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# 00:14 kylewm bear: I had an interesting issue with requests and certifi recently - newer versions of certifi don't include cross-signed certificates (bc mozilla and chrome removed them), but OpenSSL 1.0.1 doesn't support the newer certs yet
# 00:15 kylewm so if you have Ubuntu 14.04, you have to use the certifi package from last April for it to work
# 00:15 kylewm (not related to your issue with SNI I don't think)
# 00:17 Jeena tantek had one and I added myself also to the wiki to a wall of avatars of people who attended a IWC last year, but I can't find it anymore
# 00:42 snarfed ie why does the reply context have your site's header text instead of the note text?
# 00:42 gRegorLove kylewm's note shows, but mine shows my favicon and meta, not any of the mf2
# 00:45 snarfed apart from this, embedly has actually been really good in general. i'm very happy with it
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# 01:11 [shaners] Is there a copy of the IWC logo that’s larger than 500px?
# 01:16 KartikPrabhu time to start experimenting with Service Workers which landed in FF44
# 01:21 tantek snarfed: do you have experience with serviceworkers on your site?
# 01:21 tantek KartikPrabhu: or for any indiewebsite to use for offline support of reading that site
# 01:21 KartikPrabhu that is one of my major gripes with Feedly app on phone. it doesn't load if no connection
# 01:22 KartikPrabhu I'll be playing around with service workers in the near future. will document process
# 01:26 snarfed KartikPrabhu: just fyi, the newsblur app has great offline support
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# 01:35 tantek What are ways we (the indieweb) can do better on all these points/arguments?
# 01:38 tantek I signed in and the first thing it is asking me to do is "create database", and I'm all "It's a trap!"
# 01:38 aaronpk it's definitely the least user-friendly out of the p3k apps
# 01:40 KevinMarks Login error: authorization failed. Unknown Error: Unknown Error
# 01:40 tantek tbrb++ for organizing the first HWC Edi of the year!
# 01:48 kylewm KevinMarks: I would guess hosted hasn't gotten a commit from 5 days ago yet -- IndiePub plugin was previously checking for a CSRF token in the Auth endpoint
# 01:50 benwerd Yeah, I haven't deployed yet - code is going up later
# 01:51 aaronpk also if you're pushingout an update check out that mention-client library update!
# 01:52 benwerd tantek: That feature morphed into audio. I wasn't happy with how video worked without server-side transcoding
# 01:53 tantek benwerd - hmm - then did permalinks to past video posts break unintentionally? or were those deliberate deletions?
# 01:53 benwerd tantek: likely deliberate deletions, but I can't remember actually doing it
# 01:53 kylewm aaronpk: benwerd: coincidentally, I think I included the new mention-client in my Composer PR
# 01:54 tantek benwerd do you have a page where I can watch your videos?
# 01:54 benwerd We've tagged but not released 0.9, so still time for a late addition
# 01:55 kylewm aaronpk: I had like two annoyances with mention-client I was going to bug you about, and then saw there was a new version that fixed them :)
# 02:01 matrrix lo kylewm, how was your day?
# 02:07 kylewm creating bugs, fixing bugs. on balance pretty good :)
# 02:09 matrrix My first day back from two weeks off, similar but emails instead of bugs... :?
# 02:13 KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: have you been following adactio's posts on service workers?
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# 02:43 [shaners] I'll try to write up about the process and my thoughts and decisions that led me to the final iteration.
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# 06:32 tantek here goes nothing with Flickr POSSEing via Bridgy
# 06:36 tantek including all # tags I'd put into my note/photo post automatically converted to Flickr tags. so cool.
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# 06:39 matrrix tantek: I am curious if you're using flickr more for backup or the social features of flickr? I remember you mentioning some of the stuff at HWC, but I've hesitated on adding flickr bridgying "just because", so far
# 06:39 matrrix I don't have much of a network on Flickr and never really have had one
# 06:39 tantek and frankly, to help keep pushing the edges / limits of what we're doing here
# 06:40 matrrix That seems to be how most folks use flickr these days when I poll my circles, heh
# 06:40 tantek though it seems my photos still get some photo interaction
# 06:40 tantek so eventually those interactions / responses will show up on my site via Bridgy backfeed
# 06:40 matrrix is really tempted to clobber together some webmention->instagram hack so that I don't need to manually POSSE to it (i won't remember to)
# 06:41 matrrix oh that is nice
# 06:41 matrrix I imagine I can count on one hand the interaction my (now unused) flickr account has had
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# 06:42 matrrix It has been neat to see archive.org starting to dump things in to Flickr, since they actually have decent ways to explore the archive.org metadata
# 06:43 tantek the tags on Flickr have better searchability support
# 06:54 matrrix gosh reading the comments on here makes me glad I only have webmentions for comments :-(
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# 07:08 matrrix But that is fine, I am migrating blog posts off that site anyways
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# 07:11 matrrix Something simple that just POSSES the photos and backfeeds comments on the photos
# 07:11 matrrix since that implements uploadMedia and getUserComments
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# 07:27 cweiske tantek, your google site does not find anything, not even "admin", "code" or "tantek"
# 07:30 cweiske !tell barnabywalters your google site search also does not return any results
# 07:30 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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# 07:33 Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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# 07:35 cweiske !tell ben_thatmustbeme your google site search doesn't return any resulty
# 07:35 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 07:37 kylewm cweiske: sigh, pretty much nothing about me is up to date since i switched to known
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# 07:56 matrrix [shaners]: Those are great, I really like them
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# 09:53 mcepl Is there some OpenID verifier of some kind? (website when you can test OpenID)?
