#indiewebcamp 2016-03-10

2016-03-10 UTC
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KevinMarks
is known making room for the url of the link I'm retweeting?
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tantek
!tell KevinMarks my tweet had the URL of that link too
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
what I find fascinating is that no one at YouTube has bothered to make a YouFlix UI that basically uses YouTube content to proide a NetFlix experience
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tantek
s/proide/provide
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: what I find fascinating is that no one at YouTube has bothered to make a YouFlix UI that basically uses YouTube content to provide a NetFlix experience
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tantek
Interesting! will have to play with this later to see how it compares to Netflix - looks promising! https://www.youtube.com/tv (and doesn't need Flash)
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KartikPrabhu
I thought Netflix used "Silverlight" ?
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kylewm
Smart TVs and stuff usually have a YouTube app too
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KartikPrabhu
or at least it did a few years ago
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kylewm
They are switching/have switched to HTML5 gradually over the last 2 years
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KartikPrabhu
oh ok, so i might actually be able to use Netflix now!
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kylewm
Even works on Linux (Chrome only) these days
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KartikPrabhu
ah good to know
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[kevinmarks]
they couldn't use sliverlight on ios/android
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[kevinmarks]
so they lobbied HTML to include DRM
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Loqi
[kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 26 minutes ago: my tweet had the URL of that link too http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-09/line/1457570029993
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@sil Ultraviolet was quite bad (despite Milla Jovovich). Would easily rather watch nearly any IndieWeb video instead." http://tantek.com/2016/069/t4/ultraviolet-bad-rather-watch-indieweb-video
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tantek
naming question - what is the class of things that have a bunch of channels of stuff that you consume?
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tantek
e.g. audio has radio (but that means more the device)
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tantek
and video has television (which again means more the device)
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tantek
but for example, Spotify is a what?
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tantek
Netflix, and youtube.tv are what?
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tantek
Hulu is a what?
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KartikPrabhu
video streaming services
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tantek
what about streaming vs broadcast?
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tantek
is that a plumbing distinction or do they have UX differences?
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tantek
the old term for streaming was "video on demand"
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tantek
but Spotify doesn't call itself "audio on demand" (does it?)
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tantek
what is Spotify?
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Loqi
Spotify is a playlist hosting silo and streaming music service https://indiewebcamp.com/Spotify
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tantek
huh, perhaps "streaming" is the new "media on demand"
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KartikPrabhu
that is what i gather from the news
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tantek
what is netflix?
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Loqi
Netflix is a subscription service for on-demand streaming video https://indiewebcamp.com/Netflix
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tantek
huh, still has the "on-demand" distinction
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KartikPrabhu
streaming can be live, on-demand or both
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gRegorLove
I demand you to stream live now! :)
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sixtwothree.org
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KartikPrabhu
I live now to demand you stream! ;)
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tantek
what is radio?
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Loqi
radio is what was killed by video https://indiewebcamp.com/radio
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tantek
KevinMarks: ^^^
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to the fortnightly Homebrew Website Club - if we have demos of new things, lets see them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: so I can see the events on http://indiewebcamp.com and go through accepting and replying them
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bear
a class of things that have a bunch of channels ... that's a feed IMO
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bear
viewing tv or movies or listening to radio - i'm going to a source and looking for a list of items to consume
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: @aaronpk asked me for this thins week, I'm not sure why
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: well, Aaron is demoing webmention to the w3c next week, so he wanted more examples
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@theaemarie
A4: I'm planning to start up a Homebrew Website club in North Jersey https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club #CodeNewbie
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: brid.gy has added a decent amount since I was last here - user mentions and link searches and sends those too
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: brid.gy extends webmentions to the social networks so if people reply on twitter or facebook you see those too
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@CodeNewbies
RT @theaemarie A4: I'm planning to start up a Homebrew Website club in North Jersey https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club #CodeNewbie
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: tumblr switched to a link redirector like twitter's, which broke things and we ahd to rewrite
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: tantek took his twitter account private, which revealed a lot of extra cases fro us to handle
