#indiewebcamp 2016-02-03

2016-02-03 UTC
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+905) "/* New IWC Logo Proposal */" (view diff)
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@veganstraightedge #IndieWebCamp Logo Study (and proposed new logo) http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/02/indiewebcamp-logo-study (twitter.com/_/status/694674981179949056)
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[shaners] I’d like to propose a new IndieWebCamp logo. ^^^
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[shaners] See it and read all about it on my blog and the /logo wiki page.
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[shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/logo
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[shaners] http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/02/indiewebcamp-logo-study
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prtksxna Looks really neat. The W going below the baseline bothers me a little though
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tantek I'd be curious to hear what andigalpern (she proposed a new logo just before IWC SF 2015), and Crystal think
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tantek @andigalpern and @crystaldbeasley respectively
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GWG Evening. I am now home for the night
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GWG prtksxna: Your Indieweb feelings needed rekindling?
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prtksxna GWG: They sort of did. I did a bunch of work on my theme last year but then work and a few other things took over. Life etc
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GWG prtksxna: What are your itches, as some here would say?
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prtksxna GWG: Better themes for WP that have indie plugins
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GWG That have support for Indie plugins, you mean?
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[shaners] tantek: Pinged them on twitter. Anyone else who’s radar we should put it on?
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prtksxna I meant WP installations that have Indie plugins
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GWG I tried some theming. But I've mostly been working on the structural side.
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prtksxna nods
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GWG I was working on location improvements and venues, but I switched to working on things for the Indieweb plugin to have rel-me and some basic h-card functionality.
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prtksxna GWG: Which plugin is this?
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GWG http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb
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GWG Trying to make it easier for newcomers
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snarfed [shaners]++ love the new logo(s)!
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snarfed (still think it might be even better without the block in the C, but no matter. great regardless!)
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gRegorLove Agreed, great work on the logo [shaners].
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[shaners] Thanks!
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[shaners] snarfed: The notched out circle with no block becomes very imbalanced. And the weight of the whole things shifts.
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prtksxna Isn't that a collection of plugins? Any plugin in specific that you are working on?
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gRegorLove Yeah, the block in the C makes my eye see the white line as a smaller "C" first before the entire circle as a "C", but that's minor and I don't have a good alternative suggestion.
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GWG prtksxna: It isn't a collection per se. It is a plugin installer. But functionality is being added to it. It is in the dev version. Still being improved before moving to live.
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tantek Thanks shaners - appreciate it.
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prtksxna GWG: I see
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GWG prtksxna: Not ready for primetime yet.
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prtksxna GWG: I'll check out the dev branch then :)
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GWG prtksxna: The original idea for the Indieweb plugin was Like JetPack for Indieweb.
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prtksxna Right, that is what I remember it to be
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GWG prtksxna: Working on making it more compelling.
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prtksxna GWG: That's really cool. Just to be sure I understand this correctly, that plugin is going to have functionality built in instead of just being an installer?
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GWG prtksxna: It is going to have rel-me and h-card. The rest will be the installer
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prtksxna I see.
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi is done
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GWG prtksxna: It is based on feedback that people had trouble getting started.
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prtksxna Right. The rel=me will get them started on the wiki too!
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GWG Exactly
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bear [shaners] -- loving the work you did with the logo - +1 and colour blind approved! ;)
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[shaners] Thanks bear. What does the color one look like to you?
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@t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694695040279400448)
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bear how do you mean - I see that it's three different colours - lighter one on the left (the I)
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bear the W and C are close to being the same colour to my eyes but there is enough of a difference that I notice it
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@edsu RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694696879720943616)
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@kevinmarks RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694697933262819328)
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[shaners] Bear. Oops! That's a mistake. I swapped the colors so that the C is the lighter. Linked the wrong image.
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+0) "Corrected color proposed logo" (view diff)
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[shaners] Bear. Take another look.
