#indiewebcamp 2016-01-23

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Loqi
[bridgy] Dennis Crowley replied '@kevinmarks Ah thx, but already in Kingston for wkd!' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC (https://twitter.com/dens/status/690685708609163264)
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GWG
aaronpk, I would love any cycle of HWC
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veganstraightedge.com
edited /GitHub (-8) "fix broken image url"
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KevinMarks
I missed last week
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codemonkey
@tantek I don't know if @snarfed or @aaronpk has approached you about this yet, but I was wondering if you had an opinion on a recent issue we ran into. I use brid.gy to publish webmentions and pull back responses. Unfortunately recently tumblr has implemented a redirect url to all outgoing links on the html version of the post. This is a problem when sending a webmention, as it makes it difficult for the receiving webmention endpoint to verify
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codemonkey
Further complicating things is the redirect is done using javascript instead of an HTTP header. I was wondering if you had any ideas or opinions on this. Here's a link to the github issue and the conversation that followed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/609
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@INC_says
Hopefully something entertaining on the INC ch. #Inc_says #indie #indiefilm #indieweb 📹📸🎥📽 https://twitter.com/rokuplayer/status/690708070335397888
(twitter.com/_/status/690715105701396480)
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@codemonkey
@t I posted a question on the IndieWeb IRC channel for you, whenever you can get to it. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-22#t1453513959276
(twitter.com/_/status/690715951176626176)
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aaronpk
wow i'm gonna be sending a lot of webmentions once i turn this on
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aaronpk
it will be launching with salmention sending support
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aaronpk
i'm actually blacklisting twitter.com and facebook.com and will never attempt to send webmentions there just to save a few cycles
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GWG
Someone just asked WP Tavern's opinion on webmentions. I already know their editor's opinion without asking.
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acegiak
anyone know much about matrix.org or buddycloud? I'm wondering what IM I should set up when I redo my server
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Loqi
acegiak: GWG left you a message 15 hours, 24 minutes ago: Github or here, whichever works for you. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-22/line/1453460536756
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GWG
Never heard of them
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aaronpk
i've played with matrix.org a little bit. someone wrote a plugin that posts to a micropub server from matrix too
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aaronpk
they're nice
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acegiak
I'll admit I don't quite get the model behind matrix.org and I don't really understand what buddycloud even is
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GWG
I use bitlbee myself for IM.
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bear
buddycloud is a forum/discussion platform built on xmpp
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bear
very web centric
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KartikPrabhu
loqi: messages?
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Loqi
woot!
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@tinokremer
Insightful piece about the open Web and the continues quest of the Silo's to such the life out of it: http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/22/0919.html #indieweb
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@fourtonfish
RT @t Great IndieWebCamp NYC day1! #TheRealBasics #Webmention #LetsEncrypt #DeviceData Portability #Checkins Notes: http://tantek.com/2016/022/t1/great-indiewebcamp-day-1-notes
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@seralf
Webmention: HTML diventa social - http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ #web #rel #webmention #networks #graphs #pingback #socialnetworks #linkeddata
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (-44) "new instructions for getting into the building"
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GWG
Couldn't get out of my neighborhood this morning. Going to have to attend remotely.
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tantek
Hey LaraFZ !
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LaraFZ
Hey!
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tantek
have you heard from Jay?
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (-73) "move bear to remote"
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LaraFZ
yes
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LaraFZ
he is ready to go in
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tantek
great
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sknebel
Is there a way to exclude identity sources from RelMeAuth/IndieAuth?
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anarchivist
i'm probably not coming in today because of the wind more than anything
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GWG
Working on venues/location code
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
we are live on talky.io/indiewebcamp
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tantek
three of us here in the office so far!
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LaraFZ
Does anyone know if there is a way to demo withknown
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LaraFZ
without having to purchase the software first
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LaraFZ
just to try out
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LaraFZ
I don't know if I'd like to use webpress or withknown or squarespace as my blog host
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@devleakslinks
The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb
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LaraFZ
who is loqi
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Loqi
Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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LaraFZ
what is tantek-ing
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Loqi
Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek-ing
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LaraFZ
what is the indieweb?
