#indiewebcamp 2016-02-25

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tantek KevinMarks, re: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/are-you-a-member-of-my-gangthis-is-for-you - looks like it is returning a 410 which doesn't seem right.
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Loqi This content has been removed
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tantek FB private content returns a 200 with a message, e.g. https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik
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tantek "Sorry, this content isn't available right now
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tantek The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in."
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tantek that seems reasonable
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tantek what is a private post?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/private_post
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tantek what is private content?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private content" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ez
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tantek what is a private profile?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private profile" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F0
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[shaners] tantek: when you implemented CSP stuff on your site, did you mess with the "style-src” directive?
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[shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy
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tantek private profile is a feature of some silos (like [[Facebook]]) which allows a user to make their profile accessible only to friends. Related but quite different: A [[private account]] has all [[private posts]], but has a limited public profile including name, icon, bio, and the ability to request following.
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loqi.me created /private_profile (+335) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-24/line/1456358820320 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek shaners, my style-src directive is documented here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy#Tantek
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[shaners] kthx
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[shaners] It’s always the little things.
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[shaners] I was doing something like: ‘foo bar’ instead of: ‘foo’ ‘bar'
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[shaners] (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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tantek shaners, indeed. I did have to mess with stuff like that, but once I got it working I figured I'd document it for all the usual reasons :)
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[shaners] I really appreciate.
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[shaners] Unfortunately, it’s not copy/pasta for me. Since I’m using Rails and each person running DM:Publisher could be using any web server. So, .htaccess is out.
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[shaners] Fortunately, there’s a gem made by Twitter that has really sane defaults and gets me 90% there. Now just have to tweak the last 10%.
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tantek shaners, I'm not using .htaccess, I'm sending it as an HTTP header from PHP, using the header() function. Presumably Rails has something similar where you can just send another HTTP header field as a string?
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[shaners] Yeah. That’s what I’m doing with this gem. Just trying to dial in the configuration just right.
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[shaners] My site (locally) is barfing at image-src ‘*’
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[shaners] and ‘data:'
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[shaners] (I had read something else that was using .htaccess earlier and it got mis-jumbled in my brain with stuff, but it’s unrelated)
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[shaners] The difference is this:
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[shaners] img_src: %w(* data:)
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[shaners] instead of this:
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[shaners] img_src: %w(‘*' data:)
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[shaners] OOPS
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tantek all set here in SF
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M-RyanRix have fun tonight tantek, sorry i cant make it this week
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tantek M-RyanRix: no problem! Hope to see you in two weeks!
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tantek feel free to lurk remotely :)
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M-RyanRix whyd i lose my nick again
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aaronpk sometimes i forget that it's possible to change my own apps when I don't like the way they look/work
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tantek I wonder if there's a term for that
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tantek learned disdesignability
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tantek learned unconfigurability
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aaronpk yeah, i get so used to the "ugh why did they make it this way" feeling of using other peoples' apps that i sometimes forget that *i* am that somebody
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aaronpk and the thing i am using is my own app and i can just change it if i want
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this is the Homebrew Website Club where we talk about our websites -no hack is too big or too small (twitter.com/_/status/702683568414302208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp MIT is coming up on March 14-15th - Gregorian Pi day (twitter.com/_/status/702683734420516864)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have also locked down the dates for Indieweb Summit in Portland http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 is June 4-5 (twitter.com/_/status/702683974460690433)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: http://indiewebcamp.com is the indieweb organisation (twitter.com/_/status/702684095801856000)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: imagine everything that you do on sites like twitter on facebook, but on your own site, and able to do more (twitter.com/_/status/702684629883551745)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we already had meetings today in Göteborg in Sweden, Washington DC and have SF and Portland meeting right now (twitter.com/_/status/702684859433684997)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: looking up this week's news at http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-19.html I see a good article about webmentions: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/702685331666165760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Moshe: I do sumi painting- Japanese calligraphy and I was wanting my site http://moshecohen.net to reflect that (twitter.com/_/status/702685990763286529)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Moshe: I work between clown and Zen, and I want to do something more composed (twitter.com/_/status/702686423103774720)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Excited to be chatting with Moshe Cohen, the founder of Clowns Without Borders, at Homebrew Website Club. http://moshecohen.net/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/excited-to-be-chatting-with-moshe-cohen-the-founder-of
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@benwerd Excited to be chatting with Moshe Cohen, the founder of Clowns Without Borders, at Homebrew Website Club. http://moshecohen.net/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702687963839221762)
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@kevinmarks @dewitt @t making it easy to deploy your own instance of indieweb tools like @withknown would be part of this (twitter.com/_/status/702689255122862084)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@dewitt @t making it easy to deploy your own instance of indieweb tools like @wi...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/702689255122862084)
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @t I don't think we're at a disaster stage fortunately, but I'd like...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/702687259997265920)
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @t Indeed. And increasingly in non-platform agnostic ways (container...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/702687789809164289)
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GWG DeWitt Clinton?
