#indiewebcamp 2016-01-22

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GWG Evening
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aaronpk evening
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GWG aaronpk: You remoting into NYC tomorrow?
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aaronpk oh right! i forgot it starts friday
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aaronpk and i forgot that tomorrow is friday
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GWG Now that I've reminded you....
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GWG aaronpk: You remoting into NYC tomorrow?
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aaronpk hehe. um, not sure i'll be able to make it
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GWG aaronpk: You remoting into NYC on Saturday?
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aaronpk I will be busy the first half of the day but I would love to watch the demos!
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GWG aaronpk: I intend to ask any of the regulars who come in tonight.
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GWG I'm not sure we can count on the remote attendance we got in Boston.
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@vanhoosear What's the opposite of the POSSE web content model? PESOS: https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS?utm_content=buffer12b0e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer h/t @danyork #bunewmedia (twitter.com/_/status/690335831232479233)
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[kevinmarks] I'll try to remote in
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GWG KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 192 karma
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GWG KevinMarks: I should have asked you to promote it on This Week in Google.
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GWG Although for all I know you did.
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tantek !tell gRegorLove hey thanks for starting the /2016 pages! What do you think of the updates I made to the "Guest List" header text for SF and most recently NYC? Been trying to make it friendlier / more diverse creative inclusive https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Guest_List
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG tantek: Welcome
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GWG I'm excited about tomorrow.
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GWG Snow or no snow, this could be the dawning of a new chapter in New York.
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GWG Maybe another HWC participant will present themselves
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@codemonkey Redirects and the Webmention Specification https://codemonkey.withknown.com/2016/redirects-and-the-webmention-specification (twitter.com/_/status/690353598245519365)
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GWG I shouldn't be too optimistic.
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Loqi yea!
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GWG That Loqi likes?
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Loqi is done
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GWG Loqi: Aim low.
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miklb am I correct to understand webmentions from one post on my site to another will not appear?
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KartikPrabhu depends on you. the spec does not say anything about "displaying" received mentions
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KartikPrabhu webmention is only to notify you that a post has linked to your post. how you handle that notification is up to you
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miklb but would by default it appear if I've not directly hidden my own webmentions?
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KartikPrabhu if your "blog software" does not explictly hide them then yes
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miklb hmm
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miklb thanks
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KartikPrabhu like I said, the webmetion protocol does not say anything about this
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miklb gotcha
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KartikPrabhu miklb: I am sending a webmention from your test post to mine, to check if it appears as a reply
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KartikPrabhu aa ha! found a little bug in my code! though your reply shows up nicely
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miklb I managed to get my script to work, and it "says" it sent webmentions to my endpoint. I had to trudge through 11 years of cruft of old links to get it to cache those old links, so should be able to test new posts/qualified endpoints going forward
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@zippy314 RT @kevinmarks I'm at Thrivable Future Salon at @IFTF in Palo Alto, talking Ceptr and #indieweb and more with @debs @NurtureGirl and many others (twitter.com/_/status/690362609908973570)
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KartikPrabhu ok webmention question: if a post does not contain a u-url should the webmention receiver default to the "source URL" as the URL of the post?
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miklb KartikPrabhu: nice. It did appear
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miklb has a todo to better markup microformats on single posts
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[kevinmarks] That makes sense, Kartik
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[kevinmarks] Because it may be a silo post without MF at all
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bear Kartik - that is what my code does (and Ronkyuu IIRC)
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aaronpk my implementation does that as well
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GWG I think the webmention plugin doesn't look for u-url and always defaults to source.
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miklb GWG: which webmention plugin?
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bear.im edited /Webmention (+173) "mention using u-url from source if present for presentation" (view diff)
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GWG miklb: WordPress
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GWG It isn't in the specification to look for u-url first
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acegiak morning, all
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GWG Morning acegiak
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GWG What is new?
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Loqi Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date http://indiewebcamp.com/new
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acegiak GWG: Starting a new game project. Intimidated. Distracting myself with IRC :P
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acegiak also trying to work out which of my plugins is making it hard to update posts on my blog
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mlncn.withknown.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+294) "/* RSVPs */" (view diff)
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GWG acegiak: I have some plans for the next two days. IWC NYC starts in 8.5 hours
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acegiak oooh! exciting!
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GWG I have a plan
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acegiak I'm trying to work out an easy way to create indieweb replies from tweets on my phone. At the moment I have a neat greasemonkey script for doing it on desktop but android really needs a good way for custom scripts to hook into intents
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acegiak what's your plan?
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acegiak can I see it?
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GWG My next project. Which is hard because I have so many side ideas as I do
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acegiak yeah always tricky
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GWG Well, the next thing is redoing location with venues set as a custom taxonomy with term meta...something I couldn't do before.
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GWG After that, location gets me events.
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acegiak prioritizing is tough
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GWG That was why the last addition was time.
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GWG Time + location equals event.
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acegiak oh neat!
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GWG It also gets me checkins.
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miklb GWG: you use WP then?
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GWG miklb: Yes, I do a lot of work in that areas.
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GWG After that, I want to do travel.
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GWG Travel is 2 locations plus time.
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT (+62) "/* RSVP */ add facebook event page" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+52) "/* RSVPs from other sites */ add facebook link" (view diff)
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GWG I also have thoughts of trying a feature plugin for webmentions.
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GWG And improving the Indieweb plugin to have rel-me support
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miklb GWG: reason I ask is I'm not as married to Jekyll for my site as I thought I was as I'd rather put indieweb 1st, mobile blogging 2nd, and have seen some great workflows for iOS -> WP posting lately. I've got a long history with WP and could maybe make a bigger contribution there.
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GWG miklb: The WordPress Outreach Club would like the help
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miklb Outreach Club?
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GWG What is the WordPress Outreach Club?
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Loqi The WordPress Outreach Club is a group of active IndieWebCamp participants who reach out to individuals already running WordPress to add IndieWeb functionality to their existing sites https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Outreach_Club
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miklb has something to chew on
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[shaners] Loqi, playback please.
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Loqi [shaners]: gRegorLove left you a message on 1/19 at 10:54am: FYI some of your CSS and loading message is showing up in Woodwind for your photos. http://reader.kylewm.com/?entry=http%3A%2F%2Fveganstraightedge.com%2Fnotes%2F2016%2F01%2F16%2Ftonight-s-dinner-tacocleanse-beverly-hills-c http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453229662889
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Loqi dude
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GWG There's a lot of different approaches to WordPress and Indieweb.
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[shaners] Thanks, Loqi.
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[shaners] gregorlove: I’m not sure what you mean. Can you screenshot it for me next time you see it please? I think it’s just the little Instagram embed thingy.
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[shaners] !tell gregorlove: I’m not sure what you mean. Can you screenshot it for me next time you see it please? I think it’s just the little Instagram embed thingy.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb GWG: either way I go, I'll certainly contribute where I can with any WP related stuff.