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Loqi
The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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LaraFZ
what is https?
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Loqi
HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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LaraFZ
what is Apache?
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LaraFZ
the beginning!
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tantek
we're up to 6 here at MozNYC!
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is Apache?
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Loqi
Apache is widely deployed open source web server software https://indiewebcamp.com/Apache
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Sebsel
LaraFZ: (y)
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GWG
Sorry I can't get there in person
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GWG
I should get my camera rehooked.
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Sebsel
Yeah, due to timezones and family business I'm not really able to participate today. But I've been working on my site today! Hope that counts...
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tantek
GWG, we're on talky io indiewebcamp!
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GWG
I know. II need to get my camera rehooked. I may have to switch it to a different computer.
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GWG
Be with you in that manner shortly.
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GWG
Really am sorry I couldn't get there. Couldn't get off my street really.
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sandro
hi Loqi
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sandro
Loqi, how do I found out if you have any messages for me?
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Loqi
dude
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sandro
thanks, Loqi, at least I know where I stand with you.
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tommorris.org
edited /site-deaths (+455) "/* Upcoming */ adding dotCloud with Maciej's hilarious commentary"
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tommorris.org
edited /HTTPS (+382) "/* Why */ adding HTTPS"
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@html_it
Webmention: HTML diventa social: Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Edit
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tommorris
sandro: Loqi will send you a message when you de-lurk (i.e. post a message)
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freescholar
Hello World!
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tommorris
hey freescholar
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GWG
Okay, settling in
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GWG
Got myself something to eat.
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freescholar
tommorris: hello - this is getting more exciting by the minute!!!
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GWG
Back to venueing
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@agaric
IndieWebCamp NY- Livestreaming is up! https://www.youtube.com/ Get involved, connect with those you share a vision with, using free software.
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tantek
who is agaric?
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tommorris
"Agaric Cooperative does web development using free software, for people who do things."
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freescholar
tantek: hi
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codemonkey
I wouldn't suggest tumblr if you are wanting to use brid.gy to send webmentions.
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tantek
hi freescholar !
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tantek
hmm - we're not livestreaming from youtube today
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aaronpk
oops should probably fix the topic
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anarchivist
tantek: can you tell LaraFZ that there is a way to test Known w/o signing up for a paid account? https://withknown.com/new/
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anarchivist
tantek: i had trouble finding it on withknown.com yesterday, and only discovered it *after* i'd signed up for a paid account. :(
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anarchivist
freescholar: that was from yesterday
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freescholar
anarchivist: Thanks - it is great info. and they look so live *lol
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anarchivist
freescholar: they were live ... once :)
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aaronpk
Welcome! Next meetups: IndieWebCamp NYC 1/22-23! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC and Homebrew Website Club Brighton, Göteborg, LA, Portland, & SF https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club. See code of conduct: https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct and logs: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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freescholar
anarchivist: *LOL
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aaronpk
that's what I meant to do
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snarfed
aaronpk (and others): re skipping webmentions to twitter/facebook/etc, feel free to borrow https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/domain_blacklist.txt
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freescholar
IndieWebCamp will be at the heart of this movement to build cooperative platforms owned by us - https://www.goethe.de/ins/us/en/sta/ney/ver.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&event_id=20682385
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snarfed
we're pretty confident in it, and we generally keep it up to date
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aaronpk
those are the domains you never attempt to send webmentions to?
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aaronpk
hopefully that will change once more sites support webmention :)
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snarfed
definitely!
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LaraFZ
Thank you @aaronpk !!!!
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aaronpk
what'd I do?
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LaraFZ
I'm confused today
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LaraFZ
it's the snowstorm
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LaraFZ
than you anarchivist, is what I really meant!
