#indiewebcamp 2016-01-19

2016-01-19 UTC
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aaronpk working on adding redirects for all my old URLs now
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aaronpk have to keep the really old redirects in place too. man i had some bad ideas for permalink structure in the past
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tantek hopefully you've written them down for others to avoid in the future ;)
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aaronpk what is url design?
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design
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aaronpk hm not sure where to share personal anecdotes
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tantek add a Perspectives and experience section
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tantek I think other pages have a perspective section where it's clear people are whole-heartedly expressing what they know are likely outspoken personal opinions
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tantek.com edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+575) "/* RSVP */ I'll be there!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/MIT (+0) "TOC higher up" (view diff)
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hawke.org sandro edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+515) "/* Participants */ added myself, fixed counter" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/MIT (+120) "/* URLs */ need indie event, FB POSSE copy, Lanyrd event" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /URL_design (+1418) "add personal experience" (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: indieauth.com uses e-mail rel=me links only for persona (and doesn't send codes, like the SMS-stuff does), correct?
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aaronpk sknebel: currently it uses persona yeah. I'm going to have to switch it to email a code in the near future though
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sknebel aaronpk: ok, just wanted to make sure I interpreted it correctly, the documentation isn't very clear on the options
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aaronpk out of curiousity, where would you have expected to read something about that?
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sknebel https://indieauth.com/setup lists the email rel=me, but not what it is for
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aaronpk cool, thanks. i'll make a note about that
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[shaners] tantek: I guess I just added /events when I re-launched veganstriaghtedge.com with Dark Matter on 2016-01-10. I forgot that my old site didn’t have them.
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[shaners] Adding to wiki
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tantek.com edited /bitcoin (+313) "Numerous unresolvable scaling issues" (view diff)
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sknebel I got a bit confused since the list of providers on the front page seemed incomplete (which I just discovered was my aggressive adblocker), so I went to GitHub to check in the source
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snarfed finished porting https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ from API to scraping HTML :(
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snarfed milestone: of my four silo atom feed onverters, only https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ still uses an API
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snarfed (and it's still kinda painful since users have to generate their own API app)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /event (+329) "/* Shane Becker */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:rhiaro (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:t (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:aaronpk (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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[shaners] aaronpk: is there a way to get a list of all of the templates on the wiki?
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[shaners] secondarily, is there a way to bulk edit a lot of templates at once?
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@t Dear friends who still hold some #bitcoin, Time to sell & move on https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 More https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (ttk.me t4fJ2) (twitter.com/_/status/689254542668509185)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:jeena (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /event (-28) "/* Aaron Parecki */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:benwerd (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /event (-20) "/* Ben Werdmuller */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Template:snarfed (+1) "added space for readability" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /event (-21) "/* POSSE */" (view diff)
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@VinceDaily RT @t Dear friends who still hold some #bitcoin, Time to sell & move on https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 More https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (ttk.me t4fJ2) (twitter.com/_/status/689255793087098880)
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aaronpk [shaners]: no bulk edit. what are you doing?
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[shaners] fixing people’s template’s as i see them with image and text smushed together.
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tantek shaners - might be a problem with your browser?
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aaronpk I could also fix that with CSS
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[shaners] I mean, it might be the browser, but it’s fixed with a space character between the image and text.
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tantek aaronpk: I think we don't want any extra space in the sparkline template because it is supposed to be used for things "like" characters that can be adjacent without sapce
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tantek shaners - yeah, seems fine so no big either way
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&namespace=10
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[shaners] text directly adjacent to image looks bad and hurts readability. having just 1px made it better.
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[shaners] thx
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aaronpk also remember the "minor edit" checkbox suppresses the IRC notification
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aaronpk and to be fair, adding a single space character is a pretty minor edit
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[shaners] Yeah. Sorry. I’m still learning to remember that one.
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[shaners] tantek: if you want to see the difference with/out the space, edit apk’s template and remove the space. you can preview it and see the difference. https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:aaronpk
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tantek shaners, I'm probably too used to seeing it without the space which seemed fine to me.
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[shaners] ok
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miklb CSS would seem easier
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Loqi [bridgy] 唐婉之 commented 'MMM global community of mutual assistance in the magic of the platform and the p...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083476627933)
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kylewm is that spam?
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[kevinmarks] Interesting http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/18/why-big-companies-keep-failing-the-stack-fallacy/
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kylewm lots of scratch-your-own-itch/self-dogfooding stuff in that article
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tantek lololol that random FB comment made it in here
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tantek well done Bridgy!
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tantek Bridgy++
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Loqi Bridgy has 34 karma
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tantek kylewm that comment, I just don't know it's too funny
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tantek Can't tell if spam or some secret steganographic message for people "listening" on #bitcoin related posts
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tantek hey how does this sound?
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tantek IndieWebCamp NYC is a two-day maker event for creating and/or improving your personal website. All levels welcome!
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tantek GWG, aaronpk, other IWC co-organiziners ^^^ (and those who've never been - does that sound appealing/welcoming/useful?)
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KartikPrabhu is the "maker event" supposed to connote something?
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KartikPrabhu as opposed to "event" ?
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tantek yes
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tantek events by default are broadcast / consume
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tantek people show up, sit in a chair, listen, maybe social/eat/drink, leave
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KartikPrabhu oh ok. wasn't aware of this terminology
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tantek you were not aware of "maker" terminology?
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tantek seriously?
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KartikPrabhu no, not in terms of "events"
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KartikPrabhu I am not in the "tech" circles ;)
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tantek what, that most events are passive?