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GWG The former Governor of New York?
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Loqi [mention] Kevin Marks wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/Jp162p17dhFws799lvrvew
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@benwerd @kevinmarks is demoing webmentions in http://svgur.com - people can reply to images from across the web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702691421015244800)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks is demoing webmentions in http://svgur.com - people can reply to images from across the web #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/kevinmarks-is-demoing-webmentions-in---people-can-reply-to
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@benwerd I'll DM you right now, let's set something up. CC @kevinmarks @t @withk...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/702689869454159872)
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @t Think anyone would be interested in discussing how we can help al...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/702686974830780417)
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@benwerd Cool! @kevinmarks is now accepting webmentions on SVG files itself - which means you can comment on an image vs just a web page. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702691798183882752)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Cool! @kevinmarks is now accepting webmentions on SVG files itself - which means you can comment on an image vs just a web page. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/cool-kevinmarks-is-now-accepting-webmentions-on-svg-files-itself
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Loqi [bridgy] DeWitt Clinton replied '@kevinmarks @t @withknown I'd love to talk specifics sometime soon.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/dewitt/status/702689426527248384)
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Loqi [bridgy] Ben Werdmüller replied '@dewitt @kevinmarks Me too! @t @withknown' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/702689638738059264)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@dewitt @t certainly - we tend to use them to run services…' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/702687209963401217)
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Loqi [mention] Kevin Marks wrote a post that linked to an event: "IndieWeb Summit" http://indiewebcamp.com/2016 https://webmention.io/notification/_cMw7-xUWp8La_uA4l3qyA
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@benwerd @kevinmarks discussing members of #thehashtagthatshallnotbenamed and how they seem to have found a new home on GNU Social. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702692732502802434)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks discussing members of #thehashtagthatshallnotbenamed and how they seem to have found a new home on GNU Social. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/kevinmarks-discussing-members-of-thehashtagthatshallnotbenamed-and-how-they-seem-to
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: this week I made http://svgur.com publish webmention links in the head for svg fiels as well as html pages (twitter.com/_/status/702695296661364736)
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tantek Bridgy++ wow video POSSE to Twitter, Facebook, Flickr worked first try oh my goodness
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: I am now scanning all the books that I own with barcodes and showing them on my site at http://erinjorichey.com/library/ (twitter.com/_/status/702695627348692992)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: at the moment I am doing this for physical books first but I am goign to add my ebooks too (twitter.com/_/status/702695720214794241)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: this is a fork of a lending library project on github, whixh is linked from the bottom of the page (twitter.com/_/status/702696092966764544)
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tantek That Bridgy Publish triple POSSEd video post: http://tantek.com/2016/055/t12/fast-walk-hike-beach-video
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a videoLast Saturday: 7 mile fast walk hike to the beach & back in 1:50. Done.#beach #video #marin #sfrc #heysweatdaily #fromwhereihike #fro...
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KevinMarks https://openlibrary.org/ also has good infor on books amazon doesn't
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Telegram is an allegedly encrypted open IM client that is the new chat (twitter.com/_/status/702697469436624896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @erinjo: the elections are happening in Iran right now and everyone is using telegram to discuss who they are voting for (twitter.com/_/status/702697572520087552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: speaking of freedom - a friend of mine in Bangalore got in touch over the students being jailed in Delhi (twitter.com/_/status/702697950045143040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: so to track this I built http://jnu.benwerd.com to track all the news stories of protests in Delhi (twitter.com/_/status/702698109047054336)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: As well as links to the story it grabs screenshots of the news stories and caches them in case they go down (twitter.com/_/status/702698279075758081)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this is a living archive as an extension to known -it can take in any RSS, Atom or h-feed and cache them as images (twitter.com/_/status/702698688058138624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I integrated Joshua the chat bot I showed before with MMS and SMS and slack so I can ask if it is safe to leave mozilla (twitter.com/_/status/702699378943922176)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this is a living archive as an extension to known -it can take in any RSS, Atom or h-feed and cache them as images (twitter.com/_/status/702700020605308941)