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[shaners] !tell kylewm: Your template avatar is busted now. The new site prolly changed or blew away this URL: https://kylewm.com/static/img/users/kyle.jpg
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed acegiak: i assume you've seen https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android ?
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snarfed also https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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acegiak snarfed: yeah I just need a way to get the tweet data out to the app in a usable way
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snarfed acegiak: the share button sends the link. are you hoping for the full text?
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acegiak snarfed, yeah but actually I'll try fetching the content with GWG's button
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acegiak GWG: The 70 character width of your inputs: is there a reason for that?
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acegiak cause it really messes with mobile use
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acegiak I was trying to work out if I could get a client that would just share the link rather than some text like "Check out XXYY's tweet: http://twitter.com/foo/bar"
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acegiak but I can actually just write some JS to parse that input string
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snarfed acegiak: yup. been there! https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this/blob/master/js/press-this.js#L46
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acegiak snarfed: oh neat!
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acegiak GWG: is it better to add issues to the github project or talk to you here
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acegiak Or should i just submit pull requests for my hacky solutions?
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snarfed just deployed bridgy publish twitter video support!
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snarfed now video publish is supported on twitter, facebook, and flickr
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snarfed looking forward to seeing people try it at IWC NYC!
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acegiak neato!
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acegiak I only got gif posse working recently
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acegiak cause I didn't realise that I COULD post gifs just with a 1gif per post limit
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snarfed huh
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acegiak also apparently a tweet can be a reply and not start with @thepersonyou're replying to?!
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snarfed possible, yeah
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snarfed ...but for many uses, it does need to be at least somewhere in the tweet
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acegiak hmm ok
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acegiak OK! Got twitter replies from my phone working quite nicely!
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@oochs Webmention - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Pingback will be back ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/690453765133090821)
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@HoSabira Webmention -Pingback will be back ;-) https://twitter.com/CalvinTaylor_/status/690453765124702208 (twitter.com/_/status/690454063725543424)
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petermolnar_ have a good iwc today US people :)
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@jackysee Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ pingback~ (twitter.com/_/status/690458931823509505)
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Loqi [bridgy] Mamikuma Hi commented 'Thanks to the MMM EXTRA program i love MMM all ppl join me! #BTC #money #bank #M...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (https://www.facebook.com/214611/posts/10102083451927433?comment_id=10102086123323933)
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[kevinmarks] What did you do acegiak ?
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petermolnar_ I don't have the patience to jump into this, but is anyone has: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10948497
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@hn_frontpage Webmention L: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ C: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/690484828244983809)
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@linnflux Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ #webdesign (twitter.com/_/status/690485114590093312)
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@BornCor Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690485155081916416)
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@FrontPageHN Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (cmts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261) (twitter.com/_/status/690485186518241280)
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@CurtisUrijah #Webmention #Hacker #News #Headline http://www.abizy.com/p/view.html (twitter.com/_/status/690485257200623616)
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@mindamedia Click like https://www.facebook.com/eddybalifreezy page for sharing Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Trailing the updated info… http://ezydownload.wix.com/epon (twitter.com/_/status/690485318244499457)
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@WebStartupGroup Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ #news (twitter.com/_/status/690485500629622784)
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@mindamedia http://cashbot.ca/in/3471/ sharing and popping under the rainbow!! Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690485789701062657)
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@tm_interesting IT news: Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690486321480122368)
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@MatthewJRoche Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690486510181814272)
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@HNTweets Webmention: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/690486572303552514)
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@gtcfeederteam Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690487452167999489)
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@DubaiGeek Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690487657768603648)
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@Peta_Eaton Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690487830863319041)
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@ruby_engineer Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ #hacker #geek #startup (twitter.com/_/status/690487988980178944)
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@neuropuff Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690488181238685696)
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@progscrape Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690488319021547521)
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@_hnyc Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690488354593443841)
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GWG !tell acegiak Github or here, whichever works for you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@HackAlertNews Webmention http://hacker-bot.tumblr.com/post/137807053580/webmention#_=_ #HB (twitter.com/_/status/690491724817436672)
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@TimHogenbirk Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690492873201074176)
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@sengork RT @HackerfallFeed Webmention https://hackerfall.com/story/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/690500491864776705)
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lukasros 0--
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Loqi lukasros: Jeena left you a message on 8/18 at 2:52am: I do have a rel=webmention but in the HTTP header. If you do curl -I https://jeena.net/indiewebcamp-2015 you'll see Link: <https://jeena.net/webmentions>; rel="webmention" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-18/line/1439891570383
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tuxed.net edited /indiecert.net (+17) "supports all client certificates already for a while :)" (view diff)
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@gdchamal les ayant trop de droits vont certainement aimer et détourner ce principe de #webmention :/ https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690501460883283968)
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lukasros Thanks Loqi, seems you had to keep that message for me for a long time ...
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Loqi you're welcome
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@kosso The "WebMention" spec. A simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690503100969394178)
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@cloudlopes Webmention - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ #in (twitter.com/_/status/690504193677881345)
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@tek_news HNews: Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690504198291611648)
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@hackthonfun RT @kosso The "WebMention" spec. A simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690504379942768640)
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@eli_oat Webmention, https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690504618112094208)
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Jeena webmentions discussion at HN (because it is on the frontpage) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261
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voxpelli Good comments there Jeena, added a generic comment myself now pointing to the wiki
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voxpelli And now realize that the WebMentions tools are actually mentioned within the spec – hadn't seen that, cool
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Jeena hehe
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@HNComments Webmention https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/690515783319851008)
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@jaffs Web mentions - A nice draft from w3C. Notifications when someone links to your content. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/#overview (twitter.com/_/status/690517066068185088)
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@georgemoore RT @jaffs Web mentions - A nice draft from w3C. Notifications when someone links to your content. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/#overview (twitter.com/_/status/690518147410071552)
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@jkphl Registered for the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg 2016, April 16th-17th? Encourage others & let them know! http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcamp-nuremberg/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/690522841691856896)
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@mschottenhammer RT @jkphl Registered for the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg 2016, April 16th-17th? Encourage others & let them know! http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcamp-nuremberg/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/690524231986200576)
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@qubyte I think webmentions are going to be the first interesting thing tech to put into my blog. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention Maybe use #rustlang! (twitter.com/_/status/690525088618278912)
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@jgthms Pingbacks are back! http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/690525597773238273)
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@hvelarde RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: AMP, Facebook Instant Articles and Apple News are like 3 new browsers that only support a subset of the web (twitter.com/_/status/690526539507699712)
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@anarchivist dear #indiewebcampnyc folks: I may be a little late but hoping to arrive by the 9:15 introductions slot! #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690528780562096128)
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GWG Attendance at IWC NYC currently consists of the organizer
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@manuelaristaran Trackbacks are cool again: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690533216973905920)
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petermolnar_ Jeena I'm impressed how negative the reaction on HN is for webmentions o.O
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tantek organizers plural
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voxpelli petermolnar_: most comments on the web seems to be surprisingly negative :/
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petermolnar_ I can't argue with that :/
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tantek voxpelli: 3rd party comments, or 1st party?
