#indiewebcamp 2016-03-13

2016-03-13 UTC
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kylewm whoa just learned that em font sizes are cumulative!
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kylewm if a div is 1.2em, and a blockquote inside the div is 1.4em, then the effective font size is 1.2 x 1.4 x the base size
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aaronpk haha yeah. if you don't want that, use rem
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aaronpk I really want to use one of these iOS scripting apps to be able to post photos and favorite/bookmark things
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aaronpk can't decide if it's worth the time to figure out how to do it with Pythonista or Workflow, or try to actually build a proper iOS micropub app
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KevinMarks and do micropub in Swift or ObjC?
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Loqi KevinMarks: tommorris left you a message 14 hours, 58 minutes ago: GDS's Registers team is run by @psd who has seen the full horrors of WS-* and XML ridiculousness so is likely to be pretty practical at this point. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-12/line/1457776111723
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aaronpk considering it's just an HTTP post, yes
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KevinMarks tommorris: I know psd, he's very smart. There is some lurking CURIE and so on there
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KevinMarks also this issue https://github.com/openregister/specification/issues/27
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@ChrisAldrich RT @kevinmarks @acquia @Dries We'd love to get #indieweb protocols built into Drupal like webmention and micropub. (twitter.com/_/status/708818207763640322)
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aaronpk now reading http://www.appcoda.com/ios8-share-extension-swift/
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Loqi [Joyce Echessa] iOS Building a Simple Share Extension in iOS 8 App
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aaronpk seems not totally crazy to do this natively
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GWG Nothing is too crazy
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KartikPrabhu good use case for an image map but uses div-soup+JS instead http://spiekermann.com/en/edc/
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acegiak I need to work out how to posse videos to things like Twitter
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GWG Hello, acegiak
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acegiak Hi GWG!
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GWG acegiak: I am going to be deploying more changes to Post Kinds.
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acegiak Ok neat! I haven't had a chance to work on the things I was looking at yet.
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GWG acegiak: I installed it on a finance blog my brother writes and he found a bunch of oddities trying to share links with his readers.
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acegiak Oh OK neat
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acegiak Good that you've found those
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GWG Going to be deploying fixes.
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KevinMarks acegiak: bridgy can do that - at least tantek managed it
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /POSSE (+133) "/* Facebook */ webaction endpoint no longer working" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+486) "/* Bridgy Publish */ added Barnaby Walters usage" (view diff)
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barnabywalters do we really have no page for profile photos?
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barnabywalters what are profile photos?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "profile photos" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10G8
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Loqi barnabywalters: snarfed left you a message on 7/17 at 12:21pm: hi! just fyi, your webmention endpoint is 500ing: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1437157107&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIjt0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo2MjE3OTEyMDg1MDgxMjkyODFfZmF2b3JpdGVkX2J5XzQ5NzAxMww http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-17/line/1437160895970
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 8/31 at 10:11am: what do you think of this way of attempting to be welcoming to Diaspora and potentially other communities? (just added at top of wiki page: https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora#Dear_Diaspora_Lets_Federate ) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-31/line/1441041101316
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 12/29 at 10:09am: Shrewdness tester appears to be down, I get "Failed to connect to localhost port 9200: Connection refused" when I try https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-29/line/1451412597481
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Loqi barnabywalters: cweiske left you a message on 2/1 at 11:30pm: your google site search also does not return any results http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-01/line/1454398246934
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barnabywalters nothing on http://indiewebcamp.com/photo about it, or http://indiewebcamp.com/icon or http://indiewebcamp.com/homepage
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barnabywalters what is a profile photo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "profile photo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10G9
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barnabywalters A profile photo is a photo or other image typically used to identify the author of a post.
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loqi.me created /profile_photo (+115) "prompted by barnabywalters https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457870834413 and dfn added by barnabywalters" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /facepile (+4) "linked to profile photo page" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /profile_photos (+26) "Redirected page to [[profile photo]]" (view diff)
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mblaney what is a profile picture?