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I found that having private posts meant people tweeted links to my site instead of retweeting
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we also added lots of microformats to the brid.gy user page and so it acts as an api
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we also added syndication of video to facebook and twitter, which tantek has been using
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we applied for permission to the new Instagram API, so we will have to switch to scraping html
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: brid.gy costs 2-4¢ per user per month - we found that there were slow things which we improved
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: tumblr switched to a link redirector like twitter's, which broke things and we ahd to rewrite
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: Kyle found some slow parts in mf2py, and improved it but there may be more to do
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: if you know what the final url looks like, we don't follow redirects; but we do that now
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tantek
what is streaming?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "streaming" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10G4
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: there is sgnodemapper that does that as part of the old social graph api - we should revive it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: suprfeeder crawls a lot of websites and now we sendswebmentions from a lot of pages on the web to you
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: if you know what the final url looks like, we don't follow redirects; but we do that now
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: suprfeeder crawls a lot of websites and now we sendswebmentions from a lot of pages on the web to you
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @schnarfed: Kyle found some slow parts in mf2py, and improved it but there may be more to do
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: there is sgnodemapper that does that as part of the old social graph api - we should revive it
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@jamahans
RT @theaemarie A4: I'm planning to start up a Homebrew Website club in North Jersey https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club #CodeNewbie
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tantek
streaming is a method of content delivery where the user starts viewing a post on a site, typically timed media, and when it finishes, the site may automatically start showing another, either by scrolling or playing.
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loqi.me
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Loqi
[indieweb] "last fortnight's homebrew website club was fun #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/last-fortnights-homebrew-website-club-was-fun-indieweb
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tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: http://webmention.herokuapp.com keeps a thread open so if I webmention on my static site, the comment appears in real time
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tantek
hey KevinMarks is showing the web IRC log
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homebrewSF
demoing the web ui to the irc
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KartikPrabhu
hey homebrewSF!
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homebrewSF
everything is connected
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KartikPrabhu
but is it simply connected?
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tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I've been expanding http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ to accept fragmentions as well, and show them as quotes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: it also can show the post comments in context for the posts as it caches the jf2 from the source
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@Tech_Sharer
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I've been expanding http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ to accept fragmentions as well, and show them as quotes
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[oliverpattison]
jgarber I’m taking that idea that I talked about at HWC DC with giving photos their own unique URLs and trying it out: https://github.com/opattison/olivermakes/pull/276
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[jgarber]
oliverpattison: Nice work! :+1::skin-tone-2:
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[oliverpattison]
now I’m going to create a micro layout for individual photos and then link it up to the photo sets
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KartikPrabhu
[oliverpattison]: for photosets, http://indiewebcamp.com/collection might collect some prior-art
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[jgarber]
You’re making great progress! My goal of quickly adding auto-embedding Bandcamp music players on link pages met with a sudden end. Bandcamp’s iframe URLs aren’t easily derivable based solely on the album’s or song’s permalink. (e.g. an example iframe embed URL for https://theorchid.bandcamp.com/album/shadowing-lull-ep includes is https://bandcamp.com/EmbeddedPlayer/album=3995949234/size=large/bgcol=ffffff/linkcol=0687f5/tracklist=fals
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[oliverpattison]
that’s a pain – bad URL design
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KartikPrabhu
or deliberate obfuscation
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[oliverpattison]
thanks for the tip about collections – I’ll look into that
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[jgarber]
For reference, here’s how I’m converting YouTube and Vimeo permalink URLs into their associated <iframe> `src` attribute URLs: https://github.com/FrancisCMS/FrancisCMS/blob/master/app/models/francis_cms/link.rb#L33-L39
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KartikPrabhu
[jgarber]: youtube and vimeo have standard embed code so I use that
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[jgarber]
There’s likely cleaner ways to do that but it works for now.
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[jgarber]
@KartikPrabhu: Right, yeah. I’m creating the <iframe> markup on the fly when rendering a “link” permalink on my site (e.g. https://sixtwothree.org/links/880 ), inferred from the URL I’m linking to.
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Loqi
[Jason Garber] The state of gun violence in the US, explained in 18 charts
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[jgarber]
I’m not specifically storing any embed information.
