#indiewebcamp 2016-02-24

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@Weifarer RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 33 (twitter.com/_/status/702279809292963840)
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gRegorLove Thinking about and researching /Flickr export
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gRegorLove Unfortunate sentence from 2009 "Lured away from Flickr by what he describes as stagnant interface development and the convenience of Picasa for his main audience" http://lifehacker.com/5432022/step-by-step-guide-to-getting-thousands-of-pictures-out-of-flickr
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Loqi [Kevin Purdy] Step-by-Step Guide to Getting Thousands of Pictures Out of Flickr
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gRegorLove (since Picasa is closing now)
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singpolyma well, sort of closing. merging with google photos
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[kevinmarks] google likely already have flickr backed up, I bet they could do an 'import from flickr' without you having to download
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KevinMarks odd objection to using an hcard - it will slow js loading https://quitter.no/notice/1112925
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Loqi [<Mikael & Nordfeldth>] <Mikael & Nordfeldth> (mmn)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Feb-2016 22:26:08 CET
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KevinMarks loqi might want to strip newlines
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KevinMarks I wonder if this works better? https://social.umeahackerspace.se/notice/394077
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aaronpk gRegorLove: i've put a lot of work into flickr export already
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aaronpk I'm sure this needs some updates, but it's probably about 90% there right now
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Flickr-Archiver
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gregorlove.com edited /Flickr (+461) "/* Export from */ Using Flickr's Camera Roll" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Sweet, aaronpk. I just used the Camera Roll > Select > Download method ^
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gRegorLove AFAICT it's original sizes
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aaronpk I don't see this option
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aaronpk oh after you select some photos?
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aaronpk but how do you select all of them? and what about ones not in the camera roll?
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aaronpk also I want all my tags and geo information and albums
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gRegorLove I thought everything was in camera roll
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aaronpk i don't know? camera roll is a pretty recent addition to flickr as a concept
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gRegorLove I just clicked and dragged to get everything visible. Not the easiest, but yeah
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gRegorLove I'm pretty sure camera roll is everything, including private
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aaronpk it doesn't give you tags and albums and comments though does it?
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gRegorLove You're right, I hadn't thought about meta information yet.
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gRegorLove No
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gregorlove.com edited /Flickr (+79) "/* Using Flickr's Camera Roll */ clarify photos-only" (view diff)
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aaronpk I still don't see how to select everything
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aaronpk like it would take me forever to scroll through all the pages and click "select all" on each. these go back to 2007
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gRegorLove Click and drag
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aaronpk oh jeez it scrolls when you drag
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gRegorLove It's one long page for me. Only took a couple seconds
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gregorlove.com edited /Flickr (+82) "/* Export from */ {{aaronpk}}'s Flickr Archiver" (view diff)
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aaronpk i got about 1100 photos selected and then everything came to a crawl
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gRegorLove I "only" had 841 :)
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk that went back to april 2015 for me, but i have wayyyy more photos all the other years
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aaronpk but hey if you have less than 1000 photos that's a great way to quickly grab everything!
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gRegorLove I don't have Ruby, else Flickr Archiver looks pretty cool
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aaronpk yeah, i think it was actually the first ruby app i made from scratch
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aaronpk ruby is easy to install though if you're interetsed
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gRegorLove Flickr has "3 letter airport code" as a field in your profile information. Interesting.
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gRegorLove I'm on shared Dreamhost
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aaronpk well if you have only 840 photos and don't use tags/albums extensively, this probably isn't really necessary
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@strangehill RT @stopsatgreen @SaraSoueidan POSSE: Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/702353567537975296)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: since you build bots: http://alistapart.com/article/all-talk-and-no-buttons-the-conversational-ui
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Loqi [Matty Mariansky] All Talk and No Buttons: The Conversational UI
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@klike_fr POSSE - IndieWebCamp http://seenthis.net/index.php?action=seenli&me=9xva (twitter.com/_/status/702385267416686592)
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KevinMarks hm, google pagespeed insights on my site says I should compress the twitter avatars that are injected by webmentions more
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voxpelli KevinMarks: They should probably be sent through an https image-resizer/cacher of some kind eventually :/
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voxpelli I've tried to avoid needing to cache images, but as not all are https it results in mixed content warnings if I don't, so will probably be forced to
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KartikPrabhu same here ^
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KartikPrabhu was considering using Google's image proxy as an intermediate
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: maybe one could create a standalone nickname-cache of some kind and have that handle it all? or maybe there are other images than images one need to proxy/cache?
