#indiewebcamp 2016-01-20

2016-01-20 UTC
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Loqi [bridgy] Shuangshuang Song commented 'hank you very much MMMGlobal who has given a lot of knowledge about Bitcoin, esp...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085108747153)
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Loqi [bridgy] 陳宜其 commented 'Here is more great news from MMM participants around the world and more proof th...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085173672043)
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Loqi [bridgy] Dion commented 'Thank dto the MMMExtra Program I love MMM all ppl joint me #BC#money#bank' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085178911543)
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KartikPrabhu oh man, that bitcoin stuff is still going!?
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miklb oops, kylewm thanks, made a rookie mistake. I see your fave showing up now, but not my original tweet. (missing styling)
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kylewm miklb: Bridgy interprets your tweet "Testing #indieweb webmentions..." as the syndicated copy of the original post http://miklb.com/making-the-move-to-jekyll, not a comment on the original post, so it won't send it to you as a reply
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miklb kylewm: ah, OK. Starting to understand. But if someone else were to link to it, it would appear. Got it
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miklb next step is to see if I can get this rake file to work in my travis set up to atttempt to send mentions
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kylewm the normal usage pattern is you post on your site, then you POSSE a copy to twitter. so like you'd tweet "Making the Move to Jekyll (http://miklb.com/making-the-move-to-jekyll)". then replies to that tweet would be sent back to your post as if they were replies to the post
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miklb awesome! thanks
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kylewm Bridgy will *also* search for tweets that link to your post, but that is kinda secondary
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Loqi [bridgy] Worachai Chaiyasorn commented 'The system for making money online make money as much as 100% per month. #MMM #...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085301944983)
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Loqi [bridgy] Ping Wu commented 'I love MMM. I provide help to others and I receive help and earn the money. MMM ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085326720333)
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aaronpk wow it just keeps going
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Loqi [bridgy] Chiyong He commented '超级三M社区，是一个互助的平台，每天之需要做一些简单的任务，花不了几分钟的时间，你就可以获得百分百的收益，让普通人也可以实现财富的快速增长，实现自己的梦想！ ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085345792113)
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Loqi [bridgy] 胡蝶 commented '在MMM社区，只要每天做些简单的网络任务就能得到20%-100%的利息增长，很幸运可以参与到这里，同时感恩3M，我会更加努力的。#HashTags: #MMM ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085413122183)
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tantek wow the bitcoin spambot luring continues!
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@6montana RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695366836224)
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@brainydonkey RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695400390656)
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@fooobug RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695710756864)
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@solfangero RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695949864960)
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@crabcoins RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695429758976)
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@sigmatroll RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670696084082688)
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@SergioStol RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689670695886983168)
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tantek oh dear
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tantek I'm just glad we had a citation for that
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kylewm I had no clue there was so much spam on Facebook
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tantek me neither
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Loqi [bridgy] Matthieu Zhang commented 'Thanks to MMM Global . We can get up to 100% per month .We can change the world ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085501869333)
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tantek kylewm: you trimmed an l off the end of .html
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kylewm sorry tantek, thanks
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kylewm anybody going to http://www.meetup.com/Sandstorm-SF-Bay-Area/events/227595644/ ?
