#indiewebcamp 2016-01-24

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@SEOJoomla2014 Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/ (twitter.com/_/status/691048451832975361)
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@ZioPal Webmention: HTML diventa social - Il W3C ha recentemente pubblicato la prima bozza pubblica relativa alle speci... http://blog.html.it/22/01/2016/webmention-html-diventa-social/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Edit (twitter.com/_/status/691053052153954305)
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KevinMarks damn, hit the appengine project limit
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GWG What is the shortest term I can put on a button that uses the HTML5 geolocation API to retrieve Longitude and Latitude?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shortest term I can put on a button that uses the HTML5 geolocation API to retrieve Longitude and Latitude" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C2
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snarfed GWG: https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/351642/gps_location_navigate_navigation_pointer_position_target_icon ?
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GWG I was looking for a word, as opposed to an icon
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snarfed right. i proposed an icon :P
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GWG I'm trying to update my location plugin. I've had a series of failures.
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GWG One would think this one would be an easy one
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sknebel "GPS"? it isn't actually GPS in many cases, but might be clear enough?
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sknebel All examples I can think of use an icon though
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GWG I currently set it to "Where am I?"
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */ update counts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+63) "checkmarks for attendees" (view diff)
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@t #IndieWebCamp NYC day 2! These #independents braved #JonasBlizzard to be here @MozillaNYC… (http://tantek.com/2016/023/t2/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-2-independents) https://twitter.com/t/status/691106811974254598/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691106811974254598)
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tantek !tell snarfed, kylewm good news! Bridgy Publish POSSE to Facebook person-tagged a bunch of people who AFAIK have *never* signed up with Bridgy. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102091548836163 (two of whom I'm not even friends with on FB, so that's a pretty neat trick)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed made the oauth-dropins screencast for applying for Instagram permissions: https://youtu.be/HKaALJ81L-Q
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 39 minutes ago: good news! Bridgy Publish POSSE to Facebook person-tagged a bunch of people who AFAIK have *never* signed up with Bridgy. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102091548836163 (two of whom I'm not even friends with on FB, so that's a pretty neat trick) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-23/line/1453608153161
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snarfed pretty sure they'll deny it just like they denied bridgy, but we'll see
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snarfed tantek: yay! and ugh. still wish i knew why person tagging didn't work last time. wish the FB API was more predictable!
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Loqi giggles
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tantek snarfed: but how did it work better than possibly expected?!?
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snarfed agreed, wish i knew that too
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tantek most of the people tagged are not Bridgy users (have never auth'd in)
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tantek TWO of the people I am not even friends with!
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tantek (which Facebook's people-tagging UI itself does not support)
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snarfed honestly i doubt we were 100% certain of the limits before
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snarfed understood
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tantek so somehow I'm able to do MORE person-tagging of a FB photo via Bridgy Publish, than with the FB UI itself!
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snarfed in this case at least!
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snarfed and last time you were able to do less
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snarfed who knows
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tantek One change: I made sure ALL FB profile URLs I person-tagged with used numerical IDs (except the link to my own, which I think didn't matter since I'd auth'd in with Bridgy)
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tantek well I'll keep gathering data points until we can spot more patterns
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GWG I feel stuck on this. I guess I need a break.
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tantek GWG, it's a good hour to call it a night and see if you can do some more in the morning
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GWG I just nodded off for three hours sitting on my couch trying to get some distance, so I may be up for a bit longer.
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@yoshiks Webmention : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/691168599495430144)
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@jkphl is finally writing his article about the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg for the @nueww magazine & blog. Join us there! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/691197469569478656)
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@mschottenhammer RT @jkphl is finally writing his article about the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg for the @nueww magazine & blog. Join us there! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/691218225250615296)
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@bertramgeck RT @jkphl is finally writing his article about the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg for the @nueww magazine & blog. Join us there! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/691231731324690436)
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@codemonkey RT @t #IndieWebCamp NYC day 2! These #independents braved #JonasBlizzard to be here @MozillaNYC… (http://tantek.com/2016/023/t2/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-2-independents) https://twitter.com/t/status/691106811974254598/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691261869730897921)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (-30) "push Sunday forward an hour" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Schedule (-59) "push Sunday forward an hour" (view diff)
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tantek hey everyone in NYC, we're going to start at noon today
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tantek at MozillaNYC
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tantek tommorris, anarchivist, pass it on
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anarchivist tantek: thanks for the heads up
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GWG I'm still buried here
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tommorris if anyone gets to Mozilla early, we can let you into the lift area by the office so you can sit on the floor and use the wifi etc. ;)
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tommorris just ping me on here
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sixtwothree.org edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+269) "/* Remote Participants */ Added self to list of remote participants." (view diff)
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anarchivist !tell tantek i might be in today, albeit definitely after 12 - probably closer to 1
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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hrrsn ben mlncn and i are planning on heading down to mozilla soon
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GWG Great
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sknebel Is there a way to exclude identity sources from RelMeAuth/IndieAuth? (aaronpk?)