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voxpelli I would be happy to delegate things to a third party service
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KartikPrabhu "standalone nickname-cache" as in?
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KartikPrabhu a central service?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk might make one if we find a steam-punk name for it! ;)
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@ze_dach POSSE - IndieWebCamp http://seenthis.net/index.php?action=seenli&me=9xva (twitter.com/_/status/702412030679109633)
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yeah, feels like a waste of time for eg us two to make two individual ones :)
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KartikPrabhu i don't know would be a gravatar type replacement
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KartikPrabhu it could be argued that "it is a waste of time for us to make 2 different websites" too
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voxpelli well, within webmention etc there's some more useful dogfeeding of specs etc – not sure there's any use in dogfeeding ones own image proxy thingie to become https-compliant
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: yeah maybe. I haven always been unsure of how much central services are in the spirit of the indieweb including Bridgy
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KartikPrabhu it is a big gray area
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voxpelli +1
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voxpelli my thinking is that they can help people get started before they have had time to set things up all for themselves, so lowering the threshold of starting to selfdogfeeding things
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KartikPrabhu good point
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KartikPrabhu same as indieauth
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[kevinmarks] Google's image munging stuff on appengine is pretty good. Building an avatar image cache on that would make sense
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[kevinmarks] It will resize and cache bitmaps well
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[kevinmarks] I used it for ask.willsomeone.com
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: how would one go about using it?
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voxpelli is it the https://images1-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy one that you're refering to?
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Loqi [mention] Ben Cerveny posted an invite: "invited" https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/688447421193285/1703820906500636/10153080062046584 that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-22 https://webmention.io/notification/J-2NhPrzdVQ855XxfiLm2w
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jeena.net edited /events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club (-15) "/* Where */ Göteborg" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club (+94) "/* Göteborg */" (view diff)
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GWG petermolnar: Have a look at this. https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/34141#comment:27
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@jgarber Homebrew Website Club is tonight! Come on by and tinker on your personal website: - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club - https://www.facebook.com/events/1170003726391809/ (twitter.com/_/status/702501726469890050)
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@Inkwater_Masha #Book Cover #Design: Does the author know better than the designer? https://tugboatdesign.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/book-cover-design-does-the-author-know-better-than-the-designer/?platform=hootsuite #indieauth #author (twitter.com/_/status/702505914113384449)
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@olivermakes RT @jgarber Homebrew Website Club is tonight! Come on by and tinker on your personal website: - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club - https://www.facebook.com/events/1170003726391809/ (twitter.com/_/status/702512282073325569)
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sknebel https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/02/reactions-now-available-globally/ (I hadn't seen details about those before)
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@nueww Gibt es sie wirklich, die Unabhängigkeit und Selbstbestimmung im Netz und wie können wir sie für uns nutzen? http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/702522152067731456)
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe add that FB news to /reacji ?
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: cweiske left you a message on 2/18 at 1:48am: - https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts lists you as supporting private posts. how do readers get private posts/get authed? Do you give out different feed URLs when people are authed on your page? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455788879341
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske: nope, same feeds, just includes private posts as well, they get a webmention but they get no content from the absolute URL unless they are authed
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ben_thatmustbeme getting server to server working for that is something i would like to get worked out at some point
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[kevinmarks] https://backchannel.com/google-is-going-to-speed-up-the-web-is-this-good-a92a6043598b
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kylewm aaronpk: re: the micropub source query stuff, it seems like a big shift ideologically. we can no longer pretend HTML is the API and micropub is just a publish layer on top of that. it's definitely its own protocol with its own in/out serialization format.
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aaronpk HTML is still the API for going between websites
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aaronpk but there isn't really a way to get the real source material from the HTML to use for editing
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kylewm ya i get that. it sort of feels like "reality setting in" on micropub.
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singpolyma petermolnar: did you ever figure out subtome+firefox? (ref: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455279549257)
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singpolyma it works for me on their example site, but not when I add it to my site
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[kevinmarks] How does the html lose information for editing?
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aaronpk because i don't write my articles in HTML
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aaronpk nor my notes
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aaronpk i write "http://example.com" in a note and it ends up as <a href="http://example.com"><span class="proto">http://</span>example.com</a>
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aaronpk or I use markdown-like syntax in articles so that lists are easier to write
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[kevinmarks] And that is expanded server side?