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[oliverpattison]
wow, great work on The Orchid, by the way
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[jgarber]
oliverpattison: Thanks! :smile:
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KartikPrabhu
[jgarber]: yeah I don't store the embed either though I might in the future see example: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/newtonian-mechanics-meets-music
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] Newtonian mechanics meets music by @Wintergatan
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[oliverpattison]
@KartikPrabhu I’m currently playing around with collection-type posts on my Jekyll site now https://olivermak.es/2014/12/oliver-pattison/ (“related” writing connected to a single larger item)
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[oliverpattison]
it’s a sort of ad hoc approach to collecting, but sometimes I want my portfolio items to link to other project or writing items that are intrinsically connected
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KartikPrabhu
oh that is pretty neat looking
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KartikPrabhu
are you building these pages by hand or just from the links of the collected items?
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KartikPrabhu
[oliverpattison]: I like that your pattern-library is open and public
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[oliverpattison]
in between – I have layout items that refer to a unique ID internal to my site, like: `{% include block/project--satellite.html id="2014-12-19:reading-driven-design" %}`
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KartikPrabhu
aah i see neat
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[oliverpattison]
so I don’t have to hand-code anything to make it happen – it’s a reusable component that I can put a unique ID into (same unique ID that the atom feed uses so it should never change)
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KartikPrabhu
i have had that way of composing on my to-do list for a long time
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[oliverpattison]
pattern library isn’t just for show – I use it to design and maintain my site :sweat_smile:
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KartikPrabhu
yes of course! which is why it is useful. keeps all the results of your code visible
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[oliverpattison]
one of these days I’m going to create a less opinionated, portable version of it for use in other Jekyll sites
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KartikPrabhu
i am sorting out my patterns/templates internally first then maybe a patterns page is on order
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb “Press This” Bookmarklet for WordPress" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/03/09/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklet-for-wordpress/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Include IndieWeb Press This plugin · Issue #31 · indieweb/wordpress-indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
i don't even understand the tweet that ^ is a reply to
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@FakeUnicode I hadn't thought of it this way, but if a fragmentation is an id yo...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/707826751322378241)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and
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boffosocko.com
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petermolnar
!tell tantek re: indieflix it's called popcorn time
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown from Chris Aldrich" by Georg Kaser https://geor.gs/2016/liked-sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps
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@georgkaser
ENDLICH: Datensammelei via Like-Buttons und Social-Plugins in DE rechtswidrig! Das große Jammern in der Szene beginnt... #IndieWeb #now
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Loqi
[indieweb] "ENDLICH: Datensammelei via Like-Buttons und Social-Plugins in DE rechtswidrig! Das große Jammern in der Szene beginnt... #IndieWeb #now" by Georg Kaser https://geor.gs/2016/endlich-datensammelei-via-like-buttons-und-social-plugins-in-de-rechtswidrig-das
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petermolnar
how was HWC yesterday, adactio?
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adactio
petermolnar: Very nice! Just a few of us sitting around renewing LetsEncrypt certs and discussing POSSEing to Medium, and a bit of Service Worker chat.
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petermolnar
sounds good
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petermolnar
is a bit sad of the fact that even though he's also in the UK, Brighton is still 3 hours
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@dasnuf
@svensonsan brid.gy Account und WP Plugin Indieweb
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@diplix
@renefischer die brid.gy / indieweb-lösung ist mein lösungsvorschlag, bzw. das was ix bei @dasnuf installiert habe. @svensonsan
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@diplix
@svensonsan relativ einfach. ein paar wp-plugins fürs indiewebifizieren (https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/) und dann → brid.gy @renefischer @dasnuf
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StatelessCat
KevinMarks: hey, sorry for yesterday, I missed to answer you. I do not have my own website for now. I have only some domains and few servers that I use for testing purpose ...
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@HongPong
@Ron_Williams vinculum implements trackbacks, pingbacks &webmentions but its name not intuitive, would do better as "linkback" module, thx!
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Extenting Press This in WordPress to support indieweb reply, like and repost" by Peter Molnar https://petermolnar.eu/press-this-indieweb/
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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petermolnar.eu
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KartikPrabhu
so indieauth to openid delegation through github seems to fail
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aaronpk
What error?