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# 11:17 petermolnar I know it's usually in the summer, but are the any plans for IWC UK 2016 yet?
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# 13:23 cweiske2 GWG, ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS on your site
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# 13:24 cweiske2 still happens here
# 13:25 cweiske2 Status Code:301 OK
# 13:25 cweiske2 chromium doesn't
# 13:26 cweiske2 firefox doesn't
# 13:26 GWG But not if I don't. Weird caching problem maybe?
# 13:27 cweiske2 HTTP/2 problem?
# 13:27 cweiske2 firefox seems to try http2
# 13:27 cweiske2 at least the curl command I copied from the network panel contains the "--2.0" parameter
# 13:28 GWG Let me see if I can do something from my phone
# 13:29 cweiske2 no, it's not important
# 13:42 GWG I'll have to troubleshoot that more later.
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# 13:55 petermolnar although I don't think my PHP exif actually extracts the gps info, but I'll check
# 13:56 GWG petermolnar: I just happened to come across this. WordPress can store the data and use it.
# 13:57 GWG Might play with it after I go back to location from the Indieweb plugin.
# 13:57 GWG For me, I would want to extract the location to display.
# 13:58 GWG For example if I take a picture with a phone, which embeds by default.
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# 16:10 aaronpk huh, I see stuff just fine too. I wonder if it's only looking for german results for you?
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# 18:58 Jeena is there a known demo installation where I could show the backend during my talk?
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# 19:31 GWG mcverryj1, still having problems?
# 19:32 mcverryj1 not sure if its working like its supposed to. Right now the number of responses is liested when I approve the comments but it doesn’t actually show the twiiter mentions or replies
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# 19:36 GWG mcverryj1, it won't. Your theme is filtering them.
# 19:36 bear ^^ is loqi celebrating ground hog day ??
# 19:36 GWG bear, who is your favorite groundhog?
# 19:37 bear the one I see every morning outside of my office window
# 19:39 snarfed i need to do something about that recent up-and-to-the-right trend :P
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# 19:40 snarfed still just ~$.02-03 per user per month...but regardless, agreed
# 19:40 bear sure, but that can mean it's time to find a host or vendor that is growth resistant cost wise
# 19:41 snarfed ie hedge by buying hosting futures and locking in a rate? :P
# 19:42 bear where COGs is flat or less tied to user count
# 19:42 bear right - if your usage is consistent you can lock in a year long host cost
# 19:43 snarfed yeah, so the slope turns into a step function, stepping at each contract cycle
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# 19:43 bear and it gives you time to prepare for any moves you need due to change in growth curves (up or down)
# 19:44 snarfed it'd definitely be worth looking into if the numbers were higher
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# 19:44 bear sure, if the current $ spend is not yet painful
# 19:46 snarfed yup. it's still comfortably less than we spend on eg cable tv (sadly) :P
# 19:46 bear yea, I know that feeling - my 3 servers is less monthly than comcast internet + cable
# 19:47 GWG I could have a dozen VPSes for what I pay Time Warner
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# 20:01 snarfed a dozen vpses sounds like a horrible punishment for some sin :P
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# 20:06 mcverryj1 thx GWG, I will have to figure out what themes best play with bridgy
# 20:06 mcverryj1 or just start seeing if I can tweak the setting in all the webmentions plug-ins
# 20:06 GWG Webmentions are comments of type webmention.
# 20:07 GWG Your theme only shows pingbacks and comments
# 20:09 mcverryj1 so I should switch to sempress?
# 20:09 mcverryj1 is it pretty?
# 20:09 GWG mcverryj1, I could probably help you edit the theme.
# 20:10 mcverryj1 wow thx I use hueman now
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# 20:15 GWG mcverryj1, got a link for the theme?
# 20:15 mcverryj1 I havent messed with the php but have been playing with css a bit
# 20:16 mcverryj1 I figured as much
# 20:16 mcverryj1 if you get a chance just ping me
# 20:16 mcverryj1 this channel rocks
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# 21:05 aaronpk huh, wonder why Loqi got so many pings about that post
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# 22:12 kylewm snarfed: with that GAE cost, is there one thing driving it mostly? (cpu, storage, bandwidth, memcache, etc.?)
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# 22:46 snarfed kylewm: thanks for asking! it's roughly 2/3 cpu (frontend instances), 1/3 datastore ops (reads/writes)
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# 22:48 kylewm snarfed: do you have a guess/know what the critical path for the cpu stuff? like I'm gussing it spends 80% of its time polling twitter
# 22:48 kylewm like geez i wonder if a faster json decoder would make a difference
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# 22:50 kylewm ujson is a purple link on my browser, so maybe we have discussed this before :P
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# 22:55 snarfed the annoying part is that it can serve happily with only one frontend instance, but app engine's scheduler doesn't handle it well and almost always keeps a second one up
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# 23:18 prtksxna snarfed: I just saw it yesterday and it rekindled my indieweb feelings
# 23:19 prtksxna dshanske has made quite some progress on his WP stuff too
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# 23:39 GWG I heard my notification. Someone was either talking about me or Wordpress
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