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sknebel "hands-on"? "maker" is in my mind too strongly connected to make magazine and their stuff, good and bad
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tantek that's not a tech circle thing
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tantek I don't mind re-purposing maker from make magazine - they don't own it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I know most events are passive, but I didn't know "maker event" was used for participatory events
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bear maker == lab; in my mind - it shows that you are not just going to sit and listen to someone talk about *their* experience but rather you will also get a chance to participate
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tantek more than participatory - should signal that you'll actually have the opportunity/ encouragement to create something
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tantek anything "hack" or "dev" or "build" gives too much of a developer/engineer focus (or implied requirement)
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tantek have heard that feedback many times, so trying a different variant
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bear agree that hack/dev/build are overloaded and carry (now) negative connotations
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KartikPrabhu agreed in that bit ^
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+95) "update dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+13) "/* Schedule */ make rather than implement" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] There is some pushback on maker too http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/why-i-am-not-a-maker/384767/
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tantek writing is a form of making
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bear that article is making the assumption (or has a bias that) making is a wholly physical/consumptive act IMO and completely ignores the fact that teaching is creative/maker and in order to even begin to criticize you would first have to have been a creator
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kylewm the jump from making to "making a product to sell" is too big to take that article seriously
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tantek agreed
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tantek making is the best way to teach and learn
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kylewm bear++
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Loqi bear has 96 karma
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tantek the caregiving point is a good one though
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bear I do like the over all point the person was trying to make - that in the past makers were a boys club and we should strive to avoid that in the future
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bear and that making a nurturing environment should be given the same weight as making something physical
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tantek I'd say more
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bear nods
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tantek making environments is even more challenging
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tantek than just "stuff"
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tantek or "art"
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bear yes, making environments requires you to take your skills from self to self+others
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tantek and use a lot of empathy
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tantek much more than just empathy for ux
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bear compassion and empathy are the critical path skills for that - completely agree
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bear my dad always taught me - if you *think* you have mastered a skill, try to teach it to someone else
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bear only then will you truly have mastered it
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snarfed tantek: did you ask about bridgy publish video support earlier because you're hoping to use it
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snarfed ?
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tantek yes!
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tantek and I may even hack some private-source hashtag auto-markup as part of it
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tantek private source because it would only work for my current data set and I wouldn't want the source to propagate.
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tantek Bridgy publish video support specifically to Flickr
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snarfed cool!
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tantek since that should theoretically be easier than Twitter or FB? but I'm not sure
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tantek I'm just guessing
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snarfed not sure yet
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snarfed i suspect they're pretty equivalent, but don't know
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snarfed which would you use?
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tantek I would use all three
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snarfed thx
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tantek right now I'm automatically POSSEing photos to Twitter & FB because of that support, and just manually POSSEd (via Bridgy UI) a photo to Flickr to test it
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tantek I've been manually POSSEing videos to Twitter (using their iOS app)
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snarfed man i have zero experience w/videos on silos other than youtube
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snarfed never posted, watched maybe one on twitter, that's it
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tantek so much toxicity on Youtube, I never want to post there
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tantek nevermind their takedown / re-ownership policies
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tantek already documented on the wiki
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[shaners] What does this mean?
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[shaners] "activities represent actions associated with posts” on https://indiewebcamp.com/activities
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tantek checks history
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tantek finds he has only himself to blame.
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tantek sigh.
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[shaners] I was trying to edit it down. But was having trouble understanding what was there.
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tantek it's a definition of activities as was intended by the activitystreams understanding (still existing), and subsequently critiqued.
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tantek the term "activity" in the context of the social web is forever lost to jargon
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[shaners] Nothing is lost to jargon forever. :wink:
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[kevinmarks] Activity Streams were like standardised log files
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tantek shaners, I like your optimism. Thank you.
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[shaners] I know what Activity Streams are. I was confused by "activities represent actions associated with posts” on the wiki.
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tantek hmm, what was I thinking last May 20th
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Loqi [bridgy] 戴江赟 commented 'MMM global community of mutual assistance in the magic of the platform and the p...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083535450053)
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tantek again?
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tantek shaners, context: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-20#t1432135572630
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tantek in response to http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/05/generating
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tantek.com edited /activities (+141) "note AS context, related URLs" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Were you reframing as web actions?
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[shaners] kevinmarks: who are you asking that to?
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tantek KevinMarks: no see links I shared with shaners
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[shaners] tantek: thanks for the context
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[aaronpk] Anyone have tips on tracking 404 URLs on their sites? I want to monitor requests that result in 404s for a while after I launch this change
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[shaners] aaronpk: what do you use to watch your logs?
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[aaronpk] Watch what now?
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tantek gets the virtual popcorn
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[shaners] hahaha
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[shaners] I wish there was a bit i could flip when using the pin13 mf2 parser so that it would *not* escape slashes :confused:
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[shaners] http:\/\/ is real noisy to read in JSON (which is already noisy)
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[aaronpk] I use a browser plugin which pretty prints the json and makes the nodes collapsible and it also hides that
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[shaners] which plugin is that?
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[shaners] if you dont mind...
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tantek what is JSON?
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Loqi JSON (abbreviation for JavaScript Object Notation) is a data serialization format often used by HTTP APIs, growing in popularity instead of XML, and also the canonical output of microformats2 parsers https://indiewebcamp.com/JSON
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tantek maybe add the plugin (link) to ^^^ ?
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aaronpk https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jsonview/chklaanhfefbnpoihckbnefhakgolnmc
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aaronparecki.com edited /JSON (+138) "/* Resources */" (view diff)
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna write a little script that parses my nginx error log to find 404s
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bear [aaronpk] if you use nginx then alter it to spit out json formatted logs and then use jq to filter
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aaronpk i really do need to clean up my nginx log situation and set up logrotate and such
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Loqi [bridgy] Kimberley Hung commented 'Bitcoin Series: Crowdfunding Crowdfunding will shape the way we see and create ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083550769353)
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bear jq '. | seelct(.status_code == "404")' ...
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tantek what is a log?
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bear if you set log rotate for hourly then you can add the jq bash to the script that log rotate runs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "log" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bn
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aaronpk I think I want weekly emails with a list of 404'd URLs
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veganstraightedge.com edited /JSON (+140) "/* Add Safari browser extension */" (view diff)
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tantek hilarious series of spam comments
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[shaners] Is anyone using `<meta name=“generator”` in their homegrown software (Falcon, p3k, etc)?
