#indiewebcamp 2016-02-05

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mblaney !tell tantek I noticed you've only got one item in your atom feed at the moment, but lots of recent posts. Is that intentional?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk yes, his atom feed was maxing out his bandwidth
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KevinMarks iirc he did that because bots crawling his atom feed were chewing up badnwidth
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mblaney thanks yeah I remember discussing it as an option
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mblaney but really for me that means switching the priority of my parser from xml to mf2 first...
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aaronpk welcome to the future! ;)
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aaronpk the mf2 version of a page has the ability to have richer content than the rss or atom feed so you should prioritize those anyway
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mblaney yes I'm noticing that, especially h-card
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mblaney the one thing I don't get is update notifications
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aaronpk update notifications?
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mblaney I know some of you are using PUSH but I've already got rssCloud working
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aaronpk what is rsscloud?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rsscloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cs
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aaronpk googles rsscloud
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aaronpk clicks first result rsscloud.org
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aaronpk is redirected to ledgernote.com
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mblaney no don't do that! :-)
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aaronpk yeaahhh
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mblaney rssCloud is part of the RSS specification, it allows providers to notify subscribers when there are updates to a feed.
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loqi.me created /rssCloud (+145) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-04/line/1454631114043 and dfn added by mblaney" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks You're the first person I've heard of actually implementing it
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mblaney Dave Winer used to have a good walkthrough, but I think the domain was allowed to expire and squatted.
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mblaney wordpress.com supports it, so I get updates from more feeds that I initially thought I would
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mblaney I think Dave tried to restore the documentation here: http://walkthrough.rsscloud.co/
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mblaney (with only partial success)
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aaronpk why is it better than PuSH?
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[shaners] kevinmarks: I *could* a corner radius in the C, but there are no other rounded corners anywhere in the design.
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Loqi [shaners]: KevinMarks left you a message 25 minutes ago: comment on your logo http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-thing-that-is-a-little-jarring-is-squaring-off http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-04/line/1454629866198
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KevinMarks wow http://pingomatic.com/ still exists
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KevinMarks right, but the I and W are rectilinear letters, but the C is curved, and a circle
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aaronpk I'm very curious what it would look like with a C carved out of the C
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[shaners] "a C carved out of the C” ?
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mblaney anyway, I guess I could receive a notification from rssCloud and *still* parse the mf2 ;-)
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KevinMarks does rsscloud send you the feed or the post?
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kylewm http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/54/full/tsw84vqfgzyh5z83dyt5d2bdp.png
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aaronpk like this more or less but with better spacing/proportion/shape/etc https://www.dropbox.com/s/d293g9s6s8quhmm/Screenshot%202016-02-04%2016.20.09.png?dl=0
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[shaners] "with better spacing/proportion/shape/etc” is the whole process
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mblaney KevinMarks: just a ping
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mblaney there's really nothing special about it being attached to rss, it would work equally well as a mf2 notifier.
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[shaners] aaronpk: I see what you’re saying though (in your dropbox link)
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[shaners] I did try variations like that. Which I guess didn’t make it into the blog post.
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[shaners] So, I guess I’ll do another round of iterations and another blog post.
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[shaners] Was there a design committee for the current logo or did Crystal just make it?
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aaronpk crystal just made it
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KevinMarks I was thinking more like http://svgur.com/s/44
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unicyclic.com mal edited /rssCloud (+602) (view diff)
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snarfed1 steps toward global incoming webmentions for any site: https://github.com/aaronpk/Telegraph/issues/10
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mblaney what is rssCloud?
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Loqi rssCloud is part of the RSS specification, it allows publishers to notify subscribers when there are updates to a feed https://indiewebcamp.com/rssCloud
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mblaney ^ I added some more links to that page, if anyone is interested.
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aaronpk I always thought rsscloud had lost to PuSH a long time ago
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mblaney aaronpk: It probably did, but it's way simpler. Was really no effort to implement.