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk so if i want to change the article, i edit the markdown source
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[kevinmarks] Hm. That's tricky then, as posting to a different endpoint would have a different result
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aaronpk if I use the Quill editor, it sends HTML and then everything is HTML the whole time
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[kevinmarks] That was my next question
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aaronpk but I suspect if you do a quick survey, the vast majority of people will say that the HTML that ends up in the published version of the post is different from what was originally authored
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[kevinmarks] Seems like the Markdown to html converter is a different service
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aaronpk it's even true for tantek
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aaronpk autolinking and auto-embedding and such
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aaronpk you also need to be able to edit things that aren't in the HTML, like changing the custom slug of a post
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[kevinmarks] Voxpelli I meant https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/
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[kevinmarks] They have a way to adjust the URL to resize the image dynamically server side, and they cache well
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voxpelli singpolyma: subtome works for me on my site in Firefox, http://voxpelli.com/
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aaronpk scrolled back to last night discussion about avatars
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www.svenknebel.de edited /reacji (+155) "/* Silo Examples */ Facebook" (view diff)
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singpolyma voxpelli: the button on your site does not work for me
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aaronpk all the avatars received by webmention.io are archived on s3 now, so you'll only get https URLs for those mentions now
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voxpelli singpolyma: are you in Firefox private mode or do you have any special settings or addons installed? On what version are you?
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aaronpk I do want to resize the avatars first since some of them are reaaaally big
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voxpelli aaronpk: is that built into webmention.io or as an external service?
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singpolyma not in private mode. I do have uBlock origin, disconnect, and HTTPS everywhere
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aaronpk it's an external service
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singpolyma will try turning all my addons off
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aaronpk not a service you can sign up for, but it's a separate project that you can deploy
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aaronpk you can also disable it for your mentions on webmention.io if you want
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aaronpk here's the source: https://github.com/aaronpk/ca3db
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: I see, so would have to create an app engine project for that then, interesting
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singpolyma voxpelli: same issue with all addons disabled
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voxpelli singpolyma: any errors in the console?
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[kevinmarks] I could make an image cache and resizing service on appengine
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singpolyma voxpelli: yes. same as before. "Error: The operation is insecure."
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singpolyma version 43.0.4
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[kevinmarks] If to look at the profile images on ask.willsomeone.com/kevinmarks, that's what I'm doing
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voxpelli [kevinmarks]: aaronpk: an indie avatar cache that's usable by any indieweb tool based on either of those approaches would be interesting
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[kevinmarks] So I can serve multiple resolutions for high dpi
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aaronpk it wouldn't be much work to make mine also resize images before it stores them
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voxpelli I wonder whether an avatar cache, an image cache or a nickname cache would be the most useful thing
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voxpelli aaronpk: do you store anything else than avatars in your?
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singpolyma voxpelli: upgraded firefox to 44.0.2 and same issue
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singpolyma works on subtome.com example, so I suspect same-origin
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aaronpk that service only stores images
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aaronpk input is an image URL, output is an image URL. if the contents of the input image changes, you'll get a new output URL, and the old one will still work
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aaronpk so it's an archive, not a cache
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[kevinmarks] Like an indieweb gravatar
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voxpelli singpolyma: weird, I can't reproduce it at all :/
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aaronpk not really, since gravatar lets people change the image, and also the input is a different identifier
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singpolyma voxpelli: what version are you on?
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voxpelli singpolyma: 44, also tried a random Firefox Aurora profile I had lying around as well as a private window
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singpolyma what OS?
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[kevinmarks] I was using gravatar as an analogy
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voxpelli aaronpk: [kevinmarks]: thinking whether one maybe would want to serve avatar based on h-card profile in nickname cache rather than included image, as a more "intelligent" and up to date form of caching
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voxpelli singpolyma: OS X
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voxpelli aaronpk: [kevinmarks]: and only have the image parsed from the WebMention as a fallback for when the profile itself don't have a provided image
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[kevinmarks] Right, I was thinking url to avatar service rather than email to avatar service
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voxpelli yeah
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aaronpk that actually sounds like a job for x-ray!