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tantek what is meta name?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meta name" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bo
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tantek meta name was a hopeless attempt at encouraging web authors to publish invisible (meta)data which suffered from numerous problems from template copypasta, to typos, to spam, to inevitable rot with the passage of time.
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loqi.me created /meta_name (+244) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-18/line/1453171733670 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[shaners] Tantek: You just tanteked a thing I *wasn’t* talking about.
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[shaners] I was asking about the `generator` meta tag in particular.
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tantek has anyone seen any software that consume meta name generator?
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[shaners] For example, Wordpress/Automattic uses it to estimate how WP sites are out in the wild.
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tantek shaners, why wiki a specific instance when you can critique an entire approach?
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[shaners] Why wiki it at all?
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[kevinmarks] The positive side of it was twitter's old model of linking to the tools that created the tweets
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aaronpk that wasn't using meta name
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aaronpk it was visible
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tantek shaners to mark dead territory
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/giving-credit#Crediting_Applications
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[shaners] So… I guess the answer to my question is that no, you’re not using meta[name=generator] for Falcon or p3K?
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[shaners] Giving credit is not the same thing as counting instances in the wild
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tantek shaners, a while ago I decided it wasn't worth using markup that nothing bothered to consume or do anything with
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tantek wasted bytes
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tantek '
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[shaners] kevinmarks: do you know if Known has a generator meta tag?
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aaronpk yes, I was pointing out that meta name=generator is different from twitter's "via" indicator
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[shaners] gotcha
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miklb fwiw I think WP uses a different method to count sites these days.
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[shaners] ORLY?
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miklb I could be wrong, but with their automatic updates and a small phone home
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miklb Automattic counts sites not on wp.com that install their jetpack app which also has a phone home
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[shaners] Matt Mullenweg’s site (ma.tt) has two different generator references.
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[shaners] <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 4.5-alpha-1453085953122" />
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[shaners] <a href="http://wordpress.org/" rel="generator">Proudly powered by WordPress</a>
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[shaners] I can’t imagine that they *only* count WP.org sites that use jetpack. Their count would be much smaller than 25%.
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miklb no, but WP !=Automattic
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[shaners] Nevermind. None of this matters. Was just curious if any other indieweb folks were using it.
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tantek waits for the Bridgy notification of a comment on that thread
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[shaners] Bitcoin is a watch word.
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tantek Kevinmarks that Atlantic article is a sad sad "glass is half empty" soulless strawman rant. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/why-i-am-not-a-maker/384767/
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik commented 'My #bitcoin brings all the spambots to the Facebook, And they’re like It’s mo...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083582121523)
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tantek there we go
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[kevinmarks] Deb is teaching engineering and building a great institution
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tantek hmm - sounds like making
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Loqi [bridgy] 王慧芬 commented 'Thanks MMM Global to provide such platform of Mutual aid society. It is a unique...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083605394883)
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kylewm Known sends an X-Powered-By header, not sure about meta generator
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kylewm yes also has generator "Known https://withknown.com"
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kylewm what is a watch word?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "watch word" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bp
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[shaners] kylewm: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/VeronicaMarsS02E01NormalIsTheWatchword :wink:
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Loqi [bridgy] Kemika Saiphonklang commented 'Thank MMM Global very much for make money 100% per month we will change the worl...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083610509633)
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KartikPrabhu tantek's post is very popular! ;)
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Loqi [bridgy] 欧春辉 commented '谢谢马夫罗全球提供社会互助的平台。这是一个独特的平台，只要每天做任务几分钟通过MMM的额外程序月赚100% #HashTags: #MMM #Dogecoin ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083680344683)
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@js_wilkins @veganstraightedge I’m going to be in LA for a spell and would love to chat Indieweb / Dark Matter. (twitter.com/_/status/689310550187061252)
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[shaners] Whoa. That’s never happened before.
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tantek has anyone else been experimenting with Bridgy POSSE to FB with person-tags?
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tantek there was some evidence that using numeric userid FB profile URLs worked even without people signing into FB
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Loqi [bridgy] 庞诚 commented '感谢3M平台的创始人--伟大的马夫罗帝先生，希望广大同仁诚信以待，讲求规则，共同维护3M平台的公信力和铁规则，让3M造福于更广大的、像我们一样善良平凡的人们，让...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102083762849343)
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KartikPrabhu oh boy! does that count as spamming the channel? ;)
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bear !tell aaronpk I worked up a python script to parse nginx logs and generate json blogs so they can be passed to jq for filter -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2016/019/working-with-nginx-logs-from-bash.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear.im edited /User:Bear.im (+51) "add logs.py to projects list" (view diff)
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bear s/json blogs/json blobs/
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Loqi bear meant to say: !tell aaronpk I worked up a python script to parse nginx logs and generate json blobs so they can be passed to jq for filter -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2016/019/working-with-nginx-logs-from-bash.html
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acegiak hey all
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GWG Hello
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acegiak GWG: I don't know if you've seen but I'm now making liberal use of the watch kind
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GWG Liberal?
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/kind/watch/
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acegiak I've got a plugin reading my youtube watch history and copying it to my blog
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GWG That seems to be intended use.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: lol
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tantek what is a watch kind?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "watch kind" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bq
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GWG tantek: It is like a listen kind or a read kind.
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GWG It is equivalent of the scrobble concept.
