#indiewebcamp 2016-01-28

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kylewm
has anyone tried minifying CASSIS? I'm guessing it wouldnt cause problems?
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aaronpk
i did in php
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aaronpk
but not on the JS side
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kylewm
you can minify php?
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aaronpk
sure why not
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kylewm
why would you? :P
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aaronpk
well in this case what I did was remove all the hacks to leave just PHP code
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kylewm
I'm guessing that's what would happen with the js one too
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kylewm
since they're all comments
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kylewm
I'm thinking about making a version of cassis that uses the TLD list from https://github.com/kylewm/brevity/blob/master/brevity.py#L234
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GWG
Github problems?
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bear
major github outage
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@t
Reminder: Homebrew Website Club @MozSF TONIGHT 17:30 Quiet writing hour 18:30 #IndieWeb meetup https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4fT2)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t Reminder: Homebrew Website Club @MozSF TONIGHT 17:30 Quiet writing hour 18:30 #IndieWeb meetup https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4fT2)
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jonnybarnes
github is still down!
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KartikPrabhu
confirmed
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KartikPrabhu
nothing on their Twitter
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tantek
yet github DNS, and github static sites seem up!
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aaronpk
they're updating their status page
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tantek
e.g. from this weekend: emmahodge.org
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matrrix
Hello I am out front of mozilla SF and cannot figure out where to go
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tantek
hey matrrix I'll come let you in!
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matrrix
ok, I am on a bench near a "mozilla community space" sign
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aaronpk
i assume everyone over there is running around like their heads are cut off right now
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KartikPrabhu
wow yeah a sharp fall in services at 1800 what ever timezone
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GWG
Time to run my own git hosted service?
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GWG
Who wants to buy a domain for Indieweb git hosting?
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tantek
maybe for April fools?
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KartikPrabhu
a common indieweb git hosting will have the same spof problem no?
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tantek
or perhaps make it a Lazyweb request of archive.org :)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: exactly
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aaronpk
the only way to indie-host git is to not host it and just have your repo on your computer and then push directly to where you're deploying it
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aaronpk
your git server can't go down if there is no git server ;)
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KartikPrabhu
but have a remote backup in case your own computer goes down ;)
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aaronpk
naturally
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aaronpk
but that can be offline
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KartikPrabhu
but there is collaborative value in having one copy online
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bear
make sure you seperate the git part of what github is from the value add
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aaronpk
basically 100% uptime is really hard no matter what, and chances are someone whose business it is to have as close to 100% uptime is going to do it better than you no matter what
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bear
you can have a dozen git repos all distributed and being updated - it's the issues and wiki and static sites and webhooks that make it harder
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matrrix
didnt someone write some git-in-a-dht-or-blockchain type of thing recently
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aaronpk
lol ow my head
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bear
probably, but as soon as I see "blockchain" in any description my brain blanks out as a defense mechanism
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matrrix
oh its hosted on githbu
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matrrix
so uh woops
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bear
matrrix++
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Loqi
matrrix has 3 karma
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aaronpk
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 98 karma
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matrrix
bear: iirc they were using the blockchain part of it only to create namecoin-like references to repo DHT hashes
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matrrix
it was mostly about pushing to a DHT, or uh something. I couldn't say right now.
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bear
oh I know - it's me being a get-off-my-lawn with all of these bitfoo, barcoin, blockchain-paloza projects
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matrrix
You arent wrong :)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Chris Ruppel replied '@t are there minutes taken? I’m interested but shifted 15 hours ahead of SF righ...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/rupl/status/692527191893110784)
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tantek
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 99 karma
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tantek
you aren't wrong bear: https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (TL;DR - it's pretty much dying / soon to be dead)
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GWG
I think tonight I may continue my attempt at venue design.
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tantek
GWG - get screenshots from tommorris
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tantek
his venue design seemed perfectly reasonable
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tantek
!tell gRegorlove could you take a look at creating perhaps the next two months of HWC pages? e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club to start? Thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
hey who is going to IndieWebCamp MIT and can make an Indie Event for it?
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tantek
realizes he hasn't RSVP because of that
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aaronpk
ooh pick me
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tantek
!tell aaronpk could you post an indie event for IndieWebCamp MIT, and re-use the existing POSSE copies: https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364/ and http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcamp-mit/ and tickets at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-mit-2016-tickets-20820505693
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
lol I had that pretyped up mostly and was copy/pasting
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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tantek
good evening LaraFZ !
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@benwerd
Hanging out at Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF. We're just getting started, but it's not too late to turn up! 6:30-7:30. #indieweb
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GWG
tantek: I asked for them already
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GWG
That isn't so bad, is it?
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GWG
My first popup.
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ben_thatmustbeme
Mmm indie events I needed to get that working at some point
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tantek
GWG, keep asking :)
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tantek
aaronpk: now you just have to RSVP to all the events! https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364/ :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
One been so busy lately haven't had time for much
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aaronpk
I still don't have my flight to boston yet but sure :)
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tantek
I don't have my flight either!