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petermolnar_ but I'm honestly surprised on this; praising Track/Pingback, which both were dead for the past 3-4 years agains living, breathing webmentions in a supposed to be tech community is surprising me
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tantek petermolnar_: it's the UX that's different. the plumbing is a minor iteration.
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voxpelli tantek: comments in a space where the perceived distance between the original author and the comment author is far while the audience is fairly large
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tantek petermolnar_: more here: http://tantek.com/2013/113/b1/first-federated-indieweb-comment-thread (note that originally we used pingbacks as plumbing)
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voxpelli yeah, it's a bit unfortunate that the plumbing is getting the focus on HN rather than the applications and UX
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tantek voxpelli: that's typical for HN
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Jeena petermolnar, I wouldn't read in too much into that, HN is known for mostly negative comments
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GWG We're going live on the half hour
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GWG Will post a link shortly.
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lukasros Good morning New York! Wish you a great and productive day at IWC!
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lukasros Greetings from Germany.
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@No_CQRT [w3c] [#seo] Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site. https://www.linkedin.com/slink?code=eUqVSA8 (twitter.com/_/status/690543121516527616)
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GWG You want to tune in, lukasros?
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@6_spin RT No_CQRT [w3c] [#seo] Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site. https://www.linkedin.com/slink?code=eUqVSA8 (twitter.com/_/status/690543609133842433)
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@ElitLasVegasSEO RT https://twitter.com/No_CQRT/status/690543121516527616 [w3c] [#seo] Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your … https://www.linkedin.com/slink?code=eUqVSA8 (twitter.com/_/status/690543792139718656)
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Jeena this onli person on HN seems to not understand the purpose of webmentions.
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lukasros @GWG: Thanks, but no need for a livestream at least for me, I'll read the summaries later.
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GWG I'm just streaming it to Youtube Live. Gives a nice recording.
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Jeena GWG, is there a link?
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Jeena I probably want to tune in later after work when I'm waiting for my flight
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GWG Will post when we start
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mwunsch Greetings
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GWG Greetings. Isn't it wonderful we have all gathered around a table and are communicating by IRC?
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anarchivist the future has arrived
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@brianabelson RT @manuelaristaran Trackbacks are cool again: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690547043614507008)
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mwunsch this is my comfort zone
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@schwanksta RT @manuelaristaran Trackbacks are cool again: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690547328684560384)
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GWG http://youtu.be/r_A695Fkvdg
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GWG Live Stream Intros coming soon
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GWG Live Stream is now live
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tantek and we've gotten started here at IndieWebCamp NYC!
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tantek doing intros and demos
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tantek Tantek: showed tantek.com, mobile display, text spacing, full bleed photos, videos
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tantek tommorris: shows tommmorris.org
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tantek has gotten a lot working, but some things have broken, e.g. checkins was using cloudmade, but that API has gone
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tantek last manually checked in like 6 months ago at a jazz club in London
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tantek has been working on rebuilding his site
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tantek working on a new version (shows demo)
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tantek has events, they appear inline, better interface to add an event, nicer permalinks
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tantek you can also create redirect URLs for specific posts, to create per post short URLs
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tantek there are also venue detail pages
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tantek they will eventually have maps and things
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tantek Been building new entry UI from the ground up with internationalization
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@keithjgrant Webmention: A proposed specification for notifying a URL when you link to it from your site. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690552121004015616)
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tantek tommorris: shows UI for creating a blog post, UI for retrieving HTML, can do custom Accept headers with the UI
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tantek all the pages have microformats and schema properties
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tantek there's no side files being loaded
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tantek when you request the JSON version, it loads the HTML version, parses it and returns it to you
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tantek same with the RDF/turtle version, it gets it from the HTML
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tantek Mark Wunsch - my first IndieWebCamp
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tantek was active in the microformats community
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tantek my website is markwunsch.com
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tommorris url: markwunsch.com
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tantek mwunsch: it is Jekyll, hosted on github pages
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tantek Backstory, I'm an engineering mgr at Rent The Runway
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tantek so I don't get to code much, but over the summer I decided to write code every day
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tantek I've had a Tumblr for a long time
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tantek I like it as a tool and network
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tommorris coding every day - building positive habits. :)
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tantek I knew I wanted to do POSSE to Tumblr
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tantek mwunsch: I've set that up
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tantek here's a Tumblr post where I talked about building it
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tantek and here's the corresponding code in Jekyll
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tantek I wanted everything to be flat files represented in the file system in git
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tommorris e.g. post in markdown on github - https://github.com/mwunsch/mwunsch.github.io/blob/master/tumblelog/_posts/2015-07-23-tumblelog-posse.md
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tantek I wanted to just be able to write a blog post, commit it, and push it, to be my mechanism for publishing on the web
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tommorris using jekyll generator for doing POSSE to tumblr
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tantek mwunsch: I one thing I want to do is expand my site to the other Tumblelog types
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tantek photos etc.
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tantek because I started this coding streak, I try to keep this streak going
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tantek publishing to my blog counts because of github stats
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tantek I started writing a weekly newsletter
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tommorris tumblr post types documented here: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/07/a-complete-guide-to-tumblr/
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tommorris http://tinyletter.com/wunsch
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tantek mwunsch: every week I write about the code that I wrote that week
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tommorris weekly newsletter is published through Jekyll using a generator
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tommorris source code: github.com/mwunsch
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tantek mwunsch: here's this SMTP server that I'm going to send thi mail to
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tantek and you can see it format the mail message
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tommorris POSSE to SMTP ;-)
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tantek when I do a git push, it emails my newsletter to subscribers
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tommorris next up: http://anarchivi.st - A. Matinezo
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tantek Mark Matienzo: just found out about IndieWebCamp for a couple of weeks, have worked with microformats a while
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tommorris moved over from about.me
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tantek first moved about.me to anarchivi.st
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tantek did not like how aboutme published data and didn't give him control over it
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tommorris other site: matienzo.org
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tantek also has a professional resume site matienzo.org
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tantek focus for this year: pulling in my content via PESOS from existing silo platforms
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tantek have a consistent way to move stuff from Tumblr, old LiveJournal, as a form of archiving, rather than public posting
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tantek have noticed in my professional community, appears to be a move to post things on Medium,
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aaronpk (the sound is great on the livestream!)
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tantek but I don't want my workflow to start with Medium
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tommorris "don't want my workflow to start with Medium"
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tantek I work for Digital Public Library of America
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tommorris work: dp.la - boston-based non-profit
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tantek we aggregate information about digital and digitzed materials
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tantek we have a number of projects, search engine, API index
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GWG At least one person is viewing this
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tantek (aaronpk want to add yourself as a remote participant? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Guest_List#Remote_Participants )
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tantek Mark Matienzo: we are looking to move some silo'd bookmarks to have an actual API.