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bear [shaners] - yep, darker is now on the left and all three are different enough for me to see
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@deezthugs RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694708125782384640)
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[shaners] :+1::skin-tone-2:
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kylewm shaners++ this is going to be my new favorite t-shirt
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Loqi shaners has 17 karma
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aaronpk is making an interface for posting travel itinerary! https://www.dropbox.com/s/8y64n05fq8ehcww/Screenshot%202016-02-02%2018.48.55.png?dl=0
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@indiewebcamp RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694718013652627456)
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kylewm aaronpk: do you have or recommend anything for editing start/end datetimes of an event? https://jonthornton.github.io/Datepair.js/ looked decent to me
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aaronpk that looks nice
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kylewm (asking beause the "Published Date" widget at the bottom of your UI looks pretty close to what I want)
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aaronpk right now i'm just using <input type="date"> and then a regular input for the time
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GWG kylewm: I'm using date and time, but where they don't work, I have a quick and dirty shim.
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aaronpk oh this library is good. it does things i want like setting the end date based on the date you choose of the first
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aaronpk they forgot about timezone support tho
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kylewm geez, <input type=date> has the reddest compatibility table I've ever seen :P
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aaronpk heh
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GWG aaronpk: I spent a week fiddling with that for Post Kinds.
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GWG Of course, I got it working, but it still doesn't do much but store it
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kylewm yeah timezones :(
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GWG I had to build timezones out of a select box myself.
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GWG Although someone should write a Timezone picker
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kylewm GWG: is "date and time" a thing? or do you just mean the input types?
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aaronpk funny thing about posting trip itinerary, timezones are super important!
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GWG I meant the input types, but they aren't well supported
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GWG Just did a quick Google search
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GWG http://timezonepicker.com/
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aaronpk here's what i have now https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7dp1okchhyp8zu/Screenshot%202016-02-02%2019.11.50.png?dl=0
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GWG https://github.com/dosx/timezone-picker
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[shaners] Kylewm thanks. If it gets approved and adopted, I'll run a tee spring campaign so people can order if they want one.
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@cwebba1 RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694754815604342784)
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[kevinmarks] I wonder why the google calendar one isn't usable
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@jgmac1106 Announcing @withKnown 0.9, named for Delia Derbyshire http://stream.withknown.com/2016/announcing-known-09-named-for-delia-derbyshire congrats to the team. Time to get updating. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/694787885921337344)
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@kevinmarks RT @jgmac1106 Announcing @withKnown 0.9, named for Delia Derbyshire http://stream.withknown.com/2016/announcing-known-09-named-for-delia-derbyshire congrats to the team. Time to get updating. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/694790585694027777)
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@ChrisAldrich RT @jgmac1106 Announcing @withKnown 0.9, named for Delia Derbyshire http://stream.withknown.com/2016/announcing-known-09-named-for-delia-derbyshire congrats to the team. Time to get updating. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/694791288655220736)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 - Tantek" by diplix http://tantek.com/2016/033/t2/congrats-social-web-micropub-activitypub
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Loqi [indieweb] "@RikMende totally agreed! Check out #indieweb #webactions for exactly these #openweb protocols https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions" http://tantek.com/2016/034/t1/indieweb-webations-openweb-protocols
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@t @RikMende totally agreed! Check out #indieweb #webactions for exactly these #openweb protocols https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (ttk.me t4f_1) (twitter.com/_/status/694799817004838912)
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KartikPrabhu why are tweets now opening in a modal box!?
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tantek scripters gonna script script script
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KartikPrabhu it is weird. if i disable JS then the "close" button does nothing but it still displays in a modal
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KartikPrabhu so much wrong
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voxpelli if it's opening in a progressive enhanced way I actually think I like it, becomes a bit snappier
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: no it is not progressively enhanced. Disbaling JS means the "close" button does not work
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yeah, I figured :/
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KartikPrabhu i am very much for permalinks going to actual posts rather than some JS-shimmied thing
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miklb I'm not sure I could use native Twitter.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: feel free to document at https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Criticism
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miklb duly noted
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: I kind of like when a left-click opens it in a modal, but a right-click allows opening the URL in a new tab
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KartikPrabhu yes, but it can be done in a nicely enhanced way
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KartikPrabhu I am definitely not complaining about the modal UI
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voxpelli then we're on the same page :)
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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petermolnar good morning
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petermolnar is anyone aware of a regex that maches all urls that might be a tweet or a thing on twitter? I know twitter.com, twtr.io, what about the rest?