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ben_thatmustbeme
Ummmm I need to see if I can get those days of without using pto
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ben_thatmustbeme
Sent out a bunch of invites just now to the fb copy
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tantek
same here
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GWG
tantek: The keep asking...is that a comment on my mockup in progress?
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ben_thatmustbeme
Actually already had a few responses via eventbrite
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tantek
GWG, no, a comment on asking tommorris :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club - we just finished Indiewebcamp NYC last weekend- we extended it from friday to sunday
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: David Shansky recorded al the sessions for us - that's GWG on irc
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we had a number of folks that didn't have a website and were non-technical, all 4 were set up with a domain and site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we were told that we used so much jargon that it is like learning a foreign language, so we worked on that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: @tommorris created a really simple beginning of my webpage on github: https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site that people can fork
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you go to http://emmahodge.org you can see someone who used tom's template to get her own name as a domain
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: sometimes something really small that is less than a page of code can really help someone understand
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261
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@ChrisAldrich
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I had a problem with my iPod touch losing wifi, and the only answer was to wipe and reinstall, which would lose my data
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: note that while https://github.com/ was down, github.io static sites were still up
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@kingkool68
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: note that while https://github.com/ was down, github.io static sites were still up
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp MIT is on Gregorian Pi day - March 13th - so sign up if you are nearby http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT
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KartikPrabhu
Gregorian Pi day (US version)
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GWG
David Shanske
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KevinMarks
uk version doesn't quite work as April only has 30 days
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KevinMarks
March ist to 1 SF
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KevinMarks
sorry GWG - I'll correct in the blog
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm ben though I look like evil tantek tonight - I run https://withknown.com/ which is an indieweb startup
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tantek
Loqi, you have competition!
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Loqi
is done
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'd like to introduce you to Joshua http://joshua.withknown.com - I built my own Siri
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tantek
joshua++
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Loqi
joshua has 1 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: this uses a web API for speech to text - it puts it through some stanford NLP technology, and looks for signatures
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tantek
s/March 13th/March 14th
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: Siri is a black box, Google Now is a black box, wouldn't it be fun if we could plug our own data into them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: Joshua, is it safe to leave Mozilla? "yes, there isn't a Giants game on"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: The same engine can be attached to slack or whatever, but this runs in a web browser, it's not in a device
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: if someone wants to write a better joke API for it, please do it
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GWG
KevinMarks: I'll have you know it is a proud name changed upon immigration to America after being changed in Russia to avoid being drafted into the Czar's Army.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the technology exists to parse text from speech - we need a way to make it ours too
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Siri is a black box, Google Now is a black box, wouldn't it be fun if we could plug our own data into them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: what happens if you ask "what will the weather be tomorrow?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: it gave me the weather for the server in Dallas - here's it from localhost
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: you need to hook Joshua up to @aaronpk's Loqi
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: yes, I really need to do that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I could make it post for me and tweet for me - or ask it "where should I be?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: wow, it's not much javascript at all
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the technology exists to parse text from speech - we need a way to make it ours too
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: what happens if you ask "what will the weather be tomorrow?"
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: it gave me the weather for the server in Dallas - here's it from localhost
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@libertymadison
No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I have had hashtags on my site for a while, but they only got linked on the POSSE copies to twitter and facebook
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@kevinmarks
RT @libertymadison No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897
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@diddleapp
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: yes, I really need to do that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: so now I markup hashtags with a category automatically on my site so when I POSSE to flickr they go through
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I have been POSSEing manually to flickr with brid.gy - because I added this, flickr has my tags https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/24345146530/in/dateposted/
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GWG
KevinMarks: By the way, the difference is that if you Google Shanske you get me on the first page. If you google Shansky you don't.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I took a photo at Indiewebcamp NYC - and tagged people. and brid.gy copied across the people who gave permission
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GWG
Ah, WordPress
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GWG
Tell me if you need help
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: So @libertymadison, @kevinmarks and I were at Hacks Hackers Connect #HHConnect this weekend and I started a group
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: So I was frustrated with having to cross-post links and posts from my wordpress to lots of other sites,
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: so I proposed a write once, post many places tool - and I understand that https://withknown.com/ does a lot of this
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: we brainstormed ideas on what would help with the problem of cross-posting longform content
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: so this was Lean Product Canvas?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: I had all sorts of quibbles and arguments with the nomenclature - why would the advantage be unfair?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: so the idea would be to create an ideal post with title, image content etc, and then see previews of it in each silo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: so on twitter, if your summary is over 140 you would truncate it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: on twitter, you may need to publish it somewhere else first
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: the challenge I see is the longer form posts that have substructure
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @libertymadison: so we liked the idea of being able to make sense of the post and use AI to map it to what the platform wants
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: I was trying to keep it minimal, so when I hear AI I am a bit wary