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kylewm Sandstorm.io "January Meetup: Drew introduces Powerbox UI + Lightning Talks (SF)"
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@e8johan Dags för Ã¥rets första träff. Den här gÃ¥ngen snackar vi IndieWeb. Välkomna! http://foss-gbg.se/2016/01/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/689687637901361152)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+216) "/* IndieWebCamp */ More IndieWebCamps" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: looks like Loqi doesn't catch the plural IndieWebCamps, e.g. https://twitter.com/t/status/689718991728705536
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@t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689718991728705536)
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tantek but let's try this
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tantek apparently IndieWebCamp retweets don't trigger Loqi either
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@indiewebcamp RT @t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689725207980802048)
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tantek nevermind - that did work apparently
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@t @myriadmystic IndieWebCamp MIT is a GO for 2016-03-14…15. Go sign up! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Guest_List cc: @aaronpk (ttk.me t4fL1) (twitter.com/_/status/689729154862821376)
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@jkphl 🏁 tries hard to keep track of all his current babies https://web.material.is/2016/ https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg http://a11y.club @CoderDojoNBG (twitter.com/_/status/689735904341200896)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/689699889278619648
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@kevinmarks “2007 is when [we] accidentally invented telepathy… it… taps into the most toxic wellsprings of the subconscious.” http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/01/some-american-political-marker.html (twitter.com/_/status/689699889278619648)
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marcthiele Hello tantek. I added everybody from the guest list of last year's IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf. Will compare to the registration and add those who were missing on the guest list (in both parts, guest list and grid of 2015)
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Loqi [bridgy] 陳宜其 commented 'Really great, ah, it really is a perfect platform for a month 20% --- 100% of ea...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085815795223)
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@marcthiele @fredho02 check #indiewebcamp and webmentions, if you are interested in this (the integration you are talking about) http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/689787464941191168)
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@pabloawad “I think the IndieWebCamp has it right: publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere.” — @manton http://www.manton.org/2016/01/fine-heres-a-twitter-feed.html (twitter.com/_/status/689791931531026432)
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@pabloawad “I think the IndieWebCamp has it right: publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere.” — @manton2 http://www.manton.org/2016/01/fine-heres-a-twitter-feed.html (twitter.com/_/status/689792525952028672)
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tantek thank you marcthiele! now we just need to also sort them alphabetically by full name (we had that last year and I forgot to note that in the wiki for this year) - makes it easier to avoid duplicates
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Loqi [bridgy] Hua Shan commented '是一个互助的平台，每天之需要做一些简单的任务，花不了几分钟的时间，你就可以获得百分百的收益，让普通人也可以实现财富的快速增长，实现自己的梦想！#MMM #Dog...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085903773913)
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Loqi [bridgy] 杰张 commented 'M M M Global社区这里的目标不是得到钱。我们的目标是摧毁世界不公正的金融体系。您加入前一定要了解我们的思想！天下为公，世界大同，创建惠济全球的命运共同...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085908778883)
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marcthie_ Gonna sort them, tantek.
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marcthiele OK … I hope I understood "fullname" right and used the first name ;)
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Loqi [bridgy] Supanan Wongsarapee commented 'MMMGlobal who has given a lot of knowledge about Bitcoin, especially Mr. sergey ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085924103173)
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petermolnar_ !tell GWG https://github.com/petermolnar/wordpress-indieweb/commit/ee1145b57cf6def40554f369a892e9a98fa89649
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@fourtonfish Nearly done migrating my blog away from Tumblr. Hello #indieweb! https://fourtonfish.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/689821542457462784)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar_ left you a message 13 minutes ago: https://github.com/petermolnar/wordpress-indieweb/commit/ee1145b57cf6def40554f369a892e9a98fa89649 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453301036333
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GWG petermolnar_: pfefferle suggested looking at something singpolyma did 6 years ago as well. I think I can come up with something
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Loqi [bridgy] 周婕倫 commented 'thanks to the MMM EXTRA program i love mmm all ppl join me!#HashTags: #MMM #Doge...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102085949058163)
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jgmac1106 @aaronpk I signed up for indiewebcamp NYC but can only make it on Friday. I can gladly give up my tix if there is someone who wants to go both days
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@cancelBubble Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site (w3c spec) https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/689836327655714816)
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@luxagraf Wow, webmentions are an official W3C draft spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/?utm_source=html5weekly&utm_medium=email Very cool #IndieWeb stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/689837727836172288)
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aaronpk utm_source=html5weekly?
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aaronpk http://html5weekly.com/issues/223
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, cool
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ben_thatmustbeme webmention hitting FPWD is certainly getting some attention
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@strugee2 RT @t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689833974802153473)
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@twtomcat RT @t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689725126372376576)
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@kevinmarks RT @t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689722042875121664)
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@jkphl RT @t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689719256301342720)
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@t IndieWebCamps in 5 cities. Save dates: 1/22-23 NYC 3/14-15 MIT 4/16-17 Nürnberg 5/7-8 Düsseldorf 6/4-5 PDX More: http://tantek.com/2016/019/t1/indiewebcamps-cities-save-dates (twitter.com/_/status/689718991728705536)
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@jgmac1106 Wow @fourtonfish I know that had to be quite the endeavor. Welcome. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/689844036992155648)
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aaronpk i can't believe that all fit in a tweet
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ben_thatmustbeme generating a guest list for all of 2015 https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh/Guest_List
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ben_thatmustbeme does anyone know if Ewan Klein attended?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking i'll just include all maybes anyway
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@artefactors New web mention W3C draft spec - Can see lots of potential use cases for webmentions like measuring impact & reach https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/689845998936559616)
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tantek aaronpk: indeed - it all fit and if I'd taken another minute I could have probably shortened it by another char to be 100% txt retweetable
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tantek jgmac1106: great to have you at IWC NYC even if just one day!