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@Teckreview RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this is a living archive as an extension to known -it can take in any RSS, Atom or h-feed and cache them as images (twitter.com/_/status/702700027253301249)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: her's a video I posted to my site from tennessee valley beach http://tantek.com/2016/055/t12/fast-walk-hike-beach-video (twitter.com/_/status/702700128587661316)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I used brid.gy publish to POSSE the video from my site to twitter, facebook and flickr (twitter.com/_/status/702700320829411329)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: note that the silo copies are now private to friends only on my social media copies, but public on my own site (twitter.com/_/status/702700891250544641)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Note that as @kevinmarks said earlier the silos do autoplay video silently, with a click to show audio. (twitter.com/_/status/702701180426842112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we should suggest an extension to the <video> tag controls property for muted autoplay video (twitter.com/_/status/702701393300340736)
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-24.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702718204976607232)
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb @kevinmarks @t: And as @jeffjarvis notes, it's subtitling that helps to drive engagement when autoplay of videos is silent. (twitter.com/_/status/702722157944549376)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb @kevinmarks @t: And as @jeffjarvis notes, it's subtitling that helps to drive engagement when autoplay of videos is silent." by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-kevinmarks-t-and-as-jeffjarvis-notes-its-subtitling-that
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@BooksByLorraine RT @WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 68 (twitter.com/_/status/702726281985716224)
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@SueColetta1 RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 68 (twitter.com/_/status/702726184396783616)
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 68 (twitter.com/_/status/702726092122169344)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 68 (twitter.com/_/status/702725716723503104)
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@wyclif @julesvern97 #IndieWeb https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/702728756604100608)
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@erikpischel @0x0me great! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702775631059263489)
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@nueww Unabhängigkeit und Selbstbestimmung im Netz? Das #IndieWeb liefert konkrete Ansätze. http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702806597291089921)
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@SachaGoerg Chouette article sur la logique #POSSE, en gros, publie sur ton site et duplique le contenu chez FB, Twitter, etc. https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/702816508012003328)
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@jkphl RT @nueww Unabhängigkeit und Selbstbestimmung im Netz? Das #IndieWeb liefert konkrete Ansätze. http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702825187864154112)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jussipekonen says when ADN closes he'll rely on his website and micro-blog. So I need to make sure he gathers the reply I make from" by Jeremy Cherfas http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Vaviblog/~3/3eX7cOmADt8/jussipekonen-says-when-adn-closes-hell-rely-on-his-website
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jussipekonen says when ADN closes he'll rely on his website and micro-blog. So I need to make sure he gathers the reply I make from" by Jeremy Cherfas https://www.vaviblog.com/2016/jussipekonen-says-when-adn-closes-hell-rely-on-his-website
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@nueww The importance of owning your data is getting more awareness. The first #IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702856992914849792)
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@jkphl RT @nueww The importance of owning your data is getting more awareness. The first #IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702858926132432896)
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@deeq11 http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/19/matrix-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/702863016526782465)
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@luxagraf Hey #IndieWeb fans, have a cool project or know of one that you’d like to see get some press? Send me with some links... (twitter.com/_/status/702876404267020288)
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@webmonkey RT @luxagraf Hey #IndieWeb fans, have a cool project or know of one that you’d like to see get some press? Send me with some links... (twitter.com/_/status/702881307014119425)
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aaronpk that's a nice offer from @luxagraf! (He wrote the article about Webmention last week)
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petermolnar is it just me or bridgy is getting faster (could even call it immediate) lately?
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kylewm petermolnar: I believe snarfed is working on improving the latency of the polling
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kylewm the task queue sometimes gets behind, where a task is supposed to run every 10 minutes, but it gets delayed
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kylewm but not close to immediate :)
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@ChrisAldrich Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/?mt=1456370778208 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702898636225540097)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/?mt=1456370778208 #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/remember-wordpress-pingbacks-the-w3c-wants-us-to-use-them
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petermolnar aaronpk I've started using Telegraph for the global webmentions idea, and while I like it very much, it tries to do a lot of self-pings which I reject, so it displays an error for those. I'd suggest adding a prevent selfpings option
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aaronpk ah interesting
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petermolnar by the way, for that specific case I ended up using HTTP 418, anyone with a more suitable status code?
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aaronpk I can do that
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aaronpk rejecting a webmention? just http 400 bad request is enough
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petermolnar how about "412 Precondition Failed" although that would fit the missing source/target
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aaronpk what's wrong with just 400?