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: If we're doing the publish once, syndicate everywhere, I want the post to be in those places honoring their differences
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: it's still hard to do that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the meme with, say, AMP is that the content comes to you - it gets imported by whichever system
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@libertymadison
I want to self publish once and self publish everywhere says @scottros #hhconnect mets #indieweb #ThatTechGirl #startuplife
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: you may have designed it for google search results, but @nuzzel sees the same thing
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@kylewmahan
RT @libertymadison No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: vine needs 6 seconds, instagram 15 seconds, flickr 120 seconds - video is harder
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @libertymadison: I have to do this very day when I ma making video
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: this was heavily publisher and journalist oriented - a lot of people are doing this within their employers systems
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottros: part of being a journalist now is to crosspost your work to tumblr and twiitter and so on
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the criticism I have always got is that people need to re-edit for different destinations
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: people's definition of viable varies - what people expect for audiences is tricky
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I ma stubborn and I think of overlapping audiences, but each site does have
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@libertymadison
@kevinmarks to @benwerd Here take this challenge on and go change the way the world post articles on your next lunch break #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: my take is that we can add substructure to posts that makes sense elsewhere
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@BillSeitz
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: all the joke APIs on the internet I could find are terrible dad jokes from the 1970s - I need a better one
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tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the journey of the entrepreneur is often like Sideshow Bob and the rakes
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tantek.com
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@ChrisAldrich
@kevinmarks @benwerd: #indieweb Is there really no @wordnik or @imdb on the web but for jokes including attribution and tags? #startupidea
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: my domain is http://whatthefuck.computer which gets me more comment on the domain than the content
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: it also ends up as my indiewebcamp wiki username, which is a shame
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: my site is made from a bunch of emacs LISP that makes html pages
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the journey of the entrepreneur is often like Sideshow Bob and the rakes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: I built my own static site engine and started using indieweb stuff to get comments on my blog to automate with brid.gy
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: matrix at http://matrix.org is a modern IRC, a json http API, but the rooms don't live in the same place
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rrrrrrrix: as long as someone is in the room on matrix it persists
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the next Homebrew Website Club is February 10th - post your photos on your own site so we can reuse them
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@ChrisAldrich
Not getting enough #indieweb after Homebrew is over? Try this list for later: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/indieweb
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@startupideabot
RT @ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks @benwerd: #indieweb Is there really no @wordnik or @imdb on the web but for jokes including attribution and tags? #startupidea
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RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: matrix at http://matrix.org is a modern IRC, a json http API, but the rooms don't live in the same place
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matrrix
Very energizing meetup. Thanks ☺
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matrrix
It is not in the Wayback Machine either
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matrrix
huh neat
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matrrix
thank you KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu
shaners changed his URL structure
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matrrix
updates his old blog post that kevin linked to abovelater....
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[shaners]
All that is true. I’m still working on my redirects. :confused:
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[kevinmarks]
Imagine getting the assignment of making Brisbane sound exciting
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pfefferle
good morning all
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@AurelioDeRosa
Very interesting proposal: "Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site." https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/692693691035578370)
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fiatjaf
is LetsAuth something interesting for the indieweb movement? https://github.com/letsauth/letsauth.github.io/wiki
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fiatjaf
a protocol that aims to replace mozilla persona, that could work with silo emails, but also with simple implementations on each one's domains (without the need for an email server) would be very interesting.
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tantek
fiatjaf: could work as an IndieAuth provider mechanism, if it actually gets anywhere.
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tantek
but more importantly, to ask whether it is interesting for the indieweb movement, ask whether it is interesting for you to support on your own site
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tantek
fiatjaf: so in particular, is LetsAuth something you find interesting to implement on your own site?
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created /User:Social.thedavidjohnson.com (+436) "Created page with "= <a class="h-card" href="http://social.thedavidjohnson.com">David G. Johnson</a> = '''<dfn>David G. Johnson</dfn>''' is the founder of Grow The Dream, is a marketer, speaker, po...""
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@JoshuaACNewman
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs
(twitter.com/_/status/692722487868588032)
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aaronpk
kylewm: whoa you've got some crazy javascript in the name and content of this post! https://kylewm.com/2016/01/repost-of-thattechgirls-tweet-c1b012ba6e
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tantek
I miss the previous styling of kylewm.com - it was so beautifully minimal
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@thirdtruck
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs
(twitter.com/_/status/692730758054727681)
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tantek
woo!!!
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tantek
I mean
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tantek
woot!
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aaronpk
it hasn't hit w3c twitter yet
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tantek
has it hit their news yet?
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aaronpk
looks like not yet
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GWG
petermolnar: I'm looking at the Indieweb code you contributed and making some changes.
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Loqi
aaronpk has 65 karma
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aaronpk
found an old wordpress database from my old blog, and i want to import the comments to my new site
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aaronpk
but i'm actually having trouble figuring out which ones are not spam comments!
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@kevinmarks
Very timely, given @benwerd's demo of Joshua, his open source assistant bot last night #indieweb https://twitter.com/mat/status/692749871330127872
(twitter.com/_/status/692752398574444544)
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aaronpk
like "Thanks aaron, this was very useful!"
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aaronpk
and a comment that starts with "Thanks for sharing this enlightening tidbit!" which is actually then a real comment
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singpolyma
aaronpk: pump through akismet to help a bit, maybe?