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mblaney I think the principle behind it could be easily be applied to mf2 as well, ie reimplemented in microformats
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mblaney no hub required either
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aaronpk it sounds nearly identical to PuSH
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aaronpk except the hub is on the same server as the blog
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aaronpk which you can do with PuSH
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KevinMarks and it's SOAP or xml-rpc
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mblaney no rssCloud allows POST
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aaronpk "This code sends an HTTP POST request to http://josephscott.org/?rsscloud=notify asking to get a notification when the http://josephscott.org/feed/ feed is updated" that is a PuSH subscription request
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aaronpk "The notification is to be sent to the remote IP used in the request" this means I am not interetsed in using the protocol because that's a ridiculous requirement
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aaronpk from https://josephscott.org/archives/2009/09/rsscloud-for-wordpress/
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mblaney no that was updated.
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aaronpk in the update, it even does the same challenge that PuSH does https://josephscott.org/archives/2009/10/rsscloud-wordpress-plugin-update-0-4-1/
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aaronpk mblaney: have you read this page? http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push#How_to_Subscribe
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aaronpk I tried to explain how to subscribe to a PuSH hub in a way that made more sense than the spec
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mblaney thanks I will have a look
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mblaney I like that rssCloud auto expires subscriptions after 24 hours, onus is on subscribers to stay connected.
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aaronpk PuSH has that too
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mblaney ok cool
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aaronpk the time period is defined by the hub, so the subscriber has to check how long their subscription is valid after subscribing
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mblaney nice, they really are quite similar.... hopefully that means I can use the same logic to support it :-)
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mblaney aaronpk: just finished reading http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push#How_to_Subscribe thanks, I like that it aims to be minimum viable subset.
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aaronpk cool
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mblaney the only thing I'm missing is what's required from a hub to send notifications
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aaronpk has "write how-to-hub" guide on his todo list ;)
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aaronpk basically the hub waits for "publish" pings from the site, then sends pings to all the subscribers
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aaronpk if the hub is not doing fat pings, then it's really easy
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mblaney :-) you say standard notifications don't contain a POST body, but rssCloud provides the url of the updated feed.
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mblaney sure thin pings are great, but what if you've subscribed to more than one feed on a domain?
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aaronpk use a different URL per subscription
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aaronpk e.g. subscriber?feed=1 subscriber?feed=2
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aaronpk then sort it out on the receiving end
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aaronpk i'm not opposed to the idea of including the URL of the feed in the ping though, but not sure if that would technically be allowed in PuSH 0.4
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mblaney ok sure, shouldn't bee too hard to add to what I've done then.
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aaronpk but yeah this is in the spec and also in my guide: "It is considered good practice to use a unique callback URL for each subscription."
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mblaney ok, no point adding it if it's not part of the spec
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mblaney btw
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@veganstraightedge My first POSSE. Finally. #indieweb http://veganstraightedge.com/notes/2016/02/05/my-first-posse-finally-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695416724351365121)
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mblaney shaners++ for new logo
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Loqi shaners has 18 karma
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aaronpk shaners++ indeed
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Loqi shaners has 19 karma
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@veganstraightedge In Response to @andigalpern’s IndieWebCamp Logo Redesign http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/04/in-response-to-andigalperns-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign (twitter.com/_/status/695417075532042240)
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mblaney I don't think any design is going to make everyone happy, maybe best to aim for "is this an improvement on the old one" and get consensus on that :-)
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[shaners] I deleted that second tweet. It was just a test POSSE of an article. It worked!
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aaronpk woo!
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[shaners] I should’ve done it with one that didn’t get slurped into the channel :sunglasses:
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk and one that didn't send andigalpern a push notification ;)
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[shaners] Yeah. I just got excited and PUSHED THE BUTTON.
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aaronpk buttons are exciting!
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Loqi [bridgy] Vaquero d medianoche replied '@t @rikmende @bbva @elpais_es @um @un @cia @nytimes @texaco @luis PROTEJAMOS NAT...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (https://twitter.com/medianoche_d/status/695423860779298816)
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sixtwothree.org edited /events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club (+615) "Add Homebrew Website Club DC!" (view diff)
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jgarber http://www.ronpaul.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ron-paul-its-happening-animated.gif
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jgarber tantek: Finally got around to organizing HWC for next week here in DC. :)
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tantek congrats!!! that is awesome!!
