks_ http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2BKevinMarks&html=&pretty=on
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KevinMarks_ has the rel-me's in
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Loqi Lets Encrypt public beta : https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/12/public-beta-timing.html
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Loqi Countdown set by [shaners] on 11/12/15 at 11:39am
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gRegorLove The Pestagram feed has been bumping up some older photos for some reason
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gRegorLove Or maybe Woodwind has, not sure.
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gRegorLove Tantek's jet picture, for example is top of my Woodwind now: http://www.pestagram.com/user/2975244
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wholewheattoast Tantek, the example reads/looks ok.
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@wavis Seems #indieweb may need an index. Just posted a session at 13:00 for gathering potential reqs for an Indie Index, perhaps an Indie Crawl. (twitter.com/_/status/672502796017516544)
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gRegorLove wavis: Index of sites? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people is a good place to start.
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wavis gRegorLove: yeah, that would be the list of seeds for a crawl to generate the index
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gRegorLove You should add yourself there, btw. Then you can have a photo by your nick in the IRC logs
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kylewm wavis: also see https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/lists/indiewebcamp (built from the irc-people)
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gRegorLove (and a link to your site)
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wavis tantek said yahoo used to support searching microformat structure, doesn't since deal with bing. an index isn't just for people, but would support structured queries into all published structured data
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@dariusdunlap https://darius.dunlaps.net/2015/12/03/auditing-indieweb-implementation-on-this-site/ (twitter.com/_/status/672504570409455616)
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wavis would it be useful when writing indieweb software to be able to query a list of the author's acquaintances at run time? calendar items? etc etc
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rhiaro Schedule's up https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Schedule#Thursday_December_3_2015
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rhiaro wavis: could you add your new session?
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wavis rhiaro: done
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rhiaro wavis++
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jkphl indieweb folks at SF right now, have lots of fun! wish i could be there
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kylewm thanks jkphl!
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jkphl currently preparing the next IWC in germany next year. if you're around europe in april, i ask you to check http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg. i'm still searching for people willing to help organizing and stuff :)
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GWG Everyone having fun at IWC?
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wavis.org created /User:Wavis.org (+423) "Created page with "Travis Wellman ([http://wavis.org/ wavis.org]) is mostly interested in distributed application platforms. IE, being able to distribute an app (or binary, or source code) and run ..."" (view diff)
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jkphl ... and some participants of course ;)
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www.wholewheattoast.com edited /IRC_People (+3) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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GWG Still hoping for NYC again in the future
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tantek GWG - everytime you have that thought - email Jeremy Zilar and ask him about how venue options are looking!
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tantek hope -> action
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GWG That is what the little Tantek on my shoulder says
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@nodenpm webmention (0.0.0): https://www.npmjs.com/package/webmention Command line interface for https://t.co/mksU1UKhmP. Also probably useful as a nod... (twitter.com/_/status/672511147149565953)
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tantek :)
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GWG Anyone know where Jeremy is working now?
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wavis PasswdSafe (PasswdSafe (Port of PasswordSafe password manager) - https://f-droid.org/app/com.jefftharris.passwdsafe) BWolf
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bengo Bradley forked bengo-web and now he posted his first note! http://bradleyallen.info/notes/
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jkphl GWG what do you mean with "working now"? In any case, it's Brighton UK :)
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bengo Also https://github.com/gobengo/webmention
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GWG Jeremy Zilar.
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GWG It was in response to Tantek
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jkphl GWG ah, sorry then
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GWG Maybe we need a thatmustbe.us domain to reconcile
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wholewheattoast Anyone have a prefered methof to add webmentions to Jekyll.
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kevinmarks.com edited /rsvp (+1096) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ wavis: Servcie Workers is what they are called - here' s adactio's post about them https://adactio.com/journal/9775
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KevinMarks_ !tell tantek, snarfed here's the rsvp tickets barianstorm https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#Capacity_and_Ticketing
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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www.wholewheattoast.com edited /Jekyll (+131) (view diff)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/konklone/status/672522596668305408
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@konklone NICE! Dreamhost is adding support for Let's Encrypt certificates for all of their customers: https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/2015/12/03/lets-encrypt-and-dreamhost/ [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/672522596668305408)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+84) (view diff)
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aaronpk well that's awesome
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wavis.org edited /IRC_People (+43) "added wavis" (view diff)
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gRegorLove "DreamHost users will soon be able to generate and enable Let’s Encrypt certificates directly within their control panel. Who knows — now that certificates are free, we may even enable HTTPS for all new customers by default!"