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sknebel As in, have rel=me links on my main page, but specify which I trust for authentication purposes?
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aaronpk sknebel: no, that hasn't come up yet
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aaronpk you could just not add the rel=me attribute to them
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voxpelli trust level data on top of links seems like a possibly complex issue
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sknebel as long as there isn't anything else that wants them linked
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voxpelli it's something that might be better suited by the consumer to solve rather than the publisher
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voxpelli already today non-https links are eg. ignored by most consumers
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aaronpk I just realized I haven't dealt with my short URL redirects on my new site yet!
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sknebel on the other hand, the consumer can't know what the publishers personal policy is
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sknebel e.g. "I have 2FA active on these services, they are better"
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sknebel or "I am on service X, but I don't trust them enough"
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sknebel but consumers could make that configurable
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aaronpk sknebel: the other way to handle it is to point to your own authorization endpoint so you can customize that all you want
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sknebel true
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voxpelli aaronpk: will eg. IndieAuth still allow rel-me logins for that page then or will everything be deferred to that endpoint?
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aaronpk indieauth.com would still show you the rel=me logins
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aaronpk but clients like Quill don't use the rel=me values at all
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aaronpk so for any micropub client, it would defer to your auth endpoint directly
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aaronpk I suppose that's an interesting question. For authentication-only clients like indieauth.com, would it make sense for them to not allow the rel=me providers if an authorization endpoint is explicitly set?
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voxpelli Maybe, it would make it possible to enforce higher security for ones IndieAuth while maintaining good metadata
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aaronpk it also means you don't lose the ability to rel-me-auth with clients that don't support a custom authorization endpoint
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voxpelli +1
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aaronpk that seems like a good policy for indieauth.com though. If you've gone to the trouble of pointing to a specific authorization endpoint, it should only allow that option. also means it can redirect automatically and skip the prompt which is better UX
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sknebel what other services/purposes are there for that rel=me is actively used? The wiki doesn't have a list
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aaronpk some peoples' websites allow rel=me auth in order to view private posts and such
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sknebel (of course, having nice metadata is good, to enable people to actually start using it if they come up with something)
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@JimHeskett RT @IndieAnswers Indie author answers now has a dedicated page! http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/691309710419472384)
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@IndieAnswers Indie author answers now has a dedicated page! http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/691309550813642752)
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aaronpk oh also using indieauth.com as an openid provider while using a rel=me link as the identity is pretty common
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aaronpk indieauth.com is one of the few remaining openid providers
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aaronpk documented this convo here: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/112
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sknebel all different types of authentication purposes
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sknebel so right now it is unlikely to break something if I only list "trusted" relations
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aaronpk tantek can probably speak more to this, but I think there is also something to be said for not adding rel=me to a link that you don't explicitly trust anyway
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sknebel yeah, your getting into different levels of trust then, which always gets messy
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aaronpk true
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sknebel academic right now anyways, since there isn't anything really important I can use IndieAuth for
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aaronpk depends on your definition of "important" ;-)
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aaronpk lots of people use it to sign in to their stackoverflow accounts now
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sknebel yeah, purely from my perspective
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sknebel things like private messages on others' pages might be "important" as well
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sknebel I just wondered if there were a standard like <a href=xxx rel=me no-auth> or similar
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sknebel or auth-policy="something" to add further constraints, but that might be overdesigning it
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MozillaNYC what is domain privacy?