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marcthiele Hey tantek, have you seen that I sorted the existing grid? Ok like this? Just wanted to know, before I head downstairs to the kids.
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jgmac1106 @tantek just want to make sure I don’t take a spot if someone can make it for two days. I know the quarters are tight
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tantek looking!
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tantek jgmac1106: note it in parentheses next to your name e.g. (Saturday only)
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tantek will help with Friday vs. Saturday planning
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tantek we may have more capacity on Saturday anyway
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tantek marcthiele: you rock!
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jgmac1106 failed miserbaly at trying to create my first git repo today. Has always baffled me that such smart people can make such an somethign so unintuitive
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tantek marcthiele++
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Loqi marcthiele has 3 karma
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tantek jgmac1106: there is nothing intuitive about git. it's commandline gibberish you have to learn and then easily forget.
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jgmac1106 except my parentheses should say (Friday) and it looks like weather will cooperate
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tantek jgmac1106: great
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tantek hey also - add yourself to /irc-people!
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marcthiele If I find time, I could add the rest of the 2015 as well. I just need to know or be sure that people who are listed at the Guest List actually have been there in fact.
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tantek indeed - I think ben_thatmustbeme is also trying to confirm that e.g. for /2015/Edinburgh
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michel_v and git's verbs are polysemic too
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tantek !tell kylewm,GWG looks like your icons in the 2015 IndieWebCampers grid have gone 404, could you update them? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#IndieWebCampers
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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marcthiele OK … then I am off and playing with my kids. Let me know if I can help with anything. ;) Later …
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tantek marcthiele: another source of people for the grid are the photos from each IWC
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tantek in each IWC I remember people being there who RSVPd some other way and may not have actually added themselves to the wiki guest list
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tantek but yes - this can be done later
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tantek thank you!!
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marcthiele tantek: ok. Will have a look later tonight, when everybody is sleeping and check what I can do.
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marcthiele The issue that people are not adding themselves to the list is crap. I encourage everybody to do so, but still not everybody does.
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marcthiele I added 60% myself, just to make sure they are in there.
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tantek marcthiele: yes it can be challenging to make it happen. It is a good way of making sure everyone gets IndieAuth setup on/with their site!
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marcthiele Let's see if this changes this year for May.
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tantek I try to make it a day-1 goal of every IWC to get everyone there on the wiki RSVP page
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tantek marcthiele: agreed - and for this weekend in NYC!
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marcthiele ;)
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aaronpk I know for some of the events the organizers have added people to the guest list who registered from other methods
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tantek also a good practice if need be - kylewm did a great job of that for /2015/SF for example, with separate sections so the folks added that way could still "upgrade" themselves in the lists to "Wiki RSVP" or "Indie RSVP"
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tantek jgarber - where are you based these days, and how can we get you to an IndieWebCamp this year? :)
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jgarber_ tantek: I'm still here in Washington, DC and I would love to get back to an IWC. It's been far too long! Checking out the calendar now…
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@WebOpsDaily Webmention: A Spec to Notify Remote URLs When You Link to Them - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/689855017071857664)
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tantek jgarber_: can you make it to Cambridge in March?
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ben_thatmustbeme dang, who updated the 2015 page
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ben_thatmustbeme i just got a whole dump of everyone
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tantek which?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: marcthiele helped out with adding folks from IWC Germany last year
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ben_thatmustbeme now i have to merge list
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tantek we're going to need to incrementally add folks anyway
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tantek merge sort de-dup :)
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jgarber tantek I've got something going on down here in DC on 3/15. Looks like that'll coincide with Cambridge.