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Loqi tantek: mblaney left you a message 2 hours, 9 minutes ago: I noticed you've only got one item in your atom feed at the moment, but lots of recent posts. Is that intentional? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-04/line/1454630726953
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tantek mblaney: yeah, shrank the atom feed because frankly, it was being abused by inefficient feed readers and/or bots.
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tantek mblaney: for the full feed - you can subscribe to my home page h-feed
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mblaney sure :-) I will do that. Just requires a bit of work my end as I need to ignore the feed it finds on the page.
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mblaney currently that gets priority.
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tantek the page h-feed should always get priority because it is more visible to more people (i.e. with normal browsing) and is thus more likely to be accurate / complete
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mblaney I was thinking having a feed of only updates meant less processing is required in general, but it's probably not much of an advantage.
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aaronpk what are "only update"?
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aaronpk s
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "only update" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ct
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aaronpk oops
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mblaney aaronpk my feed only has posts from the last 24 hours, the page they are displayed on doesn't have that limit.
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aaronpk oh interesting
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tantek mblaney - oh yeah - I remember that conversation - I think yours is a better solution, though I may floor it at at least 1 item in the feed so it doesn't look empty / dead.
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KartikPrabhu I does it by year for articles and month for notes
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+135) "/* Working On */ Atom feed past 24h" (view diff)
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mblaney I'm not sure, the earlier conversation has me leaning to default to mf2 and PuSH now ;-)
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mblaney also my "optimisation" to parse less content can be reduced by just showing fewer posts per page.
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mblaney that would also rely on supporting PuSH though, so posts aren't missed if published in quick succession (and disappearing off the page that's been subscribed to)
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@jgarber @gjhead Thanks! All the credit goes to @t and the amazing #indiewebcamp community, though. I’m just bringing it here to DC! (twitter.com/_/status/695435685482799104)
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aaronpk this is going to be cool https://github.com/aaronpk/Telegraph/issues/10
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aaronpk now I just need someone who supports PuSH to mention my site!
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kylewm aaronpk: do you accept domain-level webmentions?
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kylewm wait, lol you need someone who supports PuSH but not webmention to mention your site
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kylewm realizes he's not as helpful as he thought
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KevinMarks hm, do tumblr or blogger fit?
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TheDavidJohnson What about a WordPress site that doesn't support webmention?
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TheDavidJohnson aaronpk: do the PuSH notifications need to go through Superfeedr to work? If not, I think I may have just sent one your way
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snarfed woo, excited aaronpk! can i set mine up too? looks like it's /superfeedr/TOKEN ?
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+11) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ comment out Edinburgh until there's another planned! DC is on for the 10th" (view diff)
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tantek shaners++ for https://twitter.com/veganstraightedge/status/695416724351365121
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@veganstraightedge My first POSSE. Finally. #indieweb http://veganstraightedge.com/notes/2016/02/05/my-first-posse-finally-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695416724351365121)
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tantek awe Loqi prioritizes tweets over karma
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 20 karma
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[shaners] Thanks, T. Feels good.
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[aaronpk] snarfed: yep give it a shot!
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cweiske as a search engine, how can I be notified when anything on a website changes? subscribing to every URL via PuSH doesn't seem to be sensible
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KartikPrabhu what's the objection to PuSH for eveyr URL?
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cweiske I'd say it's a bit much
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KartikPrabhu search engines do a lot of "bit much". crawling a whole lot of URLs for example
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cweiske ok, just imagine I really push subscribe to 100k urls
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cweiske currently I'd have 5k
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KartikPrabhu and the problem is?