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petermolnar t.co
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jonnybarnes twimg.com as well
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jonnybarnes and for some reason that’s normally pbs.twimg.com
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jonnybarnes dunno what pbs is meant to stand for
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Loqi [indieweb] "@RikMende totally agreed! Check out #indieweb #webactions for exactly these #openweb protocols https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions" http://tantek.com/2016/034/t1/indieweb-webations-openweb-protocols
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petermolnar for future references this seems to match anything twitter: /(?:\b|>)(https?:\/\/(?:mobile|m)?\.?(?:twimg\.com|t\.co|twitter\.com|twtr\.io)[^\[<]+)(?:\b|<)/
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jonnybarnes is twtr.io run by twitter?
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petermolnar nope, twtr.io is an aaronpk thing, but for me, it needs to be in the list due to Loqi
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@btconf Changed title of the #indiewebcamp during #btconf to "IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" as there is another one in Nuremberg. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Dusseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/694889511202000896)
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@btconf Oh btw: Still seats free at the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf of course: https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2016/side-events#indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/694889653585997824)
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GWG Morning
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marcthiele.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+8) (view diff)
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GWG mcverryj1 I looked at your theme
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mcverryj1 thanks
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GWG Do you receive pingbacks?
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mcverryj1 yes
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GWG So, you need to change the theme to display both pingbacks and webmentions.
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GWG I could tell you what to edit, but it would be overwritten if the plugin author issues an update.
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GWG Theme author, excuse me
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mcverryj1 I would then just go and update it again
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mcverryj1 I might just have to change themes to something that supports webmentions2 but it looks like its only the one theme
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mcverryj1 but if you want to tell me where and what to edit or just email a txt file I can do it
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GWG Mcverryj1, many do by not expressly filtering comment types.
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petermolnar GWG have you ever had serious issues with add_action ordering in your setup? because I've started having issues with when to do what on post status transition
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GWG But there is one other solution. You can just replace the comment template
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GWG Mcverryj1, I'll see if I can write out the changes for you to replace
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GWG petermolnar, ues, that is what priority is for.
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GWG Got to step back to work now.
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GWG Be back
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mcverryj1 wow, if you are a drinker let me know and I will ship you a bottle of the cheapest variety I can find
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mcverryj1 kidding of course enjoy the work day
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mcverryj1 back off to the lrng summit where I am trying to push #indieweb has a required solution in rethinking education
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@anarchivist RT @t Congrats @W3C Social Web WG on Micropub & ActivityPub Working Drafts! #indieweb #openweb #API https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (ttk.me t4fZ2) (twitter.com/_/status/694897654677962752)
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GWG I don't drink.
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aaronpk whoa, tantek's PuSH is hitting the IRC logs faster than twitter is! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-03#t1454488160697
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@jkphl RT @btconf Changed title of the #indiewebcamp during #btconf to "IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" as there is another one in Nuremberg. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Dusseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/694900303087456256)
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petermolnar aaronpk how is that PuSH working?
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aaronpk pretty well
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petermolnar right :) - any technical details?
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cweiske tantek sends a webmention to the wiki
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petermolnar ah
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cweiske loqi picks that up and chats it
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk no this is actually PuSH, not webmention
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cweiske ?