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Loqi Domain privacy refers to privacy concerns around the contact information that is publicly available with each domain name registration https://indiewebcamp.com/domain_privacy
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voxpelli sknebel: before RelMeAuth rel-me was mostly used to consolidate people's profiles across sites
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voxpelli Like Google did with their Social Graph API
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voxpelli There's a different level of trust involved in something like that
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voxpelli But important when one has more than one profile if one wants to be able to consolidate them
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aaronpk oh my gosh, I think something about cassis.js is different in PHP 5.6
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MozillaNYC oh dear
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voxpelli 😱
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aaronpk running num_to_sxg generated this gem: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/7c26d938be23a2375ad5
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www.svenknebel.de edited /domain_privacy (+348) "note about differing policies + examples" (view diff)
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MozillaNYC aaronpk, hmm, output buffering is supposed to fix that, or maybe I need to add a disclaimer about not using "inline" content for output
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aaronpk it has something to do with the comments in that function, not the output buffering
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tantek the comments in that function are only comments to JS
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Loqi tantek: anarchivist left you a message 54 minutes ago: i might be in today, albeit definitely after 12 - probably closer to 1 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-24/line/1453655083318
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aaronpk other way around it looks like. only comments in PHP (`var $d, $m` isn't PHP syntax)
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tantek oh sorry, right
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aaronpk so in PHP it's supposed to output that a an HTML comment, which then should get trapped by output buffering
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tantek correct
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tantek but if you put some inline content, then call a CASSIS function, then add more inline content, that will all end up in the same output buffer!
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aaronpk i guess i can't use it as a regular function then, without wrapping the function call in output buffering
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tantek or don't use inline content in your PHP
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tantek that is, generate all your content into a string
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aaronpk that's what i'm doing tho
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aaronpk i'm trying to build a string that's returned which is then output later
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tantek hmm then I don't know what is happening
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aaronpk i'm tempted to package up these newbase60 functions as their own package since that's all i'm using out of cassis.js anyway
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tantek aaronpk: interesting, should I do that in the /cassis/ repo?
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tantek that is, have a newbase60.js that's a subset?
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tantek very cool thing tommorris just did
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aaronpk i want to put a version of it on packagist.org, and remove the JS from it so that it doesn't output HTML comments
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tantek he created a simple "start your web page" index.html in his github
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tantek so all you have to do is fork it
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tantek then rename the repo it is in
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tantek to yourgithubname.github.io
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tantek and then you have a static site!
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@paulrobertlloyd @seb_ly Remember: LOCKSS (lots of copies keeps stuff safe)—which is why hosting yourself and then syndicating out, is even better. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/691321485638668290)
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tantek aaronpk - would you consider a post-processing script instead that stripped the /// comments?
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tantek from the cassis.js source?
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tantek instead of a fork that is
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aaronpk hm that would actually be a better way to publish cassis to packagist
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aaronpk basically remove all HTML comments from the source
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aaronpk let me see if i can do that
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aaronpk oh my, i never sent a pull request from my additions in 2014
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik commented 'Hey Kevin Marks did you mean to POSSE to Indie Web Camp instead of your own prof...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-30-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/688447421193285/posts/1018983714806319?comment_id=1019371324767558)
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MozillaNYC looks like regardless of whether you configure an A record or a CNAME with your DNS provider, if you're using github pages to serve your domain, you have to create a "CNAME" text file at the root of your githubname.github.io repo: https://help.github.com/articles/adding-a-cname-file-to-your-repository/
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MozillaNYC what is TTL?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TTL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C3
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GWG The plow just finally showed.
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EmmaHodge hello!
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EmmaHodge what is domain privacy?
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Loqi Domain privacy refers to privacy concerns around the contact information that is publicly available with each domain name registration https://indiewebcamp.com/domain_privacy
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EmmaHodge how can i make my website awesome?
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EmmaHodge what is a personal website?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personal website" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C4
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PaulBruk Hello guys!
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MozillaNYC welcome EmmaHodge and PaulBruk!
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EmmaHodge yay! thank you :)
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk oh my god the number of comment tricks in this code is insane
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mlncn hello nyc campers! You've got two more outside!
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aaronpk i migjht need to use an actual PHP language parser to evaluate this
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mlncn tommorris tantek are you inside? at the door
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KevinMarks tantek is the king of magic syntax
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voxpelli aaronpk: seems like eg. https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser would be able convert both ways
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GWG I'm still stumbling on my project for this weekend. I am nowhere near completion.
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snarfed happy IWC NYC all!