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jgarber The 2016 IndieWeb Summit in Portland is _very_ appealing…
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tantek jgarber: do you have access to a venue to organize an IWC DC?
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tantek and yes you should DEFINITELY come out to the IndieWeb Summit!
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jgarber tantek: I could probably make something happen here in DC in the second half of the year.
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tantek that would be great!
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tantek can you add a section to /Planning accordingly?
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jgarber tantek: Will do!
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, no no, we will just need to add people from here
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ben_thatmustbeme i grabbed from all iwcs
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ben_thatmustbeme i think
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I'm sure we're still missing people
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, but they will be one at a time
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ben_thatmustbeme not merging lists
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jgarber Is the general preference under 2016 on /Planning to organize by date or city name (alpha)?
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tantek e.g. if we look at photos from the events, I'm sure there are people in them that were not on wiki Guest List
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tantek jgarber: I think roughly by expected time of year
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ben_thatmustbeme btw, do you want me to leave in people without images?
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aaronpk this page really makes me want to make events.indiewebcamp.com a thing http://indiewebcamp.com/Events
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tantek aaronpk: add it to your itches ;)
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jgarber tantek: :thumbsup:
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tantek and get back to shipping your site ;)
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jgarber On /Planning, how do I get my user to show up similar to {{t}}…? Tried {{jgarber}} and it yields Template:jgarber in preview.
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tantek jgarber: that's correct
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tantek now click on that red link and create it
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jgarber tantek: Would that be a different page from my user page? https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Sixtwothree.org
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tantek jgarber: note that {{t}} is different from User:tantek.com :)
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jgarber Ah, right. MediaWiki newbie over here…
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tantek there are always pre-existing patterns to analyze and emulate
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tantek you just have to look for them :)
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@boogah As someone who has lived through both Trackbacks & Pingbacks, I can’t wait to see all the creative ways that spammers leverage Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/689859665304256512)
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@jgarber I’m looking to help bring #indiewebcamp to DC later this year. Who’s with me? https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (twitter.com/_/status/689860881090527232)
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jgarber It's on Twitter now which means it's real. And forever.
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tantek jgarber++
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tantek jgarber: I know benwerd also wanted to help
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tantek I think there was a past DC page with people who were interested
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aaronpk indiependence day hehehe
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tantek wat
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jgarber Ah: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/DC => https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/DC
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tantek correct
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015-review (+13784) "/* IndieWebCampers */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme woops, i hit save page instead of preview
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ben_thatmustbeme either way i'm pretty burned out on that at the moment
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ben_thatmustbeme i was going through commenting out ones that don't have images
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tantek it's ok to leave them in - and hopefully we can collectively find new/fixed images for them
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sixtwothree.org edited /Planning (+12) "/* 2016 */ Link to DC's 2016 page" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme there are some commented out now
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ben_thatmustbeme but i'm goingt o leave it like that for now, someone else can continue clean up
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ben_thatmustbeme some of them are just names, nothing more
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tantek that's tough
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tantek without a domain or image
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats why i just commented out for now
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tantek doing some IWC DC cleanup
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@DougHensel @jgarber so, #indieWebCamp is a collaborative gathering where the community can help folks on their personal projects/sites? (twitter.com/_/status/689862845870260224)
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ben_thatmustbeme put my vim skills to the test each lear cleaning that list up though
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@jgarber @DougHensel Yeah, more or less. There’s a _ton_ of information on the wiki. The “why” page is a good starting point: https://indiewebcamp.com/why (twitter.com/_/status/689863503415529473)
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@jgarber @DougHensel Also useful: - https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started - https://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twitter.com/_/status/689863581878358016)
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@jgarber @DougHensel There’s also a related, more frequent event: https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club It’d be fun to have on here in DC, too. (twitter.com/_/status/689864235338305542)
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tantek jgarber: on that point, add DC and yourself to the list of cities here! https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings
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tantek all you need is a committed co-organizer to start. It just takes 2.