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cweiske alone the traffic to renew the subscriptions is substantially
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KartikPrabhu the traffic to you as a consumer
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KartikPrabhu yes of course
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KartikPrabhu it is no different from having to periodically crawl 100k URLs
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cweiske so no improvement
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cweiske since I still have to make 100k http calls
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KartikPrabhu yeah. sure
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KartikPrabhu just like there isn't much improvement wrt to http calls when polling for h-feed updates vs PuSH notifications
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KartikPrabhu it is an improvement for "real time" results though
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KartikPrabhu and also for sites that are not update frequently
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cweiske maybe I just should subscribe to feeds I find on the pages
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cweiske and simply hope to get all info
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KartikPrabhu that isn't much different from parsing the h-feed
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kylewm cweiske, this isn't part of the actual PuSH spec is it? https://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub#Wildcards
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@xwolf RT @jkphl 😱 Phew. I'll need a lot of coffee the next 33 nights. ⏳ https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ #wke2016 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695549012812951552)
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@DennisSchoepf94 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695550688114438144)
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@d0gada All #webmention services from the stack (Telegraph, webmentions.io and Bridgy) works well so far. #IndieWeb rules! (https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/adding-webmentions) (twitter.com/_/status/695634829677727744)
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Loqi [mention] someone posted http://thedavidjohnson.com/2016/02/04/indieweb-stuff/ that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub and http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention https://webmention.io/notification/KW6AquNa-kyZvmfmECz2nw
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Loqi [mention] D.V.D. posted "Started to integrate #WebMentions (http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions) into Coe..." https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/adding-webmentions that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions and https://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed https://webmention.io/notification/1NRUtuImyQNRGcQCCRNegw
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dogada Superb, I just started to integrate webmentions and see link to my blog post (https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/adding-webmentions) here. Really cool technology.
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dogada Thanks to all people involved in it!
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dogada By the way, ATM I'm adding microformats2 support to my homebrew distributed facebook replacement http://www.coect.net and have an unclear issues. Is it ok for h-entry to use p-name and p-summary INSIDE div.e-content or they should be on same level?
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GWG dogada: Not the expert on that, but it is preferable outside of it, but can be inside it.
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dogada Thanks, I saw it is allowed to use <p class="e-content p-name"> so suppose that p-name inside e-content is allowed as well.
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GWG dogada: That would mean the p-name and the e-content are the same thing
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dogada In coect I store posts in the database in special WMPL format (similar to Markdown but allows to store metadata as well) and on rendering stage I wrap them with div.h-entry. If for a post in meta is defined title I add siblings h1.p-name and div.e-content but if there is no implicit title, I can add it inside WMPL (that is also wrapped in e-content automatically). So I may end with situation when inside .e-content have both p-name and p-summary.
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kylewm dogada: that's defintely OK. it helps if name == the plaintext of content in that case, so that consumers can tell they are redundant and ignore name
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dogada GWG, thanks
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dogada Thank, kylewm, I saw bridgy understands p-summary inside e-content as well
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cweiske.de edited /search (+49) "/* Software */ link phinde" (view diff)
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@benwerd I'm so used to posting on my own site first and syndicating to Twitter and Facebook that I'd find it so weird to post natively. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695649095415762944)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I'm so used to posting on my own site first and syndicating to Twitter and Facebook that I'd find it so weird to post natively." by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/im-so-used-to-posting-on-my-own-site-first
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:phinde_search_indieweb.png "Screenshot of the phinde search engineURL: http://search.cweiske.de/?site=cweiske.de%2Ftagebuch&q=indieweb"
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cweiske.de edited /search (+429) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ cweiske has indie search level 4" (view diff)
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sknebel why does the search site consider client-side search to be Level 5 (and thus presumably better) than server-side search at Level 4?
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sknebel offering site search in JS is an interesting hack if you have a purely static site, but pushing your entire search index to the user and depending on JS is IMHO not that elegant
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jonnybarnes favourite typo of the day: client -> clinet
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aaronpk Who is recommending client side search?