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petermolnar nothing wrong with 400
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aaronpk you're not trying to indicate a transport-level error, this is an application-level error, so using one of the more specific 4xx codes seems like mixing layers
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petermolnar but there are multiple steps where the webmention can fail, and I was thinking to add more meaningful fail codes
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@ChrisAldrich With #indieweb webmentions, @wordpress @automattic @photomatt could easily replace Facebook and Twitter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web (twitter.com/_/status/702900985044160513)
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Loqi [indieweb] "With #indieweb webmentions, @wordpress @automattic @photomatt could easily replace Facebook and Twitter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/with-indieweb-webmentions-wordpress-automattic-photomatt-could-easily-replace-facebook
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aaronpk you could return an error message in the body that explains more about what went wrong
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@zwillingswelten RT @nueww Join us and learn how to use open web technologies to empower users to own their own content and identities. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702897388923568128)
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@nueww Join us and learn how to use open web technologies to empower users to own their own content and identities. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702897293469622273)
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petermolnar I'm doing that already, so I guess you're right
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aaronpk in practice there isn't really a benefit to having the specific error response be machine readable
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petermolnar but back to the original topic, I'd welcome the prevent selfping option
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aaronpk yeah, I will add that
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petermolnar thank you
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petermolnar aaronpk++
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petermolnar also: aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/20/5/global-webmentions, 'Other Mentions' #3 from the top looks funky
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Enabling Global Webmentions with Telegraph and Superfeedr
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aaronpk i've been noticing that happening
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aaronpk it's something about the markup in Known
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aaronpk both the PHP and Ruby parsers end up with the <script> tag contents in the implied name
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rmendes.net%2F2016%2Fbookmarked-from-aaron-parecki-use-telegraph-to-receive-webmentions-indieweb
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aaronpk implied name for h-entry has to be the worst thing about mf2
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kylewm aaronpk++
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aaronpk I get why it's useful for h-card, but it only does bad things for h-entry
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petermolnar the known markup would benefit from a p-name I believe
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aaronpk for sure
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petermolnar you could regex match for linebreaks in the name and substract what's before the first linebreak
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aaronpk probably a simple and un-controversial pull request
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petermolnar not nice, but would solve it
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petermolnar ( a 'meanwhile' solution )
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Loqi [indieweb] "With webmentions, could easily replace Facebook and Twitter" https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/702900985044160513
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aaronpk nothing about the name of that h-entry is useful
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kylewm I believe tantek hypothized something along the lines of, "don't imply p-name if any explicit property is defined"
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aaronpk first line is "Rick Mendes", next line of content is "bookmarked from Aaron Parecki, use Telegraph to receive webmentions #indieweb" and then later "Rick Mendes published this", so what I really want is that second one, and there isn't really a programmatic way to find it
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aaronpk kylewm: oh yeah that sounds familiar. that would solve it
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aaronpk does known support bookmarks btw? if so, it should add the "bookmark-of" property
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kylewm it does, yes
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aaronpk cause if that happened, I wouldn't even bother using the name of that post
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kylewm aaronpk: totally unrelated, but what do you think silopub should do when it gets 'name' and 'content' for a post to syndicate to twitter? right now it just ignores the name
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aaronpk i was wondering about that
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aaronpk this is how I posted my last article on twitter: https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/701130861823991808
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kylewm one option would be to format it like an article POSSE "The Post Title: permalink"
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@aaronpk Enabling Global Webmentions with Telegraph and @Superfeedr https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/20/5/global-webmentions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/701130861823991808)
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aaronpk I didn't know what silo.pub was going to do so I did that one manually
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kylewm wise
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aaronpk you'll have to do the check of whether the name is a subset of the content, and if it is, drop the name
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aaronpk but yeah I think if there is a distinct name, then it should be treated as an article POSSE and formatted as "The Post Title {permalink} {as many tags as will fit}"
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kylewm hashtags is an interesting idea
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aaronpk that's typically the pattern I use for POSSEing articles
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aaronpk the other pattern I use is writing a separate short note with its own unique content, like https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/698751408485462016
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@aaronpk I wrote some words about why I migrated away from Gitlab and Bitbucket to Gogs.io: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/ #indieweb [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/698751408485462016)
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kylewm the idea with silo.pub was it was supposed to be a pretty dumb pipe... not try to do much formatting of your content
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kylewm so another option is just to say "style your post however you want and stick it in the "content" field"
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snarfed kylewm: ooh boy lots of discussion in that vein :P
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aaronpk yeah, except you have to do *something* when the source format doesn't match the target format
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snarfed (shades of https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb )
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Keep Bridgy Publish dumb
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kylewm aaronpk: well someone has to do somethiing, but maybe it's your CMS rather than silo.pub
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah the other way to handle it is to just say "name" is not a supported property on Twitter
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kylewm snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 202 karma
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aaronpk then that pushes the responsibility on me
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snarfed in case it helps, background on how to choose btw name, summary, content, etc in https://brid.gy/about#microformats
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snarfed (and links to issues with even more details)
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kylewm that's how it is now, but then a naive implementation (like my Known plugin) sends name and it's silently ignored
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aaronpk yeah and it also breaks the idea of the generic POSSE via micropub
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kylewm that was never my goal :)
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aaronpk but it's my goal ;)
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aaronpk my syndication destination setup accepts either an indieauth+micropub URL or a webmention URL
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-25-09-21-14.png
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aaronpk so nothing about my syndication system actually knows about what's accepted at the destination
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aaronpk ha I should connect bridgy publish *also*
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kylewm yeah!