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snarfed if anyone's taken any video in the past few days, feel free to use bridgy publish to posse it to facebook, twitter, or flickr!
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snarfed looking forward to seeing more people try it out in the wild :P
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MozillaNYC Thanks snarfed!!!
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MozillaNYC what is magic syntax?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "magic syntax" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C5
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KevinMarks you could backport the python one, aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/newBase60py/blob/master/newbase60.py
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tantek snarfed - will do!
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aaronpk KevinMarks: it's trivial to remove the JS comments from that particular function, but i'd rather have a solid cassis.js solution on packagist that is written in only plain php
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aaronpk whoa http://php.net/manual/en/function.php-strip-whitespace.php
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voxpelli wow, PHP never ceases to amaze
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anarchivist tantek, MozillaNYC: just arrived. can someone let me in?
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tommorris anarchivist: mlncn is on his way
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aaronpk i've turned cassis.js into a single line cassis.php O.o
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GWG I could use more advice.I can't figure out this Post UI design
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GWG Or rather post/venue UI design
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GWG Should my venue UI be separate from my post UI, or integrated in...etc?
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GWG I think I need to go back to the sketching phase on this for a bit.
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@kevinmarks @hunterwalk if you want to build a new twitter, we have some great #indieweb protocols to do it with (twitter.com/_/status/691338020260151297)
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tommorris what NYC is like: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tommorris/albums/72157663845033006
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GWG tommorris: You can actually see the street in Manhattan. I can't in Queens.
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snarfed https://twitter.com/CaseyNeistat/status/691272769791791104
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@CaseyNeistat SNOWBOARD TIMES SQUARE 2016, have you seen it?? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRv7G7WpOoU&feature=youtu.be https://twitter.com/CaseyNeistat/status/691272769791791104/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691272769791791104)
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snarfed https://twitter.com/BoucherMitch/status/690964772624293888
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@BoucherMitch JFK Airport. #snowmaggedon2016 [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/690964772624293888)
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snarfed retires to #indiechat
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GWG Anyone have any venue UI screenshots that might inspire me?
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tantek GWG, tommorris was making some good progress yesterday - I saw it!
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aaronpk why are there so many websites that can format PHP code but no libraries?
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GWG tantek: I'm still stuck. I've made a lot of improvements, but until I can create a venue easily, it is not good enough.
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GWG I'm also trying to figure out the location interface for posts, which complements this.
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tantek snarfed: I saw people cross-country skiing in Central Park this morning!
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snarfed it's been lightly raining on and off in SF
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snarfed so basically the same thing
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KevinMarks it was tipping it down on friday
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/libertymadison/status/691340222223634432
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@libertymadison #SquadGoals #hhconnect @scottros @kevinmarks @goelsanjay @edbice @LudwigDumont @vvling121 @PattyOien #startuplife [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/691340222223634432)
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KevinMarks I'm finally in a squad
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KevinMarks I need to do a better write-up of Scott's dream tool, as I think we have the bits to make it
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KevinMarks multiple POSSE for long-form writing with previews is the short version
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KevinMarks I'll get him to come to HWC SF this week
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GWG A squad?
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aaronpk *sigh* I can't find anything that will turn this one-line PHP file back into pretty-printed source
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aaronpk cassis.php works just fine this way, but it will be impossible to debug since it's all in one line
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tantek KevinMarks: not sure if there's enough attitude being projected for that photo to be considered of a "squad" ;)
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aaronpk hm I can easily regex it so at least each function is on its own line
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tantek I should just write more one-line functions :D
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aaronpk tantek: how do you feel about cassis.php being a 122-line file?
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tantek fine by me, will encourage folks to contribute to cassis.js instead instead of forking cassis.php
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aaronpk the transform from cassis.js is done using php_strip_whitespace and then some regexes. seems to work fine!
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KevinMarks one line functions make me shudder
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aaronpk and now there is no comment hacks (or any comments for that matter)
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aaronpk and ob_start isn't required
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aaronpk tantek: would you mind merging this? https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/23 it just adds tests for the ellipsize function
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tantek on it
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aaronpk and then i'll PR this bigger change and then we'll need to make a new tag so it gets pushed to packagist
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tantek makes sense
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tantek oops I had a 2 month old outstanding commit myself!
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tantek or no wait I think I just misinterpreted the Github App UI
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aaronpk here we go! https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/24
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tantek welcome LaraFZ!