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@kevinmarks @gnat @bentorkington @Pinboard how about indieweb stuff? (twitter.com/_/status/689352879044321280)
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Loqi [bridgy] Adu Flipper Yeboah commented 'MMM EXTRA is a very great platform. It offer us a good chance to earn money. H...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102084019614783)
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Loqi [bridgy] Nosina Hemalatha commented 'thanks to the MMM EXTRA program i love mmm all ppl join me! #BTC #money #bank' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102084019245523)
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@jlamande RT @t Dear friends who still hold some #bitcoin, Time to sell & move on https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 More https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (ttk.me t4fJ2) (twitter.com/_/status/689361387181772800)
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endi It was still fun to fire up those Butterfly Labs ASICs and mine like .1 BTC a month! :p
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tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm weird. Looks like *none* of the person-tags (not even myself) made it through via Bridgy Publish photo to FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102083967065093 (note all person-tags were added later by someone else)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Sebsel Twitter is down... usually I search for the name of the service to see if others are having troubles too, but that's impossible now. Good excuse to work on my own site :)
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[tantek] Sebsel https://twitter.com/support/status/689366990457171968
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@Support Some users are currently experiencing problems accessing Twitter. We are aware of the issue and are working towards a resolution. (twitter.com/_/status/689366990457171968)
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[tantek] Let's see if loqi is affected.
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Sebsel Yeah, I thought it was worth mentioning, but it seems they had problems earlier this month too.
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Sebsel They use Tumblr on status.twitter.com for that...
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Sebsel And without a proper IndieReader, it's still a problem when Twitter is down ;)
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petermolnar ah, so that's why my twitter-to-rss timed out
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bear twitter is working for me thru my stream client
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petermolnar HTTPS troubleshooting guide: http://webappsec-test.info/~bhill2/DifferentTakeOnOE.html
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@ant_Ti RT @t The @W3C published Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ a key #indieweb & #federation building block. ... http://tantek.com/2016/013/t1/w3c-webmention-web-federation-building-block (twitter.com/_/status/689407667740147712)
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@daniela_r RT @t Dear friends who still hold some #bitcoin, Time to sell & move on https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 More https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (ttk.me t4fJ2) (twitter.com/_/status/689421184413237249)
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@VSChawathe RT @t Dear friends who still hold some #bitcoin, Time to sell & move on https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7 More https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (ttk.me t4fJ2) (twitter.com/_/status/689421786354614273)
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Loqi [bridgy] Mthobisi Nxumalo commented 'Bravo and thanx to MMM extra#MMM#Bitcoins#Money#Bank' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102084149739013)
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Loqi [bridgy] Van Vanessa commented 'thanks to the MMM EXTRA program i love mmm all ppl join me! #MMM #Dogecoin #Lite...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102084147034433)
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@freebitcoins4u2 Free #bitcoin @ http://free-bitcoin-faucets.mywebcommunity.org/ bitcoin https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjlkMjI1NjUyODE3ODFjMDQ6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGa6UWsBjNleHX8HJmxqvZsxywcCQ (twitter.com/_/status/689403148671156224)
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jgmac1106 trying to rsvp to indiewebcamp nyc but for some reason my indieauth is all screwed up. I can never get to work.
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jgmac1106 Though I added the rel=“me” everywhere on jgregorymcverry.com and have link backs on Twitter
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jgmac1106 twitter.com//jgmac1106
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petermolnar jgmac1106 what are you experiencing exactly,
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petermolnar ?
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@jgmac1106 IndieWebCamp NYC - Aaron Parecki https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/01/22/1/indiewebcamp excited to attend the Friday of #indiewebcamp http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2016/indiewebcamp-nyc---aaron-parecki-events201601221indiewebcamp-excited-to-attend-the (twitter.com/_/status/689453946331537408)
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar jgmac1106 rel="me" href should point to your github
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petermolnar or twitter
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petermolnar not to your url
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petermolnar example: <a rel="me" class="url u-url" href="https://twitter.com/petermolnar" title="Peter Molnar @ twitter">twitter</a>
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petermolnar so your site links to your twitter with rel="me", and your twitter links to your site
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petermolnar this is how it should be
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petermolnar right now, your twitter links to your site, and your site rel="me" to your site
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petermolnar not circle there
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jgmac1106 <div class="grid one-half last">
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jgmac1106 <ul class="social-links"><li><a rel="nofollow" class="social-tooltip" title="Twitter" href="http://twitter.com/jgmac1106" target="Array"><i class="fa fa-twitter" ></i></a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" class="social-tooltip" title="Facebook" href="https://www.facebook.com/j.gregory.mcverry" target="Array"><i class="fa fa-facebook-official" ></i></a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" class="social-tooltip" title="YouTube"
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jgmac1106 href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCixarLCTb79GMQ2mGZpnvhQ" ><i class="fa fa-youtube-play" ></i></a></li><li><a rel="nofollow" class="social-tooltip" title="Google Plus" href="https://plus.google.com/+GregMcverry" target="Array"><i class="fa fa-google-plus-square" ></i></a></li></ul> </div>
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petermolnar there is no rel="me" in those links
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jgmac1106 no sure how the rel=nofollow happened, maybe a plug in or somethign but I thought I had re;=me
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petermolnar a little help: http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2F
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jgmac1106 yeah weired I never changed them to “no follow” that I remember,
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jgmac1106 thanks for help peter. I think it is stupid wordpress editor. If it opens in the visual editor everythign gets stripped away and then when I switch over to text I am left with: <div style="text-align: center;"><i class="fa fa-twitter fa-4x"></i><i class="fa fa-google-plus fa-4x"></i><i class="fa fa-github fa-4x"></i><i class="fa fa-medium fa-4x"></i>
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petermolnar jgmac1106 do you have jetpack installed on your WP?