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aaronpk
i think i got it down to 71 real comments
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aaronpk
but it definitely required a combination of reading the comment text plus looking at the author name and their URL
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fiatjaf
tantek: not my personal website, which has no need for authentication, but for web service I own or might own it is interesting.
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fiatjaf
the point is that people can authenticate themselves from their own sites.
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snarfed
huh. bridgy just backfed me four old facebook responses from mid 2015, all from the same person
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snarfed
some weird FB permission change maybe
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snarfed
(he didn't sign up for bridgy just now though so it's not that)
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@mothersele
Right, I'm off to @FrontEndLondon for some #indieweb chat...
(twitter.com/_/status/692768749305348096)
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GWG
How do you know if your scope has crept too much?
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GWG
We discussed adding rel me to the WordPress Indieweb plugin, and I am thinking of going as far as hcard.
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GWG
Wondering if that goes too far.
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GWG
singpolyma, I was looking at your extended profiles plugin.
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singpolyma
GWG: yeah?
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GWG
You still use it, you said?
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singpolyma
I do, it's on my homepage
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GWG
The discussion was about having the Indiemark identity axis built in the Indieweb plugin.
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GWG
Having some of the h-card fields would be in that vein.
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GWG
Either way, I saw some code about an hcard import?
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singpolyma
hmm, yes. there is such a thing in there
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singpolyma
using the ancient hkit code
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snarfed
indiemark identity axis?!
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GWG
snarfed, level 1 relme level 2 hcard
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GWG
Putting identity into the Indieweb plugin gives people a reason to install it other than the plugin installer.
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GWG
Just trying to figure out the right level of features.
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snarfed
personally indiemark seems very low priority to me compared to actual functionality
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snarfed
but just my opinion
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GWG
snarfed, but what goes in an Indieweb plugin better than the tools to get you Indieauth and an hcard?
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snarfed
oh i misunderstood
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gRegorLove
GWG: My first thought is not to include hcard since most themes already include it with the author info for each post.
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gRegorLove
Possibly broken mf1 hcards... but adding a proper h-card would just cause parser problems at that point, I think?
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 28 minutes ago: could you take a look at creating perhaps the next two months of HWC pages? e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club to start? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-27/line/1453947587493
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snarfed
so it's not indiemark scoring (or whatever) specifically
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snarfed
sgtm then
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GWG
petermolnar wrote some codr, I have the code I put into syndication links...
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GWG
No, it is just how I am describing scope.
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GWG
Indieweb identity
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GWG
gRegorLove, they do include it, but not everything.
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GWG
For example, by default, WordPress has no fields for location.
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gRegorLove
Right, they're just author hcards in posts. Name and profile URL.
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GWG
gRegorLove, singpolyma's old plugin offers a short code and a widget for hcards if I read correctly.
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GWG
Widgets and short codes are plugin territory.
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GWG
So those would work in scope.
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voxpelli
Would be cool to see how people are using the WordPress plugins
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GWG
I am just thinking of a Newcomer who can just add a page to their site with a shortcode, and make that their representative hcard
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GWG
voxpelli, this is based on an experience an attendee to the HWC in SF had.
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GWG
I gathered from commentary no one there could assist.
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GWG
I had relme in one of my plugins, but no one could find it.
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GWG
So, putting it into the Indieweb plugin, seemed to be the consensus.
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voxpelli
yeah, some consolidation would lower the threshold and make it easy to get started
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GWG
So I am trying to merge the various implementations into one base one that can be extended.
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GWG
voxpelli, bingo
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voxpelli
but at the same time consolidation comes at the cost of plurality and customization for power users
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GWG
voxpelli, thus extensibility.
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GWG
And you don't have to use the Indieweb plugin.
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voxpelli
maybe one could think about ways to both make a simple consolidated wp-module that solves 80% of the use cases and is easy to get started with
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voxpelli
which provides a set of best practices out of the box
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GWG
voxpelli, I have some ideas in that direction. If only WordPress did libraries.
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voxpelli
and then one could move to the more advanced modules once one grows out of that one and wants more customization
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GWG
Voxpelli, in this case, that is the Indieweb plugin.
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voxpelli
one can bundle libraries oneself and detect collisions and disable the module on collisions
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GWG
It is the plugin people usually install when getting started.
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GWG
I've paused my work on location/venue to work on it.
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GWG
The development version has some relme xode, but I want to get it stable enough to push to the WordPress repository.
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GWG
I have privileges for that.
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voxpelli
cool, yeah, it would be cool to have a one-click descent indiewebification of a wordpress site
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GWG
I'd like to have it before another WordPress user shows up at HWC or IWC
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GWG
voxpelli, basic indiewebification.
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voxpelli
main question is probably how to handle the relationships with the other modules and what to do within wordpress itself and eg. what to outsoruce
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GWG
voxpelli, I'm working on a commit for some of this.
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voxpelli
for Jekyll I eg. decided to embed webmentions through javascript rather than to push it directly into my source code – to limit the scope of things
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GWG
But we have a lot of work that community members have done.
