#indiewebcamp 2016-02-28

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@miklb I think I've finally nailed getting webmention working with Jekyll (https://miklb.com/finally-webmentons-with-jekyll-part-duex) (twitter.com/_/status/703740562600407040)
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miklb_ hmm.
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miklb_ guess I need to cache those things now that its all working
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mblaney voxpelli: I lost that post about a follow webaction when my server crashed last year... had to restore from a backup and that was the only post I missed :-(
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miklb_ or I need to figure out how to use Telegraph…
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@malcolmblaney @d0gada it's not missing from my site: https://unicyclic.com/mal/index there was some discussion of this at http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config (twitter.com/_/status/703743332309082112)
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@ChrisAldrich Another reason to join the #indieweb by @xeni: A copyright troll took down one of our favorite Tumblrs http://boingboing.net/2016/02/26/a-copyright-troll.html (twitter.com/_/status/703756128014856196)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Another reason to join the #indieweb by @xeni: A copyright troll took down one of our favorite Tumblrs http://boingboing.net/2016/02/26/a-copyright-troll.html" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/another-reason-to-join-the-indieweb-by-xeni-a-copyright
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aaronpk just had an interesting idea for jf2, to make handling string vs object types like in-reply-to easier: https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/6
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme kylewm tantek and any others, would like input ^^
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nelson I am dumb. I'm trying to find out how to get the Android Twitter to recognize a special keystroke and post the tweet.
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nelson WHY??
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nelson Instead, I should look for an open source application that will post to Twitter and Facebook, and whatever else, when it sees the special keystroke.
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nelson Much simpler than being Twitter's bitch and begging for help.
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb @georgkaser From an infection standpoint if @wordpress put webmentions in core, they'd automatically win. I love @withknown more than the next 10 guys, and" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-georgkaser-from-an-infection-standpoint-if-wordpress-put-webmentions
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Loqi [indieweb] "@georgkaser #indieweb From an infection standpoint if @wordpress put webmentions in core, they'd automatically win. I love @withknown more than the next 10 guys, and" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/georgkaser-indieweb-from-an-infection-standpoint-if-wordpress-put-webmentions
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Loqi [indieweb] "Breaking Out of the Silo" https://miklb.com/miklb.com/breaking-out-of-the-silo
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Loqi [indieweb] "Focused Blogs" https://miklb.com/miklb.com/focused-blogs
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Loqi [bridgy] Malcolm Blaney replied '@d0gada it's not missing from my site: unicyclic.com/mal there was some discussi...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/malcolmblaney/status/703743332309082112)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@georgkaser #indieweb From an infection standpoint if @wordpress put webmentions in core, they'd automatically win. I love @withknown more than the next 10 guys, and" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/georgkaser-indieweb-from-an-infection-standpoint-if-wordpress-put-webmentions-1
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KevinMarks nelson: noterlive will post to twitter on hitting return noterlive.com
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KevinMarks it puts the hashtag and cited speaker in, but you could tweak it
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Loqi [indieweb] "@georgkaser #indieweb From an infection standpoint if @wordpress put webmentions in core, they'd automatically win. I love @withknown more than the next 10 guys, and" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/georgkaser-indieweb-from-an-infection-standpoint-if-wordpress-put-webmentions-2
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nelson KevinMarks: sounds like just the ticket for use with my chording keyboard.
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@ChrisAldrich @georgkaser #indieweb From an infection standpoint if @wordpress put webmentions in core, they'd automatically win. http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/georgkaser-indieweb-from-an-infection-standpoint-if-wordpress-put-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/703765558206967808)
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miklb_ KevinMarks: that seems like a parked domain
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nelson http://www.noterlive.com/
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Loqi 7:23 PM - 23 Apr 2015
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nelson www.noterlive.com is not the same as noterlive.com
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miklb_ nelson: thanks. probably coud stand a redirect
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snarfed nelson: you may be interested in https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Easy IndieWeb interactions on Android
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nelson snarfed: Thanks, I'll look at it.
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tantek.com created /2016/MIT/Planning (+1851) "stub based on /2016/NYC/Planning, plus reach out to beyondcomments folks" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme, rhiaro, sandro please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning - hopefully it's helpful to get some details nailed down before the camp!