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jgmac1106 pisses me off so much. Everytime I edit my front page I lose all my stuff. Yes to Jetpack
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petermolnar it has an extension to use markdown instead of html
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petermolnar so if you don't need too fancy content you might want to turn off the visual editor and enable the markdown support via jetpack
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petermolnar but it has limitations
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jgmac1106 meaning I would have to also learn markdown, and then I would take away everyone’s ability to give me dirty looks for writing in html
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petermolnar the second is not an issue, the first is a pretty minor thing
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petermolnar honestly :)
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jgmac1106 I think I will ditch jetpack anyways just extra bloat I don’t need
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petermolnar that is a good idea
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petermolnar I also use WordPress, but I added a few bits to my theme to parse markdown on the fly, so all my content is in markdown
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petermolnar http://jetpack.me/support/markdown/
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petermolnar this is all you'd need to learn: https://en.support.wordpress.com/markdown-quick-reference/
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jgmac1106 has to be soemthing in my theme causing the issue bc I know I don;t have a social-tooltipl and socila-links, defined in my css sheet, something is taking over
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petermolnar there are plugins to handle it
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jgmac1106 i have all the indieweb plugins installed
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petermolnar https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-parsedown/ - this is mine, but is hadn't been updated for a while
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petermolnar https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-parsedown/
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petermolnar sorry for the duplicate
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jgmac1106 I will do, and nvm on the other code snippet that was in my footer. I just wish wordpress would stop deleting the stuff I add. Will try removing visual editor and biting the bullet on learning markdown….honestly don’t understand all the fuss when I compare the chatacters it doesn’t seem to save that much time
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petermolnar as in html vs markdown?
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jgmac1106 yeah I am just getting the hang of html/css where I can finally break cool stuff and now its like nvm html is lame
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jgmac1106 plus I did the character counts on links and lists and I just don’t see the value add, sure no closing tags saves some typing but not much
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jgmac1106 but I’m grumpy
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jgmac1106 late for work now thx for help Peter, I copied a text mate file of my homepage so I can quickly put back in what Wordpress strips out..until I can get the jetpack/markdown thing figured out
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petermolnar I think I'll create a rel=me plugin
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petermolnar do we have a list of supported rel=me silos for indieauth?
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aaronpk petermolnar: it depends on the implementation. indieauth.com's are documented at http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth.com
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Loqi aaronpk: bear left you a message 9 hours, 13 minutes ago: I worked up a python script to parse nginx logs and generate json blogs so they can be passed to jq for filter -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2016/019/working-with-nginx-logs-from-bash.html http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-18/line/1453182968965
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aaronpk bear++
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@michsch @drublic @btconf Ja, ich bin auch da und wollte auch vorher auf das IndieWebCamp. Ich überlege, ob ich dann dort übernachte. (twitter.com/_/status/689467979080204288)
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GWG petermolnar, what do you need a rel me plugin for?
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@krisshaffer @polarisdotca Here. :) My new theme broke the webmentions for some reason, and I don't want to use Disqus anymore: http://kris.shaffermusic.com//2015/09/blog-privacy/ (twitter.com/_/status/689473370035879936)
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aaronpk snarfed++ nice!
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petermolnar GWG I don't, but apparently, it's harder to set up than it seems due to unforeseen wordpress internal stripping of code
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GWG petermolnar, what features would it have/include if you did?
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petermolnar add fields to profile, tick to auto-add for author page, tick to auto-add to footer
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GWG petermolnar, widgetized?
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petermolnar maybe later
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petermolnar but I could add a wigdet
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GWG petermolnar, I have some rel me features in one of my plugins, but no one noticed. I was thinking of moving them to the Indieweb plugin.
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petermolnar that is not a bad idea
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kylewm tantek: I don't think the Facebook person tags is going to work for people who have never signed up for Bridgy... I don't know why the numeric ID worked for that one guy at HWC though :/
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 54 minutes ago: weird. Looks like *none* of the person-tags (not even myself) made it through via Bridgy Publish photo to FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102083967065093 (note all person-tags were added later by someone else) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453195198801
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kylewm cc snarfed
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GWG The features that I have are embed in head(not visible) and widget with icon.
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petermolnar GWG let me put a snippet together which I believe would be useful
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petermolnar give me 15 mins
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GWG petermolnar, I have nothing but time. I am waiting for the mechanic to finish with my car.
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@tinokremer So, were there issues with Twitter? I haven't noticed, I love the #indieweb, independent websites :) (twitter.com/_/status/689481900608479233)
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petermolnar GWG: http://wpbin.io/9mh18j
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tantek what is My Opera?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "My Opera" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Br
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petermolnar this should be enough to store the fields per user, from the profile page and to get the list of them
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petermolnar widget or auto-add could easily be added from here
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tantek My Opera was a blog, photo, email hosting [[silo]] run by Opera Software that shut down 2014-03-03.
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loqi.me created /My_Opera (+126) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453220525320 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /My_Opera (+106) "citations, linky, see also" (view diff)
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tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm figured I should capture that in the issue for the feature - commented on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459 and reqeusted to re-open to track/fix this apparent regression.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG petermolnar, I had a different design.
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GWG I just gave a text area to put as many urls as you want.
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petermolnar that is neither user, not wordpress friendly in my opinion
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petermolnar this way you can add it to author h-card even in multi-author environment
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GWG So, you want possible hcard functionality.
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petermolnar currently I use a similar functionality from the theme functions to fill up my h-cards
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petermolnar in theory, my site would support multiple authors
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petermolnar and would fall back to user #1
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petermolnar if the author information is not trivial or not present
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GWG Since I am exploring this course of action, I think I could do both
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petermolnar indeed, but to add the data per user, it think the best way is to extend the user meta via the profile page
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kylewm tantek: I don't think it's a regression -- Facebook only lets us work with app-scoped-user-ids; even if we give it real IDs, it ignores them. and the only way Bridgy can know someone's app scoped ID is for them to have signed up for Bridgy
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: figured I should capture that in the issue for the feature - commented on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459 and reqeusted to re-open to track/fix this apparent regression. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453222888789
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GWG petermolnar, there are a lot of potential applications for that. Some already do it for other applications
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GWG If they usually have specific fields, I would want to match the field name
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tantek kylewm: see details in issue. it failed to tag even me and I'm signed up with Bridgy.