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codemonkey It's illegal to publish photographs of the Eiffel Tower at Night. Because the "light show" is copyrighted but the design of the tower is outside copyright now.
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tantek wow
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tantek does anyone POSSE to imgur?
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tantek apparently they have an API
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tantek what is imgur?
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Loqi imgur is an image hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/imgur
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GWG Looking at WordPress Geolocation Post UI elements https://wordpress.org/plugins/geolocation/screenshots/
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aaronpk tantek: once this is in, I'm also making the existing auto_link tests run in the PHP side https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/24
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tantek aaronpk: nice! I do have a few cassis tests (both js and php) locally that I should figure out how to put them in the repo
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aaronpk if you have them as JSON data I can easily add it in the framework i'm setting up
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aaronpk i'm making these PHP tests use the same JSON data that the JS tests are using
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aaronpk pulling out these into a .json file so that I can read them from PHP https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/test/auto_link-test.js#L19
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tommorris codemonkey, tantek: wrote a long thing about copyright absurdities here - https://tommorris.org/posts/2621
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aaronpk tantek: yeah I have this pretty well set up now. if you just add the test data into a JSON file (or anything really) I will wire it up on both sides
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aaronpk okay well that was a fun diversion
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aaronpk now back to my short URL handling
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aaronpk (I'm hoping tantek merges that soon so I can get back to work on my site)
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miklb GWG: is this in a public repo somewhere?
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tantek looks
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tantek welcome back LaraFZ!
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GWG miklb: Is what in a public repo?
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GWG I'm working on my own Location plugin, which is. I was looking at the old ones, which are not maintained and don't handle things the way I need to, for ideas.
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GWG miklb: Mine is at https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location, but I'm doing a major rewrite. It had a lot of problems.
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tantek aaronpk: done
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aaronpk woohoo!
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tantek so I commented on a few issues you opened :)
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aaronpk forgot I had some issues open!
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tantek I think you just helped close some of them
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aaronpk i'd love to get your new tests in there too. i have another PR coming that refactors the tests to make it easier to use the same test data in both JS and PHP
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aaronpk https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25
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aaronpk check out what i've done, added a new "test-data" folder which has a json file that contains the test data that can be used in both languages https://github.com/aaronpk/cassis
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tantek cool. adding to the test suite can probably be a separate issue. rather than "add a test suite" which I think you have now done :)
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aaronpk yep!
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GWG What are people working on?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "people working on" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C6
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GWG Specifically at IWC NYC.
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PaulBruk what is "pesos"
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tommorris what is pesos?
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ fix Loqi parser?
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Loqi who, me?
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Loqi PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site https://indiewebcamp.com/pesos
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aaronpk ooh with quotes?
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tantek yes
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tommorris aaronpk, tantek: maybe we could use wit.ai for the natural language parsing
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tantek aaronpk: and if someone puts an escaped quote, just respond with: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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tantek (per little bobby drop tables obv)
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aaronpk lol
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tommorris what is pesos; DROP DATABASE
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pesos; DROP DATABASE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C7
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tantek what is PESOS\"; DROP DATABASE?
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aaronpk oh dear
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tommorris what is PESOS {{CURRENT_YEAR}}
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PESOS {{CURRENT_YEAR}}" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C8
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tommorris what is <?php php_info(); ?>
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "<" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10C9
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aaronpk tantek: i'm gonna fix the 32-bit issue too
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aaronpk https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/17
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tommorris what is <\?php php_info(); \?>
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "<\" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CA
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tantek oh dear - aaronpk did not mean to nerdsnipe you into that
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tommorris I'm a terrible person
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tantek where is aaronpk?
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Loqi Sorry, there was a problem retrieving the locations.
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aaronpk oh i should hook that up to my new clock
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PaulBruk what is clock
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "clock" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CB
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aaronpk well i'm gonna fix it in PHP anyway
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PaulBruk what is magic checkin clock?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "magic checkin clock" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CC
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@RikMende RT @devleakslinks The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/691364509928263680)
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@RikMende RT @tinokremer Insightful piece about the open Web and the continues quest of the Silo's to such the life out of it: http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/22/0919.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/691364629793116160)
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GWG I don't get the clock
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tantek what is devleaks?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "devleaks" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CD
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GWG I would have gone with something more digital.