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KevinMarks oh, I thought there was a redirect
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[kevinmarks] I get a 301 when I curl noterlive.com
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[kevinmarks] Did that not work for you?
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Loqi [indieweb] "1 – Known: Publish on your own site, share everywhere" by vincent_s https://github.com/idno/Known
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@sonyaellenmann POSSE [1] is nothing new, but it's pretty irritating to do manually. [1] https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/703849973448749056)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Finally upgraded to @WithKnown 0.9.1 "Derbyshire" release https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/finally-upgraded-to-withknown-091-derbyshire-release-opensource-indieweb
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@ChrisAldrich Finally upgraded to @WithKnown 0.9.1 "Derbyshire" release https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/703871684349022208)
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk what is Loqi looking for in superfeedr to mention the post here, URL, hashtag-like plain text or something else?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@alan_zimm RT @ChrisAldrich Another reason to join the #indieweb by @xeni: A copyright troll took down one of our favorite Tumblrs http://boingboing.net/2016/02/26/a-copyright-troll.html (twitter.com/_/status/703898054987005953)
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@alan_zimm RT @ChrisAldrich Finally upgraded to @WithKnown 0.9.1 "Derbyshire" release https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/703904378672062464)
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@RikMende RT @tinokremer New plugin for @withknown I'm building: Journal content type https://tinokremer.nl/2016/journal-for-known-is-being-built #indieweb #known (twitter.com/_/status/703926641064615937)
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@RikMende RT @jgmac1106 I also feel we have an obligation to move learning beyond silos and move students on to the open web. Empowers #edtechchat #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/703926970497814528)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Tumblr (+160) "/* DMCA takedowns without merit */" (view diff)
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@jkphl Some visualization ideas for my @wke #indieweb talk https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/703948681926594560/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/703948681926594560)
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[aaronpk] Morning
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Loqi [aaronpk]: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 19 minutes ago: what is Loqi looking for in superfeedr to mention the post here, URL, hashtag-like plain text or something else? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-28/line/1456656136888
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[aaronpk] Just the string "IndieWeb"
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petermolnar thanks
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tantek interesting post on privacy as tactics more than technology: http://sonyaellenmann.com/2016/01/obscurity-is-the-best-strategy-for-privacy.html (from the person that referenced POSSE in a tweet just before midnight last night.
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Loqi [Sonya Mann] Obscurity Is The Best Strategy For Privacy
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tantek https://twitter.com/sonyaellenmann/status/703848748128956416
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@sonyaellenmann Now cross-posting Exolymph dispatches to: 1) TinyLetter 2) WordPress (main website) 3) Medium 4) Facebook Notes Ugh. So much re-formatting. (twitter.com/_/status/703848748128956416)
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tantek another: http://exolymph.com/2016/02/24/cybersecurity-tradeoffs-risks/ (on privacy)
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@pramodpandey05 RT @ChrisAldrich With #indieweb webmentions, @wordpress @automattic @photomatt could easily replace Facebook and Twitter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web (twitter.com/_/status/703989583298502656)
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tantek.com edited /privacy (+712) "Articles about privacy by Sonya Ellen Mann, POSSEr" (view diff)
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aaronpk alright, it's done: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2F2015.aaronparecki.com%2Freplies%2F2015%2F10%2F07%2F1%2Famp
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: what do you think about that method for returning nested objects in jf2?
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@VSChawathe https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AUserLogin&returnto=https (twitter.com/_/status/703991867520626688)
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tantek heh what
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aaronpk hopefully that was about that tweet and not about my json
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tantek :)
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tantek is there a way to pretty-print that JSON?
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aaronpk oh yeah i should make a query string param for that. i always forget not everyone has a json pretty-print browser extension installed
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tantek lol. yeah, "not everyone"
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tantek maybe that should be in Firefox devtools
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aaronpk browsers should just start doing that by default
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tantek jinx
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aaronpk i mean if you load a JSON document in the browser when would you *not* want to see it pretty-printed
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tantek copy/paste?
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aaronpk i guess? maybe make "view source" show the raw JSON?