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snarfed LOPKSS? lots of posses keeps syndication safe?
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk oops. bridgy just 500'd on my twitter profile page
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snarfed yeah it's been hitting the memory cap more often lately
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snarfed sorry :/
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aaronpk eep
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aaronpk whee so many options https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-25-09-25-58.png
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aaronpk kylewm: we've gotta solve the name/icon problem now :)
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gRegorLove aaronpk, petermolnar: I think the implied 'name' should exclude the script element pending my latest PR https://github.com/gRegorLove/php-mf2/commit/cc3037200d33455bac522c423fb14d81478c1313#diff-e7fb77dd90cffca8242259e1d61ca0b0R373
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aaronpk oh nice
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@jkphl RT @nueww Join us and learn how to use open web technologies to empower users to own their own content and identities. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702914865510350848)
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@gRegorLove Quite pleased to officially release a Webmention plugin for @ProcessWire: https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702916918475300864)
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk post that on IndieNews!
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gRegorLove Oh yeah!
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aaronpk it'll go out in the newsletter that way :)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/25/4/) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/de/nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/
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[shaners] What is a framework?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "framework" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F1
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://gregorlove.com/2016/02/quite-pleased-to-officially-release/
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[shaners] A framework is a collection of reusable software that allows a person to use some feature/functionality in some problem domain without building it from scratch.
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Loqi ok
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@indiewebcamp RT @nueww Join us and learn how to use open web technologies to empower users to own their own content and identities. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702916512361816064)
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kylewm That definition of framework doesn't distinguish it from a library
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[shaners] kylewm: please help with it then?
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gRegorLove What is library?
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kylewm It's difficult :)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "library" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F2
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gRegorLove Speaking of overloaded terms, I like Erin's library page http://erinjorichey.com/library/
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@dbounds Curious if a broad community conversation like this could be had today within the #indieweb using avail protocols. https://medium.com/@dahanese/let-s-talk-about-the-criminal-justice-system-b37d21c47be9#.ks78782be (twitter.com/_/status/702924368456912896)
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk it looks like the main entry point for Medium's "community conversation" is this tag on medium.com which shows all posts matching that tag https://medium.com/tag/criminal-justice-reform
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aaronpk which means essentially they are using an aggregator for this
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voxpelli an indienews that supports webmentioning any "/tag/<something>" url could more or less achieve the same :)
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk which is actually how indienews multi-language support works
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voxpelli yep
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cjk101010 so, my mf2-parser for elixir is in production at https://wwwtech.de/ :)
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singpolyma voxpelli: I've thought of building something like that. too many things I could be working on
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Loqi [Christian Kruse] Feedback (or the lack of)
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voxpelli singpolyma: I recognize the feeling :/
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tantek cjk101010++ congrats!!
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Loqi cjk101010 has 2 karma
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cjk101010 thanks :)
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aaronpk hm, XRay needs a way to tell that a page is actually an h-feed, since it thought that page was actually the first h-entry there
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tantek cjk101010: also, nice clean home page design
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tantek (giving feedback ;) )
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cjk101010 heh, thanks :) although people already said that it is ugly ;)
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tantek what no!
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tantek it is super clean on a desktop browser
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cjk101010 it is responsible as well. should look similiar on a mobile device
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tantek a minor suggestion if you'd like. you could change the text of the "Perma-Link" to the time of the post (since you already have the clusters by date - which is very nice btw)
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Jeena cjk101010++
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tantek the ultra minimal /reply-contexts are also very nice
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 2/15 at 1:39pm: !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Göteborg 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455572385931
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Loqi cjk101010 has 3 karma
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tantek speaking of
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cjk101010 I thought about that, but then I have to show the date again
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singpolyma cjk101010: I've learned that if humans visit your website, you will always get messages saying it's ugly
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aaronpk could show the time there
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tantek cjk101010: *just* the time
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cjk101010 ah
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cjk101010 no date, just the time. that's a very nice idea
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cjk101010 singpolyma: I'd guess so, but this time my wife was the one saying it is ugly *g*
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Jeena hehe
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tantek what is WWWTech
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WWWTech" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F3
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tantek who is wwwtech.de
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petermolnar I was kind of expecting a whois domain record response from Loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek cjk101010: what is the content/blog software you are running on wwwtech.de?
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cjk101010 tantek: self-written, see https://github.com/ckruse/wwwtech.de
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tantek does it have a name?