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Loqi An icon in the context of the indieweb typically refers to a home page icon for an indieweb site https://indiewebcamp.com/profile_picture
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mblaney oh he's gone :-/
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /profile_photo (+1387) "expanded definition, added example and links to relevant pages, added indieweb examples with my multiple profile photo implementation" (view diff)
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mblaney hi barnabywalters
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barnabywalters greetings mblaney!
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mblaney I remembered tantek referred to the icon page in a profile picture discussion recently.
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mblaney but I agree looking at the /icon page it's hard to see the connection!
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barnabywalters yep, it’s a good page which covers the usage of photos for a website icon very well
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barnabywalters but IMO profile photos themselves are an important enough pattern to have their own coverage
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mblaney yes that makes sense
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barnabywalters what prompted me to look was wanting to document my practice of keeping the original profile photo associated with old posts
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barnabywalters IIRC there are a few nice historical examples of silos allowing more freedom with profile photos, e.g. per-post photos, or photos based on emotions or something
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mblaney fair enough, that definitely makes it more complicated :-)
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barnabywalters I never saw this in action but heard people talking about it — if anyone knows what these examples are, please add them to /profile_photo
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barnabywalters aaah it feels good to have done a bit of creative/maintenance work on my site after about a year of just using it :)
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mblaney I haven't heard it mentioned here recently
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barnabywalters I haven’t been around here for ages, so anything I remember is from at least a year ago :)
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mblaney welcome back! I have been around less than that :-)
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mblaney are you getting back in to your indieweb projects then?
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barnabywalters thank you! I didn’t think I recognised you :) what’s your personal site?
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barnabywalters probably not as actively as I was able to be before my break, but I feel a little a bit of motivation to work on them again at least
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mblaney unicyclic.com/mal
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barnabywalters glancing through the logs it looks like there’s all sorts of new stuff I need to catch up with, of course
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tommorris hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters greetings tommorris!
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mblaney hmmm how do I linkify the logs.... https://unicyclic.com/mal
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mblaney ahhh there we go ;-)
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barnabywalters !tell snarfed, kylewm thanks again for all your excellent work on bridgy — I just started using publish for fb POSSE (rather than twitter->fb auto POSSE) and it was super easy to set up :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli barnabywalters: I found http://indiewebcamp.com/icon now
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voxpelli aaand now I see that has already been mentioned
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voxpelli !tell Jeena Just tried to submit http://voxpelli.com/social/2016/03/58106/ to https://jeena.net/initiating-conversations-indieweb from the HTML form and got "We're sorry, but something went wrong."
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /profile_photo (+27) "/* How */" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Peter Molnar mentioned this post in his article on Extending Press This in WordPress to support indieweb reply, like and repost, but suspiciously without adding" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/peter-molnar-mentioned-this-post-in-his-article-on-extending
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Loqi [indieweb] "re: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/peter-molnar-mentioned-this-post-in-his-article-on-extending Chris, I’ve disabled Pingbacks on my WordPress due to an extensive and annoying amount of spam. However, I did send a webmention at 2016-03-10 16:01:01, which I’ve checked now. The response was: error: no_link_found error_text: The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI. code: 400 message: Bad Request This […]" by Peter Molnar https://petermolnar.eu/o3zojt/
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petermolnar !tell ben_thatmustbeme neither http://stream.boffosocko.com (appears to be Known ) or http://werd.io/ is accepting webmentions from my site, stating "The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI" which is not a valid claim.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell ben_thatmustbeme check https://petermolnar.eu/o3zojt/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk wrong ben?
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petermolnar I'm not my brightest today
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petermolnar sorry
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GWG Why not petermolnar?