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tantek also a good way to build critical mass for an IWC later in the year
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Loqi [bridgy] Jason Garber replied '@DougHensel There’s also a related, more frequent event: indiewebcamp.com/Homebr...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (https://twitter.com/jgarber/status/689864235338305542)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jason Garber replied '@DougHensel Yeah, more or less. There’s a _ton_ of information on the wiki. The ...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (https://twitter.com/jgarber/status/689863503415529473)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jason Garber replied '@DougHensel Also useful: - indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started - indiewebcamp.c...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (https://twitter.com/jgarber/status/689863581878358016)
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Loqi [bridgy] Douglas Hensel replied '@jgarber so, #indieWebCamp is a collaborative gathering where the community can ...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (https://twitter.com/DougHensel/status/689862845870260224)
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Loqi [bridgy] Russell Heimlich replied '@jgarber I would love to attend!' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning (https://twitter.com/kingkool68/status/689864117683879937)
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tantek jgarber: can you collect those "interesteds" and add them to /2016/DC#Interested and cite their tweet URLs?
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GWG Hopefully that will last for a while.
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 9 minutes ago: looks like your icons in the 2015 IndieWebCampers grid have gone 404, could you update them? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#IndieWebCampers http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453308603644
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snarfed just deployed bridgy publish flickr video support!
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snarfed facebook coming soon
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GWG I'd better set up a redirect for whenever I change that
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tantek WHOA
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tantek snarfed - looking forward to it!!!
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tantek GWG - yeah - or use a generic URL that you always redirect
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kylewm is there some theory that describes the way too many communication channels dilutes internet communities?
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 13 minutes ago: looks like your icons in the 2015 IndieWebCampers grid have gone 404, could you update them? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#IndieWebCampers http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453308603644
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jgarber tantek: HWC update, done. Will work on the IWC DC page later today/tonight.
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tantek jgarber: awesome. hope my updates to /2016/DC made sense
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jgarber Ah, perfect! You knocked a couple items off my to-do list. Thanks!
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tantek it's that compulsive OCD at work, when I see things that look misleading
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cleverdevil for those of you interested in LetsEncrypt, we did a thing - https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/2016/01/20/free-ssltls-certificates-at-dreamhost-with-lets-encrypt/
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cleverdevil enjoy :)
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aaronpk nice!!
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cleverdevil FWIW, this is definitely just a first step.
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aaronpk hm I don't see the option in the panel anywhere
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aaronpk oh it's in "secure hosting"?
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aaronpk let's see what happens!
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cleverdevil yeah
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cleverdevil keep in mind, this is in beta :)
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cleverdevil eventually, we'll overhaul this part of the panel with an overall better experience
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aaronpk cleverdevil: do I have to do something special to enable it? it's just timing out.
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cleverdevil might just be waiting in a queue to get pushed out
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aaronpk but the site isn't even responding on port 443
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cleverdevil eek!
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cleverdevil was it before?
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aaronpk doubt it, but i have no idea
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cleverdevil ah, yeah, if it wasn't before then the config just hasn't been pushed yet.
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cleverdevil what's the domain?
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aaronpk does enabling ssl move it to a different backend server? (I run my own DNS and copy the dreamhost DNS to the domain)
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cleverdevil nope, it just generates the cert, adds it to apache, and does the appropriate config.
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aaronpk does that mean i'm the first one on this server to enable ssl?
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aaronpk oh hey there it goes
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cleverdevil :)
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cleverdevil nope, it's handled on a domain-by-domain basis.
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cleverdevil and all of our configuration stuff is asynchronous.
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aaronpk but i'm on a shared server
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aaronpk so the server would still respond on 443 even if my site doesn't have a cert
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cleverdevil good point.
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cleverdevil its *possible* you're the first to add secure hosting on that shared machine.
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aaronpk I bet if I do another domain it will happen quicker this time
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Loqi [bridgy] Jason Garber replied '@DougHensel Awesome, thanks! I’m gonna work on the 2016 DC wiki page later today...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/jgarber/status/689874233837621249)
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Loqi [bridgy] Douglas Hensel replied '@jgarber it looks like it would be a lot of fun. Going through all the docs now....' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (https://twitter.com/DougHensel/status/689873651097665536)
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cleverdevil nods
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aaronpk bug report: when the domain has the temporary shared cert, it reports the expiration date as 2026 (which is correct) but still shows it as Let's Encrypt
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cleverdevil yep, I think its a known issue, actually.
