#indiewebcamp 2015-12-05

2015-12-05 UTC
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KevinMarks_ the magic of children creation in jf2 may be tricky for users, judging by my recursive parser's fiddlyness
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KevinMarks_ unmung2 now wiht children support http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dkevinmarks.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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KevinMarks_ I think that's right, bug reports welcom
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2.py#L24 is a bit tricksy
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KevinMarks_ maybe we should add jf2 examples to https://github.com/microformats/tests
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ I'm turning category inot having children
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KevinMarks_ http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=http://aaronpk.com&op=mf2-jf2 vs http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Daaronpk.com%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+23) "/* Portland */ regrets for Dec 16" (view diff)
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KevinMarks Fix dates on my homepage, old Homebrew Website Club notes show up in woodwind
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: are you just wrapping every array as children: ??
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KevinMarks_ apparently
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ben_thatmustbeme eeps
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KevinMarks_ need more testcases
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KevinMarks_ :D
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KevinMarks_ I was trying to avoid a 'is this the top level' flag in the recursive function
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ben_thatmustbeme the point of children: is if you don't have a name for it... h-* inside another h-* without any other mf2 class
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ben_thatmustbeme its not only top level
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ben_thatmustbeme its a matter of needing a test for is_array vs is_hash though
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ben_thatmustbeme which in php is annoying
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ben_thatmustbeme "children" is one of only a few reserved words actually
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ben_thatmustbeme so for all others its just testing if its an array or not
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ben_thatmustbeme the top level bit may actually be needed, but you don't need it in the recursion, you basically peel off a top level function that calls the recursion
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry if that doesn't make total sense right now
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ben_thatmustbeme a little blearry eyed
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kylewm.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:woodwind-reply-area-2015-12-04.png]]""
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KevinMarks_ it's a bit easier in python: https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2.py#L10
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KevinMarks_ but my logic is now stripping arrays that have a single element
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KevinMarks_ ie posts with one category
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kylewm.com edited /User:Kylewm.com (+360) "/* Need Help With */ Woodwind reply area" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: stripping them out? or converting them to not being an array?
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ben_thatmustbeme because thats what you want
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KevinMarks_ so is this test wrong? https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2test.py#L31
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KevinMarks_ it makes them not an array
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KevinMarks_ (You don't have an example like that in the docs)
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KevinMarks_ that test fails at the moment
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KevinMarks_ 'cos I get { "type": "entry", "name": "entry with tags", "categories": "tagged" }
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KevinMarks_ not { "type": "entry", "name": "entry with tags", "categories": ["tagged"] }
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ben_thatmustbeme I have been slowly figuring out what needs to get documented yet. But it should be "category": " tagged"
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ben_thatmustbeme If there is only one item in an array drop the array
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ben_thatmustbeme Nothing special about any vocab other than reserved words
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KevinMarks_ that's what my code does
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ben_thatmustbeme Then the test of wrong
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KevinMarks_ OK
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ben_thatmustbeme Action ben to update the spec with info on this
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KevinMarks_ what about children if there is one?
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ben_thatmustbeme For top level? It's dropped for below that you have nothing to label it with so you need children:
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ben_thatmustbeme Oh. Array. Hmmm. Hadn't thought about that
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KevinMarks_ no not top level
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2test.py#L72
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ben_thatmustbeme I think children probably makes sense to always be an array
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KevinMarks_ I have a h-feed with 1 h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme Hmmi think
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KevinMarks_ that's what I did: https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/blob/master/mf2tojf2.py#L23
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ben_thatmustbeme I'd say children as it is a reserved word makes sense to always be an array... But it's not as consistent with everything else then
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ben_thatmustbeme What would be easier for a person using this?
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ben_thatmustbeme Thoughts?
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KevinMarks_ I'm not sure
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KevinMarks_ I think the 'might be an array' thing is likely to trip people up anyway
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KevinMarks_ the mad nesting in the mf2 format is ugly, but at least you just write iterators
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KevinMarks_ here you'll have to check each time
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KevinMarks_ especially in python, where strings are arrays
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ben_thatmustbeme Ew
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KevinMarks_ so if I see {"categories":["tag1","tag2"]} first I'll use an iterator
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ben_thatmustbeme Mf2 format is ugly and ugly to work with. 99% of the time in just throwing a [0] in all over the place
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KevinMarks_ then when it is {"categories":"tag"} I'll get ["t","a","g"]
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ben_thatmustbeme There is no way to know a string from an array?
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KevinMarks_ er it's "category" not "categories"
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KevinMarks_ is_list
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah. I saw that it says categories in the test
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KevinMarks_ though you have lots of itereables
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ben_thatmustbeme So if you have it as an array you need to know the vocabulary to know what things are single value and what aren't
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ben_thatmustbeme Or you make everything an array in which case it's just mf2 json again
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KevinMarks_ or you write code that only ever sees the first one by default
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ben_thatmustbeme So I'm leaning toward just specifying that children is always an array and type, content-type, and value are always single items
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KevinMarks_ fixed https://github.com/microformats/mf2tojf2.py/commit/66570b883402a333d3842cb721b782ca00f83c1e
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KevinMarks_ so if we find an mf2 object with 2 types, we should clone it?