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aaronpk the whole point is that it's analog though :)
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aaronpk ooh how long until demos?
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Loqi I don't know
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tantek aaronpk we are live on talky io indiewebcamp
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GWG aaronpk: Maybe if it was more gauge-like. I think it is the clock part that doesn't appeal to me. But I am impressed with the work
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aaronpk hm i can't find my camera
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aaronpk when are demos? i might be able to show something :)
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Demos
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GWG Can someone set up the Youtube live to tape recording for the Demos?
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GWG I'd like to watch them later
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tommorris what is "pesos"?
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Loqi PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site https://indiewebcamp.com/pesos
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tommorris aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 60 karma
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tommorris Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 384 karma
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tantek what are "scare quotes"?
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Loqi Scare Quotes are quotation marks used for emphasis, often by people who doesn't understand how to bold or italicize text https://indiewebcamp.com/Scare_Quotes
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tommorris tantek: https://developer.foursquare.com/docs/tips/add
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tommorris tantek: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Weasley_Clock
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tommorris what is mortal peril?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mortal peril" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CE
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tantek mortal peril is a type of physical hazard, often life-threatening, experienced only by mortals.
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Loqi ok
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tommorris wouldn't necessarily have to be based on checkins - iMessage lets you send a constant stream of location updates to someone for a limited time (4h/24h I believe)
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tommorris often used for friends or partners to find each other or track travel ETA
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tantek tommorris: once you've got a real world example, feel free to rename to magic location clock :)
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aaronpk the advantage of checkins is it gives you the category data, since in real life, places often overlap
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tommorris checked into mortal peril
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aaronpk for example, my dentist is directly on top of a deli
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aaronpk also "traveling" does not have a specific location, so I use the bus/transit/train stop category as a proxy for that "location"
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tantek aaronpk: your post on the clock is a good test case for /facepile and multi-silo backfeeds: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2016/01/04/2/harry-potter-clock
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aaronpk ha yes it is
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aaronpk tantek: okay this one's a little more complicated: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25
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tantek then it's going to wait til I'm back from NYC
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aaronpk okay, let's release a version to packagist for what's in master now then
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aaronpk all you have to do is make a release here with whatever versioning scheme you're using https://github.com/tantek/cassis/releases
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aaronpk i'm not sure what the 16124 number represents
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tantek probably something to do with days since epoc start
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tantek AKA epoc days
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tantek Looks like Emma's site is up! http://emmahodge.org/
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tommorris aaronpk: you could also use data from TripIt for pre-planned flights etc.
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tommorris tantek: just for future reference - gandi.net zone file modification (rather than DNS server change), A records + Github CNAME file. also the TTL issue
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tommorris gandi.net standard SSL = 10,800 secs = 180 minutes = 3 hours
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tommorris TTL not SSL
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tantek Gandinet's TTL is by default ~3hrs, so if you buy a domain name from Gandi then it will take 3 hrs for your site to show up at your domain name
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tantek important for new folks setting up their sites
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tommorris in my brain, TTL = thru-the-lens (camera metering) rather than time to live
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aaronpk is popping a few levels off the stack
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GWG I always think of Transistor-Transistor Logic myself
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tantek GWG, I'm right there with you. Trusty 7400 NAND gates and all.
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tantek what is Authy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Authy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CF
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GWG Authy is a two factor authentication service that allows for backup.
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Loqi ok
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GWG If I remember correctly.
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GWG tantek: I still stink at soldering though, but I did take Electronics in school
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codemonkey 1Password is really effective for me!
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codemonkey (I use authy for 2 factor as well)
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tantek good to kno!
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tantek codemonkey: feel free to add yourself to an "IndieWeb Examples" section on the /Authy page!
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aaronpk tommorris: wat
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tantek what is patrolling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "patrolling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CG
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tantek patrolling is /wiki_patrolling
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is wiki patrolling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki patrolling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CH
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GWG I use LastPass as a matter of preference.
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tantek what is LastPass?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LastPass" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CJ
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tommorris aaronpk: ^^
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aaronpk not quite sure I understand
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GWG LastPass is a popular password vault that supports a variety of features.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk is it a kind of mark that a page has been "approved" by someone?
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tantek aaronpk: anyone can come into the channel and trick Loqi into adding stuff to the wiki
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk right but I don't understand what marking it as patrolled does
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tommorris aaronpk: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1 is stuff that hasn't been approved
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MozillaNYC demos starting!