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tantek catches up on logs
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[kevinmarks] Though there is the "profile image at the time of posting" issue
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voxpelli yeah, but looking at eg. twitter and facebook and such – none of them preserves historic avatars
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aaronpk darn, need to figure out this feed issue https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoxpelli.com%2F
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tantek aaronpk: re: "aren't in the HTML, like changing the custom slug of a post" - yes my custom slugs are in the HTML! as part of the asserted permalink (uid) of the post!
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aaronpk ha interesting point
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voxpelli aaronpk: the "h-card in h-feed" case or the "primary h-card is on a rel-me linked page" case?
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aaronpk just in general, how to find the author of an h-feed
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aaronpk it's entirely un-implemented because the authorship discovery algorithm doesn't apply to it
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voxpelli aaronpk: would you just pick the author attribute of any top level h-feed?
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voxpelli it's what h-feed suggest one does: https://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed
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voxpelli form an author perspective
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+16) "Göteborg" (view diff)
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voxpelli when thinking about it, I've actually been toying around with the idea of constructing a relspider-based nickname cache, hmm
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voxpelli to solve the "primary h-card is on a rel-me linked page" case
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tantek suffers the DRY violations
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aaronpk voxpelli: yes the author of the h-feed is the simple case. but as I learned from going through the authorship algorithm for h-entry, there are quite a few other cases to consider
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tantek where is next-hwc?
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tantek when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2016-02-24 at Steampunk Bar https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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tantek heh
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tantek Göteborg wins
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voxpelli aaronpk: should the authorship algorithm be updated to handle h-feed as well?
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tantek (literally true though thanks to timezones)
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aaronpk i would think so
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voxpelli tantek: noticed that there will be an IndieWeb talk in Malmö in March? :)
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tantek I just got my first reacji on FB. WTF
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tantek voxpelli++ YES!!! Congrats on that!
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Loqi voxpelli has 64 karma
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tantek what is reacji
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indiewebcamp.com/reacji
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[kevinmarks] Göteberg is going on now isn't it?
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@kingkool68 RT @jgarber Homebrew Website Club is tonight! Come on by and tinker on your personal website: - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club - https://www.facebook.com/events/1170003726391809/ (twitter.com/_/status/702543009179684864)
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tantek KevinMarks: it should be!
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gRegorLove +1 for an indieweb avatar caching service. Avatar caching is one of the next things I was going to work on so I could switch fully to https
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tantek I thought that was part of Census
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tantek (from p3k)
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gRegorLove What is Census?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Census" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ev
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tantek what is p3k naming conventions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p3k naming conventions" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ew
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tantek uh
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gRegorLove What is p3k?
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Loqi pзk (pronounced "peek") is the name of the software that runs aaronparecki.com and indiewebcat.com http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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tantek p3k naming conventions /p3k_naming_convention
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tantek p3k naming conventions is /p3k_naming_convention
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loqi.me created /p3k_naming_conventions (+34) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-24/line/1456334453713 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek Census is one of the [[p3k_naming_convention#Unused_Names]]
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loqi.me created /Census (+86) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-24/line/1456334443051 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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voxpelli singpolyma: regarding the errors, thinking that one could maybe add indie-config support to Subtome as an additional/alternative backend so that it's still useful, thoughts?
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singpolyma I haven't wrapped my head around indie-config yet
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singpolyma doesn't it also rely on iframe hacks?
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gregorlove.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+4) "/* Unused Names */ link Census" (view diff)
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singpolyma also, most users won't have indie-config, so it probably doesn't help them
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voxpelli singpolyma: not in the same way, it loads a custom protocol handler within an iframe and waits for that protocol handler to (optionally) do a postMessage() back with ones config
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singpolyma right
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voxpelli it's a polyfill for webaction configurations
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voxpelli and subtome is basically the same
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voxpelli but utilizing localstorage rather than a custom protocol handler
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singpolyma if subtome can't do anything useful without localStorage, my preferred fallback would be to just be a link to the feed, since at least in firefox you can sub in a feed reader directly from the feed view, etc, anyway
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aaronpk gRegorLove: what are you looking for in an avatar caching service?
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aaronpk i don't quite have my head around what Census will do exactly, so collecting ideas
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tantek voxpelli: agreed that indieconfig would be a good fallback for subtome
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tantek aaronpk: Census has information about all the people based on what they self-submit(publish) :)
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voxpelli creates an issue for that to document one possible way around the issue
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gRegorLove ca3db (?) sounds pretty ideal, aaronpk. I was just going to set up something similar to that, but only for my own site, hosting the images on my site as well.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: you can map a subdomain to the s3 bucket, or send 302 redirects from a URL on your site to the s3 bucket
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aaronpk that's what i'm doing with webmention.io
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gRegorLove To your s3 bucket, or you mean my own?