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GWG aaronpk: It is the microphone I brought to MIT
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tantek I found out about IndieWebCamp by reading about Webmention on another mailing list
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tantek I want to use Webmention to track where our objects have been used
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tantek I'm also part of a community called the International Image Interoperability Framework
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tantek to develop a set of specs to provide consistent APIs for images, e.g. zoomable API images, structural information about sequences of images together
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tantek some use on IIIF list about using Webmention
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tantek in terms of providing notifcations, re-use
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tantek a lot of these IIIF use-cases focus on art works, medieval manuscripts
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tantek broad personal and professional interest in IndieWebCamp
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tantek Paolo: I'm just watching, but one of my plans is to do my own website
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tantek but I will have it done by the next one
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tantek I want to do something related to travel
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tantek and pictures and art and music
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tantek I'm putting all the ideas together
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GWG What is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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tantek Lara: I'm going backpacking in Patagonia for six weeks
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tantek I was thinking of creating a website about it
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tantek packing list, once you get there
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tantek I thought that would be a cool thing
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tantek would allow people to follow what we did
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tantek GWG: here is my site
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tantek david.shanske.com
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tantek first thing there is a like
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tantek indicated with a thumbs up at the start
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tantek if you click the "Like" link it shows all my likes
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tantek I've been doing trip reports too
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tantek all the sites that I run are running WordPress
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tantek most things are coming into my WordPress via plugin
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tantek e.g. creating a new post
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tantek lots of post kinds
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tantek bookmark, favorite, jam etc.
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tantek one of the features I've been working on
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tantek is a little box where you can put a URL
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tantek *copies permalink from another post*
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tantek If I paste it into this box here
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tantek it has found a name for me
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tantek it auto-fills author name, and picture, publication time, last updated time
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tantek auto-gets citation information
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Jeena could someone post a livestream link?
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tantek Jeena: http://youtu.be/r_A695Fkvdg
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tantek GWG: I parse both microformats and opengraph
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Jeena thanks!
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tantek when I parse opengraph I convert it to microformats so I can treat everything as microformats
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tantek GWG: here's a video of me liking a youtube video
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tantek and a of me liking an article by tommorris
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tantek e.g. Android/iOS
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Jeena I was too! :D
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Jeena I'm watching!
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Jeena Sound is good :)
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Sebsel I'm watching too!
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anarchivist = Mark Matienzo (for the record)
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tommorris hey Sebsel :)
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tommorris gah. wiki keeps logging me out when I open a page in a new tab. might just be Opera being weird. may try Firefox again in a sec.
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aaronpk tommorris: the http version doesn't keep login state because it uses secure cookies
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aaronpk stick to https and you'll be logged in always
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tommorris I should install HTTPS Everywhere
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aaronpk if I can figure out how to rewrite image links on mediawiki I can redirect it to https always
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Jeena Yeah that is not as clear as it could be that webmentions are only for URLs not for specific types of objects.
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GWG So far, topics include Device Data Portability and Webmentions(for atypical use cases).
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GWG Next proposal is Let's Encrypt
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GWG PESOS Implementation Patterns...
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Jeena Let's Encrypt is interesting, mostly becaus I don't know what this actually does.
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aaronpk Jeena: i wrote up my experience with it http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/12/07/1/letsencrypt
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Jeena thanks, will check it out
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GWG "How you chose your platform?" as a topic.
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@bpedro “Webmention is a simple way to notify any #URL when you link to it on your site” https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/?utm_content=bufferdfda1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #API (twitter.com/_/status/690562165540048896)
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GWG aka Getting Started from 0% knowledge
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Jeena "just install a plugin" not even I know how that works ^^
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GWG Location, Venue/Checkin
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GWG Note taking is requested
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GWG Etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/hashtag
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aaronpk OH "like, the real basics. not the basics for people who know what they're doing"
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aaronpk awesome
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Jeena hehe yeah
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Jeena we still are in infant stadium when it comes to explaining that
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@RikMende Anywhere but #Medium by @davewiner #ownYourData http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html (twitter.com/_/status/690563295242137602)
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LaraFZ http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/TheRealBasics
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Jeena did tanktek say "grooming"? That would be something interesting to do with the wiki, if we had grooming sessions for different parts of the wiki
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aaronpk also known as "wiki gardening"
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aaronpk which sounds less narcissistic
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Jeena hehe ok
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@FluViruses oneeyedpigeon comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/oneeyedpigeon-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690563720280424448)
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@newcribs oneeyedpigeon comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/oneeyedpigeon-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690563721618391040)
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@PCSpam oneeyedpigeon comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/oneeyedpigeon-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690563722801209344)
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mwunsch http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/LetsEncrypt
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mwunsch http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/pesos
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mwunsch Oh! There's already a pad here
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aaronpk that's fine! just bump down the old content and put a line like ==================
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@mhkeller trackers of the world unite https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690561525560516608)
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anarchivist http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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tommorris what is bagel?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/bagel
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@ClaudioGarau Webmention: #HTML diventa social - | #html5 http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/690565550615957505)
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LaraFZ http://www.onlyadayaway.com/trip/patagonia-2015/
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tantek getting started with The Real Basics session
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@LillianEdmiston RT https://twitter.com/ClaudioGarau/status/690565550615957505 Webmention: #HTML diventa social - | #html5 http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/690566615675584512)
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tantek taking notes in http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/TheRealBasics
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Jeena crazy how fast someone is writing on the etherpad, it's almost as fast as the livestream :D
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tantek :D
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Jeena the police sound in the background makes it really NYC style
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Sebsel Yeah, it's like: reading it and then it's said :)
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Jeena Someone should also mention https://withknown.com/
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mlncn Tantek speed!
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Jeena and that they can host your instance
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mlncn Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 27 karma
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Jeena I wrote everything myself!
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Jeena that is a super interesting question, a domain is not always about a person
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@pypi_updates django-webmention 0.0.3: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Djang... https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/690569108178505728)
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Jeena but that doesn't really work well with how the indieweb is kind of build
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aaronpk sure it does
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Jeena I only own 3 domains
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Jeena and am preparing to drop one of them
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Jeena technically sure it works
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anarchivi.st created /Template:anarchivist (+150) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://twitter.com/anarchivist/profile_image}} [[User:Anarchivi.st|Mark Matienzo]]</span>"" (view diff)
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Sebsel Well, you could rel-me them all together, no? But then they are still about you, not about the topic, I guess...
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Jeena but like socially you normally want to follow a person, hm but perhaps the things you do domains could just be like different personallities of the same human
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aaronpk indiewebcamp.com isn't about a person but still supports a lot of indieweb functionality
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Jeena I piggiback on a friends webserver
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Sebsel The blogging guru's (like: earn a lot-blogging) say you should pick a topic, because the person is not interesting to read about.