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aaronpk there was no link to the wiki in that! only a mention of "indieweb"
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cweiske there was
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cweiske /webactions
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aaronpk oh you're right, I was talking abou this one http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-02/line/1454486176745
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aaronpk but yeah the ones that start out with [indieweb] instead of [mention] are using PuSH
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aaronpk it's using superfeedr to do the filtering https://superfeedr.com/tracker
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cweiske so tantek.com pushes to superfeedr, which in turn notifies loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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cweiske really?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk it would work even if superfeedr was not tantek's PuSH hub, since superfeedr also subscribes to a bunch of hubs
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cweiske but there is no twitter mention of this post in the log
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cweiske 00:29 next day
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aaronpk that tweet was earlier in the day
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aaronpk i didn't have the superfeedr thing set up at that point
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aaronpk the one from 23:56 is actually because wirres.net fav'd or reposted tantek's post, and wirres.net pinged switchboard which superfeedr is subscribed to
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aaronpk that's why it says "by diplix"
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+124) "/* RSVPs from other sites */ rsvps from eventbrite" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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@workingdraft RT @btconf Oh btw: Still seats free at the #IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf of course: https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2016/side-events#indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/694907259915206656)
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@KorinnaPin RT @calum_ryan Slides from my talk last night @FrontEndLondon https://calumryan.com/talks/fel-280116/ Thanks to all at FEL Credits to @t, @adactio + #indieweb community (twitter.com/_/status/694908670426112001)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE https://webmention.io/notification/-H1u6ce7fC-x7Wg_WonUHA
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mcverryj1 well broke my forst Known site when trying to update to 0.9: Fatal Error: /home/jgregory/public_html/quickthoughts/index.php:28 - "Call to undefined method Idno\Core\Idno::site()", on page quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/
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mcverryj1 first*
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@ivans_netto RT @zeldman Don’t be an architecture astronaut. #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/architecture_astronomy (twitter.com/_/status/694919157826060288)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/crystaldbeasley/status/694924238977798145
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@crystaldbeasley @veganstraightedge @andigalpern @t @aaronpk As the person who designed the first one, I approve! ;) (twitter.com/_/status/694924238977798145)
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aaronpk :)
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jonnybarnes they look really nice
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@andigalpern I also took a stab at redesigning the @indiewebcamp logo. https://twitter.com/andigalpern/status/694939629175332864/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/694939629175332864)
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@andigalpern Needs a little tweaking, but it's simple. Check it out! @indiewebcamp @crystaldbeasley @t @aaronpk @veganstraightedge @kevinmarks @aaronpk (twitter.com/_/status/694942338838302720)
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@andigalpern @indiewebcamp @crystaldbeasley @t @aaronpk @veganstraightedge @kevinmarks @aaronpk This was from a few months ago. (twitter.com/_/status/694943146694832128)
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snarfed hey aaronpk i'm making slow progress getting telegraph running locally (under apache) for testing target_domain manually, but i suspect i'm still a ways off. think i should skip it? or keep gong?
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aaronpk oh funny were you doing that work just by running tests?
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snarfed yup
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aaronpk i have an idea
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aaronpk you can test with mine! http://telegraph.ngrok.io/
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aaronpk that's running on my laptop with the new code
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snarfed oh wow ok
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snarfed :/ except when i try to sign in, it wants to redirect me to telegraph.dev
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snarfed mind changing your local config to use ngrok temporarily
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snarfed ?
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aaronpk oops haha
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aaronpk try now
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snarfed hmm, still showing .dev
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aaronpk weird, where's that coming from
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snarfed redirect_uri
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snarfed oh
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snarfed base? vs clientID?
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aaronpk oh it's using $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']
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aaronpk i'll fix that to use the config setting
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snarfed thx
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aaronpk k
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snarfed i tried changing the indieauth redirect_uri myself :P, which worked, but telegraph then complained and broke. understandable.
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aaronpk that's good :)
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aaronpk that is the correct behavior
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aaronpk snarfed: should work now!
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@rrrrrrrix @vilhalmer http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed in short: we dont (twitter.com/_/status/694959443985850368)
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@rrrrrrrix http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed leaving this here for people to find https://twitter.com/vilhalmer/status/694959379469086720 (twitter.com/_/status/694959551506833408)
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cweiske http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-03%20phinde2.png
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cweiske first screenshot of phinde, my search engine
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk wht'as it searching?