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cleverdevil- :)
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cleverdevil we've got more up our sleeves with LetsEncrypt... maybe... ;)
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cleverdevil but, glad to see the general excitement.
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singpolyma I'm still using free certs from startssl for most things, but letsencrypt is pretty cool
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aaronpk yeah i'm still on startssl but am excited for automating everything with letsencrypt
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aaronpk tho I did just get the ability to make wildcard certs on startssl which makes deploying them easier too
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wavis KevinMarks_: Service Workers look awesome. maybe it's finally time to muscle through my gag reflex and start writing javascript. Elm may make it more palatable.
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singpolyma aaronpk: you can get wildcards for free with startssl?
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snarfed ooh wavis totally! maybe we could convince you to learn them as part of helping build https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone :P
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Loqi snarfed: KevinMarks_ left you a message 48 minutes ago: here's the rsvp tickets barianstorm https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#Capacity_and_Ticketing http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449176866648
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snarfed we could talk about it more during the phone app session at 3pm
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snarfed thanks KevinMarks! i've revised and added the no-ticket case. it also overlaps with https://indiewebcamp.com/event#How_to_limit_capacity
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snarfed startssl++
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snarfed letsencrypt++
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Loqi startssl has -1 karma
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Loqi letsencrypt has 3 karma
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snarfed aww
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (-92) "update simple how to show how simple example is marked up" (view diff)
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@benwerd Mince pie filling: achieved. #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/672538559723646977)
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kevinmarks.com edited /person-tag (+229) "/* Kevin Marks */" (view diff)
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@AwesomeAlbumArt .@indiewebcamp has us writing again. This one is about @jamie___xx's "In Colour." http://awesomealbumartwork.tumblr.com/post/134483192222/jamie-xx-in-colour https://twitter.com/AwesomeAlbumArt/status/672539410227859456/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672539410227859456)
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tantek snarfed, WordPress theme in question was "oriental", and I filed an issue with that, and noted details of preferred Publish behavior with a real world example: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/563
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 1 hour, 17 minutes ago: here's the rsvp tickets barianstorm https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#Capacity_and_Ticketing http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449176866648
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tantek KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 186 karma
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbe: do I recall correctly that you wrote a mf2 json -> jf2 converter? (cc aaronpk)
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aaronpk that was ben_thatmustbeme
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rhiaro I thought it was him, but just in case he's not around, do you know where it is?
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rhiaro I'm not even sure if I remember if it was a web service or not
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rhiaro Note: I did check the wiki first :)
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BWolf hello
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BWolf what is "known"?
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aaronpk so close
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aaronpk what is Known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indiewebcamp.com/Known
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ perhaps Loqi should strip quotes from that pattern? It's normal to quote things that have "normal" meetings.
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tantek s/meetings/meanings
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk ^^^ perhaps Loqi should strip quotes from that pattern? It's normal to quote things that have "normal" meanings.
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aaronpk rhiaro: i think it's here: https://github.com/dissolve/socialstream
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rhiaro thanks!
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BWolf who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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rhiaro Why is Loqi?
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Loqi is done
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rhiaro hopes she didn't just trigger loqi existential crisis
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BWolf Is Loqi mad?
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tantek gives Loqi a reason to keep going.
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Loqi laughs at the reason to keep going.
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Zegnat We are so close to singularity, better not upset Loqi
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tantek gives Loqi a pat on the head.
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Loqi grabs the pat on the head.
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BWolf gives Loqi cake and crumpets.
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BWolf gives Loqi a cake and some crumpets.
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Loqi peers at the cake and some crumpets.
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rhiaro Aha! aaronpk http://stream.thatmustbe.us/
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aaronpk aha!