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tantek what is Phoenix?
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cjk101010 no, I don't think so
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Loqi Phoenix is a web framework written in Elixir, very similar to Ruby on Rails https://indiewebcamp.com/Phoenix
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tantek cjk101010: it is quite nice! you should name it!
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gRegorLove What is Elixir?
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Loqi Elixir is a functional programming language that runs on the Erlang virtual machine https://indiewebcamp.com/Elixir
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gRegorLove What is Ruby on Rails?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Ruby on Rails" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F4
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tantek shaners ^^^ lol :)
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tantek what is ruby?
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Loqi Ruby is a programming language and web server runtime environment used for some IndieWeb projects https://indiewebcamp.com/Ruby
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tantek what is rails?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rails" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F5
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tantek shaners**2 ^^^ :)
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tantek WWWTech is open source web publishing software written in [[Phoenix]]. Github: https://github.com/ckruse/wwwtech.de
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Loqi ok
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cjk101010 :)
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tantek cjk101010: calling it WWWTech until you come up with an official name, and then we can rename/move the wiki page :)
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cjk101010 cool! thanks!
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tantek awww didn't mean to scare away shaners
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tantek kylewm: re: hypothesized, we have been discussing - we should resolve this! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_when_an_explicit_class_is_provided
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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aaronpk seeing that Medium announcement gives me some interesting ideas
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tantek jgarber++ for uploading the DC photo! (first HWC 2016-02-24 photo posted to the wiki!)
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tantek !tell benwerd could you post the HWC 2016-02-24 SF photo to the wiki? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd tantek: was just talking about that
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benwerd will do it now
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tantek thanks!
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tantek aaronpk: any photo from PDX
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aaronpk just of my coffee
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tantek aaronpk: do you know if luxagraf is subscribed to /this-week ?
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tantek figuring he could get prompt updates / links from that ;)
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tantek re: https://twitter.com/luxagraf/status/702876404267020288
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@luxagraf Hey #IndieWeb fans, have a cool project or know of one that you’d like to see get some press? Send me with some links... (twitter.com/_/status/702876404267020288)
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aaronpk good idea!
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@aaronpk @dbounds Definitely! We have everything pretty well in place between Webmention and Microformats! (twitter.com/_/status/702933750938644480)
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tantek !tell KevinMarks I think you have an HTML escaping problem in http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-24.html where you mean "<video>" in clear text, not as a video tag on that page :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha oops
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voxpelli aaronpk: wonder if one could do some kind of hashtag autocomplete for such a site, similar to how one can do @-autocomplete with a nickname cache
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tantek voxpelli: Instagram does this now when you are typing #-tags, it auto-suggests them for you and shows you the # of existing uses of the tag!
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tantek voxpelli: if you can name that as a "feature", we can document existing examples, silo examples, screenshots etc. :)
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voxpelli tantek: yeah, that was what I was thinking – wonder what one would document that as, suggestion?
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aaronpk sounds like "hashtag autocomplete" to me
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club from last night. Always fun to hangout and talk #indieweb." by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/homebrew-website-club-from-last-night-always-fun-to-hangout
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@benwerd Homebrew Website Club from last night. Always fun to hangout and talk #indieweb. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/702935291728830464/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/702935291728830464)
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@benwerd Homebrew Website Club from last night. Always fun to hangout and talk #indieweb. https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/702935312457072640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/702935312457072640)
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tantek voxpelli: go look up what we called it for the people auto-suggest feature
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tantek (I'm not sure offhand)
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tantek it's a form of auto-complete or auto-suggest
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@aaronpk @luxagraf Will definitely send things your way! Also you should sign up for the weekly newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week (twitter.com/_/status/702935520695824384)
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voxpelli what is autosuggest?
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Loqi autosuggest (AKA auto-suggest) is a user-interface feature that provides a list of options while the user is typing, related to what the user has typed, possibly beyond mere (sub)string matches https://indiewebcamp.com/autosuggest
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voxpelli probably that one
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tantek !tell kylewm I'm out of town for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club - can you work with benwerd, kevinmarks to pick a venue update accordingly? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kodfabrik.se uploaded /File:IMG_4857.PNG "Instagram username autosuggest"
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kodfabrik.se uploaded /File:instagram_hashtag_autosuggest.png "Instagram hashtag autosuggest"
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aaronpk wonders if benwerd is in a position to help run/promote a "blogging campaign" like medium's
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voxpelli what is tag aggregation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tag aggregation" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F6
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voxpelli perhaps document the IndieNews style aggregation mechanism as something like that?