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cweiske my blog and all linked urls
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aaronpk neat
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cweiske facets are working, partial text highlighting as you see on the shot
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cweiske just my indexer needs some improvements
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cweiske e.g. it should not index navigation elements on the page, only content
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aaronpk you're not indexing the parsed mf2 result?
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cweiske I don't parse mf2 at all
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cweiske currently
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cweiske my indexer is 150 loc currently
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cweiske no libs :)
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cweiske and 20 lines beginning with //FIXME
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@dnsf RT @andigalpern I also took a stab at redesigning the @indiewebcamp logo. https://twitter.com/andigalpern/status/694939629175332864/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/694966370178506752)
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Loqi [mention] Ryan Barrett posted "Ryan Barrett" https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ and http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-08#t1452280300046 https://webmention.io/notification/xG_2VvmzyrrfU2iKwSdBvw
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[shaners] Loqi. Any messages for me?
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Loqi yo
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aaronpk snarfed: i'm guessing that was you testing the new API?
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snarfed woo those wms came from telegraph's new target_domain param
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snarfed aaronpk: heh yup
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aaronpk nice
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snarfed still bugs to work out though. looks like it queued too many wms
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snarfed 15 :P
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aaronpk oh what? ha
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snarfed the status responses don't have much info, eg they don't have source or target. i may add those
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aaronpk oh yeah. if you add /details to the path you'll see that info
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aaronpk probably worth adding it to the JSON response tho
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snarfed aha
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@rrrrrrrix @vilhalmer I dont know enough about h-feed to know; i would hop in to #freenode_#indiewebcamp:http://matrix.org and chat w/ others =) (twitter.com/_/status/694969080277655553)
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GWG Howdy
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aaronpk snarfed: i'm confused how those webmentions got queued up
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aaronpk looks like a bunch of mentions to relative URLs on your site
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snarfed aaronpk: right. just a bug, i expect, nothing deeper or more meaningful
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aaronpk that was using target_domain?
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snarfed yeah
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Loqi [bridgy] Zeta with Zaku Head replied '@vilhalmer I dont know enough about h-feed to know; i would hop in to #freenode_...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed (https://twitter.com/rrrrrrrix/status/694969080277655553)
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aaronpk it's not queuing that in the test though
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Loqi [bridgy] vil replied '@rrrrrrrix it seems like this would be better accomplished with the html5 data- ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed (https://twitter.com/vilhalmer/status/694968807190765568)
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Loqi [bridgy] vil replied '@rrrrrrrix ah never mind, just found microformats.org/wiki/HTML5 saying that the...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed (https://twitter.com/vilhalmer/status/694969146774130688)
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah. one bug is that the substr_compare call is bad when $domain is shorter than $target_domain
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snarfed not sure if that's causing this though
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aaronpk oh funny
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aaronpk i just added a test with a relative URL, but it was erroring before, not queuing it
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snarfed i changed a test to use target_domain=target2.example.com, and that worked even though target.example.com is shorter, so i don't know
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snarfed i can dig more later today
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aaronpk k, I might look at it too
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snarfed or feel free if you want before then
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed huh, github doesn't connect #[issue] in PR messages, only in commit messages
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snarfed boo
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Jeena So one day before my talk at foss-gbg about the IndieWebCamp I'm done with my slides! If someone is interested here they are https://jeena.net/media/2016/IndieWeb-Jeena.odp (I'm interested in typos or factual mistakes so I can fix them)
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cjk101010 Jeena: a talk about indieweb and no html5 slides?
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Jeena HTML5 is just a buzzword!
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cjk101010 hehe
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KartikPrabhu can't open ODP
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Jeena so much for open documents presentation formats ^^
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Jeena or am I doing it wrong?
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: "open" is a also a buzzword ;)
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Jeena hehe
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Jeena Hm I will try to add a PDF too
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KartikPrabhu i don't have any "document" software on Linux so
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Jeena https://jeena.net/media/2016/IndieWeb-Jeena.pdf
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KartikPrabhu except PDF and text files
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: install some?