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aaronpk I always thought it was to flag something, as a negative thing
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tommorris aaronpk: enwp.org/WP:NPP explains it in en.wikipedia context
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tommorris logging to IRC
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MozillaNYC aaronpk - join talky io indiewebcamp if you want to watch demos!
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MozillaNYC talky.io/indiewebcamp
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GWG Will ask again if someone wants to record it for me
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aaronpk still not quite sure I get it. is it an approval of new pages then?
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aaronpk anything unpatrolled is un-verified?
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MozillaNYC Demos on
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MozillaNYC Emma Hodge created emmahodge.org
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tommorris https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
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MozillaNYC registered with gandi.net
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MozillaNYC forked from the blank-gh-site that tommorris created and put on the indieweb org on github
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MozillaNYC renamed the repo to githubuser.github.io
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MozillaNYC the index.html contains an h-card with a name
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MozillaNYC and a link to Twitter where people should put in their twitter account, already has rel=me
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tommorris https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site/network
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MozillaNYC using this technique we can get a list of who has forked that page, and help them out
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MozillaNYC she edited the Zone File in her gandi.net settings for her domain
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MozillaNYC added an A record entry, @ A (IP address from github)
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MozillaNYC and we noticed that the TTL was 3 hours, so it took a while to take effect
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MozillaNYC meanwhile she also had to create a file called "CNAME" at the root of her static site repo on github with just one line of "emmahodge.org"
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MozillaNYC she edited the index.html file and commited it, a few hours later it worked: http://emmahodge.org/
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miklb wonders if it's inappropriate to chime in during demo
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MozillaNYC miklb, if you do, please watch/listen via the talky channel so you know when we're talking (out loud) etc.
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MozillaNYC next demo
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codemonkey indiewebcat is aaronpk I believe
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MozillaNYC Tantek documented some of the techniques we came up with for Device Data Portability as how tos
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/iPod#How_to
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GWG I'm only watching the chat
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tommorris KITTEHS
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tommorris keep indiewebcat's attention by adding a POSSE of mice
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aaronpk indiewebcat made an appearance
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MozillaNYC (showed the wiki page, and talked through the reasons for it)
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MozillaNYC Paulo is going next
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tommorris https://paulbruk.github.com/
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tommorris https://paulbruk.github.io/
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GWG Paolo is a human on the internet...I suppose, with all these cats having their own websites, that is in question....
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GWG I always assume all the people I talk to online are human, but that is specist of me.
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tommorris "human on the internet" is my wording from blank-gh-site
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codemonkey The screensharing doesn't stop the video from transmitting.
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codemonkey shakey cam :\
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MozillaNYC next up tommorris demoing
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MozillaNYC worked on checkins
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MozillaNYC private posts and venues
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MozillaNYC shows how not-logged in view works with private posts
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MozillaNYC private posts don't show up in lists
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MozillaNYC and permalinks get a 403
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MozillaNYC shows his admin site with venue creation / editing page
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GWG tommorris: Still have to work on not being specist.
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GWG tommorris: Can I have a screenshot of the venue creation/UI?
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MozillaNYC tommorris, perhaps screenshot it and add it to the /venue page
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MozillaNYC tommorris shows a venue permalink
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MozillaNYC in his /places/times-square
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MozillaNYC each venue can also have a Foursquare venue ID
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MozillaNYC Foursquare API lets you pass along a URL along with a tip
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MozillaNYC so if you post tips on your own site, you can POSSE them to Foursquare and send the permalink to the original as the URL of the tip!
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MozillaNYC did a bunch of internationalization work too
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MozillaNYC switching laptops
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MozillaNYC next up mlncn
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codemonkey can you move the camera just a little so we can see the entire screen?
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MozillaNYC who will be demoing Bridget's site
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MozillaNYC she got her domain registered
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MozillaNYC setup hosting at mayfirst.org
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MozillaNYC they do hosting as a cooperative service, members not customers
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MozillaNYC bridgetharrison.org is up!
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mlncn_ https://github.com/mlncn/Flex
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MozillaNYC here's the theme from Pelican, called Flex that she's using
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MozillaNYC ben edited couple of things in the theme so the social links are rel=me links
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MozillaNYC and in the footer we have an h-card
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MozillaNYC what is Pelican?