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aaronpk cool
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@almereyda @mozboz @redecentralize @dcentproject Isn't Quitter doing it? Or Cimba, IndieWeb, Known? http://gnu.io/social/try/ Twitter down, Tweets gone. (twitter.com/_/status/689882244555640836)
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tantek.com edited /2015-review (-409) "/* IndieWebCampers */ uncomment entries, remove a couple of dupes, fix a UTF8 bug" (view diff)
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tantek if we can links & photos, looks like we have a bunch more in 2015 than we did in 2014 so that's good
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tantek we need a generic image
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tantek ok https://indiewebcamp.com/images/4/4e/indiewebcamp-square.min.png it is
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aaronpk for missing photos?
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aaronpk usually better if it's light grey to avoid grabbing attention away from the actual photos
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KartikPrabhu yup ^
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KartikPrabhu or a blank div with background to avoid image downloads
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tantek disagree - we want bright to make it clear they need fixing
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tantek.com edited /2015-review (+2349) "/* IndieWebCampers */ add placeholder image for those without one, to illustrate difference between no image and borken images that need fixing" (view diff)
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tantek alright that actually looks like a grid now
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tantek now to fix images and links!
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tantek help needed for sure
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snarfed k bridgy publish facebook video support is out now too
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snarfed twitter may take a bit more time, but it's next
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KevinMarks anyone else looked at brave.com yet?
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KevinMarks they seem to have forked 3 different browsers - LinkBubble for android, FF mobile for iOS and Election/Chromium for esktop
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snarfed seems surprising that they forked different base browsers for each when ff and chrome are on all three
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KevinMarks hah https://twitter.com/darylginn/status/689642167820795904
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@darylginn Responsive design [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/689642167820795904)
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@kylewmahan Moving https://kylewm.com/ to Known #indieweb https://kylewm.com/2016/01/moving-kylewmcom-to-known-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/689905462033014784)
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@tinokremer Do you create things online? Get your own site, I totally agree! #indieweb #openweb http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html (twitter.com/_/status/689908758840000512)
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@davidmead RT @tinokremer Do you create things online? Get your own site, I totally agree! #indieweb #openweb http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html (twitter.com/_/status/689908868533485568)
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aaronpk kylewm: whoa!
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snarfed kylewm: whoa indeed!!!
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snarfed congrats on the move and announcement! oh man, so many questions... :P
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kylewm hehe, ask away :)
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jgarber kylewm: Congratulations!
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jgarber snarfed: A few days ago, I connected my Flickr and Instagram accounts to Bridgy and it's not showing that my site has been crawled. Meanwhile, my existing Facebook and Twitter connections to Bridgy show that my site is being crawled regularly. Any ideas?
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snarfed i'm obviously pretty outspoken about not building my own CMS, so no surprise that i'm congratulating you, i guess :P
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snarfed and lancey (and others?) still uses redwind at least
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snarfed kylewm: my main two q's so far: will you posse with known plugins or silo.pub or both? and how did the import go?
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snarfed jgarber: got your flickr and instagram bridgy user page urls handy?
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jgarber snarfed: I do! https://brid.gy/flickr/72685908@N00 and https://brid.gy/instagram/jgarber
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jgarber snarfed: I have several photos on my homepage that are marked up as h-entry and their permalink pages (on my site) should have proper rel-syndication links to the silo'd versions.
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jgarber snarfed: So I _think_ I should have things marked up properly on my site for Bridgy to crawl my homepage, find the photo permalink pages, and find the rel-syndication links.
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kylewm snarfed: probably with known directly, since it has plugins for the things i want to posse. the import was a little rough, wrote lots of code in both languages. but the data models are obviously similar so it wasn't anything too crazy
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snarfed you and aaronpk should compare notes. you both had/have some of the broadest indieweb functionality, so your current migrations are some of the biggest and most involved in recent memory
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snarfed i'd love to read/listen to a compare and contrast conversation, both technical details and philosophies
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kylewm well, I did mine in the hackiest way possible; aaronpk used it as an opportunity to add and improve his micropub implementation. so i think he probably has lots more to say of value/interest ;P
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snarfed eh even just comparing hack vs in depth afterward, with some distance, to see how happy each of you are with the ROI, etc, would be fun
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snarfed jgarber: that "last crawled" indicator on your user pages may be misleading. i suspect we've lightly crawled your site, just not deeply yet, which is what it's referring to
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snarfed still looking
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kylewm snarfed: jgarber has multiple h-feeds on his page, I suspect Bridgy doesn't handle that
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jgarber snarfed: Ah, okay. If it's helpful, here are my Twitter and Facebook Bridgy URLs: https://brid.gy/twitter/jgarber and https://brid.gy/facebook/695127342
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aaronpk it's pretty ridiculous how much time i've spent on this project
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jgarber kylewm: Right, I was wondering if multiple h-feeds on the page would be an issue.