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aaronpk Huh I have no idea why that would be better
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aaronpk I think there might be benefits to client side filtering for autocomplete of venues and mentioning/tagging people, but that's part of a posting interface, not necessarily your website
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Loqi [indieweb] "ix mag etwas auf twitter.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9247/1/0/
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sknebel aaronpk: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=search#client_side_search ok, it just says "possible level 5"
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kylewm That's surprising that tantek added the client-side search section!
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kylewm seems uncharacteristic
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petermolnar sincw everything is becoming client side today, I guess it's inevitable for search, at least until the react/angular/ember/mithril/whateverJS hype is over ( or am I being negative again? :( )
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Loqi [indieweb] "I'm so used to posting on my own site first and syndicating to Twitter and Facebook that I'd find it so weird to post natively." by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/im-so-used-to-posting-on-my-own-site-first
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snarfed aaronpk: i subscribed a superfeedr tracker to http://telegraph.p3k.io/superfeedr/TELEGRAPH_TOKEN, and it tried to send a couple notifs ~13h ago, but they failed
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snarfed haven't found any more details in superfeedr or telegraph yet
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[aaronpk] No info about the error?
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snarfed not in their dashboard, sadly
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snarfed trying their "retrieve" api call now
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KevinMarks I think a more interesting level 5 would be 'searches your site and things it has linked to' - which goes well with caching things you link to
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dogada What is recommended way to assemble h-feeds from different indie web-sites and read posts in single Twitter-like timeline? How to "subscribe" to an indie h-feed?
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snarfed aaronpk: no luck
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recommended way to assemble h-feeds from different indie web-sites and read posts in single Twitter-like timeline" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cu
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snarfed mind grepping logs when you get a chance? no hurry. i'm guessing you and i are the only /superfeedr users so far, so hopefully shouldn't be too much to wade through
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snarfed dogada: http://indiewebcamp.com/reader
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dogada For coect.net I'm working on solution that will assemble feeds from hosts connected using OpenId Connect protocol with enabled Dynamic Registration (so you don't need to receive App token/secret prior to subscription)
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KevinMarks if the feeds are public you don't need tokens to subscribe
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KevinMarks previously: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/05/mixing-degrees-of-publicness-in-http.html
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dogada Agreed, but I need to assemble all feeds using same solution, so you can read public feeds as well as protected feeds from work, projects, etc in single timeline on all your connected devices
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dogada And even more I need to allow to publish into a feed from external source, like Top500 on HackerNews, ect
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[aaronpk] I have plans for doing that too but I am definitely not putting them all into a single timeline
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[aaronpk] This is the basis for the idea https://aaronparecki.com/2015/08/29/8/why-i-live-in-irc
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dogada For Coect I implemented multi level access control https://github.com/dogada/coect/blob/master/common/access.js#L95
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dogada so users with different roles (admin, moderator, staff, vip/friend, subscriber, logged in, guest) can see different subsets of entries and this costs me just one condition WHERE access > $userAccess.
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dogada This access levels I will adapt to webmentions as well. All new received webmentions will be showed to admins and moderators by default to avoid spam and only after moderation will be available for public
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KevinMarks have you looked at vouch? If you have a social graph in coect that seems like a good fit
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aaronpk snarfed: I see some get requests to the url that ends in TELEGRAPH_TOKEN from the slack API lol
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aaronpk i see the superfeedr pings but telegraph returned 400
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dogada Kevin, haven't worked with i
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dogada it
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aaronpk it returns 400 when it can't find the URL from the superfeedr payload
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@Inkwater_Masha The Cost of Self-Publishing a Book #amwriting #indieauth #selfpub http://www.blotsandplots.com/blog/the-cost-of-self-publishing-a-book?platform=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/695674560079904768)
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aaronpk I might need to log the payloads i'm getting from superfeedr to see what it's sending me. it's possible I got that wrong
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KevinMarks what is vouch?
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Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch
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KevinMarks if you already have moderator queue infrastructure, vouch could be a good extension
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KevinMarks and if you have a social graph for your users, constructing vouches should be easy
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snarfed aaronpk: thanks for looking
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GWG I have a concern with Vouch.