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tantek yeah
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petermolnar wget -O- -q ${url} | json_pp
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aaronpk k
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aaronpk https://xray.p3k.io/parse?pretty=true&url=http%3A%2F%2F2015.aaronparecki.com%2Freplies%2F2015%2F10%2F07%2F1%2Famp
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aaronpk much better
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tantek aaronpk - feature request filed: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1251949
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aaronpk awesome
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tantek note the examples provided :)
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aaronpk nicely done haha
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Loqi haha
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aaronpk now adding HTML sanitization to XRay whee
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tantek heh
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aaronpk I'm actually trying to make it remove all non-mf2 classes from any class attribuets
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aaronpk we'll see how that goes
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tantek interesting!
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aaronpk OMG IT WORKED
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aaronpk hopefully /^([hpue]|dt)-.+/ is a good regex to match mf2 classes
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tantek haha wow
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tantek smallest parser ever?
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aaronpk well that's buried in the depths of this htmlpurifier library now
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petermolnar I was thinking about a reverse-subscribe method for a reader: a micropub-like receiver on site A ( my site ), that can receive webmentions; site B has indieauth set up, and for authenticated handles lets them add a single endpoint for the same base url that will get a webmention from every update/new post
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petermolnar that could become an issue when there are tonnes of subscribers, but it could remove the need of 3rd party services
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petermolnar any comments, could this be a usable thing or would it just be a pubsub reinvention on a less fast method?
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tantek petermolnar: I'm not sure what problem / use-case you're trying to solve. What's the user's goal in this example?
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petermolnar subscribe/follow a site ( or a part of a site )
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petermolnar preferably without 3rd party
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tantek Twitter style follow?
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petermolnar yes
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tantek if you can rephrase it starting with user actions and then in nested explanation the server bits, that would be worth adding to /follow#Brainstorming
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petermolnar ok, I'll add it there
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petermolnar.eu edited /follow (+580) "/* Follow notifications */" (view diff)
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petermolnar tantek ^^^
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tantek webmention doesn't need any kind of "type" param because all that information is expected to be at the source
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tantek that's the key part of webmention - it's not abstract like source has something to do with target, it's concrete, source *linked* to target, and for the rest of the information, go get source
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tantek thus we have "follow" posts to indicate with a webmention when someone has followed someone else
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petermolnar true
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petermolnar so you'd suggest to have an alternate addition, eg, a h-follow on the url that's used as source in the webmention
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petermolnar s/alternate/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: so you'd suggest to have an  addition, eg, a h-follow on the url that's used as source in the webmention
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tantek or rather, I prefer to have it make sense as a user-level post first, and figure out the markup second
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petermolnar what is a user-level post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "user-level post" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10FL
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tantek user-level post is /post
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loqi.me created /user-level_post (+17) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-28/line/1456688571148 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek that's the point
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petermolnar I think we're misunderstanding eachother
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petermolnar say there's example.com/tag/xyz
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petermolnar someone goes through the process of indieauthing there, pressing a "follow" or a "subscribe" button
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tantek the point is not to ask "how can I use webmention to solve this problem" the point is to ask how can I solve this problem with user-actions, and then what posts/protocols/formats could/would work to solve those user actions?
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petermolnar I wasn't trying to use webmentions for the sake of webmentions
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tantek by saying "goes through the process of indieauthing there" you're already taking a leap into protocols that are not user-centric
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petermolnar but because they are there already
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tantek the user wants to follow, not indieauth
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petermolnar there is no one magic button solution for this
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tantek so there has to be a step-by-step explanation for *why* the user needs to do something they didn't think they needed to do
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tantek for example, on Twitter, you don't even see a "Follow" button unless you are already logged in
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tantek I think there is a prompt for logged-out views that says something like "sign-up or login to follow ..."
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petermolnar that's a silo which you're logged in to; when I visit a random website I honestly would prefer that it doesn't know me automatically
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petermolnar this approach is more of a replacement for newsletter-kind of notications
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petermolnar not for the pull-parse-repeat subscriptions
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tantek it doesn't have to know you automatically, but your browser could - that's how indie-config works!
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tantek my point is that Twitter's message "sign-up or login to follow ..." is an explanation for *why* you should sign-up or login even if you just want to follow
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tantek and that's the key to good UX for this kind of interaction
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tantek tell the user what they need to do to get to what they want
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tantek instead of surprising them with something they didn't think they needed
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voxpelli tantek++, trying to phrase things in such a way can often make one find entire noew and sometimes more elegant solutions to a use case
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petermolnar I'm not going to say that's just wording something, because I know it's important, but maybe not the very first step before any working demo for us, nerds; my question is that would anyone be interested in testing this out, does anyone believe this should be a thing to offer for visitors?