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aaronpk
Also make sure you delegate to openid.indieauth.com not just IndieAuth.com
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@mtony75
mtony75: Things I wish I could do in gnuSocial: 1. Indieweb subscribing. Would make the perfect Indieweb reader or… https://quitter.no/notice/1221499
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Loqi
[indieweb] "mtony75: Things I wish I could do in gnuSocial: 1. Indieweb subscribing. Would make the perfect Indieweb reader or notification service. (hint hint kevinmarks@quitter.no ). 2. Follow specific public Twitter accounts. Just so I don't have to jump back a forth. gnuSocial is becoming my primary social destination all day now. But I do have to check back with Twitter and G+ at least twice a day. 3. Better Google Photos integration. Love to give a share URL and the photo preview pops up." by Tony Fleming https://quitter.no/notice/1221499
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Stephen Paul Weber posted, “@mtony75 IndieWeb with Atom PSHB should work today. Follow twitter accounts there is a plugin for.”" https://singpolyma.net/actionstream/reply-httpstwitter-commtony75status708014339886862336-mtony75-indieweb/
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@singpolyma
@mtony75 IndieWeb with Atom PSHB should work today. Follow twitter accounts there is a plugin for. (https://singpolyma.net/?post_type=actionstream&p=562090)
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@schnarfed
@singpolyma @mtony75 if atom works, also feel free to try https://granary-demo.appspot.com/ for indieweb, twitter, and others.
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@voxpelli
Got some memory alerts on my WebMention service, https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Doesn't seem to have affected anything, but will keep an eye open
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Loqi
[indieweb] "While @Netflix is down,
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Loqi
[indieweb] "last fortnight's homebrew website club was fun #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/last-fortnights-homebrew-website-club-was-fun-indieweb
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gRegorLove
Something weird going on with my Bridgy Publish button but can't figure it out. Intermittently when I click to publish it's like it sends two publish requests. First works, second fails due to Twitter API "same tweet" restriction.
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aaronpk
i have the same problem with my bookmark button in Quill, except it does post the bookmark twice
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snarfed1
huh, interesting
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snarfed
ah, so maybe a bookmarklet thing
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gRegorLove
Mine isn't a bookmarklet
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aaronpk
mine is the actual form submit button, after the bookmarklet stage
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gRegorLove
Bridgy logs show the exact same time, two posts. Huh
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snarfed
got it. huh indeed
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aaronpk
but mine only is a problem when i use the keyboard shortcut i made to submit the button
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aaronpk
the weird thing is the code hasn't changed, but it's double-posting now
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gRegorLove
Weirdly, it doesn't seem to do it if I wait a few seconds after I publish the note on my site before clicking the button to publish to Twitter.
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gRegorLove
Preeeety sure I'm not just clicking so fast it double clicks. But who knows :)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on IndieWeb “Press This” Bookmarklet for WordPress by Robert Catrini" by Robert Catrini http://boffosocko.com/2016/03/09/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklet-for-wordpress/#comment-29984
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aaronpk
between slack, facebook and github having implemented reacji, it's defniitely bumping that up on my own priority list now
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voxpelli
that was quick :)
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voxpelli
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 92 karma
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voxpelli
superfeedr++
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Loqi
superfeedr has 2 karma
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voxpelli
I pushed that post to GitHub less than a minute before that notification
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aaronpk
PuSH is pretty magic
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tantek
Indeed, the PuSH -> Superfeedr -> Loqi -> IRC latency is amazingly low / instant as I experienced yesterday (noted in IRC)
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Loqi
tantek: petermolnar left you a message 12 hours, 56 minutes ago: re: indieflix it's called popcorn time http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-10/line/1457602994640
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Loqi
grins profusely
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tantek
petermolnar: do you use popcorn time? does it consume h-feed?
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KevinMarks
also the webmention -> webmention.herokuapp.com -> update on the page is also very cool
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] last fortnight's homebrew website club was fun #indieweb
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KevinMarks
and having it show up in irc and at the bottom of http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-24.html in real time
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club 2016-02-24
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KevinMarks
woudl eb a better demo if I used a shorter page on kevinmarks.com so I din't have to scrol it up
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