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Sebsel But I guess that's a different kind of blog/website?
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Sebsel It's like: a personal website, in line with social media, or a topical website, to get traffic etc...
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Jeena yeah
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Jeena I use jeena.net like twitter.com/jeena and facebook.com/jeenaparadies
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Jeena hehe one week will not be sufficient ^^
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Jeena haha
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Loqi rofl
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Jeena how would you webindify a squarespace website?
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Jeena haha tantek is just shaking his head :D
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tantek lol - forgot this is all livestreamed
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tantek in the panopticon
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Jeena I like .net because it works no matter to which land you migrate
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jgmac1106 sorry to bail on #indiewebcamp. Had death and family and I am home with kids so wife can attend services
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Jeena sorry to hear that jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 in*
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GWG jgmac1106: Sorry to hear
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GWG Wantto stream in?
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@easyaspython django-webmention v0.0.3: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/690571711356506113)
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jgmac1106 During nap time which is approaching quickly.
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Jeena aaronpk, could you add the livestream link to the irc topic?
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aaronpk I think anyone can
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@cool_python RT @easyaspython django-webmention v0.0.3: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/690572098276835328)
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Jeena (y)
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Sebsel :D
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Sebsel Yeah, I don't know if this is 'the real basics'... it's getting advanced so fast.
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jgmac1106 Gcool in live feed
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Sebsel But then again: to make it easy, you have to make choices for the user, but that's against the Indie-thing.
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aaronpk helping people make informed choices is useful
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Sebsel That's true!
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tantek exactly
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jgmac1106 democracy by design the users choose from hopefully an intuitive path you design
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tantek user choice is much more than by "what's intuitive"
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@FluViruses ehnto comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/ehnto-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690573546024800256)
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@newcribs ehnto comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/ehnto-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690573547215966210)
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@PCSpam ehnto comments on "Webmention" - http://blog.explodingads.com/ehnto-comments-on-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690573548268720128)
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tantek wat
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jgmac1106 but thats the old teacher in me, creating an allusion of choice if often something in my toolbox
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aaronpk ugh i'm gonna block explodingads. it's one of those spam blogs
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jgmac1106 for people I introduce hosting to the hardest part for them is when the domain registration is seperated from hosting
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@artwisanggeni #python django-webmention 0.0.3: A pluggable implementation of webmention for Django projects. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/690573920068501505)
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brandonrozek it even gets more confusing when you need to mess with the dns
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Jeena and HTML!
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jgmac1106 thats where I am at in my level of understanding…just figuring out dns and stuff like git
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KartikPrabhu HTML isn't complicated
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jgmac1106 @kartik never say that to someone who has never used it
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Sebsel No, but you have to take that step into 'code'.
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Jeena a one click wordpress install isn't complicated, untill it is because you don't see the button ;)
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Sebsel That can be big for people...
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jgmac1106 my wordpress blog: http://jgregorymcverry.com/
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KartikPrabhu well wordpress is complicated
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jgmac1106 but like everyone I started on Blogger, or wordpress, or something else
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jgmac1106 @kartik yes getting to point where I am thinking I just need basic html pages for many projects
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KartikPrabhu which is what I meant
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jgmac1106 but I may not have ever gotten there without a blogger>Wordpress>shared hosting bridge
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GWG I'm sticking with WordPress
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KartikPrabhu hosting is the complicated part but one should not blame it on HTML
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GWG Hmm...I should get a t-shirt that says that
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jgmac1106 Is hosting on Git easy? I was trying to get a repo started for the first time today and wanted to throw my computer through a window
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KartikPrabhu you mean github?
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jgmac1106 yes sorry, forgot there was difference
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KartikPrabhu never tried their hosting
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Jeena hm, I'm trying to remember how I started, it was before tumblr, facebook, twitter, I think I started with my own domain http://web.archive.org/web/20040914045023/http://www.jeenaparadies.clever-webspace.de/jeenas-home/ this ist already the 2nd version, the first was just HTML, this is already running on my own blog engine
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KartikPrabhu what is github?
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Loqi GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/Github
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KartikPrabhu that should have info ^
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Jeena which I wrote because I couldn't figure out how to install movabletypes
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mwunsch There's a great video I love by Rich Hickey, the guy who created Clojure: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy
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Jeena which was the only available bloging engine I was aware of back then
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mwunsch not necessarily related, but i love his distinction between "Simple" and "Easy"
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KartikPrabhu mwunsch: yes! precisely
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mwunsch so html, wordpress, blogger, etc. might arguably be "simple" tools, but their ease of use is relative to the user
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KartikPrabhu that is true of anything
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jgmac1106 here was me complaining as I finally figured it out: https://discourse.webmaker.org/t/i-cant-git-to-work/474
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jgmac1106 +1 mwunsch
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Jeena (btw. it is interesting how difficult it is to follow discussions with a mono microphone when more than one person is speaking)
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Sebsel (yeah)
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GWG I didn't expect multiple conversations.
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GWG Sorry.
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GWG Next time I'll go dual microphone with mixer.
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Jeena I'm already happy that you guys are streaming at all, I just never realized that there would be a difference
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jgmac1106 Convinced my dean to get me a tricaster, a few cameras, mixing boards and such so I could have a studio in a bag….now I need to learn how to use it
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GWG aaronpk has better toys than I do
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aaronpk jgmac1106: fun! I have a similar rig but with blackmagic stuff
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Jeena hehe jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 yeah i got blackmagic cameras
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aaronpk I still owe someone a blog post on that
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tantek hey video people - can you take notes here based on what you see / hear? or add to the etherpad? http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/TheRealBasics
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tommorris mwunsch++ for the Rich Hickey video link
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Loqi mwunsch has 1 karma
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Jeena with pictures I'm showing where picture was taken, from the EXIF data
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Jeena (not where I was when I posted it)
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Jeena so can one somehow indicate this "happened on date" with microformats?
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aaronpk I was thinking "created" vs "published"
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Jeena hm but created is written, not happened
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singpolyma associated vevent
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singpolyma ?
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Jeena the US does the date wrong!
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Jeena MM/DD/YYYY this is madness!
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aaronpk agreed haha
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singpolyma Jeena: they do basically everything wrong when it comes to formats and standards ;)
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singpolyma in Canada we still sometimes use the old DD/MM/YYYY so we're not much better. hoping to change that in my lifetime
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GWG I use DDMMMYY at work,example 22JAN15
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Jeena hehe yes! http://i.imgur.com/tZwKg.jpg
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: an American friend was surprised when I told them that 4 quarts = gallon which is why it is named "quart"
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Jeena the picture does have a EXIF date when it was taken
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Jeena hehe
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tommorris only time I don't use 8601 is when I'm signing official documents, when I use "20 January 2015"
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@johninsfo Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690579745726009344)
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KartikPrabhu i have switched to that in the US
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@anarchivist OH "Hipsters stole my domain name" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690579928564289537)
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aaronpk Namecheap and Gandi are my votes!