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gRegorLove
GWG: representative h-card is a nice-to-have, not a must-have. Whereas the rel-me is a must-have to get IndieAuth working.
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GWG
gRegorLove, we have relme thanks to petermolnar, but it is not fully baked yet.
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voxpelli
IndieAuth on the other hand isn't critical to get working unless one eg. wants to edit the wiki ;) WebMention + h-entries are the most crucial parts
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gRegorLove
The per-post hcard that comes with most WP themes is a minimally viable hcard. So that distinction of the nice-to-have vs must-have is what makes me think h-card should be separate plugin
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gRegorLove
voxpelli: True, but we've had people specifically have issues setting up IndieAuth on WP, thus the suggestion that the core IndieWeb plugin include it. It currently is just a wrapper for installing other plugins.
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GWG
gRegorLove, give me a few days and I will have some demonstration code that might better explain.
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gRegorLove
But I don't think we've had issues of people setting up representative h-cards, or author name not showing up on posts
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voxpelli
gRegorLove: yeah, it's a nice to have, somewhat weird that eg. Indiewebify.me pushes IndieAuth as the most critical step towards IndieWebifying oneself :P
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GWG
I don't really care about Indieauth.
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GWG
It gets me wiki access.
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gRegorLove
It opens up some cool options, like micropub
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gRegorLove
well, first step towards
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GWG
And authentication for micropub.
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GWG
But I care about people coming to my site and knowing who I am more.
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voxpelli
My priority is: 1. receive webmentions 2. make it possible to subscribe to ones h-feed 3. send webmentions
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gRegorLove
Or signing up for /Telegraph so you don't have to set up all the webmention innards yourself
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GWG
And who I am to some people is a matter of relme
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GWG
Those who care about silos.
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voxpelli
gRegorLove: rel-me based indieauth isn't necessary for Micropub – an IndieAuth endpoint is, but it can use regular wordpress-login :)
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GWG
This is why we took some things out of the Indieweb plugin
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voxpelli
so needs to try out Telegraph so he can get to his own step 3 before being side-tracked too badly by Micropub :)
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GWG
No one has built wordpress login to indieauth yet.
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GWG
So, we go back to identity.
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voxpelli
It would "just" be a matter of implementing: https://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-for-login :) And would make one more independent than to rely on IndieAuth.com ;)
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GWG
Establishing your identity online is a good Indieweb goal.
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gRegorLove
How is that useful when we're discussing people who are having trouble setting up rel-me links on their site? ;)
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voxpelli
And for something like WordPress that already has user accounts it kind of could make sense – unlike other systems (like my jekyll site) that has no authentication mechanism of its own at all :P
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voxpelli
gRegorLove: well, one can either answer someones question or try to solve their problem ;)
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GWG
I think I will try writing some code and see where it takes me.
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GWG
I'll be back later.
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voxpelli
if WP supports IndieAurth for Login the one could even log in to the wiki without ever having to set up a rel-me :)
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gRegorLove
Not it. :)
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gRegorLove
backs away
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singpolyma
voxpelli: just use the indieauth to openid proxy service and the wordpress openid plugin
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aaronpk
an actual indieauth plugin for wordpress would be great
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aaronpk
using the wordpress user database
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aaronpk
has nobody done that yet?
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voxpelli
aaronpk: doesn't appear like anyone has
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voxpelli
the reverse has been done: Logging into WordPress through indieauth
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aaronpk
ah yeah
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kylewm
can anyone recommend a good way to write javascript unit tests? ideally i'd like to test in both node.js and the browser ...
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voxpelli
I write all of mine in Mocha
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voxpelli
But only node.js ones so far
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@katyemoe
Webmention - a better successor to pingback for notifications about linked content. W3C spec here https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ @FrontEndLondon
(twitter.com/_/status/692792915450527744)
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GWG
aaronpk, I would love that plugin, not writing it right now.
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kylewm
one more q: I want to have a python and a js version of the same library that runs against the same test cases (defined in a shared JSON file). should those implementations be in one git repository or more?
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kylewm
I want them to be in one repository, but not sure if that will confuse npm
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voxpelli
kylewm: you can always set an .npmignore so that the python files are never published to npm
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kylewm
I'm leaning toward splitting them up and just living with having 2 copies of the test cases
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voxpelli
kylewm: you can always make them use the same JSON somehow – maybe in a similar way as some of the mf2 parsers are
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aaronpk
you could put the test cases into a separate rpo
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KevinMarks
and include the repo
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kylewm
hmm, ok maybe that
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KevinMarks
thats what I did with my mf2py fork when I was iterating on the tests and the parser in parallel https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py
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KevinMarks
the tests dir is another repo
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voxpelli
and you could include it in one of three ways I think: Curl it from a known URL, do a Git Subtree, or do a Git Submodule
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kylewm
KevinMarks: the ofifical one too https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py
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KevinMarks
ah right, I wasn't sure I had sent that upstream
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voxpelli
I've had some bad experiences with git submodule so I would myself avoid it and chose one of the other two options
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KevinMarks
oh, it seemed to work OK for me - what went wrong?