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LaraFZ
and thanks aaron for founding the indie web mouvement
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anarchivist
LaraFZ: np
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freescholar
aaronpk: THANK YOU AARON -- This is a campaign that is just starting, it will be on many sites and will use webmention - https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/what-is-your-free-software-story
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tantek
welcome glennjones !
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glennjones
hi tantek
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Loqi
glennjones: KevinMarks left you a message on 8/21 at 9:27am: did you add "lang" parsing to the js parser? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-21/line/1440174420544
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tantek
glennjones, are you going to join us for IndieWebCamp NYC remotely?
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tantek.com
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glennjones
unfortunately not, I am busy this weekend, but try on catch up on what happens over the next week
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LaraFZ
codemonkey - is this help on how to change your url?
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codemonkey
That's the url to change your url or set a custom domain.
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tommorris
Tumblr: can't keep permalinks for its own docs, but trust us to keep permalinks for your blog.
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bear
it was a walk down memory lane reading that domain webmention blacklist from bridgy - seesmic, pownce, jaiku...
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jay2
codemonkey after clicking the link it just leads to basic account settings, but not the option to change the url
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tantek
tommorris: perhaps they should have used a Tumblr for their docs.
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codemonkey
Aww pownce. I actually prefered pownce over twitter back in the day.
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codemonkey
jay2 - You have to click the pencil next to username and it has a toggle for a custom domain.
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LaraFZ
codemonkey - I'm with Jay here - it's not working
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LaraFZ
when you toggle it just shows email save or cancel
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codemonkey
Hmm. I can share my screen real quick and show everyone on talky.
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codemonkey
Yeah I'm trying to show Lara how to change her domain on tumblr
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LaraFZ
THANK YOU!
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codemonkey
No problem :)
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LaraFZ
You rule :)
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bear
codemonkey++
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Loqi
codemonkey has 1 karma
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+120) "/* Use your own domain */ URL to get to the settings"
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tantek
codemonkey: could you add more steps here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Use_your_own_domain ? I wasn't quite able to follow the steps on talky!
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codemonkey
Yeah one sec
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mwunsch
hi hello
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tantek
hello mwunsch !
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tantek
good crowd here at IWC NYC day 2
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mwunsch
tantek: good to hear! is there another live stream?
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antipolar.tumblr.com
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tantek
codemonkey: we had a quick discussion here about how it's probably better to do the Tumblr step before you A Record
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tantek
because there is a *slight* vulnerability in that if you set an A record, and then someone else does the Tumblr steps, your domain directs to their tumblr
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tantek
I don't know how Tumblr could prevent that
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codemonkey
You can either change the CNAME or A record.
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codemonkey
It can take up to 72 hours to change in the DNS servers.
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antipolar.tumblr.com
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tantek
in practice it seems to propagate a lot faster
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codemonkey
Depends on who's controlling your DNS records. I know when I used Network Solutions it sometimes took up to 12 hours to change.
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mwunsch
it must be lunchtime
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LaraFZ
Yup :)
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LaraFZ
leftovers!!!!
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LaraFZ
woohoo!
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GWG
Maybe I should make lunch
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GWG
I just checked outside
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GWG
Still no plow
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GWG
It shows they plowed a few blocks from here, but not this block
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mwunsch
LaraFZ: guide is here: https://pages.github.com/
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@WebOlistico
Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/
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mwunsch
be back online in just a bit!
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tantek
hey remote participants we're going to take a photo soon - so get ready!
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tantek
gwg, mwunsch, aaronpk, codemonkey
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codemonkey
Ready but talky just froze
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@ServiziWeb
Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/
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codemonkey
Your connection is in and out on talky
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GWG
It is?
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GWG
Talky hasn't been doing so well lately.
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codemonkey
I think it was just their location because your feed was fine.
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GWG
So we end up with a closeup of tantek's beard?
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bear
what is the video link?
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GWG
We're heading to Brooklyn?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "video link" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C1
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GWG
bear: We seem to be on talky.io/indiewebcamp today
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GWG
The quality isn't so wonderful though.