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aaronpk maybe I should give up now and switch to Known ;-)
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kylewm (oh yeah, re ROI, it's entirely possible I'll switch back in a month ... running a website has always been about changing the software that runs it more than writing content for it, for me)
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snarfed kylewm: jgarber has a point, his tw and fb user pages show we've refetched them before
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kylewm yeah original_post_discovery definitelyjust searches the first h-feed
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jgarber snarfed: I've tried manually retrying one of the items in the Instagram responses list ("A detail from Patrick Dougherty's conribution…") and it doesn't find any webmention targets.
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jgarber kylewm: That'd do it then, my photos h-feed is the third on the page after posts and links.
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jgarber The general pattern I've seen is to have a single, intermingled h-feed of recent activity on one's homepage but… is that a strict requirement?
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snarfed not a mf2 reqt afaik
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snarfed and not a bridgy reqt either, just what's currently implemented
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kylewm I'll fix
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jgarber Where might I submit a feature request? ;)
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jgarber kylewm: Awesome, thanks!
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jgarber Anything I could/should do to help out?
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snarfed jgarber: thanks! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues (in https://brid.gy/#footer :P)
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jgarber snarfed: ON IT!
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snarfed kylewm: interesting. we actually fetch all rel=feed links: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/original_post_discovery.py#L259
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snarfed but only the first h-feed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/original_post_discovery.py#L385
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snarfed anyway, you're probably ahead of me
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jgarber snarfed & kylewm: Issue filed => https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/607
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jgarber Somewhat hastily written so let me know if it lacks detail or anything
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snarfed thanks! np
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KevinMarks it's This Week in Google time, so feed me things to talk about
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snarfed be honest though kylewm, you really just wanted to retire https://github.com/kylewm/redwind at 1337 commits, right? :P
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kylewm loooool
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kylewm snarfed: when this change goes in, do we expect it to work right away, or not until it does a refetch?
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kylewm snarfed++ also, nicely done on video publishing!
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed i think not until refetch or it sees new responses that trigger OPD
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snarfed oh or someone clicks the crawl now button :P
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jgarber Looking for a willing test subject? ;)
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@kloptbaze Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/?utm_source=html5weekly&utm_medium=email (twitter.com/_/status/689922450625265664)
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kylewm snarfed: i guess Crawl Now isn't refetching
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snarfed yeah it has a silly html bug. fixing now
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kylewm and i had it timeout doing all the stpuid Flickr fetches it has to do
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snarfed aww
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snarfed fixed
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snarfed looking good: https://brid.gy/instagram/jgarber
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snarfed thanks kylewm!
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kylewm woohoo
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@invispide Webmention - IndieWebCamp https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention @IndieWebCampUK https://twitter.com/kloptbaze/status/689922450625265664 (twitter.com/_/status/689932330455162881)
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@invispide RT @aaronpk Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/689932449867026432)
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tantek kylewm: what happens to Red Wind?
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tantek still has a few other users right? are you providing conversion export/import scripts for Known, or ... ?
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tantek BTW - since the free hosted Known option has been put on hold, I'm wondering what's the easiest "get started on the indieweb" solution to steer beginners to
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tantek Tumblr with domain aliasing?
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jgarber snarfed & kylewm: Saw a bunch of webmentions come in from Bridgy (Instagram comments/likes) so things are looking good! Thanks again for the quick help!
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tantek jgarber: remind me what CMS are you using?
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snarfed welcome!