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aaronpk
it's been a while, I don't quite remember
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voxpelli
mostly when you're merging different branches or start to move things around I ran into issues, but was a while ago for me as well
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voxpelli
if the history of the module one includes is rather small then a subtree won't hurt that much
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voxpelli
eg. including the linux kernel as a subtree rather than as a submodule on the other hand would be a pretty bad idea :P
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jonnybarnes
gah I don’t understand why utf-8 won’t work in ssh/screen, anyone else come across this when using the irc? https://serverfault.com/questions/752488/getting-utf-8-support-in-screen-via-ssh
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[shaners]
I’ve also had annoyances / troubles with git submodules and tend to avoid them now.
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jonnybarnes
I use git submodules for testing my webmentions parser
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ben_thatmustbeme
put in official request for IWC MIT
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ben_thatmustbeme
either way i'll be there, its just if I have to use PTO
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voxpelli
I use a npm module to test my webmentions parser :P
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jonnybarnes
what is ActivityPub?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ActivityPub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CW
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jonnybarnes
voxpelli: my parser is written in PHP, so I pull in data from https://github.com/sandeepshetty/authorship-test-cases and test against that
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jonnybarnes
with phpunit, though that’s tsting the authorship part of my parser
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voxpelli
cool, I should maybe add those as wells
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kevinmarks.com
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bear
kylewm - to add some +1's to the "test data in it's own repo" concept above -- I do that often and that lets me then run both libs as test for when the test data changes :)
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tantek
catches up on logs
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tantek
GWG, re: scope, no problem just use IndieMark levels to set scope
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tantek
rel=me + h-card (including icon if you can) makes sense as a good start, since that's all core functionality for numerous use-cases.
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tantek
snarfed: you said "indiemark seems very low priority to me compared to actual functionality" <-- that makes no sense, all the indiemark measures ARE actual functionality!!!
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tantek
how / what gave you the sense that they were separate?
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snarfed
tantek: keep reading, you'll see i misunderstood what GWG was saying
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tantek
snarfed - ok I caught up on logs - still confused as to what made you think IndieMark was different from actual functionality
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tantek
this makes no sense to me because the whole point of IndieMark was to bundle together clusters of *actual functionality* that was similar in level / core-ness
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tantek
s/IndieMark/IndieMark levels
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snarfed
i thought he was proposing something like calculating indiemark score, badging, etc
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: this makes no sense to me because the whole point of IndieMark levels was to bundle together clusters of *actual functionality* that was similar in level / core-ness
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tantek
yes, score & badging are not important. but using an IndieMark level or axes to define a scope for features makes more sense that trying to figure out a scope on your own from scratch.
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tantek
or rather, *displaying* score is not important
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tantek
anyway, to be clear, any time you see IndieMark diverging from "actual functionality" - please point it out - as that's something we should be wary of and fix
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@mothersele
Your content is yours #indieweb at #FEL [photo]
(twitter.com/_/status/692789892527558656)
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tantek
Calum Ryan - Taking part in the IndieWeb
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tantek
IndieWeb (not to be confused with the platform ind.ie) is a small movement of people from all backgrounds and abilities looking to/already publishing to their own website; so that they truly own their own data. The talk will introduce principles of IndieWeb and how you can take part through IndieWebCamps and Homebrew Website Clubs.
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tantek
boom!
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tantek
who was looking for the WordPress plugin to auto-archive links? this looks like it does that (brand new) http://amberlink.org/
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tantek
GWG have you seen ^^^ ?
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aaronpk
oh neat, I wonder if I can use that myself outside of wordpress
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tantek
would be great as a service too - send a webmention, get all your links crawled and archived
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jonnybarnes
that looks very complicated to set up, cloning three git repositories!
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tantek
yeah, you lost me at cloning
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jonnybarnes
in particular it looks like it’d be a mess to maintain
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tantek
and that means run away screaming. or quietly. your choice.
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+2061) "move past events to recent, add next HWC, add Front-end London event/talk on IndieWeb, also, mediawiki tag filters are stuck in 1996"
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tantek
aaronpk: added! ^^^
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aaronpk
woo thx
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jonnybarnes
screaming sounds more fun
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KartikPrabhu
"don't make perfect the enemy of the good" ?
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kylewm
its only like 10% smaller than just listing every tld out :P
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KartikPrabhu
what the what!
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aaronpk
but also it's immediately out of date
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kylewm
well that's why i have a script to update it!
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aaronpk
why not just match [a-z]+?