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wholewheattoast what is posse
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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BWolf What is SiloPub
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Loqi silo.pub is a Micropub endpoint for hosted blogs like Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, and Twitter https://indiewebcamp.com/silopub
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@jgmac1106 @kevinmarks @benwerd I will use it at an #lra15 session tonight. I think h-cards are my last step in #indieweb for me (twitter.com/_/status/672544512078581761)
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BWolf What is a Micropub
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Loqi Micropub is an open API standard that is used to create posts on one's own domain using third-party clients https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub
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BWolf what is open API?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "open API" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108H
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BWolf No
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BWolf Loqi, why don't you have all the answers?
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tantek An open API is an API provided by a service that is at least somewhat open, like developers can use it perhaps after agreeing to a ToS, without needing a bizdev agreement.
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loqi.me created /open_API (+195) "prompted by BWolf https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449182098157 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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@jgmac1106 lra15 wiobyrne: We need to open up publishing by connecting to the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/672545018373099521)
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KevinMarks_ rhiaro: also cwebber's tool will make jf2
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BWolf What is open API?
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Loqi open API is an API provided by a service that is at least somewhat open, like developers can use it perhaps after agreeing to a ToS, without needing a bizdev agreement https://indiewebcamp.com/open_API
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: I need a web service or PHP right now
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rhiaro All over cwebber's stuff when I make my next python site, but unfortunately that's not yet
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rhiaro Also cwebber's tool will make jf2 from AS2, but I need it from mf2
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rhiaro Until someone makes a direct html+mf2 -> jf2 parser
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tantek what is anthropomorphize?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "anthropomorphize" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108J
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rhiaro OH MY GOD my rdf library already parses microformats
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rhiaro who knew
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BWolf Anthropomorphize is a word describing the human tendency to make non-human entities or characters have human-like features or cultural qualities.
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loqi.me created /Anthropomorphize (+172) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-03/line/1449182309034 and dfn added by BWolf" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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rhiaro Never mind, it's mf1
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tantek what is anthropomorphize?
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Loqi Anthropomorphize is a word describing the human tendency to make non-human entities or characters have human-like features or cultural qualities https://indiewebcamp.com/Anthropomorphize
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@jgmac1106 Yipeee!! #indieweb https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/672546320549154816/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672546320549154816)
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tantek GWG: checking out the WordPress plugins - there's definitely some confusion there
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tantek in particular a lot of "why?" in response to the documents/prompts
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tantek e.g. "why is semantic linkbacks required?"
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tantek and "why is ... recommended?" (the long list of plugins that showup as recommended after you install the IndieWeb plugin)
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KevinMarks_ does aaronpk have mf2 to jf2 in php? or was he making jf2 directly?
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tantek !tell GWG is there a good WordPress plugin to enable you to use your own site as an IndieAuth domain to sign into the wiki?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: i'm building the jf2 response directly in Ruby for webmention.io
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KevinMarks_ ah, OK
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KevinMarks_ http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=kevinmarks.com&op=mf2-jf2 seems to mung my URLs
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@jgmac1106 Something is wrong with my microformats. Not sure why my url doubles up like that: twitter profile? #indieweb https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/672549438116651009/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/672549438116651009)
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gRegorLove tantek: A couple options for enabling IndieAuth sign-in are here: https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress/Plugins#IndieAuth
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BWolf What is rel=me
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Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me
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BWolf How do you use rel=me?
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gRegorLove BWolf: https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me#How
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KevinMarks_ from what point of view, BWolf ?
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KevinMarks_ yay jf2 http://mention-tech.appspot.com/listmentions?target=kevinmarks.com&json=on
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KevinMarks_ http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmention-tech.appspot.com%2Flistmentions%3Ftarget%3Dkevinmarks.com%26json%3Don&op=jf2-mf2
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KevinMarks_ !tell ben_thatmustbeme http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=kevinmarks.com&op=mf2-jf2 seems to mung my URLs - they all come out as "url": "http://www.kevinmarks.comkevinmarks.com",
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Loqi not showing wiki edits, or are they batched?
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Loqi i'm pretty sure they are batched
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gRegorLove Haha
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tantek wow
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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KevinMarks_ !tell ben_thatmustbeme ah it works with http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=http://kevinmarks.com&op=mf2-jf2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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BWolf slowly installing plugins to make this indieauth thing work
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gRegorLove Hey, KartikPrabhu. What are you working on these days?