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voxpelli petermolnar: very rarely will someone indieauth into a subscribeable site imho – indieauth is something you do to known tools, indie-config and such is what you do to unknown third-parties
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voxpelli I also fail to see why folling an h-feed by itself and upgrade it to realtime with pubsubhubbub as a progressive enhancement isn't technically enough for a subscribe/follow use case
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voxpelli s/folling/following/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: I also fail to see why following an h-feed by itself and upgrade it to realtime with pubsubhubbub as a progressive enhancement isn't technically enough for a subscribe/follow use case
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voxpelli the way I see it we need more readers that experiment with current tech so we can learn more about the limitations and possibilities it has, before any new tech gets involved
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voxpelli indie readers are probably the least worked out area currently of the pieces central to an indieweb experience
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petermolnar ok, I'll rephrase it: me, as petermolnar.eu gets a visitor; the visitor wants to follow (parts of) the site so there is a "follow"(ish) button
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petermolnar now the actual follow, in my opinion, can happen in two ways:
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petermolnar either me, as the site, pushes somehow - email, webmention, pubsub ping, etc.
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tantek voxpelli: agreed on all points. especially, I'd rather see innovation / iteration on *integrated* indieweb reading, as that's where the silos still have a VERY big advantage.
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petermolnar or a reader pulls and parses
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tantek I'd rather not spend time developing more tech/interactions for *separate* readers. That's the old model and by sticking with that we will never get to silo levels of good UX
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petermolnar but for me to push, I need a list of places to push to
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petermolnar right now, that's superfeedr
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tantek pushing it usually too much work, hence the hub
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petermolnar and what I'm trying to solve is to register things to push to
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tantek (superfeedr or other PuSH hub)
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tantek petermolnar: that problem has already been solved by PuSH
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tantek you'd have to come up with a compelling reason that an alternative is needed
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petermolnar superfeedr is 3rd party and you need to pay for it
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tantek petermolnar: no. PuSH is an open protocol and there are several hubs!
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petermolnar right; how do you where to push to?
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petermolnar how do you know about the hubs?
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tantek e.g. aaronpk built his own! and it's free! as did cweiske!
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tantek what is PuSH?
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voxpelli petermolnar: PuSH is a fully open way of defining how to subscribe to push notifications of when a resource updates
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Loqi PubSubHubbub (PuSH) is a notification-based protocol for publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indiewebcamp.com/PuSH
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petermolnar how can visitor X tell you that they have their own PuSH and they'd like your site to PuSH there as well?
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tantek petermolnar: how do you know about the hubs? here: https://indiewebcamp.com/PuSH#Hubs
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voxpelli and having a separate hub is fully optional, just like a webmention endpoint can be part of ones site or separate a PuSH "hub" can be part of ones site or separate
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tantek PuSH uses link rel discovery just like webmention
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petermolnar I think I'm not expressing myself well
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petermolnar I'll summarize this and come back with it
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tantek petermolnar: this is why I keep asking for the user-centric set of steps
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tantek without protocol/format details
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petermolnar the /indie-config "Indieweb Examples" seem to be a bit outdated
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petermolnar mostly because they don't seem to work or lead to 404s
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voxpelli mine works?
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voxpelli but kylewm's doesn't
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voxpelli Malmcolm's should work, but can be found here: https://unicyclic.com/mal/
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petermolnar then I'm doing something wrong
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voxpelli petermolnar: did you register a protocolhandler?
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petermolnar yes
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voxpelli what happens then?
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voxpelli petermolnar: my site has a somewhat aggressive timeout on the indie-config loading
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voxpelli so if the config doesn't load quickly, then it will assume that there is no config and load the fallback
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petermolnar that should not be a problem
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petermolnar should I see the load of my indie-config in firebug/devtools on the networking tab?