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KartikPrabhu why? never needed it :)
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ben_thatmustbeme you do if you want to open ODP
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KartikPrabhu I know. But i almost never use ODP for anything
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ben_thatmustbeme "almost"
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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KartikPrabhu I used to but now I make presentations in HTML
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aaronpk html++
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: sure! fair enough. maybe you'd rephrase as "i *don't want to install* any document software on linux" then :P
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aaronpk wat
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ben_thatmustbeme wait what? only 1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme html++
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Loqi html has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu html++
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Loqi html has 3 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme i still would love to see a full list of karma aaronpk
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aaronpk no way haha
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ben_thatmustbeme there are a lot of random things like ...
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ben_thatmustbeme green++
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KartikPrabhu and for the annoying conferences which don't allow HTML I print it out as PDF using print-stylesheets so all is well
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aaronpk snarfed: I think I fixed it
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snarfed aaronpk: nice, thanks!
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Jeena I would need to learn how to do a HTML presentation first, so I just did it in LibreOffice
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ben_thatmustbeme on another note, IWC MIT 2016 is up to 13 attendees listed
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: Google+ Photos did not "go away" technically. All user data was transferred to Google photos
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ben_thatmustbeme one person on eventbrite RSVP'd with +2
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: Pg 7 Commity should be either "community" or "committee"
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ben_thatmustbeme he actuired an RSVP of +2 Attending... hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, typos
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Jeena KartikPrabhu, I just copy^pasted it from the wiki
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Jeena I'm getting shit about the typos in a different irc channel too, I'm fixing them now
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: Pg 8 : "Builders only" is not a good characterisation of Indiewebcamp IMO
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: not giving shit, just pointing out :)
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Jeena very good!
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aaronpk snarfed: and now it found the link to news.indiewebcamp.com
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snarfed nice!
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snarfed i think it did before, but still
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snarfed i see one small remaining bug, fxing now
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aaronpk oh youre right
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: Pg 23: "Hundreds"
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: over all it is a pretty nice overview
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Jeena the builders only I got from http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: see 2012 " creators only" on the same page
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KartikPrabhu but i think lately we have moved on from even that to anyone who would like to have their own site. for example people using Known
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KartikPrabhu who might not contribute code but actively use KNown as their site
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snarfed gradually moving down the http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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aaronpk snarfed: should I launch this?
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snarfed up to you! no hurry on my part but it seems pretty safe, as a new opt in feature
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aaronpk yeah, I think worst case is the new feature does something weird, but shouldn't hurt anything about the current functionality
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snarfed hopefully yeah
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snarfed continuousdeployment++
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aaronpk alright there it goes!
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snarfed yay thanks!
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snarfed can't wait to try setting up https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service later
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aaronpk that should be interesting!
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snarfed totally! zero code too, just superfeedr => zapier => telegraph
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aaronpk oh you think youcan do it with zapier?
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snarfed zero code is my favorite amount of :P
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snarfed i think so, yes
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aaronpk as a one-off thing though right?
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aaronpk cause you need to hard-code your domain in it/
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snarfed right
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aaronpk not bad tho!
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[shaners] No code is better than No Code.
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aaronpk so basically zapier takes the incoming payload from superfeedr and then sends a post to telegraph?
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snarfed yeah. zapier can parse json and lets you map arbitrary fields into an arbitrary outgoing HTTP request
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snarfed haven't yet found a corollary in IFTTT
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aaronpk wow zapier is expensive tho!
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snarfed they have a free tier
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aaronpk max 100 tasks / month tho
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Jeena I changed Builders to Creators
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snarfed ah
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aaronpk oh ifttt has the "maker" channel now whcih might do that https://ifttt.com/maker
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snarfed ah true!