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kylewm ah I missed that it didn't tag you, that does seem odd
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petermolnar GWG to be honest, I don't really care of cross-functionality; most of my solutions are scratching my own itches :)
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tantek and whereas previously we noticed that using a numerical profile URL seemed to tag someone that had not even signed up with Bridgy
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kylewm tantek: do you have a link to that photo post? i couldn't find it on your facebook
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kylewm the one that seemed to work with the numeric ID
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tantek yes I added it to the issue
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GWG petermolnar, I have the functionality, so my interest in moving it to the Indieweb plugin is onboarding newcomers.
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tantek oh yeah - that was the last HWC of 2015
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kylewm ah it was this one right http://tantek.com/2015/350/t2/seasons-greetings-homebrew-website-club ?
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tantek right
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kylewm tantek: thanks for being persistent :)
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snarfed fwiw tantek's person tag of himself on http://tantek.com/2016/018/t4/w3cab-meeting-hawaii has his FB user name in the URL, not id
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 17 minutes ago: weird. Looks like *none* of the person-tags (not even myself) made it through via Bridgy Publish photo to FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102083967065093 (note all person-tags were added later by someone else) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453195198801
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 36 minutes ago: figured I should capture that in the issue for the feature - commented on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459 and reqeusted to re-open to track/fix this apparent regression. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453222888789
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snarfed looking at the publish log, always the first place to look when debugging something like this!
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kylewm snarfed: it should have worked with just tantek.com shouldn't it have?
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snarfed kylewm: maybe? regardless, it has https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik , not https://www.facebook.com/tantek.com
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snarfed (for the channel, this bridgy publish log is https://brid.gy/facebook/214611#publishes => top "X hours X minutes ago" link)
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kylewm I mean, it should have worked with just <a class="u-url" href="http://tantek.com"> ...
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tantek right
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tantek that's my point
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tantek none of the methods worked
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snarfed ah right. maybe!
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snarfed looking at the log, this is what we sent to facebook:
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snarfed url=https://scontent-sjc2-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xtf1/t51.2885-15/e35/12407429_887813537998827_121176936_n.jpg&message=One week ago, @W3CAB meeting in #Hawaii. I blame @Nov_Project for the #straightface reflex. #latergram #nofilter\n\n(Originally published at: http://tantek.com/2016/018/t4/w3cab-meeting-hawaii)&tags=[{"tag_uid": "100000802747500"}, {"tag_uid": "735170173"}, {"tag_uid": "214611"}, {"tag_uid": "538464812"}, {"tag_uid": "692216758"}]
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snarfed so that included five person tags
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snarfed so evidently FB rejected them all?
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snarfed (we can load those user ids' profiles to confirm that they're the right people)
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kylewm well 214611 is definitely tantek
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kylewm the tag_uid stuff looks wrong there though
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snarfed i url decoded it :P but it is how FB does some composite params: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.2/user/feed#u_0_1d
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kylewm wild
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snarfed we can double check the format though
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kylewm i was just getting there in the docs :P
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snarfed eh just url encoded json
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snarfed but you're right it does still look suspicious
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tantek what changed since this used to work?
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aaronpk url-encoded json? omg
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snarfed tantek: good question, but nothing occurred to me, otherwise i would have mentioned
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snarfed no worries, we'll figure it out. debugging, whee!
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aaronpk i'm about to publish my first multi-modal trip plan. trains + planes
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kylewm you know, I was surprised when person tags started working without a location... maybe this is a regression/bugfix on facebook's side (ref :"You cannot specify this field without also specifying a place." from https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/user/feed#publish)
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kylewm of course they do not have the same caveat on https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/photo/#Creating
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snarfed huh maybe
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snarfed i'll confirm with FB's docs, but i compared to this FB publish with successful person tags, and it uses the same format: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1447900406&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySwsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiJGh0dHBzOi8vc25hcmZlZC5vcmcvMjAxNS0xMS0xOF9od2NfMgwLEgdQdWJsaXNoGICAgICAgIAKDA
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Loqi [bridgy] Ian Fung commented 'bot baiting is so fun' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102084468250713)
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snarfed ok, so far i don't see that we did anything wrong. we sent the person tags in the right format, which we've used before successfully, and the FB API call returned a 200, which it usually won't do if we get anything wrong.
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snarfed we did get approved for a new FB permission recently, user_actions.news, but that *should* be unrelated
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gRegorLove Hah, the comments on tantek's btc post
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gRegorLove Might be the first time I've seen spam comments on FB. I'm so used to seeing the "friends only" permission on posts.
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tantek snarfed, weird, perhaps I need to try another post?
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tantek what I'm really curious about is why it didn't at least tag me in the photo
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snarfed me too!
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snarfed you could try another, but i'd hate to think this was nondeterministic
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snarfed ime the FB API is usually pretty deterministic. sometimes confusing and complicated, granted, but at least predictable
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snarfed if you want to retry, try re-authing with bridgy first
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tantek ok I think I can do that anyway
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KevinMarks what if you wanted to use flexbox for annoying bootstrap-style columns? http://flexboxgrid.com/
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KevinMarks I think that is close to the opposite of what I want
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snarfed you can also try tagging a post without a photo, that uses a different API call
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@kevinmarks @dickc I know you may be flinching from feeds after feedburner, but why bitmaps? Some fitness tracking work at http://indiewebcamp.com/exercise (twitter.com/_/status/689516601079533568)
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tantek KevinMarks++ for amazing alliteration
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tantek "flinching from feeds"
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tantek snarfed re-authing with bridgy means "Disable" and then "Enable" ?
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snarfed sure!
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aaronpk the timestamps in the two screenshots is pretty funny
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snarfed you'll need to auth for backfeed first, then publish
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tantek there's very few people I recognize here: https://brid.gy/users amazing
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gRegorLove Do tells work to Slack without the brackets, or have to use the brackets?