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aaronpk yours
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aaronpk you can't use my instance of ca3db :)
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gRegorLove Gotcha, thought that's what you meant.
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gRegorLove I'm not tooo worried about size, so not sure I'd set up s3 for storage
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aaronpk i'm really curious how much data is in my s3 bucket now, especially after the home page mentions launched on bridgy and @t gets a ton of mentions
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gRegorLove But yeah, if I could pass a URL and get a persistent author image URL back, that'd be great
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aaronpk it's a pretty simple thing really, you could probably pretty quickly rewrite that in PHP
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gRegorLove What is ca3db?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ca3db" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ex
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gRegorLove ca3db is https://github.com/aaronpk/ca3db
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loqi.me created /ca3db (+68) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-24/line/1456335033175 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Yeah. I had a rudimentary cache set up in Nucleus, but I migrated to ProcessWire last IWC
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sknebel what's the argument for caching the historic profile picture vs updating it?
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aaronpk sknebel: well the particular problem i was solving was that the URLs that twitter/instagram/facebook use end up 404ing after someone changes their picture
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sknebel aaronpk: but webmention.io returns a new URL if the image changes, right? and doesn't overwrite the old one if it finds a different image
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[kevinmarks] Also, the avatar at the time may be relevant to the conversation
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aaronpk sknebel: there is no concept of user profiles in webmention.io, each mention stores the image URL in the record
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[kevinmarks] (Halloween or Xmas avatars for example)
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[kevinmarks] Or mood based avatars like livejournal
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sknebel hmm
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singpolyma I've worked around the subtome issue on my own site for now by opening a new tab (window.open) instead of using an iframe
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gRegorLove Keeping one image updated for a twitter account would be tricky, given avatar changes and username changes. Would have to use the API to store Twitter user IDs
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voxpelli If salmentioning gets going and lots of people use image caches then there will be lots of duplicates if one doesn't do an intelligent gravatar like cache rather than a simple avatar cache, but thinking about that is probably just plumbing
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aaronpk LOCKSS
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aaronpk nothing wrong with each person having their own copy of avatars of people they interact with
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aaronpk that sounds way better than any sort of centralized service
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voxpelli aaronpk: the same image from 3 different people will have three different URL:s though
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gRegorLove True true. so when aaronpk gets tired of maintaining Census we're not high and dry. :)
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aaronpk that's why ca3db de-dupes on the *content* of the image, not the URL
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voxpelli no need for a centralized storage though, more a matter of trying to show avatar of external h-card before that one of the embedded h-card
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voxpelli aaronpk: how can you dedupe on content if everyone applies their own compression resizing? unless you do something like pHash which sounds pretty overkill :P
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aaronpk yeah it won't work if people resize the images
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kylewm voxpelli: maybe a good reason to use the pattern <a class="u-photo" href="original"><img src="resized"></a>
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aaronpk although you could still get close by comparing a really downsampled version if you wanted
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aaronpk kylewm: that's not a bad idea!
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voxpelli the sizing is actually where this started this morning, when [kevinmarks] got a note about avatars on his site being large :)
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voxpelli my own avatar is 280x280 so when I comment on someones post my avatar will be a bit large unless someone resizes it
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voxpelli but 280x280 is somewhat small compared to what eg. a profile pages want – eg. Slack doesn't allow smaller avatars than 540x520 to be uploaded on their service now I believe
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cweiske ben_thatmustbeme, how does such a private entry in the feed look like for a reader?
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ben_thatmustbeme its not marked as anything different currently
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ben_thatmustbeme just looks like a normal post
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ben_thatmustbeme i never used it much so i never ended up iterating on any display to inform of privacy
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally you should say who is able to read it in some MF
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voxpelli what private entries are you talking about? interesting subject
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sknebel what is identengine?