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GWG
bear: Can you hear clearly?
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bear
nope - lot's of artifacts and noise - i'll just stay offline and work on my talk
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codemonkey
It wasn't clear but I could hear you.
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GWG
I just muted it.
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GWG
I think Hangouts worked better
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codemonkey
Yeah the feed over at Mozilla seems to be going in and out.
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tantek
We are going to cut IndieWebCamp NYC short today at about 14:30 (to give everyone plenty of time to get home in daylight), and then resume tomorrow at 11:00!
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@esperienziale
Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/
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GWG
tantek: I'll be on for that as well, regretably I have work at 2:45, so I'll skip out after that.
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GWG
Will stay here working though
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GWG
I can't get this term meta stuff working
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GWG
Might have to try a different approach
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KevinMarks
I'm at Hacks/Hackers connect in SF - journalists and coders
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GWG
KevinMarks: Fun
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KevinMarks
hope you aren't all getting snowed in
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GWG
KevinMarks: I got snowed in. That's why I'm not in Manhattan today
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KevinMarks
I saw Tony Haile of chartbeat last night - he was stuck in SF 'cos his NY flights were cancelled, so he's snowed in SF
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codemonkey.withknown.com
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mlncn
hrrsn: Content created by me (<a class="h-card" rel="me" href="http://atomicules.co.uk/"><!-- Using implied h-card properties, which don't always validate, but is actually valid. Might figure out using a decent sized image at some point -->
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david.shanske.com
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GWG
I'm having a little venue UI interface issue.
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tantek
alright time to update schedule pages etc. for tomorrow!!!
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tantek
GWG, want to come in tomorrow? We decided to end early today have a DAY 3 at 11:00!!!
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GWG
tantek: I already answered that question if you scroll up
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KevinMarks
IWC extended remix?
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GWG
I work at 2:45. I'll be on from here till then.
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tantek
UPDATE ALL THE PAGES!
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GWG
Who are you asking?
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+0) "IWC NYC EXTENDED REMIX - NOW TIL SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY"
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GWG
Someone proof that please?
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david.shanske.com
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tantek
on it
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tantek.com
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
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tantek.com
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tommorris.org
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tantek
aaronpk: could you update https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/01/22/1/indiewebcamp to change the end date to 2016-01-24 ?
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
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codemonkey
Talky is being really choppy. Just FYI.
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GWG
codemonkey: That is why I used Hangouts when I ran the video yesterday
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@j
Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving.
(twitter.com/_/status/690982295113695233)
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@kevinmarks
RT @j Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving.
(twitter.com/_/status/690982699679416320)
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GWG
@j and @t are both @mozillanyc? How many more letters can we invite?
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KevinMarks
I've met @k and @_ and @r
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GWG
Maybe we could just get all the ones together between @j and @t and sort them alphabetically.
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tantek
I think we're all wrapped up here for the day at IndieWebCamp NYC - will start again tomorrow 11:00 EST!
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GWG
Indiewebcamp NYC continues here in the chat room.
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@ZooFood
RT @j Spending the blizzard holed up at @MozillaNYC for #IndieWebCamp. We have burritos and seltzer and good wifi. Never leaving.
(twitter.com/_/status/690992719355707392)
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rabbit.withknown.com
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jcn.me
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jcn.me
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GWG
Making nice progress here.
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jgarber
KevinMarks: A new project from Larry Halff? Definitely worth a look!
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KevinMarks
an old one…
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jgarber
KevinMarks: An old project from Larry Halff? Definitely worth a look! ;) (Totally missed the copyright date on it…)
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KevinMarks
kylewm: did you move your silo.pub for POSSE to known as well?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: he said he probably will for kylewm.com at least, yes
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KevinMarks
has anyone got a micropub ui I can fork easily?
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snarfed
quill?
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GWG
This is going to be the most Javascript I've had to do on anything. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to that.
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