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KevinMarks_ do we have mf2 objects with 2 types in the wild?
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KevinMarks_ !tell tantek do we have examples of mf2 markup where the same object has 2 types?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KevinMarks_ maybe h-entry h-event ?
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GWG How do you mark up duration?
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KevinMarks_ of what?
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GWG Anything
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GWG A song
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GWG A run
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GWG The wiki refers to a duration property for microformats, but not the format for it. Or I'm missing it.
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KevinMarks_ I think we dropped that in favour of dt-start and dt-end
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GWG How would that work for a song though?
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ h-event says parse as dt-duration
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GWG But what does dt-duration look like?
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KevinMarks_ https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/infrastructure.html#valid-duration-string
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KevinMarks_ examples are <time>PT4H18M3S</time> <time>4h 18m 3s</time>
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KevinMarks_ in the spec
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/microformats/tests/blob/1633ac948c68105feaee040474f08e2f2769ca41/tests/microformats-v2/h-resume/work.html
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KevinMarks_ <time class="dt-duration" datetime="P2Y11M">(2 years 11 month)</time>
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@kevinmarks @randileeharper if you're thinking more reddit-like, there's probably some useful stuff in the indieweb building blocks (twitter.com/_/status/673042452060631040)
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@danlyke IndieWeb-ish folks: I want to talk about how we could put a status update stream on https://ipfs.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/673065551887994880)
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@genehack RT @danlyke: IndieWeb-ish folks: I want to talk about how we could put a status update stream on https://ipfs.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/673066168668696576)
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@kevinmarks @daveg that's why we have http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/673080161697329152)
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@daveg RT @kevinmarks: @daveg that's why we have http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/673080422918656000)
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@luketroysimmons RT @mothersele: should be at indiemark level 2 soon :) http://www.darrenmothersele.com/blog/2015/12/03/work-in-progress/ #indieweb #ownyouridentity (twitter.com/_/status/673089100371656704)
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@hagengraf Someone in my Twitter timeline with a #GNUSocial account? I am https://social.cocoate.com/hagen #IndieWeb #decentralization #remotefollow (twitter.com/_/status/673089457994772480)
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+419) "/* Query for other information */ Places" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes what do people think of how I’m querying for places?
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Kongaloosh tbrb: we should add HWC to the OTC
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Kongaloosh open tech calandar, that is.
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tbrb might be an idea for the new year, yeah
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GWG Does anyone have an event posting UI that factors in timezone?
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aaronpk GWG: Teacup has a timezone input field
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GWG I'm trying to get a sense of how to implement one that is simple.
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aaronpk yeah it's hard
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GWG Last time I did one, it used the timezone identifiers.
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GWG So, you are using timezone offsets. Hmm..
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[aaronpk] I use the browser date to determine times one offset to populate the field
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[aaronpk] s/times one/timezone/
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Loqi [aaronpk] meant to say: I use the browser date to determine timezone offset to populate the field
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aaronpk KevinMarks: you might be interested in this http://semantic-ui.com/views/card.html
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aaronpk i just updated my new site to use this CSS library, it's got a ton of stuff in it and looks pretty nice
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aaronpk wow I am spending way too much time on this admin UI oops
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snarfed (cough manual until it hurts cough :P)
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk I also do want to get in the habit of making nicer things though
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snarfed of course! i think of it more as prioritization than sacrificing quality
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snarfed we don't have the time to nice *all* the things, sadly
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aaronpk it's true. i'm treating this as practice though
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GWG I'm adding entirely too much javascript for someone who spent so much time avoiding it
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aaronpk haha I know the feeling
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Loqi ahaha
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GWG I just added moment.js to solve a date parsing problem
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GWG I tried using timezone names again, and randomly using one of Tantek's posts to parse. It set it to America/Dawson, aka GMT-8:00
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GWG Wondering if I should just go for the -8 again
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GWG Where is Dawson anyway?
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snarfed hey kylewm, just fyi, the mf2py service seems unhappy with http://loveiswhoweare.com/?p=552
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snarfed https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Floveiswhoweare.com%2F%3Fp%3D552
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snarfed i'm guessing mf2py handles it ok, and maybe the query param part of the url is c onfusing the web interface
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snarfed (comparison: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Floveiswhoweare.com%2F%3Fp%3D552 )
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kylewm snarfed: ahh good guess on he query param
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kylewm snarfed: thanks for the heads up, it's working now
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snarfed thanks kylewm!
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kylewm had to change my User-Agent to please wordpress
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tantek what's WordPress doing that is UA-specific?
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 14 hours ago: do we have examples of mf2 markup where the same object has 2 types? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449291124888
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tantek KevinMarks: yes there has been a bunch. originally hreview hentry I think, and more recently h-card h-person or h-org as theoretical possibilities.
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aaronpk oh yeah i've seen that before too. some wordpress sites are configured to not serve content unless the user agent is a browser
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tantek or a search engine like google presumably?