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voxpelli yep, it loads an iframe
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voxpelli so should be seen there
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar wait
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petermolnar ok Firefox was set to 'always ask' for web+action content; set to the registered petemolnar.eu, but no change
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voxpelli petermolnar: if you try barnaby's then that one works for replies
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voxpelli maybe my timeout is too aggressive right now so your site never gets a chance to actually load
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voxpelli checked, the timeout is 3 seconds so that should be plenty of time
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petermolnar agreed, it's something on my side
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voxpelli petermolnar: if you set up the config loader script on a site of your own you can test things out more thoroughly I guess
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tantek petermolnar++ thanks for trying indie-config and figuring it out
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voxpelli this script: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/js/indieconfig.js
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petermolnar thanks voxpelli, I'm following your site's setup, no luck yet, something seems to be off
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petermolnar oh ffs... paranoid Firefox is paranoid
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petermolnar what is PEBCAK?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PEBCAK" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10FM
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petermolnar PEBCAK is an acronym for "Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.", a reference to user error.
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loqi.me created /PEBCAK (+124) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-28/line/1456692707072 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar http://54.86.121.4/recommend/getSummary.html - "Pass a URL, get it summarized..."
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miklb voxpelli: curious if you have a timeline for writing up micropub use with Jekyll. I'm a little lost looking at your libraries on GitHub
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voxpelli miklb: my timeline is to write more about those things asap, but I'm currently juggling two large freelance jobs, so time is tight :/
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miklb voxpelli: completely understand. Just moved my Jekyll blogt to my own VPS so looking at options to expand indieweb
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miklb s/blogt/blog/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: voxpelli: completely understand. Just moved my Jekyll blog to my own VPS so looking at options to expand indieweb
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voxpelli Will have some more time on my hands now in March, so hopefully sometime then
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voxpelli miklb: feel free to open questions as GitHub issues or such in the meanwhile :)
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miklb heh, not even sure where to start :-D
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miklb but will do
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voxpelli I really should get the glue project public as well then :)
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snarfed hey kylewm any idea what's up with your synd links here? https://kylewm.com/2016/02/wheres-owldo
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snarfed just curious
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] Where's Owldo?
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kylewm snarfed: like, why are there two? folks have been changing the micropub code, and i haven't caught up yet
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: do you mind if I share https://kylewm.com/2016/02/to-known-dev-the-case-against-activitystreamspost with the W3C Social Web WG as implementer experience in attempting to initially go with an Activity Streams model and the current evaluation of that? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-27/line/1456612757904
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snarfed kylewm: ah ok
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kylewm !tell tantek of course you're welcome to share my post, but i don't believe it has much bearing on ActivityStreams in general, more about internal bits of the Known codebase
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk I think that's the point :)
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aaronpk hmm, should <p> be an allowed tag for displaying comments?
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KevinMarks depends how tall you want them to possibly be
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miklb aaronpk: I believe so. I think in HTML5 comments are articles inside the main article, so a <p> would be appropriate
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aaronpk i'm not certain what to do with them for XRay
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KevinMarks let them through, you can always style them out again
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aaronpk also something about petermolnar's site is making his author h-card not show up https://petermolnar.eu/o37tvb/
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Loqi RE: dogada.org/e/118ZupYo13916
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aaronpk newlines lol
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petermolnar aaronpk no h-card on my site at all?
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aaronpk it's there in the footer
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aaronpk ah the entry is either missing an author property with your URL, or needs rel=author on the h-card
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aaronpk if you have rel=author somewhere with the same URL that's the URL of the h-card in the footer then the authorship algorithm will find that footer h-card as the author of the post
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petermolnar eh, I messed up, I know what's wrong
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petermolnar I'll fix it
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aaronpk the new HTML sanitizing is working great tho :)
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petermolnar I decided not to add author in cases where the content is not mine ( eg. quote, bookmark, etc )
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petermolnar but forgot about reply
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petermolnar where I am the actual author
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aaronpk hmm. but you're still the author of the bookmark post
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petermolnar that is true, and the current implementation is not carved in stone
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petermolnar that post you've linked is fixed
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aaronpk awesome, i see it now
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aaronpk hm, something the authorship algorithm might benefit from is "upgrading" the author info if there is a more complete h-card elsewhere on the page with a matching URL
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aaronpk for example there is no photo on your small author h-card in the entry, but there is one in the footer
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aaronpk i should be able to deal with that when parsing the page
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Loqi +1
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kylewm aaronpk: re "I think that's the point" - can you explain? (just curious)
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aaronpk "implementer experience" is shorthand for the idea of seeing how a spec actually works in the wild with people who are trying to accomplish a goal that isn't the spec itself
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aaronpk so seeing how the design of the activitystreams spec has real effects on the code is useful feedback
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KevinMarks that's better than the explicit reference thing we used to suggest certainly
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KevinMarks and should work for the h-feed case too
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aaronpk oh boy, what's going on with tantek's newlines here http://tantek.com/2013/351/t1/no-gmail-event-google-calendar-sucks-identity
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Click "No" in a Gmail event:"Google Calendar invitations cannot be forwarded via email."No, gCal sucks at identity.