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@jkphl @diplix hey, schade! (hatte deinen antwortversuch nicht mitbekommen) hätte dann noch http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Duesseldorf zur @btconf im angebot!? ^^ (twitter.com/_/status/694981532247810048)
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aaronpk which reminds me, I need to set up my withings scale to make micropub requests with ifttt!
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snarfed rubegoldberg++
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Jeena I have one hour for my talk, 26 slides sind kind of a lot and I also have links to examples everywhere
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: you can briefly describe the things but then point people to URLs to find out more. If you put your slides online and give them the URL in the end then they can find the links on their own time too
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[shaners] That’s 2+ minutes per slide. You’re golden.
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Jeena Yeah, that is a good idea, I'm thinking about giving out handouts which they can take home with them with the url to the slides
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KartikPrabhu good idea
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aaronpk oh darn, ifttt can't do any transforms on the JSON
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aaronpk and expects a JSON payload with a key of Value1 that you can pass to the output
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Jeena use yahoo pipes!
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[shaners] I usually do about 1 slide every 10 seconds, Jeena.
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Jeena That would be too much work to do the slides for me :p
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aaronpk snarfed: okay well I just set up a superfeedr tracker for this, and wrote a few lines of php to transform it since it was easier
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aaronpk https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/07519e51bcf033d55981
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aaronpk if this works well then I guess I'm paying superfeedr $2/mo for it :)
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cweiske I wonder why people use curl instead of file_get_contents
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aaronpk so i can send a post request
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cweiske file_get_contents can do that, too
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cweiske with a stream context
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aaronpk that sounds more complicated
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@veganstraightedge @andigalpern @indiewebcamp Is this posted anywhere on your blog that I could link to? (twitter.com/_/status/694987353731903488)
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cweiske http://www.bogo/tagebuch/webhook-payload-formats.htm#send
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aaronpk also it requires the server has enabled fopen wrappers which is not guaranteed
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aaronpk www.bogo?
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cweiske oh sorry
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webhook-payload-formats.htm#send
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cweiske was my local search engine results
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aaronpk huh, never seen that before
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aaronpk can you get the HTTP response code or headers from the result of file_get_contents?
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cweiske that's dirty indeed, but yes
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cweiske the function returns false if its an error code
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cweiske if you want also html of failed requests, you have to pass a context option
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cweiske ignore_errors
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cweiske and the headers:
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cweiske $http_response_header is created in the local scope
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cweiske but it's only an array of strings
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cweiske which means you have to parse it on your own, which sucks
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cweiske and it gets really funny if you follow redirects, because the headers of *all* responeses are in there
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aaronpk wait it creates a variable in the local scope? ew
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cweiske yes
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aaronpk that kind of stuff is what gives php a bad name :P
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tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamps (-102) "Germany in parens, move TOC down a bit, page is about upcoming and past" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+14) "/* More IndieWebCamps */ update Düsseldorf per marcthiele" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /site-deaths (+540) "Fetchnotes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "and back" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+130) "back" (view diff)
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aaronpk eagerly awaits a superfeedr notification about someone linking to his site
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Loqi [mention] Leif Warner wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub https://webmention.io/notification/bpx5jhnSltPkjvqlEcSq2A
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@andigalpern @veganstraightedge @indiewebcamp No but it should be. :-) (twitter.com/_/status/695001743063670784)
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gRegorLove That $http_response_header apparently also has a limit of 1024 characters and will ignore any headers exceeding that. cURL doesn't have that limit.
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gRegorLove Surprised they haven't deprecated that, at least. Docs list it as even in PHP7 though
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kylewm oh huh, I just noticed that shaners's logo reversed the order of the colors
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to think of other ways to promote IWC MIT to boston locals
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[shaners] kylewm: Yep. The yellow + thin glyphs in “#indie” weren’t doing so great.