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mwunsch I use Namecheap
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@markwunsch RT @anarchivist OH "Hipsters stole my domain name" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690581365025300480)
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jgmac1106 now you can get weird. We used walkmy.world for #walkmyworld
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aaronpk Namecheap has an easier UI than gandi IMO
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brandonrozek It's always exciting seeing people buy domain names
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@shanes Reading, "Webmention" https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690581995521466368)
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brandonrozek :)
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GWG brandonrozek: Have you broken out the popcorn?
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brandonrozek Shoot! I knew I forgot to buy something before the livestream
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Jeena what is happening on her screen?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "happening on her screen" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bv
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Jeena ok cool, thanks!
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GWG The confirmation screen shows CSS code
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cleverdevil I'd humbly suggest DreamHost as a good registrar, but I'm biased ;)
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brandonrozek cleverdevil: Don't worry we're all biased about who we like, that's why flame wars are common :P
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cleverdevil heh
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Jeena tantek could just open the url on his own laptop ;)
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GWG mlncn.withknown.com
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tantek only because LaraFZ already bought it
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Jeena thanks! I've never seen known from the inside
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Sebsel I guess I should make a page for myself too then?
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Jeena you don't have one yet?
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Jeena Hm perhaps I should implement checkins too
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Sebsel This was my first Indieauth...
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Sebsel Sorry, I'm totally offtopic.
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tantek Jeena yes! check out /checkin and see what you think ;)
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@BArmintor RT @anarchivist OH "Hipsters stole my domain name" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690586703237615616)
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Jeena I like h-card for the venue, but this obviously is a UI nightmare to implement without crowdsourced POIs
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GWG Not necessarily. You can use a Venue API
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Jeena I wonder if there is a POI API in OpenStreet Map
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GWG So do I
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aaronpk pretty sure there is
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GWG I thought there was, but have't looked
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@mikegrimshaw2 Simple way to automatically notify any URL when you link to it on your #Django site #Flask #pyramid #dev #devops https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md (twitter.com/_/status/690587342277468160)
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@mikegrimshaw2 @mikegrimshaw2 #pypi link: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-webmention/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/690587506190979072)
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Jeena there are tools to do that on the raw data https://github.com/MorbZ/OsmPoisPbf
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aaronpk no way am i running my own OSM server lol
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aaronpk here's a service that searches OSM data https://mapzen.com/documentation/search/place/
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jgmac1106 okay everyone off to school or asleep. Can someone post link to etherpad again
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GWG We discussed indieweb shared venues.
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GWG A while back
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brandonrozek http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/TheRealBasics
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Jeena holy http://stackoverflow.com/a/1947311/63779 28GB
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aaronpk yeah lol
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tantek "Why is Known pro $90 a year while WordPress is only $13 a year?"
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aaronpk and processing that XML to import into postgres is non trivial, not to mention keeping it up to date
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tantek for a real world use comparison (i.e. with UX) check out the maps.me download sizes for various countries/states
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brandonrozek You can always CNAME to another domain
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Jeena btw. I also like HERE maps which was owned by Nokia but is now sold to mostly german car makers, they also offer offline map data
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Jeena I'll be soon on my way to the airport, have a flight in 2 hours
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GWG What airline?
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GWG Where to?
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jgmac1106 bunch of Known pages coming in: http://edu106.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/
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jgmac1106 that is a multiuser class
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jgmac1106 I spin up a new Known blog for different community spaces: http://rhizo15.jgregorymcverry.com/
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jgmac1106 http://clmooc.jgregorymcverry.com/
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@davidmead #IndieWebCamp 2016 NYC is happening now. Watch live https://t.co/Kog2etYhlv. Great seeing new people b... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/01/22/3742/ (twitter.com/_/status/690590118235602944)
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jgmac1106 as a teacher the privacy settings are awesome
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tantek remote participants - join talky.io/indiewebcamp for the photo!
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tommorris aaronpk, Sebsel: ^^
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Sebsel haha, o help
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tantek who else is on?
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aaronpk hold on i'm gonna move to somewhere with better light
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mwunsch lol
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aaronpk nice
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Jeena Ok, I guess I need to catch my flight now, I probably will follow a bit on the phone later
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tantek who were the four people on Talky?
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Sebsel I was on there
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petermolnar reading back, has a few minutes of internet abroad; i posse to smtp as well :)
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@newsgathered Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ | https://twibble.io (twitter.com/_/status/690593865753964544)
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aaronpk you all tricked me into thinking it was lunch time here!
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Sebsel here in Europe it fits perfectly with dinnertime. :)
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Sebsel (19:00 / 7pm)
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jgmac1106 oops thought lunch was just ending, thx for doing live stream enjoy the lunch break
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jgmac1106 Off to screencast tutorials as a follow up to the class newsletter: http://edu106.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/2016/albatross-news-vol-ii-issue-1
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snarfed well shit
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snarfed instagram denied bridgy's permission approval request
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Loqi :-/
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snarfed "Invalid Use Case: The use case described in your submission notes, screencast and website is not a valid use case that we allow on our Platform."
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snarfed i fear this may be the death knell for instagram backfeed
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aaronpk sigh
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aaronpk no other explanation? just the boilerplate?
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snarfed just that
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aaronpk well that's frustrating
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snarfed yup
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snarfed i wonder if i can get any of my other apps approved and then use their app id
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snarfed ie moving from slight obfuscation to outright fraud :P
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aaronpk shh don't say that out loud :P
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snarfed too late!
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: tantek: rhiaro: added lanyrd, eventbrite, and FB events for 2016 MIT. I already added everyone to the list for EventBrite
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snarfed (i hate to say it, but this makes me fear for ownyourgram as well)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, wait, is IWC NYC today?
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snarfed yup
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought it was tomorrow
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah totally. I think I'm going to have to completely re-frame it and make it about helping brands blah blah blah something
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Sebsel You should rename it too then, I guess?
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aaronpk definitely have to rename it
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aaronpk apps can't have "gram" in their name
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Loqi it is probable
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Sebsel ah!
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snarfed ah #brands
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snarfed ever thus
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anarchivist now on Webmentions session: http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme now a w3c WD!
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GWG Bringing the video back up
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GWG http://youtu.be/TDR5TvJuNE8
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@kevinmarks “There is a fluidity to the Myanmar Farmer Facebook experience, one that makes me a little jealous.” http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/the-facebook-loving-farmers-of-myanmar/424812/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690612862000070656)
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GWG More sirens
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mwunsch good s/o to aaronpk
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mwunsch "he's usually 10 steps ahead of any of us"
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@anarchivist looking at @aaronpk's post on the harry potter clock: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2016/01/04/2/harry-potter-clock#comments #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690614444095885312)
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GWG mwunsch: NothingI haven't said to his face
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GWG Showing Indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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tantek back from lunch
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tantek !tell benwerd how do you "like" things using Known without leaving the site/page that you "like"?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell benwerd specifically, do you have a bookmarklet for liking pages on your own site?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek java and javascript, it's like grape and grapefruit
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tantek do webmentions have anything to do with webhook? it's like seagull and seafoam
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bear webmentions are kinda like a webhook
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bear just not the type of webhook most js-fiends assume
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GWG bear....where are you?