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GWG I just got a start/published date/time/zone and and end/updated date/time/zone working in my Post UI.
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GWG I'm so glad I came to Florida, where there are few distractions from my Indiewebing
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kylewm in my experience Wordpress is happy with any user agent as long as it doesn't mention "python" :)
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kylewm probably also "ruby"
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kylewm curl is ok for some reason
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kylewm snarfed: I think granary has the same issue? https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=activitystreams&url=http%3A%2F%2Floveiswhoweare.com%2F%3Fp%3D552
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petermolnar g' evening
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petermolnar I just realized I could do a urls with unicode & emoji characters; would be a bit insane, but unique I believe; both chrome & FF accepts them in the url field and displays them as expected, hiding the urlencode :)
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snarfed interesting actually. mf2py and php-mf2 parse that page *very* differently. writing up now.
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aaronpk sent myself a webmention from my new site to my new site. realized I'm not publishing author information yet :)
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snarfed testing++
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Loqi testing has 11 karma
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kylewm snarfed: really? they look very similar to me! except php-mf2 gives the nested h-entry a "value"
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kylewm also I really wish I knew how to make Python print out the dict fields in a better order (type, properties, children)
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snarfed yeah that'd be nice
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snarfed kylewm: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/563#issuecomment-162240328 . includes bridgy's logged mf2py output json
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snarfed maybe bridgy needs to upgrade its mf2py?
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kylewm whoa
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snarfed bridgy is on mf2py 0.2.6...and ooh there's a 1.0.0 now
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snarfed changes between the two look minor: https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md
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kylewm yeah i was going to say, it seems like a backcompat issue (entry-content not converted to e-content) but that's been in there forever
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snarfed yeah
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kylewm also requirements.freeze.txt has 1.0.0, so I think you're up to date anyway
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snarfed ah interesting. my virtualenv actually isn't :P, but good that req'ts is
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kylewm bridgy also didn't parse "url", which is backcompat parsed from rel="bookmark", and that is a slightly more recent addtion...
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kylewm sorry we should move to #bridgy or the gh issue
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snarfed heh yes
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snarfed but actually mf2py backcompat support is a bit more broadly relevant
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snarfed hey KartikPrabhu tommorris (and kylewm), if we want to file an mf2py backcompat bug, want a new one? or should we reopen https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/45 ?
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tommorris new one referencing the old is probably best
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snarfed will do
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tommorris I must warn you that I haven't got much time to work on mf2py at the moment due to health issues
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kylewm snarfed: can you tell which parser bridgy's using? html5lib, lxml, or html.parser?
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kylewm html5lib based on my virtualenv
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snarfed thx
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GWG Aaronpk, on your exercise, why duration and not start and end times?
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[aaronpk] GWG: mostly because duration is a property that comes back from the run keeper API where the data came from. I'm changing it on my new site tho
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GWG Aaronpk, I assume you've given this thought then. I'm just now building time as a post property
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GWG Aaronpk, what are the pros and cons?
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GWG Duration vs time?
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GWG KevinMarks made a good case for time last night
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[aaronpk] Duration is useful still because the activity may have been paused in the middle
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[aaronpk] But I am planning on publishing start and end time too
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@DodgerWA RT @danlyke: IndieWeb-ish folks: I want to talk about how we could put a status update stream on https://ipfs.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/673252042991755264)
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KevinMarks_ GWG use offsets rather than named timezones
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KevinMarks_ I haven't seen anything use duration, but we do have aprsing rules defined
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KevinMarks_ though the mf2 just preserves the text as given
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GWG KevinMarks, I came to that conclusion.
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GWG Aaronpk is using duration, and pointed out pausing as a reason, but that may be an edge case.
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GWG !tell acegiak How do you feel about duration vs start/end times?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[aaronpk] I would never enter duration by hand fwiw. I only have it because it was already there in the data I got from the API
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[aaronpk] Also sleep has duration which subtracts some time from the middle of the sleep event if it thinks I woke up in the middle of the night
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GWG Aaronpk, acegiak asked for the duration feature. I've never used it. I think start end is more useful, but don't want to have issues.
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@erinjo Good work on WordPress-Known import/exports happened at IndieWebCamp this Thurs. I need to spend some time moving my old archives to Known. (twitter.com/_/status/673274589863010304)
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GWG I feel like as long as I am implementing post ui fields I should do more
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+95) "/* How to */ or Wikipedia page linking to both their personal site and Twitter, e.g. like evanpro" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+94) "/* With other profiles */ or if their Twitter links to their personal site" (view diff)
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@t No #ECSCA for me; took care of nephews & niece for a bit. Coded some #indieweb person-tag support. Now to test it. (ttk.me t4e_1) (twitter.com/_/status/673288884306862080)
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tantek IT WORKED!!! http://tantek.com/2015/339/t2/w3c-social-web-working-group-mozilla person-tagged photo POSSEd via Bridgy to FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102003228929963 with 3 person-tags making it over out of 4 FB URLs