tantekjust got confirmation that we have a hard limit in the space of max capacity for the Community Space of 44 - so I'd rather stay with a max capacity in the wiki Guest_List of 40
dhalgrenGWG: I'm pretty sure this attempt of mine is a dead-end.I'll ask support via mail tomorrow to be sure, but doesn't seem I can upload anything to wp-content/plugins using this default host free domains in my country get. Guess it makes sense not to allow random php code to get executed... are there WP hosts that would allow this, or should I just install WP myself on say heroku or such?
dhalgrenlittle; there's some FAQ and getting started videos, but not much beyond logging in to the admin interface. I'll send a mail though, to confirm.
snarfedif you're hoping for free, you could use blogger, wordpress.com, or tumblr. the wiki has details on how to use your own domain and set up indieauth, and you can send/receive webmentions with https://brid.gy/about#blogs
dhalgrenso, I'm gonna try and convince my country's free blogging service to allow indieweb compatibility for the hosted blogs. Fat chance I think, but at least to make them aware of it..
dhalgrencweiske: apparently. http://from.hr guides one through setting it up. Free personal domain and optionally wp hosting. Can't use any plugins sadly, nor do I have ftp to upload anything (sensible security precaution prob) so that makes it unusable for IndieWeb, but looking into it
dhalgrendon't think its used much (poor visibility), but noticed the option when I was digging through their docs&rules, since a company I worked at was arguing with them about allowing a certain domainname
dhalgren`anyone here using WP? I'm wondering if this is a sensible core list to ask support for? I see there's more but I don't wanna scare them off by asking for too much: IndieWeb plugin, Sempress theme, Webmention plugin, Semantic Linkback plugin, Post Kinds plugin?
dhalgren`what's the relationship of IndieWeb w w3c's Social Web WG? I saw there's some participation in it, but the protocols being discussed look quite different (uf2 vs RDF-based)? Is there hope of future convergence or are expectations it birthing something practical low?
dhalgren`thx, y I was drawing the ideas from there. but there's a lot more of them mentioned there, I have a feeling too much to suggest to a potentially unwilling admin, so maybe a bit of input from someone already using some of them would help
petermolnarwhat do you mean by support? I don't know what GWG and pfefferle are doing for a living, but if it's a paid support, the chances to get it would be much higher I believe
dhalgren`nono; I'm trying to convince a certain national blogging service to include the option of enabling some core IndieWeb plugins. Long shot, but thought it worth a trying.
petermolnarso the workflow in my opinion: get webmentions, semantic linkbacks, the sempress theme and bridgy publish whitelisted and you're more or less good to go as indieweb-compatible
petermolnarsorry, I was away; dhalgren` buddypress is a "social network" plugin; basically adds frontend user options, like walls, private messages, etc; slow as hell, but robust, impossible to theme
dhalgren`another q, if I may without being too much of a nag, petermolnar: is this a fair characterisation of the different components: for sempress theme, I state that it gives support for uf2 markup, for webmention that its a newer linkback protocol modelled after pingback, for semantic linkback that it turns linkback notifications into replies, likes etc by reading their uf2 markup, and for bridgy that it pulls reactions on the shared conte
damjan-novak.from.hredited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+147) "/* Syndicate your content to other sites */ embedding a short (attempt at?) description of bridgy, so a newcomer might grasp the point of it w/o chasing links to long articles elsewhere" (view diff)
kevinmarks_!tell dhalgren` you could also ask from.hr to allow Known to be used - see withknown.com - they're pure indieweb and run anywhere wordpress does
dhalgren`kevinmarks_: hm, well I'll try suggesting that as an alternative to the plugin set; heh, I'd love to do something to support Known :D Think its an even longer shot then this though, as they've already got a presumably large WP deployment. Not that I'm too hopefull to begin with; think its easiest for the admin in q to simply say no to whatever I write :(
Loqidhalgren`: kevinmarks_ left you a message 4 minutes ago: you could also ask from.hr to allow Known to be used - see withknown.com - they're pure indieweb and run anywhere wordpress does http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-02/line/1449074927906
aaronpkI'm not a fan of keeping two docs up to date, but we could make the IWC wiki more of a "how to" and tutorial/example version rather than reading like a spec
dhalgren`kevinmarks_: is it using gettext/.po files? didn't see them glancing through the repo.. I did some translation with those previously; or maybe some other localization system; how different can it be? I'd have to doublecheck, but if my memory serves me, translating the docs needn't be a priority, for I think they linked to english-lang wordpress docs anyhow, so that wouldn't be a comparative flaw. I did however switch it to english as
dhalgren`no. wiki suggest that's for improving what google translate produces? If so, I don't think that helps much in translating from english to any highly inflected and poorly resourced language. maybe I'm misunderstanding its purpose though.
dhalgren`yeah, well that's roughly equivalent to giving you an empty page, as SMT's output is way too far from just editable quality, I'm sorry to say.
dhalgren`kevinmarks_: hah! y, but there are also linguistic characteristic that make it harder or easier for it to work. Like, finnish is pretty hopeless, being agglutinative. Lots of morphology can make the model too sparse, and reasonable forms may not even be seen - huge long tail of such phenomena can exist. It's relatively easy w near-analytic languages like english, or with at least not too many forms -- but also german compounding seems
dhalgren`to make it a hardish nut to crack, even though its well resourced. Last world machine translation was in en -> de was won by a neural network, closely followed by a model w explicit syntax, both substantially beating your regular pharse-based models.
dhalgren`kevinmarks_: yeah. and mostly phrase-based. Gets beaten in certain pairs despite its massive data advantage. Like en -> czech is consistently won by a czech system, incorporating lots of old-fashioned linguistic syntactic analysis (tectoML, transfer-based, using ideas of some prague school of syntax), a google-ish phrase-based system and a rules-based "fixer" of common mistakes. Chimera, they call the resulting monstrosity.
dhalgren`eh, eventually. though I think more flexible models than what is currently mainstream of translation will become dominant, at least for tricky pairs. Like what Bengio's group demonstrated this year for en->de with deep learning I just mentioned. It's all the rage everywhere else in google, why not infect translate as well?
tantekhmm - lots of language translation stuff - is this somehow related to what y'all are doing on your personal site? or would #indiechat be more appropriate?
adactioSo it looks logging in with IndieAuth using Twitter isn't working anymore (we've got multiple people here at Homebrew Website Club reproducing the problem). We suspect it might be because Twitter has started encoding the link back to your own website with a t.co redirect. (or have they been doing that for a while?)
gRegorLoveadactio: Have any of them tried updating their URL listed in their Twitter profile? A while ago (a year?) I found that worked. Same URL, just updating the profile did something... regenerated the t.co URL, probably?
dhalgren`kylewm: then that would be a problem if another auth provider did that as well? for my github directs to a no-ending-slash domain too, and works.
aaronpkkevinmarks: right now i'm not special-casing the silos since they all have rel=me in their HTML. but now it's looking like I might have to, at which point I might as well use the API for it
bearI don't get why gingras keeps saying "mobile web" and "the web is slow" when it's not the core web tech that is the problem but how the pages are designed