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tantek without
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aaronpk if they don't work without I will fix it. pretty sure Loqi strips punctuation when matching !tell commands tho
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gRegorLove !tell shaners FYI some of your CSS and loading message is showing up in Woodwind for your photos. http://reader.kylewm.com/?entry=http%3A%2F%2Fveganstraightedge.com%2Fnotes%2F2016%2F01%2F16%2Ftonight-s-dinner-tacocleanse-beverly-hills-c
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek snarfed, looks like I only had to disable listening
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tantek when I clicked the disable button next to publish afterwards I got a "Bridgy user not found" error
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snarfed right. you just need to auth both
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snarfed oh that's not a great experience, i'll think about that
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tantek snarfed: I took notes, feel free to improve: https://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy#How_do_I_re-auth
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snarfed technically you don't need to disable first, you can just re auth directly from the front page. disabling is fine too though
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snarfed so just to confirm, you disabled listen, it redirected back to your user page, you clicked to disable publish, and it showed you "user not found" ?
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tantek maybe? I might have hit back and saw the mixed state?
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tantek it didn't seem to redirect
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tantek just showed a brief yellow JS message at the top
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tantek sorry to see you go I think
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snarfed ah right. it does redirect since it always redoes the silo oauth dance, but probably hard to see
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@kevinmarks @kellan basically what we do at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/689523284136751104)
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tantek what's the p3k server software called?
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snarfed i think used to be just (and maybe still) p3k?
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aaronpk hmm, just "p3k"
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aaronpk hadn't thought about giving it its own name
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tantek.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+162) "/* Unused Names */ Itinerary :)" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ because, of course ;)
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aaronpk haha
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tantek just wants a few shares of P3K Consolidated
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aaronpk oh my
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petermolnar first time ever I want to leave a comment on a tumblr post... apparently, that is not possible. i can like it, repost it, embed it, follow or pm the person, but there is no comment, no pingback, no webmention.
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petermolnar tumblr--
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Loqi tumblr has -2 karma
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tantek petermolnar, commenting on Tumblr is called "repost with note"
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tantek they get a notification of that
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petermolnar sure, but that is not a comment
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tantek that's what Tumblr thinks of as a comment
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tantek by design
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petermolnar broken by design?
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petermolnar eh, nevermind
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snarfed tumblr actually recommends disqus if you want comments
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#disqus
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snarfed wow that led me down an amusing mini rabbit hole. one of their tips on a "lesser known ios app feature":
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snarfed "Smash the cache to free up extra memory on your phone—it should run faster and crash less. Tap the account tab (the human), then "Settings," then smash your cache."
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snarfed ie "engineering iz hard y'all"
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tantek is that for real?
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snarfed evidently
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snarfed https://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/lesser_known_features#%E2%80%9Cios_smash%E2%80%9D
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snarfed (petermolnar: maybe nudge that blog owner to sign up for https://brid.gy/about#blogs :P)
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marcthiele Good evening
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snarfed hey marcthiele
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marcthiele Hello snarfed ;)
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marcthiele Got my email, aaronpk? No train for you then, sorry ;)
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marcthiele I mean, at least not to get to Düsseldorf.
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marcthiele You can, of course, take a train here whenever you want to
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Jeena I know that someone will ask me that, how many people are in the IndieWeb community?
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kylewm Jeena: my best answer is this Twitter list generated from irc-people and events pages: https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/lists/indiewebcamp
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kylewm which could probably use an update!
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tantek speaking of which - could use some help with this: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#IndieWebCampers
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voxpelli kylewm: ping me if you want update help :)
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 21 hours, 7 minutes ago: is "A WebMention Endpoint" seriously the formal name of webmention.herokuapp.com or would you consider a more specifc (less confusing as a general phrase) name? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-18/line/1453157580745
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Loqi voxpelli: kylewm left you a message 21 hours, 6 minutes ago: I propose Voxmention :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-18/line/1453157643102
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tantek heh
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tantek voxpelli: could definitely use update help!
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tantek here's the grid from 2014: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#This_Is_A_Movement
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Jeena Na I think it's much bigger, many people don't have Twitter
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kylewm you're gonna have to qualify your question then :)
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voxpelli Jeena: check irc people
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voxpelli tantek: and regarding name, yes, my endpoint has an un-name kind of and it could do with a better one :)
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tantek ok stubbing with people from 2014 off the top of my head
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tantek voxpelli: what do you think of Voxmention as kylewm suggested? ;)
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snarfed Jeena: another answer is, "thousands"
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voxpelli tantek: maybe, I may have had some other
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snarfed https://brid.gy/#stats says 2725 users right now, and last i heard a number from ben, it was more
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snarfed (er, a number of Known users)
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Jeena yeah I also think it is in the thousends
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tantek I think aaronpk had a # of sign-ins into the wiki too for 2015
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kylewm there's, number of people building stuff, number of people attending events, or number of people using indieweb stuff
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Jeena but 'a couple of thousends' is good enough, thanks!
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tantek.com edited /2015-review (+2143) "/* IndieWebCampers */ stub with code and a few folks from the top of my head from 2014 that also went in 2015, please add more" (view diff)
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tantek voxpelli: if you have a moment, could definitely use help with going through the /2015/ IndieWebCamps and copying over people from their Guest List pages to that grid ^^^
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voxpelli tantek: not really time with that now, but can spider them for Twitter users accounts later :)
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tantek cool
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: last year you somehow were able to fill out the 2014-review grid really efficiently - could you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#IndieWebCampers again this year?
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kylewm voxpelli: that would be awesome if you want to help build up the list
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kylewm do you want the python script I used to build it, or maybe the list of domain names?
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voxpelli The list of domain names eventually, then I use relspider
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bear my stats site can export json of the domains searched now
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kylewm here's the unsanitized list: https://kylewm.com/domains.json
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bear https://indie-stats.com/api/v1/domains
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bear that's the domain list that I am scanning daily
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jeena.net edited /2015-review (+94) "/* IndieWebCampers */ Jeena" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: sure i'll take a look
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aaronpk what in the world
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aaronpk i can't figure out what this means. also it's from a private event so i can't share a sreenshot
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aaronpk maybe i can change al lthe info in chrome inspector and share a fake screenshot
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aaronpk okay has anyone seen this before? https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1586/24487484455_326b7df07d.jpg
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aaronpk It's a post in a private event. I'm friends with "Alice", and I am not friends with "John"
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aaronpk (I changed their names and edited the message text and removed the photo, since this was not a public post)
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aaronpk I'm curious why John's name is greyed out with the little icon next to it
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tantek yes I see this a lot
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aaronpk i've never seen it before. what does it mean?