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Loqi Pelican is a Python-based static site generator https://indiewebcamp.com/Pelican
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MozillaNYC what is Flex?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Flex" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CK
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MozillaNYC next up Mark Matienzo
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MozillaNYC added h-entry markup and webmention link rels
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MozillaNYC to his site matienzo.org
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MozillaNYC he referenced the wiki pages for this indiewebcamp nyc
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MozillaNYC and he successfully sent a webmention
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tantek aaronpk: what happens to webmentions sent to indiewebcamp.com? do they get displayed here?
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MozillaNYC wanted to work on this to figure out use of webmentions for the IIIF community
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aaronpk I broke the clustering, so only ones that don't get clustered are showing up right now
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aaronpk there is one demo from portland :)
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MozillaNYC last demo from NYC
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MozillaNYC LaraFZ who is not here right now, registered her own domain name for her project(s) and started setting up a static site on github, as well as experimenting with both WordPress.com and Withknown.com
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MozillaNYC she has http://hipstersgo.com/
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MozillaNYC and created https://github.com/hipstersgo
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MozillaNYC WordPress test site: hipstersgo.wordpress.com
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MozillaNYC Withknown test site: https://hipstersgo.com.withknown.com/
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MozillaNYC (just trust it)
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tommorris go ahead aaronpk
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tantek last demo from aaronpk!
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tantek his site is aaronparecki.com
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tantek has been working for many months to refactor and rewrite everything
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tantek just days away from launching this
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tantek tried to do a test launch today on his cat's website
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tantek which is running the same software
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tantek this is the current site indiewebcat.com
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tantek had to setup all the content and redirects for the old URLs
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tantek it has been imported to a new site, which is on new.indiewebcat.com
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tantek the import finished so he can switch it right now!
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GWG Huzzah
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aaronpk woo new site! hopefully I didn't break things I don't know about
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codemonkey It was awesome Tantek! Thanks for organizing everything. It's been a blast watching you all.
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MozillaNYC thanks codemonkey for all the help on IRC!
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tantek GWG, thanks for all your help with the session recordings!
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tantek Can you get those youtube links to the sessions on the session pages?
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PaulBruk Thank you everyone !
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aaronpk how do I get one of those stuffed firefoxes?
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aaronpk I think it should be friends with indiewebcat
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GWG tantek: I'm thinking of trying to put together a video package on the cheap. WordPress has this idea.
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MozillaNYC good question aaronpk
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MozillaNYC there were other requests. for now it looks like they are exclusively a Mozilla office item
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tommorris aaronpk: http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_fox_15/Big_Animals/Squishable+Fox
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tommorris $39
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MozillaNYC awesome!
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aaronpk I see there is a bugzilla ticket for it https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322367
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MozillaNYC that's different
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aaronpk haha
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tantek what is Squishable Fox
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Squishable Fox" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CL
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tantek Squishable Fox is a plush toy that looks like a giant round [[Firefox]] and available for anyone to purchase at http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_fox_15/Big_Animals/Squishable+Fox.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk I can build what now?
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tommorris aaronpk: a website where we can register indiewebcamp non-human NPCs (like the Squishable Fox) so they can be person-tagged
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@jcn Nice and cozy at @indiewebcamp NYC yesterday. http:///photo.gne?rb=1 https://twitter.com/jcn/status/691397596951244800/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691397596951244800)
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aaronpk hehe
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tommorris speaking of...
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aaronpk i have a start to that
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aaronpk i called it "microp3k" and it was basically a super trimmed down version of my site that was easy to make new accounts on
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@FluViruses alistproducer2 comments on "Webmention" - https://t.co/iQKE9qkffE (twitter.com/_/status/690681280825069568)
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aaronpk hmm what's the best way to get a reader/subscriber to de-dupe posts when the URLs change?
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snarfed aaronpk: rss/atom use ids
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snarfed so maybe uid
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aaronpk that means i would have to keep the ID the same when I change the URL?
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snarfed yup
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aaronpk i've seen the uid be the same as the URL most often, which means I'd have to have some tricks to do that
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snarfed right. i don't think many sites have separate long-lived ids right now. it definitely is their point though, if urls can ever change :P
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aaronpk kylewm: does Woodwind check for HTML rel values for the PuSH hub?
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aaronpk nvm looks like it was just delayed
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