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snarfed jgarber: feel free to click crawl now on your bridgy flickr page too, should do the same thing
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jgarber tantek: Don't tell anyone, but I _just_ re-launched my site on FrancisCMS (home-grown Rails thing). Been kicking the tires this week and intend to write a blog post and update my user page.
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tantek (he says into the public logs)
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tantek jgarber: awesome! homegrown++
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tantek rather
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tantek homegrown++
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jgarber tantek: Shhhhhh ;)
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tantek what is FrancisCMS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FrancisCMS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bu
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jgarber Why, yes I would, Loqi.
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sixtwothree.org created /FrancisCMS (+86) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453329505188" (view diff)
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jgarber :pointsup: Will round that out some more tonight.
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jgarber snarfed: Flickr's crawling now, too. Looking good!
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aaronpk oh what happened to free hosted Known?
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snarfed kylewm++ pretty impressive job on the site migration. eg https://kylewm.com/?offset=8000
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gRegorLove aaronpk: withknown.com?
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gRegorLove Oh, huh. I see there's no free option on the sign up page
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tantek aaronpk, gRegorLove I believe the explanation was something like, spammers had figured out how to automate (script) creation of new withknown accounts.
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KevinMarks hm, cleverdevil, could dreamhost offer easy withknown install?
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cleverdevil I'd love to!
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cleverdevil just haven't gotten around to it.
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cleverdevil its already pretty easy to install on DreamHost, though :)
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KevinMarks I think ben would be up for it
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cleverdevil we've discussed it.
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tantek would that be like an auto-updated install?
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tantek speaking of...
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tantek welcome benwerd!
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cleverdevil it would be a "one click" install.
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cleverdevil basically, a pre-bundled version that users can click on to install.
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cleverdevil we do auto-upgrades for WordPress for our one-click
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cleverdevil not sure we'd do it for Known or not.
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cleverdevil but, honestly, Known is a hell of a lot easier to upgrade than WordPress :)
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aaronpk what are the criteria for getting a project accepted into the Dreamhost "one-click" installer?
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cleverdevil I wouldn't say its cut and dry. Mostly, its a matter of putting time/effort into it, which means something that users care about, or will help us acquire customers.
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cleverdevil if a ton of people ask for something, we usually make it happen.
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cleverdevil I currently run Known for my personal site on an unmanaged VM on our cloud service.
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cleverdevil works great!
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kylewm tantek: I think I will declare Red Wind "feature complete"; I think lancey is the only active user of it at this point
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tantek how did you transfer your data over to Known?
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kylewm wrote a script to export the data from redwind as json, and another to import to known
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tantek any particular json format? like was it (close to) jf2?
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tantek and then how did you transfer images?
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kylewm tantek: not intentionally jf2, but it probably bears a passing resemblance (e.g., https://kylewm.com/export/2016-01-posts.json)
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kylewm images I basically just took all the attachments from my posts and added them to Photo posts in Known and it resized them and stuff
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kylewm and I wrote a patch for Known that does permalinks the way I like (YYYY/MM/slug) and a plugin for likes and reposts, so I could keep those
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kylewm since the Known Like plugin is geared more toward bookmarks
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Loqi [bridgy] cassie replied '@t @aaronpk awesome!! I’m so looking forward to it, had a blast last year ☺️' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/myriadmystic/status/689945182402387973)
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gRegorLove Nice work, kylewm. How long did it take start to finish?
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kylewm umm, I think like 4 days, a little bit at a time
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kylewm and thank you :)
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cleverdevil Known is actually a pleasure to work with, from a code perspective.
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kylewm agreed
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cleverdevil I hadn't written PHP in nearly a decade, and was able to quickly pick up Known.
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cleverdevil and that's saying something, considering PHP can be a nightmare :)
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kylewm it is not the PHP I remember
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aaronpk PHP isn't the PHP you remember. it's gotten a lot better.
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kylewm oh right, that's what I mean!
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aaronpk it actually makes me less willing to write in other languages now, since it's no longer limiting and/or ugly, and still has the benefit of being easy to deploy and runs almost everywhere
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cleverdevil I'm still not good enough with it to do some of the things that I'd like to do with Known
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cleverdevil like POSSE for my Reviews plugin to places like GoodReads, IMDB, RottenTomatoes, etc.
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cleverdevil and for my Recipes plugin to other sites as well.