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GWG That someone new will have no one to Vouch for them
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snarfed GWG: afaik vouch is better seen as a score than a black/white approve/reject
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GWG I have yet to see an implementation in practice, though I read the literature.
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snarfed ie it's more appropriate to put unvouched wms into a moderation queue than directly into spam/trash
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snarfed yup, that's the other key point. in practice there's almost no adoption, so concerns are all pretty hypothetical so far
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GWG snarfed, I would tackle it, but too much on my plate right now.
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GWG I have finishing the enhancements to the Indieweb plugin, despite some controversy there.
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GWG Returning to my location and venue work.
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snarfed GWG: out of curiosity, why would you tackle vouch? what benefit would you hope to get from it?
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dogada Kevin, I got the idea of Vouch. I thought about smth similar i.e. obtain list of friends (and from all his connected social profiles) of webmention author and if we have common friends - accept webmention, if not -- put it on moderation
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GWG And that is just the next two things on my list.
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GWG snarfed, as part of my hope of getting webmentions into Core.
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snarfed oh right, even though it's optional and very low adoption
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snarfed ok
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dogada anyway I don't accept webmentions directly now and use webmention.io proxy
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GWG snarfed, I'd want to write it with support in mind as an extension.
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GWG snarfed, my problem is similar to kylewm's reasons for moving to Known.
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GWG I want the community.
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Loqi gives GWG the community
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GWG So, I prioritized adding new features into Indieweb. I already have those features, but no one could find them.
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GWG So my itch is getting more Wordpress users involved.
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KevinMarks right, dogada, but you could construct outgoing vouches if you send webmentions
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GWG But then I put something in, and get asked why.
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GWG I'm not sure how to reconcile the two.
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cleverdevil GWG have you engaged with many people in the WP dev community?
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cleverdevil I've got several people who work for me at DreamHost who are heavily involved with WP.
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cleverdevil might be good to see if there is interest in making some indieweb things core, like webmention.
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GWG cleverdevil, I have made some attempts,some more promising than otjersr
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GWG others.
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GWG cleverdevil, anyone you can recruit?
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cleverdevil if you'd like, I can introduce you to Mike Schroder (@GetSource), the current WP release lead.
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cleverdevil he works for my team.
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cleverdevil Mika Epstein (@Ipstenu) would also be helpful, she's also on my team.
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GWG cleverdevil, I believe she reviewed my plugin.
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cleverdevil wouldn't surprise me ;)
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cleverdevil she reviews *lots* of plugins.
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GWG She's on the review team.
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GWG I admit to being only an adequate programmer.
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GWG But I don't know if I am going about things the right way.
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GWG People don't seem to be talking about Wordpress for personal sites anymore, just for business
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GWG The lack of conversation on that may be part of the problem.
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KevinMarks thats a false dichotomy though - webmention, POSSE etc apply to businesses too
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KevinMarks especially for small businesses, who are kinda indie
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GWG KevinMarks, agreed. But not as many examples of that to hold up.
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cleverdevil nods.
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cleverdevil we host a *ton* of personal WordPress sites.
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GWG cleverdevil, I would love to engage with any of them.
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cleverdevil I don't own the WordPress product here, but connecting with them would be a good start.
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cleverdevil there's a possibility we could help get some of the indieweb standards moved into core WP.
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todrobbins Anybody else see this? https://keybase.io/introducing-the-keybase-filesystem
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GWG cleverdevil, I'm referring to attention. People aren't talking about their personal sites as much.
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GWG cleverdevil, I have some tickets open.
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cleverdevil or, to start, maybe get the Indieweb plugins installed by default in our WordPress one-click installs and in our managed WordPress product (DreamPress)
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cleverdevil shoot me an email with a summary, and I'll do introductions!
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GWG cleverdevil, they would all need to iterate a bit for that.
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GWG cleverdevil, how do I find your email?
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cleverdevil like that ;)
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GWG I fear that we need to iterate on what we have to get Dreamhost integration though.
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GWG I have to acknowledge the comments that the hodgepodge of things we have confuse everyone.
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cleverdevil that's fine.