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kylewm
lots of false positives that way
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KartikPrabhu
yeah like home.xckjdsfskjnav
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aaronpk
who types that
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kylewm
I remember specifically getting one for mm.dd.yyyy
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tantek
falsepositives--
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Loqi
falsepositives has -1 karma
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: what about home.cmoputer
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kylewm
and there were several issues reported to bridgy that it either failed to post to twitter becuase it didn't shorten enough, or it cut off way too much of the post
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: what about homecmoputer.com
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: no my point was one could mistype a TLD and then autolink it and never notice
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aaronpk
but you could also mistype a 2LD
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KartikPrabhu
also true
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KartikPrabhu
so i guess there is no "fool proof" auto linking method
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 128 karma
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snarfed
diminishing returns
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KartikPrabhu
one way could be to do a HEAD request and see if it is a success
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tantek
I'm ok with keeping it a subset in CASSIS auto_link until people complain about specific domains (of theirs) and optionally file a pull request
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kylewm
surprised to hear this, I've found checking against the list of known TLDs to be very worthwhile
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tantek
no desire to add any TLDs that no one is actually using in practice
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tantek.com
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kylewm
maybe the disconnect is between "I want to decide what my site auto-links" and "I have to know what twitter will t.co to create a shortened version that wll post successfully"
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bear
i'm not a fan of auto-linking, but that is a bias that comes from running a commercial ad-driven site where a single bad link that goes to a domain-squatted link farm can serve up exploit images
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KevinMarks
modifying a regex like that is hard
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bear
so I'm definitely not normal
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aaronpk
kylewm: do you know how twitter decides to autolink something?
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tantek
kylewm: yeah that's a good reason to track twitter behavior
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aaronpk
do they actually document that? that would be nice of them
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tantek
or at least provide BOTH options
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tantek
for preview / tweet-char-count predictions
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kylewm
yeah the twitter algorithm is open source
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tantek
because Twitter also does weird things too
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tantek
e.g. does not link plain 2LDs to ccTLDs
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tantek
like ttk.me
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tantek
which I use to create unlinked permashortcitations
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tantek
but then I hyperlink those on my own site
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tantek.com
created /events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club (+4632) "stub based on 01-27"
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tantek
is feeling impatient today
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KevinMarks
hm, no python
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KartikPrabhu
yeah noticed
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aaronparecki.com
edited /site-deaths (+391) "Parse is shutting down"
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snarfed
oh wow really? sad
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kylewm
brevity-js is getting dangerously into CASSS's wheelhouse... wondering how to square that
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kylewm
CASSIS*
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snarfed
"diversity"
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KartikPrabhu
it is good to have multiple implementations
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tantek
what is brevity-js?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "brevity-js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CX
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kylewm
I'm doing a real lewis carroly thing porting cassis to python, changing it a bunch, and then porting my port to js
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tantek
mentions the aforementioned Github frontend tool
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KevinMarks
i'm wondering if I should switch noterlive to twitter-text-js as that may be easier than understanding cassis's regex enough to send a PR
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kylewm
no way twitter-text-js is easier to understand than cassis!
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kylewm
it's like an order of magnitude bigger
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aaronpk
oh speaking of cassis, would appreciate if you reviewed this tantek! https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25
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tantek
is in heads-down mode for trip to Sydney, other than bite-sized things
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tantek
HWC SF 2016-02-10 venue confirmed
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kylewm
KevinMarks: I misunderstood you, sorry. see your point now
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aaronpk
what I did was: 1) moved code around so that PHP and JS can share test data (e.g. https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25/files#diff-0983723a4618af8afb94eeb2a96d02ffR1)
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tantek
oh dear
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tantek
yeah that's going to take some review ;/
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aaronpk
2) in PHP mode, use the bcmath functions if available so that newbase60 works with large numbers https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25/files#diff-c83cd412ebcf174a85a1f817bec1b17eR479
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tantek
but does that work in JS too?
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aaronpk
no, but it's no less broken than it is now in JS
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tantek
but it's divergent between JS/PHP
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aaronpk
right now num_to_sxg and sxg_to_num don't work with twitter IDs
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aaronpk
they are divergent right now since the behavior of them is essentially undefined right now
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tantek
I know - that's worth an issue (if you haven't already filed it)
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tantek
but I really don't want to make it more capable in one vs the other
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aaronpk
yeah it's been there since 2014 ;) https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/17
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tantek
broken = broken no matter how
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aaronpk
I don't know how to make it work in JS without adding a library dependency
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tantek
HWC SF venue confirmed for 2016-02-24 and 2016-03-09
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tantek
aaronpk: I'm tempted to write the math myself
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aaronpk
I miiiight be able to pull out just the functions I need from here https://github.com/rauschma/strint/blob/master/strint.js
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tantek
looks into the future and sees he will not be in SF on 2016-03-23 :/
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kylewm
pretty likely I won't be either :/
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@githubstatus
GitHub Pages builds are currently paused for unscheduled maintenance. GitHub Pages sites remain available.
(twitter.com/_/status/692839068506333185)
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kylewm
actually, no I should be OK
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tantek
what are GitHub Pages?
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Loqi
GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/github-pages
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tantek
heh - ^^^ add to that frag bear?
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bear
let me pull it up...
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KevinMarks
what on earth is a frag bear?
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bear
a bear that has been at the pub too long
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tantek
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 100 karma
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bear.im
edited /GitHub (-36) "rework dfn to focus on what gh-pages is now"
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tantek
GitHub pages may deserve their own, ahem, page
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bear
oh snap - didn't realize i was working on a redirect
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tantek
hence the frag comment
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bear
yea, i'll roll it back
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tantek
I say roll with it
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tantek
I will be in Cambridge 2016-03-23 - anyone there interested in a HWC MIT pop-up that night? rhiaro sandro ?