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voxpelli tag aggregation is a mechanism to collect posts from many different sites in one central shared taxonomy
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Loqi ok
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benwerd aaronpk: what do you mean by a blogging campaign?
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aaronpk benwerd: did you see Medium's announcment?
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aaronpk https://medium.com/@dahanese/let-s-talk-about-the-criminal-justice-system-b37d21c47be9
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benwerd aaronpk: oh, yes
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aaronpk "We’re kicking off this Medium-wide conversation on Monday, Feb. 29, and it will last for two weeks."
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benwerd We actually were working with Blog Action Day last year but dropped the ball due to funding issues :/
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aaronpk basically they want everybody to write blog posts and tag them with "https://medium.com/tag/criminal-justice-reform"
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aaronpk ooh is there another blog action day coming up?
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benwerd It was last fall, so it'll be this fall I imagine
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aaronpk do you think you have time this year?
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benwerd Not so much time as money - it was a lot of development at our end
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aaronpk oh? what development?
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benwerd The biggest thing that is required - for any kind of blogging campaign - is what Medium does exceptionally well, which is a hub
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aaronpk right
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benwerd You need to be able to seamlessly share your content so that it can be found via a hashtag
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benwerd (or other tag or common metadata)
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aaronpk between XRay and IndieNews i'm a good bit of the way there already
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benwerd And it can't be a conscious effort on behalf of the blogger - needs to _just work_
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gRegorLove What is Blog Action Day?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Blog Action Day" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10F7
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aaronpk I'd give indienews a face lift, make it highlight author info better, and show featured photos if they're in the posts
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aaronpk submitting to indienews right now is "just" sending a webmention, tho it does require the link to have a u-category class on it
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aaronpk if I included the pingback to webmention proxy, then it would "just work" with every blogging software that sent pingbacks
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benwerd A thing that would be very good: a Technorati-style service that actually cycles through _all_ indieweb-compatible posts so we can see and search a stream of all content in the indieweb
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benwerd I know that's a rehash of the early 2000s, but it would be helpful to see the whole community - and not just people who are involved in indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk superfeedr is kind of doing that already
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benwerd yeah, but not in a human friendly way
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aaronpk google?
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aaronpk what is a public timeline?
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Loqi public timeline is a silo/aggregator feature that displays all profile/subscription public posts in a reverse chronological order, popularized by Twitter who dropped it in late 2012 https://indiewebcamp.com/public_timeline
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aaronpk also that ^
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aaronpk but those are very different from what medium is doing here
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aaronpk also I don't think there is actually much value in seeing "all" of everything
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@aaronpk @dbounds Check out http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/submit for an #IndieWeb example of a similar concept (twitter.com/_/status/702942134278557696)
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benwerd aaronpk: once you have all of everything, you can choose to display it in different ways. Aggregating a hashtag for a campaign is one
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benwerd On a completely different note: http://knownbot.com/
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aaronpk whaat is this
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aaronpk "having" all of everything is different than being able to find all of everything tho
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aaronpk with superfeedr, I was able to make posts that mention "indieweb" show up here, which has been fun
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aaronpk there's actually a pretty good list of articles already at track.superfeedr.com/?query=criminal-justice-reform
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aaronpk anyway my main point is that it's a very different feeling to intentionally submit a post somewhere vs having it magically appear somewhere you didn't expect
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aaronpk we can make it very easy to intentionally submit a post to an aggregator
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aaronpk and then build a story/community around that idea the same way Medium is doing
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voxpelli when it comes to tags it might be important to make a difference between tagging that's internal to ones site and tagging that is global such as what hashtagging is in silos
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voxpelli so yeah, what aaronpk said (didn't read the last lines)
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voxpelli if we can find a way to have an indienews website feed some kind of hashtag-cache then the autosuggest benwerd mentioned would be solveable as well
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voxpelli to make a hashtag-cache one would need to be able to parse out some kind of presentation for a tag as well – but not sure how to mark that up
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aaronpk I think the hashtag cache is secondary to making this work though
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voxpelli if it's only a single tag, then yes, if it's a full hashtag-like experience then one would probably need it
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i'm thinking for a specific targeted thing like "Blog Action Day" or the Medium campaign
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voxpelli totally unnecessary then
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cjk101010 tantek: displaying the time is a very good idea. Implemented that, looks good. thanks! :)
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tantek great! that was fast!