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bear sadly not in NYC
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GWG Okay. We have video
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aaronpk webmention.io turns webmentions into web hooks ;)
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GWG Live Stream http://youtu.be/TDR5TvJuNE8
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Sebsel the old link is still in the topic
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GWG I don't have ops
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aaronpk I coulda sworn anyone could change the topic
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GWG I just tried
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mwunsch yeah i need to read the spec to understand the distinction
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bear yea, you need ops level privs to change topic
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aaronpk let me fix that...
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aaronpk now you don't
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bear woo!
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tantek aaronpk: could you restore the next HWC meetup date/URL?
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tantek I mean bear :)
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bear oops - on it
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mwunsch for prosperity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTPRange-14
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tantek ^^^ there be dragons
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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mwunsch wow
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mwunsch that range 14 is a delightful rabbit hole
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snarfed honestly that page reads to me like one big techno-philosophical troll
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snarfed "architecture astronaut nerd snipe"
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tantek snarfed hah - that's basically what I just said here in person
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snarfed great minds
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mwunsch "range14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" is how i think it came out
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tantek yes
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tantek aaronpk: do your /collection posts send webmentions to the things being collected?
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aaronpk yes, just like any other post
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tantek if you receive a webmention to one of your posts that it is in a collection on someone else's site, do you show anything different on that post? like "this post has been placed into N collections?" or "this post was collected into ... "?
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aaronpk nope, I don't know how to tell if a post is in a collection
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tantek how do your /collection posts link to the stuff they collect?
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tantek aside while it's still in my head
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tantek what is HTTPRange-14?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HTTPRange-14" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bw
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aaronpk the collection post is an h-entry, and it contains many children which are all h-cite objects
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tantek HTTPRange-14 is a honeypost for [[architecture astronaut]]s
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Loqi ok
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tantek lol honeypost
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aaronpk that seems like an okay pattern, i hadn't thought about checking the reverse
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tantek aaronpk: there are always two sides to every link.
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mwunsch http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/LetsEncrypt
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aaronpk that should be a sticker or something
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@anarchivist OH "HTTPRange-14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690623736760963072)
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tantek.com edited /HTTPRange-14 (+311) "wikipedia quote about abstract concepts" (view diff)
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tantek so would that make that page a meta-honeypot?
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GWG SSL can be intimidating.
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bear startssl is one of the few companies to *verify* the info
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GWG They were nice about it
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tantek right, we're just pointing out that LetsEncrypt does not do identity verification, just domain verification
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aaronpk Amazon just started doing free SSL certs too, and similarly does not to identity validation
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tantek aaronpk - add that to /HTTPS ?
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bear the amazon certificate manager is free for AWS use only
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aaronpk which is useful if you happen to run things on AWS
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bear *nods*
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bear it allows you to get a cert without having to know what a CSR is :)
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GWG What is Docker?
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aaronpk I have a feeling this is the year that SSL becomes easier
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Loqi Docker provides a way to package an application into a "container" that includes all the dependencies it needs to run https://indiewebcamp.com/Docker
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jgmac1106 live feed address if still available
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GWG http://youtu.be/TDR5TvJuNE8
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bear who is speaking?
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mwunsch hi i'm mwunsch
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tantek who is mwusnch?
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mwunsch markwunsch.com
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tantek who is mwunsch?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Markwunsch.com
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tantek mwunsch++
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GWG Who is the Earl of Sandwich?
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Loqi mwunsch has 2 karma
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bear it's about a 1 minute lag
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tantek what is LetsEncrypt?
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Loqi Let’s Encrypt is a new Certificate Authority intended to be free, automated, and open https://indiewebcamp.com/letsencrypt
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GWG bear: Blame Google. But it is the quickest way to do a live stream with recording.
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bear not complaining - was just observing
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GWG How's the audio?
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bear very good
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jgmac1106 on his odcast or the live feed?
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GWG One victory. Will get better.
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GWG jgmac1106: The feed
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jgmac1106 its fine
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bear mwunsch - I would suggest that anyone with that type of hosted issue push back because not using SSL is their problem not the client/user
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jgmac1106 I am excited about LE especially after buying one wildcard
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jgmac1106 but I can’t do it yet because of shared hosting
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tantek bear - pushback to whom?
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tantek.com edited /letsencrypt (+884) "why, how, examples, limitations, see also" (view diff)
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bear shared hosting providor
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bear setting a cert for a hosted site should be as easy as uploading a file
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bear that's why the letsencrypt team sets up a venv - it can trust that system python is everywhere but then it sets up a private environment
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calumryan One of many reasons why I moved hosting away from GitHub last year (so could move to HTTPS)
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mwunsch here's the website i used to try out lets encrypt: https://www.abstractfactory.tv/
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jgmac1106 Think Bear is right then mass uptake seems to fall on those who provide shared hosting
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jgmac1106 heck they will probably figure a way to make it an upcharge
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bear :)
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@phonedude_mln RT @anarchivist OH "HTTPRange-14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690630948489138178)
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@markwunsch RT @anarchivist OH "HTTPRange-14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690631216710717440)
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bear who is the person to the right of mwunsch ?
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mwunsch to my right or uh...stage right?
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mwunsch camera right?
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bear stage right
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bear (your right)
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mwunsch that's tommorris
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bear oh cool /me waves
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tommorris hey bear
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jgmac1106 as an old stagehand I am loving this current debate
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cleverdevil I'm pretty excited about LetsEncrypt.
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bear :) - I didn't know if the image was flipped so I switched to "your"
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cleverdevil We at DreamHost already have it for hosting plans, but I'd really like to make it available as an API for our cloud services too.
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cleverdevil It's a shame it doesn't do wildcard certs though :/
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bear wildcard cert is overkill for the audience they are targeting
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bear and if you can get a new/renewal quickly then you can setup mulitple domains fast enough
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aaronpk was about to say that
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cleverdevil Yeah it makes sense.
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cleverdevil But, it'd be convenient :)
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tantek http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/devicedata
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bear yea, from the ops-of-a-shared-host perspective
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cleverdevil Then again, if it's all consumable via API, then it can be automated and it becomes sort of irrelevant.
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bear nods - moves the complexity to the people who should be able to manage it
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bear :)
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jgmac1106 if I create a bunch of subdomains is one method more secure than the other myclass.mywebsite.com or mywebsite.com/class
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jgmac1106 I basically create a new subdomain for every section I teach
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jgmac1106 oops schedule change
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GWG What is a read receipt?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "read receipt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Bx
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GWG A read receipt is proof that something has been read.