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tantek
kylewm: you got venue+organizing for HWC SF 2016-03-23?
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tantek
looks into the future 2016-04-... and see that it is ... in motion and unclear
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bear.im
edited /github-pages (+7734) "make github-pages it's own page"
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@isocroft
RT @katyemoe Webmention - a better successor to pingback for notifications about linked content. W3C spec here https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ @FrontEndLondon
(twitter.com/_/status/692842230776668164)
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tantek
whoa, that definitely deserved its own page
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bear
yea, github is going to be very empty
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tantek
wonders if it is worth trying to do an IWC SF in 2016-02
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tantek
to complete the first six months of 2016
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bear.im
edited /GitHub () "(-6340) remove github-pages content"
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bear.im
edited /github-pages () "(-1076) point criticism section to github for DRY reasons"
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@isocroft
@katyemoe But, do we need to standardize all the time ? @w3c webmention is just the same as XML-RPC pingback isn't it ?
(twitter.com/_/status/692844403178639361)
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tantek
classic Twitter RTFM fail
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kylewm
tantek: I'm fairly sure I'll be here 3/23, and yes I will do that
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tantek
kylewm++ thank you!!!
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Loqi
kylewm has 288 karma
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gRegorLove
tantek: Should I keep LA in the next two months of HWC pages, or comment them out? Not familiar if it's a regular meeting or just starting
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tantek
I think angelo was pretty dedicated, so leave it
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tantek
and plus his track record for 2016 is 100% so far :D
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gRegorLove
considers making a template for the RSVP city sections and each of their multiple links (FB, Calgator, indie event, etc.)
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tantek
templates are only more helpful when you *want* the content to be more static than accurate
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tantek
the per city stuff is still so dynamic (and we want it to keep improving)
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gRegorLove
I was thinking of, if you drop a FB link in, it adds "or RSVP on FB" and so on.
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gRegorLove
Not tied to any services, just [link] and [service name]
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gRegorLove
For now I'm just copy/pasta-ing though :)
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gregorlove.com
created /events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club (+4624) "stub based on latest 2016-02-10 HWC"
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gregorlove.com
created /events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (+4624) "stub based on latest 2016-02-10"
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: i've been changing the text of PDX slightly since calagator doesn't do RSVPs, and I usually want the FB vs indie event text to be different
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gRegorLove
Good point
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
Starting with that one^ I used "RSVP by adding yourself below." for each with the additional options in an HTML comment, so they can be added back as links are set up.
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gregorlove.com
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AngeloGladding
for what its worth I was there last night
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AngeloGladding
intend to formalize more once my site's up and running ;)
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tantek
AngeloGladding: nice! do you have a sign or some other way for people to find you at the venue?
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AngeloGladding
I'll bring a sign next time. I made sure to tell the barista to send anyone my way.
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tantek
nice - good call. perhaps note that in the event "Where" for LA - to ask the barista to direct them to the meetup
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AngeloGladding
maybe I'll drive out to the west side to meet up with shaners (?) next time
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tantek
yeah! feel free to move the venue around, coordinate with fellow community members - whatever helps you get the meetup off the ground
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GWG
I have returned
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KartikPrabhu
it is good to update change of venue in advance in case people randomly decide to show up
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AngeloGladding
how do you tell loqi to message someone upon their return?
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KartikPrabhu
!tell AngeloGladding: like this
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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AngeloGladding
thanks
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gRegorLove
I think I'll try to get a Bellingham HWC going in the near future. Thought about contacting the ACM club at WWU
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KartikPrabhu
AngeloGladding: note Loqi only delivers messages if the person posts and only a certain amount of time after the !tell was initiated
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AngeloGladding
what do you mean by the person posting?
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KartikPrabhu
as in if the person logs into the channel but does not say anything, the message is not delivered
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AngeloGladding
ah
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KartikPrabhu
it is to prevent people from missing messages due to their IRC client auto-logging them in
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AngeloGladding
got it. make sense
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KartikPrabhu
is getting pretty fed-up with Feedly.
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gRegorLove
Sounds like FEEDly is working then. ;)
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KartikPrabhu
more like Fed-ly
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GWG
tantek: In response to earlier...why is Indieauth the first step?
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: does woodwind allow bookmark posting with tags ?
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KartikPrabhu
what is woodwind
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Loqi
Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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gRegorLove
Also, is your instance of Woodwind sticking around despite moving to Known?
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tantek
GWG - context?
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tantek
kylewm: any chance you'll port the /reply-context support in Red Wind to Known?
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GWG
tantek: In the earlier Indiemark discussion, as well as what we encourage people to do when they arrive in the chat...what is the reasoning for it being the first recommendation?
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GWG
Specifically, what puts rel-me and Indieauth at that point?
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tantek
being the first recommendation where?
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tantek
at that point where?