#indiewebcamp 2015-12-06

2015-12-06 UTC
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tantek bengo, KevinMarks, aaronpk ^^^ :D
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tantek you've been person-tagged
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bengo :)
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tantek were you notified?
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bengo https://cloudup.com/ci51LDs_2ZY
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bengo YES
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bengo cool
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tantek sweet
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tantek amazing
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+418) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add self with a photo from the social web WG meeting" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed++ only took me 20 days to get person-tags working since you added person-tag support to Bridgy Publish for Facebook photos!
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Loqi snarfed has 178 karma
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+171) "/* person tags */ person-tags implemented enough to POSSE to FB! Note remaining work for SWAT0, and prototyping how to POSSE person-tags to Twitter photos" (view diff)
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acegiak GWG: How does start/end time relate to published date?
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 day, 7 hours ago: https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/wp_encode_emoji Maybe? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449250833415
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 2 hours, 54 minutes ago: How do you feel about duration vs start/end times? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-05/line/1449353899241
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GWG acegiak: It doesn't. I'm using the same field and the backend logic figures out what to do with it
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GWG But would start and end times satisfy your needs as opposed to duration?
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acegiak I don't see why not
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acegiak it would clear up some hypothetical confusion about whether posted time is the start or end of the event
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GWG I'm building it now.
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GWG It would be neither, if I implement this
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GWG Basically, in the last version, I added published and updated dates to the citation, not the post.
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GWG I'm going to use the same fields to indicate start and end if the kind is some sort of activity.
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acegiak why have published and updated dates duplicated ?
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GWG Why would they be duplicated
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GWG There is one built into the post
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acegiak ?
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GWG There is also the published date of the citation
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acegiak oh the date the citation was published?
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GWG Yes
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acegiak ah ok
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acegiak sorry, misunderstood
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GWG I'm writing the storage functions now
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GWG acegiak: That emoji function will be integrated into the next version before saving
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GWG Anything else you want in there while I'm rewriting stuff? The display function is on my agenda for this week.
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acegiak GWG: Will the emoji function work with the fact that sometimes emoji are in tag attributes? That's a thing that seems to happen if people post emoji in tumblr.
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GWG According to what I read, WordPress takes should work. It is meta I have to have a check for
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acegiak yeah, not it's always the citation content that the emoji issue is happening in for me atm
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acegiak and yeah I think it's the weird characters in img alt text that's doing it
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GWG Is it something saved in the post meta?
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acegiak The citation content is, yeah
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GWG I intend to run it through that function
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acegiak Cool
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aaronpk !tell tantek whoa cool! I did get notified. It said "Tantek posted a photo with you" instead of what I was expecting it to say "Tantek tagged a photo of you"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[jonnybarnes] do we need to talk about ip/sni variants on /https?
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[jonnybarnes] SNI support is basically everywhere now
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[jonnybarnes] I think that part of the page, being near the top, would just needlessly scare/confuse someone reading the page for the first time
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: probably safe to move that down to an FAQ lower on the page. The only times I've heard of SNI issues lately are with python libraries trying to verify webmentions on https sites.
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snarfed current status: trying to understand twitter's search
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snarfed haven't yet found a way to find tweets with links to a given domain, but not also usernames that look like that domain (e.g. curin.ga vs @curin_ga)
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snarfed whee
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snarfed including http:// (or https://) before the domain only returns a small fraction of the results it should. not sure why. meh
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aaronpk very strange
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aaronpk in my experience with twitter search, at least with the streaming search, you often have to over-match on the initial query and then filter things out after you receive them
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /HTTPS (+139) "Talk about SNI issued in the Criticism section" (view diff)
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[jonnybarnes] aaronpk: I’ve moved SNI down to the Criticism section
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Tino I noticed the same. I have a few twitter searches running in https://queryfeed.net/ which show up in my RSS feed reader. Those results are only a fraction of what is really going on. I use ifttt.com as well to do a twitter search and make a feed in Feedly. It returns different results, but not many more. Apparently Twitter does not feed everything, but only a portion of what is available when the search is performed
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aaronpk cool thanks
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aaronpk yes I believe that's documented: "Before getting involved, it’s important to know that the Search API is focused on relevance and not completeness. This means that some Tweets and users may be missing from search results. If you want to match for completeness you should consider using a Streaming API instead." https://dev.twitter.com/rest/public/search
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Tino Right.... I guess I have to look for solution that use the Streaming API and output as an RSS feed then....
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /HTTPS (+282) "/* Obtain */ Let’s Encrypt" (view diff)
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Tino Does Loqi use the streaming api as well?
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Loqi woot!
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /HTTPS (-401) "/* How to */ remove Let’s Encrypt from possible future section as its available now" (view diff)
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aaronpk Loqi does
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Tino Great, I'll look into it then... Going AFK for a while, dinertime over here (6 pm)
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aaronpk i'm planning on making breaking changes to the mention-client-php library today, and publishing a new version
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snarfed whee!