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Loqi identengine is open source and software to discover and construct user-consolidated-identities from homepages, social silo profiles, based on following the rel-me microformat https://indiewebcamp.com/identengine
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aaronpk wow sorry abotu that
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@franckpaul @elpep tiens, au fait, puisque t’es dans les parages, t’as pas un PR pour moi, genre qui ferait des webmentions ? :-D @dotclear (twitter.com/_/status/702555456405831680)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc https://webmention.io/notification/6avbr2OQKhm6gdm7PMFfpg
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cweiske voxpelli, https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts
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cweiske I've thought about private posts a bit and found some issues that are unsolved yet: https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts#Unsolved_issues
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voxpelli cweiske: I think the public page upgrading approach is interesting: https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts#Public_Page_Upgrading
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cweiske suppose the reader discovers it could get more info by "upgrading" and passing auth information
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cweiske how would the reader get indieauthed?
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voxpelli through the same way that a micropub client gets indieauthed I assume
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voxpelli same or similar
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aaronpk i had some thoughts on how a token endpoint can be involved in getting a reader to authenticate
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aaronpk can't remember where i wrote it up
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KevinMarks known has 'private' and 'members only' posts
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voxpelli aaronpk: when commetning on an issue in the wiki, how do I add my username + date through that wiki-shortcut-thing? I seems to have forgotten
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aaronpk ~~~~
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voxpelli what is indieweb-messaging?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb_messaging
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aaronpk KevinMarks: that's only within the Known instance though, right?
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voxpelli aaronpk: I think you posted it on that wiki page, right?
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aaronpk oh yeah https://indiewebcamp.com/private-webmention
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aaronpk wow that was more of a writeup than i thought
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KevinMarks slight problem with known private posts: the slug http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/are-you-a-member-of-my-gangthis-is-for-you
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Loqi This content has been removed
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cweiske "gone"?
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aaronpk that seems like the wrong response
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cweiske known doesn't have indieauth login?
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calumryan No Brighton Homebrew tonight unfortunately it seems – adactio has cancelled but hopefully back in 2 weeks. Following responses from my IW talk last month there’s possibly some interest in running a London Homebrew
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KevinMarks yes, should be 401 not 401
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cweiske voxpelli, how does PuSH work when micropub clients do auth upgrading?
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cweiske the hub will not do upgrading
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voxpelli cweiske: the wiki note on public page upgrading suggests returning a unique private rel-self within the upgraded feed and PuSH clients will then use that url when subscribing
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voxpelli that way the access token will more or less become embedded in the URL sent to the hub
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cweiske hm
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cweiske ok
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cweiske can access tokens expire?
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aaronpk that's up to the site that issues the access token
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aaronpk PuSH subscriptions expire often, which is a great chance to get a new access token
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cweiske does tokens given out by indieauth.com expire?
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cweiske s/does/do/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: do tokens given out by indieauth.com expire?
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aaronpk those aren't token, they are verification codes, and they only last about 60 seconds
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voxpelli there's a token endpoint on token.indieauth.com one can use to exchange it for a token though: https://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token
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voxpelli and that token lives forever I believe?
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voxpelli at least none of mine has expired yet
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aaronpk oh yeah did you mean tokens.indieauth.com? those don't expire
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voxpelli oh dear, just found http://indiewebcamp.com/private-messaging-brainstorming as well
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aaronpk whoa where did that come from
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voxpelli I wonder what happened between that and the original webmention style suggestion
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voxpelli I think the one on the brainstorming page is newer
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aaronpk the private webmention one goes back to 2013
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voxpelli the brainstorming one is from last august
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aaronpk i don't remember why
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aaronpk checks IRC logs from that day
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gRegorLove I thought you were prototyping an app
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voxpelli http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-11/line/1439314048477
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Loqi [aaronpk] voxpelli: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/private-message-20150811-102719.png
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aaronpk oh, fkooman started it
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voxpelli aaronpk: wonder if the alternative proposal should perhaps also be highlighted higher on the private webmention page so there's one page to find it all on?
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aaronpk the private messaging page really isn't about webmention at all though
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voxpelli considering also that eg. "indieweb messaging" points to that one
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aaronpk oh crazy, the realtime instagram ping just started working for me again
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Loqi [mention] Eman Niem wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles https://webmention.io/notification/u8fFD7fdbbHlNiNB5twKDA
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Loqi [mention] Siri Oaklander posted a rsvp-maybe: "might attend." https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/688447421193285/1703820906500636/10153981455868685 that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-24 https://webmention.io/notification/GzmI2RSclKNgWZjJ4fJwvw
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snarfed dat missing u-url tho
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@dougmckown How Instant Articles helps the open web http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/02/24/1054.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702597568266637312)
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snarfed instagram++
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snarfed instagram--
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Loqi instagram has 2 karma
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Loqi instagram has 1 karma
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aaronpk what missing url?