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kylewm.com edited /logo (+562) "note Andi's proposal and add a discussion section" (view diff)
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@ADNFuture RT @LukasRosenstock I've extended #phpADNSite into a tool for #PESOS from @AppDotNet onto your own #IndieWeb site, check out my post: https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67368938 (twitter.com/_/status/695007286134083584)
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[kevinmarks] the thing that bothered me about the old logo was the words and shapes not balancing well
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[kevinmarks] when I made my HWC variant (which was not popular) I aligned the words with the letters http://svgur.com/s/1k
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[kevinmarks] hm, looks like my PNG maker needs fixing
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[shaners] kevinmarks: Can I suggest, using a white background instead of the light blue so that when things are screenshotted (from phones, eg) they don’t have blue in there.
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[kevinmarks] makes sense - I did the blue initially so you could see where the alpha was, but the little previews give that
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[shaners] :+1::skin-tone-2:
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[kevinmarks] the direct links don't do that
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[kevinmarks] also I had some white+alpha ones that were invisible on white
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[shaners] Hmm. That’s tricky.
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[shaners] Maybe a black or grey background AND a white background for each one?
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[shaners] What’s the wiki page with all of the usage guidelines for “indie web” / “IndieWeb” / “indieweb”?
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[kevinmarks] thats what the thumbnails do - I could make them bigger I suppose
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gRegorLove What is style guide?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/style-guide
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[kevinmarks] fixed
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gRegorLove [shaners] ^
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[shaners] Thanks gregorlove
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gRegorLove I still prefer one word, and usually lowercase "indieweb"
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bear IndieWeb or indieweb -- depends on how formal it is IMO
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gRegorLove "IndieWeb" is pretty common on the wiki, including in section headings like "IndieWeb Examples"
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[shaners] I also tend to one-word it and hashtag it.
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[shaners] Just trying to be consistent in this article I’m writing about logs.
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gRegorLove Proper-nouning "The IndieWeb" comes off weird to me. Not sure I can articulate why.
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bear the one word part I think is a non-issue -- don't ever see it as two words
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gRegorLove Guess we should update /style-guide accordingly :)
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gRegorLove It hasn't been since 2014-11-19.
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[shaners] I *personally* just hate CamelCase. It’s a scourge that nerds have infected the world with.
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bear that's a good point (pushback) then
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bear if IndieWeb is too tech focused and we would be better served by Indie Web
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[shaners] Agreed
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gRegorLove Interesting
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gRegorLove "Indie Web Camp" as well, then?
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bear that does imply I W C
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bear but now your getting into parts of things I tend to hide from ;)
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[kevinmarks] ok, thumbnails bigger now
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[kevinmarks] camelcase is for wiki words
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[kevinmarks] also for hashtags sometimes too
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gregorlove.com edited /style-guide (+98) "dfn" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] http://svgur.com/s/1Y is a white icon
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gRegorLove Haha "#SquadGoals" on the header photo https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club
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KevinMarks that was from Liberty's pic
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/libertymadison/status/692776428509667328
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@libertymadison #Squad Meet the team who runs the Internet @kevinmarks @t @kylewmahan @scottros @benwerd @rrrrrrrix #startuplife [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/692776428509667328)
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gRegorLove Man I hate this new modal view on Twitter
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gRegorLove "They hated Twitter Moments. What else can we give them that they don't want?" "I've got it!"
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[shaners] Me too. Modals are (almost always) a failure of design, IMO.
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[shaners] Like the hamburger menu.
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KevinMarks gah, the new modal doesn't expand 'view other replies' inline
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snarfed1 [shaners]: my favorite twitter shade tweet: https://twitter.com/actioncookbook/status/684513321920413696
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@actioncookbook USERS: we love twitter but it has problems TWITTER: great we'll fix them USERS: do you want to know what they are TWITTER: absolutely not (twitter.com/_/status/684513321920413696)
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KevinMarks that and the 2 after it, yes
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snarfed yeah the whole thread is gold
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KevinMarks wow, the show more's on this tweet go on forever https://twitter.com/npueu/status/667358228095700992
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@npueu Today I met a group of older people who have just started inhabiting the complex worlds created by smart phones. Observations follow. (twitter.com/_/status/667358228095700992)
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[shaners] Nice