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snarfed yeah, bridgy has definitely suffered from twitter's incomplete search results for a while now (https://www.brid.gy/about#missing ), but i was hoping this part might be different. guess not
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snarfed sadly bridgy is too big to use the streaming api :/
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/57#issuecomment-35161989
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snarfed Tino: feel free to also try https://granary-demo.appspot.com/ and https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ for converting twitter searches, lists, feeds, etc to atom
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /HTTPS (+1203) "/* How to */ Brief introduction to using the Let’s Encrypt client" (view diff)
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aaronpk anyone care to review new API design for mention-client-php? https://github.com/aaronpk/mention-client-php cc rhiaro
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[jonnybarnes] the readme looks good to me
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[jonnybarnes] minor nitpick, should people be doing `$client->debug(true);` all the time?
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aaronpk oh yeah i shoudl probably take that out of the examples
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aaronpk thx
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snarfed aaronpk: has anyone ever asked for supporting local/relative targets?
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snarfed i get that not everyone would want that, but i know at least some people would. maybe opt in?
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aaronpk hm true.
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snarfed only if you've actually gotten requests though. e.g. i'd want it, but i'm not a user :P
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aaronpk and I do actually intentionally reply to my own pages sometimes
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snarfed yup. rsvp to your own events, etc
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snarfed
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Tino Thanks snarfed, I'll check those out
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aaronpk now i'm actually trying to think if i should just not include that option
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aaronpk and always send for relative targets too
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snarfed default/optional args are lightweight, right?
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snarfed dunno about php convention
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aaronpk yeah just means i have to write more tests :P
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snarfed eh you have to test fully qualified vs relative anyway
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snarfed i guess i vote choose the right api for its own sake :P
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[jonnybarnes] why doesn’t this work: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonnybarnes.uk%2Fplaces%2Fthe-bridgewater-pub
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[jonnybarnes] aaronpk? do you run pin13.net?
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aaronpk [jonnybarnes]: yeah that's mine. i try to keep it up to date with the php parser
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aaronpk it might be having trouble with your ssl cert if it's blank
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[jonnybarnes] probably :simple_smile:
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[jonnybarnes] maybe /https needs another edit :stuck_out_tongue:
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aaronpk heh I think the letsencrypt root isn't installed on that server
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[jonnybarnes] parsing the HTML in works
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[jonnybarnes] its cross-signed by someone else
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[jonnybarnes] IdenTrust
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aaronpk yeah i need to move pin13.net to the new server already.
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[jonnybarnes] specifically https://www.identrust.com/certificates/trustid/root-download-x3.html
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[jonnybarnes] oh, and this is all to check my micoformats, so on that point, how ould one markup the description of a place? at all? I’m currently using `p-note`
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KartikPrabhu p-summary?
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aaronpk hm yeah that's what one would gather reading http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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aaronpk i'd be more inclined to use p-summary though
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[jonnybarnes] `p-summary` isn’t listed here: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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[jonnybarnes] I’ll leave it as `p-note` for now
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KartikPrabhu [jonnybarnes]: I think it will depends mostly on some consuming code. I don't know if threre are example consumers for h-card for places yet
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KartikPrabhu :( so many typos
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petermolnar what is nchan?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nchan" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108R
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petermolnar nchan is pub/sub server module for nginx. https://nchan.slact.net/readme
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loqi.me created /nchan (+99) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-06/line/1449431457532 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed hah, i thought it might be a generalization of 4chan/8chan
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petermolnar n+1chan
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aaronpk that looks neat
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aaronpk i've used this one before, kinda similar: https://github.com/wandenberg/nginx-push-stream-module
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aaronpk that's what the IRC logs use
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[shaners] !tell rhiaro did you know that you’re syndicating the raw markdown of your post to twitter? https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/673619860304203776
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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rhiaro [shaners]: yep..
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rhiaro It's actually not supposed to be auto posseing at all
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rhiaro bugsbugsbugsbugsbus
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[shaners] kk. just making sure.
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[shaners] PS. It’s bugs all the way down.
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rhiaro fo sho
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[jonnybarnes] hang on, you ran the letsencrypt client on your *local* machine rhiaro?
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[jonnybarnes] how did it confirm you own the domain?
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loveiswhoweare.com edited /IRC_People (+69) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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rhiaro [jonnybarnes]: it gave me some stuff to paste into a file at .well-known on the server
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loveiswhoweare.com edited /IRC_People (+3) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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rhiaro was surprisingly painless
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rhiaro Now I'm working on doing it for my awkward docker setup
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rhiaro stay tuned
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KevinMarks_ jonnybarnes: my hovercard reads summary or note: http://www.unmung.com/hovercard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonnybarnes.uk/places/the-bridgewater-pub
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KevinMarks_ though not lat/long
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Kongaloosh tbrb: I may have found another person for our meetup!
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[jonnybarnes] kevinmarks: excellent
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[jonnybarnes] rhiaro: that makes sense
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aaronpk kylewm++ for API docs for silo.pub!
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Loqi kylewm has 276 karma