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snarfed the rsvp, brid-gy.appspot.com
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snarfed minor!
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aaronpk ah
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snarfed interesting discussion in bridgy feature request to backfeed new facebook reactions: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/626
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aaronpk what is reacji?
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indiewebcamp.com/reacji
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/reacji#How_to_markup
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme already receives them https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/8/2/
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] emoji? 💩
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aaronpk haha thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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snarfed yup, i mentioned the same thing :P
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snarfed mostly makes sense, except it's a little quirky to special case the thumbs-up one as a like but send the rest as reacji
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snarfed probably fine though
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aaronpk yeah i guess, but it's reasonable since facebook is also special-casing it
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snarfed ah. they are? i don't really know any details yet
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aaronpk prioritizing it in the UI anyway
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snarfed ok
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aaronpk the button is still called "like" but if you hover over it the menu pops up https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-24-13-12-26.png
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aaronpk bumps reacji handling up in his priority queue in anticipation of bridgy sending reacji from facebook
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snarfed oh god don't do that
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aaronpk but pleeeeease
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aaronpk :)
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snarfed well
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snarfed maybe
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snarfed if you're good
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aaronpk haha
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snarfed and also if FB exposes it :P
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aaronpk they must
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snarfed nope
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snarfed plenty of their features aren't in the API
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aaronpk bah
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snarfed also shades of https://twittercommunity.com/t/poll-support-for-rest-api/54775/32
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aaronpk oh that kind of poll
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aaronpk that took me a while
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snarfed heh
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aaronpk oh funny, if there are no "likes", then the button turns into the reacji that was posted https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-24-13-42-22.png
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aaronpk wait wtf: "singular statuses API is deprecated for versions v2.4 and higher"
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aaronpk you can't get posts out of the api anymore?
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snarfed yup very possible
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/496
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snarfed facebook is the best
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aaronpk that's going to kind of break everything isn't it?
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snarfed very possible
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snarfed there's a decent chance it just needs the USERID_POSTID format, which occasionally 400s or 404s today (like what kylewm saw in that issue) but mostly works
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singpolyma time to fire up the scrapers
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snarfed otherwise, well, we have the v2.2 api until july 2017 :P
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aaronpk 1 year 4 months until Facebook API v2.2 is deprecated and we've potentially lost all hope of getting things out of the API
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 6/24 1:51pm (#5803)
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aaronpk close
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snarfed heh. we probably are switching bridgy instagram to scraping (https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603), why not FB too
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aaronpk :sigh:
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gRegorLove facebook gonna facebook
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aaronpk bret: you gonna be able to make it to HWC tonight?
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bret ill try. need to check in with my wife first
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petermolnar I kind of hope that by 2017 July nobody's going to post to FB anything that worths scraping ;)
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snarfed no way
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snarfed maybe by 2027
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petermolnar hope, one can hope
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[jgarber] HWC DC’s gonna be a bit slim on attendance tonight, courtesy this little number: https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/702623740471803905
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@capitalweather DC metro: Intense storms inbound NOW. Safest place indoors. [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/702623740471803905)
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@benwerd Is web design work drying up? http://www.sazzy.co.uk/the-elephant-in-the-room/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/702627447305433088)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Is web design work drying up? http://www.sazzy.co.uk/the-elephant-in-the-room/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/is-web-design-work-drying-up-the-elephant-in-the-room-indieweb
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@georgkaser Great list of #selfhosted free web applications! #indieweb https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted (twitter.com/_/status/702637631302144001)
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snarfed huh http://p3k.org/
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@chim0 Alright. I think I've got my #IndieAuth 'provider' setup and working. Logged in to #gnusocial and #mediagoblin via OpenID through it. (twitter.com/_/status/702640378323857408)
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snarfed https://en.blog.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/amp-for-wordpress-dot-com/
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aaronpk huh, it's someone from austria
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aaronpk did google just trick everyone into writing simpler HTML pages without all the ads and javascript crap?
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[shaners] That’d be great, huh?
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aaronpk i don't get it. I search "wordpress amp" on my phone and I get the little result cards, but when I click one, it just takes me to the regular site which loads slow