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tantek that's an indicator that that person was not notified of that reference, can't be notified because the reference is on a post that they do not have access to
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek great capture
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tantek what are private groups?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private groups" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bs
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tantek it's actually any limited context
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is a group?
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Loqi group in the context of the indieweb (also "indie group" or "indie groups") is a place where people can deliberately share content with each other, not necessarily on their own domain (though likely copied from via webmention etc.) https://indiewebcamp.com/group
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tantek a private group is a group where the posts, members, and any other content in the group is only viewable by members of the [[group]], a common social [[silo]] feature (like on [[Facebook]]).
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tantek oops
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gRegorLove I've seen that gray text often when someone leaves a group
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tantek.com created /private_group (+1118) "stub with dfn, why, how tbd, silo examples fb, screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+4) "/* Private Groups */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /private_group (+253) "Perspective and Itches, link to some perspective & brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - there you go: https://indiewebcamp.com/private_group
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tantek private events are basically event-centric private groups
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tantek nothing stops you from continuing to use the private event like it's a group after the event is done. keep posting messages, photos, etc.
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:private-group-notification-example.png]]""
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aaronpk i hope the new upcoming.org supports that!
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tantek.com edited /2015-review (+88) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ and held ??? meetups." (view diff)
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tantek !tell Jeena do you know when the first Göteborg HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell adactio do you know when the first Brighton HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell voxpelli do you know when the first Malmö HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell rhiaro do you know when the first Edinburgh HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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marcthiele Hey tantek, I can add the people who have been in Düsseldorf in May, if that helps
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marcthiele I mean to the grid …
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tantek marcthiele: that would be a huge help!!
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tantek thank you!!
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marcthiele tantek: will do this in the morning of tomorrow. Hope that is ok. Too tired right now ;)
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tantek absolutely. rest well! :)
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marcthiele Cheers
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@hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689559468477157377)
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@Pen_Bird RT @hatzisKOstas Is #facebook and #google dead by 2017? site-deaths - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths?utm_content=buffer7e5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/hatzisKOstas/status/689559468477157377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/689559597422489600)
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@miklb @AaronGustafson I’m sure you’re a busy guy, just wondering if you have plans to update Jekyll webmention plugin for 3.x? Throwing exception (twitter.com/_/status/689561471555080192)
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miklb man that freaks me out :-D
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voxpelli tantek: first was http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club and then there were two after that
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: do you know when the first Malmö HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453238113127
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voxpelli Don't have time to update it today :/ Just about to head to sleep
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+5) "/* Roles */ Lara has food figured out" (view diff)
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snarfed wow. tantek's @t mention problem on twitter really is no joke. wm.io has collected >10k wms to his home page
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snarfed (not all twitter user mentions, but i expect most)
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snarfed aaronpk++ btw for letting me blithely fetch 14MB from wmio with ?perPage=99999 :P
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Loqi aaronpk has 57 karma
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snarfed hardening++ also :P
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Loqi hardening has 1 karma
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk haha I'm kind of surprised that actually worked
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snarfed (his bridgy user page only shows the last 10, but it's usually still a mess :P https://brid.gy/twitter/t )
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[kevinmarks] Is there a vouch-like use case here? Tantek following them or @ replying on twitter would be a vouch equivalent
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tantek snarfed, I'm sure @taylorswift13 has it much worse
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snarfed i'm not sure actually, twitter sinks a fair amount of eng effort into special tools for celebs and other big users
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snarfed and a bit different since hers are mostly intentional, unlike yours...but still interesting
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[kevinmarks] They have verified-only replies mode
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tantek Perhaps "verified" (blue checkmark) users get some additional tools
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kylewm it was interesting that they removed someone's verified status as punishment for bad behavior last week or so
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tantek o rly
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tantek applebees?
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kylewm lol no
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tantek didn't we post about this?
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kylewm about applebees harrassing that person?
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tantek yes
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tantek why can't I find that post now
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tantek aaronpk: search box on IRC logs gives security warning FYI
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aaronpk wat. it just goes to google
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tantek probably cross-security something seomthing
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tantek https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/662113208828887041
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: then we looked at the least popular emoji and found Applebees trolling a PhD student 🍎🐝https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662034582607421440 tip @techmeme (twitter.com/_/status/662113208828887041)
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aaronpk oh it's an http URL from an https site. interesting, haven't seen that happen before
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tantek try it in firefox
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tantek if you want to see the scary dialog :)
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tantek nope, https://twitter.com/Applebees still has checkmark
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@miklb Testing #indieweb webmentions on my new Jekyll powered site http://miklb.com/making-the-move-to-jekyll (twitter.com/_/status/689575889173135360)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+28) "/* To Do */ asked a bunch of things" (view diff)
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miklb hmm. failed
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miklb I thought for sure I'd gotten everything in place, but Bridgy is saying no webmention target
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kylewm miklb: want help debugging?
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miklb yes, please
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kylewm miklb: https://twitter.com/miklb/status/689575889173135360 looks to Bridgy like a POSSE copy of the original post, so replies to it should be backfed to the post
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@miklb Testing #indieweb webmentions on my new Jekyll powered site http://miklb.com/making-the-move-to-jekyll (twitter.com/_/status/689575889173135360)
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miklb so maybe it's the Jekyll plugin/js that isn't showing the backfeed?
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miklb is assuming backfeed is what that means
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miklb what is backfeed
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Loqi Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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kylewm it looks like the JS file is missing: http://miklb.com/js/webmention.io.js is 404
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miklb kylewm: thanks, I'll investigate that. Might be a artifact of my deploy method
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