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KartikPrabhu nothing indieweb unfortunately. busy with actual work :)
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sandro https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/
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rhiaro aaronpk: Maybe this is a dumb question. Whhhyyy does the webmention spec say the URL of the mention must be returned in the body, not the Location header?
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aaronpk I thought it said MUST in the location header and MAY in the body
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rhiaro nope, just SHOULD in body
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rhiaro Nothing about location header
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aaronpk no way
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aaronpk well not everyone returns URLs for mentions, so right now it's a SHOULD in general
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rhiaro "The webmention endpoint will validate and process the request, and return an HTTP status code. Most often, 202 Accepted will be returned, indicating that the request is queued and being processed asynchronously to prevent DoS attacks. The response body SHOULD include a URL that can be used to monitor the status of the request."
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rhiaro Sorta vague in general, actually
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aaronpk ah it's here http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention-brainstorming#Asynchronous_status_polling
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aaronpk because it was on brainstorming
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rhiaro Aha
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aaronpk because there was an alternate proposal to include a webhook URL where the endpoijnt can notify it with the result http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention-brainstorming#Asynchronous_status_notification
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aaronpk tho I don't know of any implementations of that
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rhiaro Shall I file an issue?
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gRegorLove Is the webmention endpoint not supposed to return HTML then? Or if it does, should the status URL be marked up with mf2 so it can be extracted?
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gRegorLove I don't return a status URL (yet), but wondering how it can be parsed since I return HTML currently
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rhiaro I imagine since in responding to a POST it's returning content to a script not a human, so html not much good?
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KevinMarks_ no, POST can return html to a human if the source was a form
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aaronpk except for all the webmention forms on peoples websites
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gRegorLove I haven't revisited my responses in a while, but I thought I copied the HTML response from other endpoints
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aaronpk i think the Link header is probably the best way to return the status URL
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KevinMarks_ if you fill in http://mention-tech.appspot.com you get the POST result
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aaronpk (for computer parsing)
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KevinMarks_ which is kinda crap
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KevinMarks_ also I don't have status URLs'
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aaronpk also I don't know of any implementation that programmatically consumes the status URLs yet
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aaronpk so far it's been most useful for human debugging
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gRegorLove Yeah, I might be getting ahead of myself
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rhiaro fair enough
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aaronpk but yes i'd like to clarify that part anyway
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rhiaro uh yeah forms
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rhiaro filing an issue
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aaronpk my vote is status URL is returned in the Link header (drop the mention of it in the body of the response)
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rhiaro aaronpk: happy thursday https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/23
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gRegorLove +1 vote (from a not-yet-implementor :)
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aaronpk and make sure that the status URL is optional
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rhiaro I just said location header in the issue, but whatevers
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snarfed prep reading for the PHONE APP session in 5m (for wavis): https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone
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rhiaro aaronpk: does Link need a rel?
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aaronpk yes
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rhiaro what should the rel be?
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aaronpk is about to posse via silo.pub
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aaronpk I don't know, I think I return rel=status right now
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aaronpk is that even a thing?
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loveiswhoweare.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (+73) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+419) "example with social media icons" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ is writing mf2tojf2 now o_O
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rhiaro aaronpk: I can roll with it
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rhiaro I'm sure the wg can make suggestions :)
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rhiaro oh, handy KevinMarks_, if you get that done within the next couple of hours I'll use it :)
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KevinMarks_ in python tho'
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: web service?
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KevinMarks_ is nerdsniped
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rhiaro \o/
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KevinMarks_ now I'm goign th have to write test
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loveiswhoweare.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (+1) (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ thanks Amy for making me do TDD on this
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aaronpk kylewm: I think I just got a 500 server error from silo.pub
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kylewm aaronpk: Invalid crypto padding
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk oh am i sending a bad access token?
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kylewm hmm, its a jwt token
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kylewm had a problem decoding it i guess?
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aaronpk oh my database might be capping it at 255 chars
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aaronpk yup
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kylewm i don't really like those crazy long tokens :/
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aaronpk nobody said you *had* to use self-encoded tokens
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aaronpk woohoo! posted a tweet!
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kylewm aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 17 karma
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