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cjk101010 I had to setup a development environment on that machine, would've been faster otherwise ;-)
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aaronpk haha what who registered indieweb.news
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bear @aaronpk *waves*
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aaronpk haha nice
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bear my plan is to make that the site for the auto-generating news project I'm working on - but if it's needed I will point it wherever
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aaronpk sweet
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@fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702955102282391554)
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KevinMarks good discussion of the FVB reacji design process: https://medium.com/facebook-design/reactions-not-everything-in-life-is-likable-5c403de72a3f#.lshq8ixsc
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 37 minutes ago: I think you have an HTML escaping problem in http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-24.html where you mean "<video>" in clear text, not as a video tag on that page :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-25/line/1456427635742
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@rrrrrrrix Next goal is to only twitter though my indieweb site + matrix. (twitter.com/_/status/702960575421100032)
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KevinMarks thanks Tantek, fixed
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@rrrrrrrix @bennyfactor you are literally describing a combination of webmentions and brdigy similar to what i am using for https://t.co/jVKXq1kDur. (twitter.com/_/status/702961037784387585)
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aaronpk haha yes! https://twitter.com/bennyfactor/status/702960814773374976
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@bennyfactor @rrrrrrrix I have this vision of a personal website from which I do all tweets and it saves all conversations (twitter.com/_/status/702960814773374976)
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@indiewebcamp RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702961566656770048)
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rrix aaronpk: :)
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@kevinmarks RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702962137795170304)
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tantek wow: https://twitter.com/CaptainKurtis/status/697694981188931584
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@CaptainKurtis This is 1 reason why @sensiblemn uses @withknown. Now we own canonical version of all social media posts. #indieweb https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/697000901307858944 (twitter.com/_/status/697694981188931584)
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tantek https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/697000901307858944
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@FearDept Facebook Is Throttling Nonprofits and Activists http://valleywag.gawker.com/facebook-is-throttling-nonprofits-and-activists-1569877170 via @vruz #BestPractices (twitter.com/_/status/697000901307858944)
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tantek ^^^ that should go on /Facebook#Criticism or perhaps even /Why
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tantek (see chart in link-preview in that tweet)
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@stephtara RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702963411072712704)
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@indiewebcamp RT @aaronpk You asked, we listened! Get weekly updates from IndieWebCamp delivered to your email or feed reader! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702963926460268544)
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@circa1977 @aaronpk @indiewebcamp 👍🏻 RSS. (twitter.com/_/status/702964290903482370)
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@elpep RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702964444851216388)
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@dbounds @aaronpk I was curious if the #indieweb had evolved to support a dynamic, federated conversation around an topic wo/ a predefined graph. (twitter.com/_/status/702966097553846273)
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@motters RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/702968427904950273)
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tantek.com edited /read (+336) "/* Other Examples */ erinjo's library" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /personal_library (+32) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /book_list (+32) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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wwwtech.de about edited /Phoenix (-2) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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kylewm benwerd: do you think we could host HWC at Matter on 3/23?
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 45 minutes ago: I'm out of town for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club - can you work with benwerd, kevinmarks to pick a venue update accordingly? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-25/line/1456427964966
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@nueww We're meeting for a #IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg for two days of brainstorming, working, teaching, helping. http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702977735602393092)
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snarfed https://coveralls.io/ successfully shamed/gamified me into writing more tests just to turn a yellow coverage badge green
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snarfed "the system works!"
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cjk101010 hehe, in this case for the greater good! ;-)
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kylewm !tell benwerd: do you think we could host HWC at Matter on 3/23?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek snarfed: do we need red/yellow/green badges for IndieMark levels/features displayed by IndieWebify.me?
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snarfed tantek: i'm the wrong person to ask, my feelings on indiemark are mixed at best
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snarfed (better discussed in person than on irc)
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tantek maybe on the 9th :)
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cjk101010 cya tomorrow - gn8
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+224) "/* To Do */ Consider some red/yellow/green badges for IndieMark" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed - again, kudos on Bridgy Publish video support
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tantek worked flawlessly first time last night
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snarfed great! thanks tantek!
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tantek (to three silos!)
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tantek (kind of amazingly fast too)
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tantek doing it once automatically via Bridgy to three destinations felt *faster* than any place I've manually uploaded video to *once*
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snarfed glad to hear it!
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snarfed (speed makes sense, big cos like goog, fb, yahoo, twitter generally have good exchange/pop agreements for their backbones)
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snarfed although perceived UX speed may be the bigger win here
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Loqi [bridgy] Mark J. Reeves replied '@aaronpk @indiewebcamp 👍🏻 RSS.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb (https://twitter.com/circa1977/status/702964290903482370)
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aaronpk http://lucybellwood.tumblr.com/post/139993839336/found-this-in-an-old-sketchbook-too-real-dig
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tantek and that's why you don't read FB newsfeed/homepage
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@jevdemon RT @fakebaldur Anybody who is interested in the Open Web but isn't paying attention to https://indiewebcamp.com/ isn't, actually, paying attention. (twitter.com/_/status/703006046231535616)
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