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aaronpk oh this is the php bug that i think gregor just fixed
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KevinMarks here's a feed with an author hcard at the feed level, and just text at the entry level: http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radiolab.org%2Ffeeds%2Fpodcast%2F&raw=on
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aaronpk dealing with authors with no URLs is going to be a whole different beast
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KartikPrabhu if no author URL is found use the info already availabel no?
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aaronpk i dunno i haven't even got to feeds yet, they have different rules
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aaronpk well this is interesting
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aaronpk if the e-content has an HTML entity such as &amp; then should the plaintext version of that content unescape it?
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tantek yes of course, the e-content is parsed as HTML, which includes parsing both <p> and &amp;
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Loqi tantek: kylewm left you a message 40 minutes ago: of course you're welcome to share my post, but i don't believe it has much bearing on ActivityStreams in general, more about internal bits of the Known codebase http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-28/line/1456700276200
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tantek kylewm: internal bits of the Known codebase which got guided by AS-like thinking/design to start with, and said thinking/design led to the complexities/inefficiencies which you are fixing
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tantek aaronpk: parsing &amp; is no different than parsing <p> from the perspective of an HTML parser
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tantek they
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tantek are both markup
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aaronpk oh i think i see what i did wrong
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aaronpk the mf2 parser is already doing that properly
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tantek I should hope so!
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aaronpk but then i was using the html value and converting it to plaintext myself, but i should be using the plaintext version from the parser
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Loqi yea
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KartikPrabhu yeah I was going to say that
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aaronpk except that right now the mf2 parser includes the contents of <script> tags in the plaintext version which is why i switched this this morning
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tantek right! that's *precisely* why mf2 json has both e-content and the 'value'
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aaronpk gregor's PR should fix the handling of <script> and <style> tags though https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/82
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tantek we have an mf2 parser issue on that right?
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aaronpk yes and a fix now too
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tantek did we resolve the issue? did it get incorporated into the spec? I can't remember
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aaronpk i don't remember
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aaronpk is there a valid list of characters that can be used as an mf2 property?
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tantek do you mean class name?
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aaronpk is it [a-z0-9\-]
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aaronpk yes the class name that ends up being an mf2 property
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tantek I've based mf class names on CSS property naming conventions
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aaronpk trying to decide whether to either exclude uppercase characters according to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#ignore_u-camelCase_properties or only allow a-z0-9
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tantek which is even more restrictive than CSS property name syntax
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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tantek so far we've avoided numbers and I think I'd like to continue doing so for the 1 l problem
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tantek perhaps I should formally define them then
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tantek a-z\-
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aaronpk that would solve the camelCase issue too
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tantek this is after the prefix hpeu|dt-
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aaronpk that would make my regex to find mf2 classes: /^([hpue]|dt)-[a-z\-]+$/
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tantek I don't see any reason to allow numbers
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tantek CSS properties haven't needed them in 10+ years so we don't either
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aaronpk reviews h-card and h-entry vocabularies
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tantek how about
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tantek ** where the "*" for root (and property) class names consists only of lowercase a-z and '-'
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tantek clear / unambiguous enough?
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tantek do we need an upperbound on length?
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tantek going with:
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tantek The "*" for root (and property) class names consists only of lowercase a-z and '-' characters.
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aaronpk that seems clear enough
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tantek not going to worry about max length unless someone raises a real issue
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tantek done
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tantek the only uppercase handling will be dealt with in backcompat, on a case-by-case basis
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kylewm Why is ship-it a squirrel?
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aaronpk https://www.quora.com/GitHub/What-is-the-significance-of-the-Ship-It-squirrel