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Loqi ok
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sknebel jgmac1106: subdomains are better for script/cookie isolation (e.g. you can define a cookie that is valid for only "sub.domain.com", but not one restricted to "domain.com/sub"), relevant if subdomains are controlled by different users or run apps of different trustworthyness
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sknebel if I understood your question correctly
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@georgkaser Great article! - Would be nice to have an #IndieWeb #Camp in #Mannheim too! (I am from Worms :)) http://geor.gs/2016/great-article---would-be-nice-to-have-an-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690634643872284673)
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@hvdsomp RT @anarchivist OH "HTTPRange-14 is a honeypot for architecture astronauts" #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/690635253044539393)
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bear I do that now with message logs
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bear i've lost photos before because each app puts photos and videos in different folders
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tantek bear - feel free to add to http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/devicedata !
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tantek !tell snarfed hey does Quip allow iTunes access to your Quip documents on your iOS device, to browse, download?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed tantek: i don't follow the itunes part, but quip has an ios app
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 6 minutes ago: hey does Quip allow iTunes access to your Quip documents on your iOS device, to browse, download? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-22/line/1453497035673
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tantek snarfed might have to show you in person. when you connect an iOS device to iTunes in the "summary" section it shows a subsection of apps which have files you can browse/download in/from iTunes. Only applies to a small number of apps.
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tantek s/device to/device to your Mac with a USB cable, in
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Loqi tantek meant to say: snarfed might have to show you in person. when you connect an iOS device to your Mac with a USB cable, in iTunes in the "summary" section it shows a subsection of apps which have files you can browse/download in/from iTunes. Only applies to a small number of apps.
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snarfed huh, ok. yeah i don't have experience with that
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tantek snarfed: remind me to show you at the next HWC you're at!
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tommorris mobilepub = http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01614/Pub_landlord_Colin_1614542a.jpg ;-)
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tantek what is mobilepub?
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Loqi MobilePub is a mobile app for posting text, links, photos, videos, and audio files to your website using micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub
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tantek what's the etherpad tommorris ?
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@CarterCole https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Do yall want to see this implemented? #SEO (twitter.com/_/status/690653035106697216)
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@gyitsakalakis RT @CarterCole https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Do yall want to see this implemented? #SEO (twitter.com/_/status/690653153935638528)
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KevinMarks does foursquare restrict what you can do with data fromt heir API?
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aaronpk somewhat
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KevinMarks 'cos it is very good at giving you the right PoI
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GWG There is an attribution issue, among other things.
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aaronpk https://developer.foursquare.com/overview/attribution
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aaronpk "whenever Foursquare data is showing on the screen, attribution to Foursquare must be visible simultaneously or before the Foursquare data is shown"
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GWG I don't want to put in a visual and text attribution oneach page.
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KevinMarks I was talking to dennis last week and they want to offer new location APIs that give you context callbacks
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aaronpk what does that mean?
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KevinMarks eg notify my app when the user is in a shop
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aaronpk like a particular one?
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@ElitLasVegasSEO RT https://twitter.com/CarterCole/status/690653035106697216 https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Do yall want to see this implemented? #SEO (twitter.com/_/status/690654065143980032)
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aaronpk or categories like my clock?
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@DeanCruddace RT @CarterCole https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ Do yall want to see this implemented? #SEO (twitter.com/_/status/690654230848368640)
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/socosy2016-01-12.html#doing%20at%20foursquare
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KevinMarks categories
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KevinMarks u-url is other representations
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mwunsch Yeah reading through the Foursquare API -- you basically have to use their DB exclusively, you can't mix and match data sources
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KevinMarks are the other things reviews?
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KevinMarks that may be a way to do that
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mwunsch And they have retention policies for caching their data
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tantek mwunsch in cases where I enter the data, I claim I still have liberty/freedom over how I use it, even if I get it back from foursquare (after submitting it)
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snarfed KevinMarks: sounds like geofencing
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KevinMarks but not venu ids, which is the url we're linking to here
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KevinMarks yes, but more subtle geofencing
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KevinMarks they alos look at accelerormeter etc to distinguish you walking past from pausing etc
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KevinMarks adn their fences are venue correlated
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mwunsch https://developer.foursquare.com/overview/venues
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aaronpk oh you mean when someone is nearby, not just after they check in?!
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KevinMarks yes
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tommorris hey KevinMarks *waves*
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aaronpk very cool. sounds familiar
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KevinMarks I'm watching the feed
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KevinMarks I'm waving back, whcih is a bit daft
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KevinMarks known posses to foursquare
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KevinMarks Swarm now does a 'you may have missed these checkins' thing
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KevinMarks foursquare does that disambiguation well
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KevinMarks btw another geo-related thought from me: http://www.kevinmarks.com/traintimes.html
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KevinMarks location data can be weirldy noisy - the google history log often has random jumps in
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KevinMarks google now reminds me to go to mozilla sf every wednesday
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KevinMarks though it has a poor idea of how I get there
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KevinMarks except in the subway
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tantek please backfill venues locations checkins to : http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/checkins !
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mwunsch my usual running route always teleports me into the east river at a ~3min/mile
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KevinMarks so 20 is 180 degrees/2^20 ?
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anarchivist https://technobabbl.es/2015/11/blast-from-the-past-offline-foursquare/
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GWG We are discussing maps.me
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KevinMarks also, tube stations usually have a way of changing tracks inside
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GWG What do you mean? CHanging tracks?
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KevinMarks whereas NY stations have separate entrances that cost you $2.25 if you go in the wrong one
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GWG Not all of them
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GWG Only some
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KevinMarks right, enough to confuse me and cost $2.25 a few times
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GWG Read the signs
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mwunsch the price has gone up!
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KevinMarks oh, I learned after a couple fo times, yes
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GWG That is what happens when the state won't kick in their fair share
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@kevinmarks @dens, if you have a chance tonight or tomorrow, drop by indiewebcamp NYC - lots of good geo discussions: http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (twitter.com/_/status/690663328855752706)
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mwunsch i'm going to shut down and start making my way to the exit. i won't be attending in person tomorrow, but will be on IRC
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bear waves
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KevinMarks oh, oops, you're off to dinner
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KevinMarks song link https://youtu.be/TDR5TvJuNE8?t=1h51m
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KevinMarks :D
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aaronpk hmm i should try to catch up with @dens when I'm in NY in may! maybe we can do an off-cycle HWC there (I won't be there on a wednesday unfortunately)
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KevinMarks he's stepping down as CEO to focus on building new things with their infrastructure
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KevinMarks so a good time to chat, yes
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@t Great IndieWebCamp NYC day1! #TheRealBasics #Webmention #LetsEncrypt #DeviceData Portability #Checkins Notes: http://tantek.com/2016/022/t1/great-indiewebcamp-day-1-notes (twitter.com/_/status/690674287875719168)
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