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cleverdevil we may be able to help!
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cleverdevil just be open about where you're at, but speak to the ultimate vision of what you're trying to accomplish.
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cleverdevil if we can get enough people in the WP community excited by it, then I think we have a real shot at seeing a greater degree of integration.
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cleverdevil adoption, I mean.
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cleverdevil (well, both really)
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GWG There is just a lot to this.
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GWG I can't do it all.
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GWG I can barely do what I'm doing.
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GWG I took myself from writing almost no original code in March of 2014 when I joined the community here to having my hands in every Indieweb project for WordPress.
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GWG Hands referring to Issue filing, pull requests, and making a general nuisance of myself.
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GWG I'm known professionally for being a nuisance as well.
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cleverdevil ;)
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tantek kylewm re: client-side search, it was part of my brainstorming about all the advantages of if/when I progressively enhance Falcon to load storage files clientside for zero-roundtrip next/prev post nav. search with auto-suggest dropdown, perhaps # of posts, post names etc.
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tantek GWG, you said "I have yet to see an implementation in practice" - I thought you were at IndieWebCamp Cambridge (or MIT) in 2014 where ben_thatmustbeme *demonstrated* his implementation for Vouch in practice (and still uses it AFAIK).
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@fredho02 @btconf what i wondered today: would it make sense as a newbie and not the hardcore developer to join the indiewebcamp in May? (twitter.com/_/status/695694829733416960)
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tantek what is keybase?
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Loqi Keybase is a GPG key silo https://indiewebcamp.com/keybase
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cleverdevil love keybase.
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cleverdevil the new filesystem sounds great!
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gRegorLove I have working /Vouch as well.
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@wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695696476459110401)
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@jkphl RT @wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695697581180121089)
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@tollwerk RT @wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695697581322739714)
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@PatrickLobacher RT @wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695697897992617984)
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GWG tantek, I wasn't there.
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GWG I was at Cambridge in 2015.
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@xwolf RT @wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695699555137036288)
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@btconf @jkphl @fredho02 I can only agree here. Surely it makes sense. The #IndieWebCamp will have something for any experience level. (twitter.com/_/status/695700660751351809)
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GWG But there was video at 2014. I may go tune it in.
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KevinMarks gillmor gang time again. where did this week go?
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GWG It was recycled and sold as artisanal assorted days?
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matrrix What is gillmor gang?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gillmor gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cv
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gRegorLove matrrix: A web show about technology http://techcrunch.com/video/gillmor-gang/
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@dkreuz @DennisSchoepf94 auch mal probieren? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695717187999436801)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/plexus/status/695704864374943744
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@plexus So much this "how open source is maintained" RT @yasinsiddiqui: @nayafia [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/695704864374943744)
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matrrix gRegorLove: neat
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, tantek, I do still send a vouch on every webmention if i can
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: It was more commentary on limited implementation.
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ben_thatmustbeme also receieved vouches bypass my whitelist
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gRegorLove I just realized on the new Twitter modal permalinks there's left and right navigation arrows. Looks like they finally caught up to tantek for navigating between notes. :)
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KevinMarks the challenge is that you do need a user graph for vouch
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Loqi [indieweb] "Distributed > decentralised? Maybe. Worth checking this out. #indieweb - IPFS is a new peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol. https://ipfs.io/" by Mark http://ministryofmark.com/2015/distributed-decentralised-maybe-worth-checking-this-out-indieweb---ipfs
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Loqi [indieweb] "Finally! Able to post to Facebook with Known. But, without submitting. No idea how long it'll work without submitting. #indieweb" by Mark http://ministryofmark.com/2015/finally-able-to-post-to-facebook-with-known-but-without
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snarfed1 revisits my regular plea here...
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snarfed has anyone else here gone through instagram's new permission approval process yet? please let us know, we'd love to hear details!
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snarfed background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths https://webmention.io/notification/Ip_LHycbqWZVPrsQu9fVHA
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snarfed "someone"
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS https://webmention.io/notification/2JRJddvylpE-G0MkdPFZPA