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petermolnar benwerd != ben_thatmustbeme
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[kevinmarks] Today in js;dr
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[kevinmarks] http://s.codepen.io/heydon/debug/KzMoxE
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Jeena thanks voxpelli there happenes something weird in my code which I don't quite understand yet
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Loqi Jeena: voxpelli left you a message 2 hours, 23 minutes ago: Just tried to submit http://voxpelli.com/social/2016/03/58106/ to https://jeena.net/initiating-conversations-indieweb from the HTML form and got "We're sorry, but something went wrong." http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457885711577
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voxpelli Jeena: seems to be reproducible so hopefully it helps you debug it :)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/heydonworks/status/708953874556702721
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@heydonworks Wanted to read @WIRED's "I Turned Off JS For A week And It Was Glorious". I kept seeing this, so I turned off JS. [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/708953874556702721)
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kylewm hehe, woodwind does not do well with tweet storms
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Loqi kylewm: barnabywalters left you a message 6 hours, 43 minutes ago: thanks again for all your excellent work on bridgy — I just started using publish for fb POSSE (rather than twitter->fb auto POSSE) and it was super easy to set up :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457873261521
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kylewm \o/ hi barnaby!
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek IndieWebCamp MIT starts tomorrow morning bright and early!
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tantek !tell barnabywalters looks like your post got my reply, but did not see my /like response before that! http://tantek.com/2016/073/f4
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !seen barnabywalters
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tantek !tell barnabywalters I just tried a manual submission via the form on your post and for some reason that worked! Not sure where the webmention from my site to yours didn't work.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[kevinmarks] interesting: https://medium.com/why-not/our-slack-wiki-e4f6d23a3495#.5qgppd5ac
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@kevinmarks @philgyford @tomcoates @jasonfried @tomskitomski @benbrown like Loqi in https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13 - a bot that queries and creates wiki pages (twitter.com/_/status/709105932257472512)
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tantek checks logs
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tantek wow I just missed barnabywalters by mere minutes!!!
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tantek nope: https://twitter.com/jasonfried/status/709095473131421696 IndieWebCamp existence, growth, and amazing documentation is a beautiful disproof of that assertion.
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@jasonfried @philgyford @tomskitomski @tomcoates same exact issues apply in Basecamp’s Campfire chats. Which is why chat-first is a broken idea. (twitter.com/_/status/709095473131421696)
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tantek can't be bothered to wander into a twitter fight
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tantek KevinMarks: I see you linked the logs in that tweet-thread, I wonder if we'll get any new visitors accordingly.
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tantek https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/709105932257472512
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@kevinmarks @philgyford @tomcoates @jasonfried @tomskitomski @benbrown like Loqi in https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta#bottom - a bot that queries and creates wiki pages (twitter.com/_/status/709105932257472512)
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tantek Does Slack parse JS for its previews? Does FB for OGP? Does Twitter for twittercards?
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tantek I'm guessing no, and thus js;dr pages fail to show link previews in Slack, FB, Twitter
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tantek hey barnabywalters
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aaronpk slack previews are well documented: https://medium.com/slack-developer-blog/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-unfurling-but-were-afraid-to-ask-or-how-to-make-your-e64b4bb9254
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barnabywalters greetings tantek!
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 33 minutes ago: looks like your post got my reply, but did not see my /like response before that! http://tantek.com/2016/073/f4 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457898180249
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 28 minutes ago: I just tried a manual submission via the form on your post and for some reason that worked! Not sure where the webmention from my site to yours didn't work. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457898432663
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KevinMarks well, except that js:dr pages often have ogp or twitter cards markup
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tantek KevinMarks: right, they have the markup on the page, not JS that generates that markup :P
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aaronpk slack looks in this order: oEmbed, Twitter card, Facebook card, HTML meta tags
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tantek aaronpk: so if the whole page (include all that meta) is js;dr, Slack sees nothing
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barnabywalters ah thanks tantek! I just fixed an issue with accepting webmentions on my site this morning, so it was almost certainly that
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tantek great to have you back barnabywalters !
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tantek and really good comments display!
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aaronpk presumably yes. interestingly, that's one of the issues with esri pages we're dealing with right now.
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barnabywalters ha ha thanks, actually today I was working on getting facebook interactions backfed to my site properly, and all of the likes look ridiculous in my current comment display :)
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@kevinmarks @philgyford @tomcoates @jasonfried @tomskitomski @benbrown here's an example wiki editing conversation: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457380288658 (twitter.com/_/status/709111336467177472)
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barnabywalters always more work to do…
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tantek barnabywalters: you preserved comment white-space and links (or is that view auto_link ? )
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barnabywalters tantek: ottomh I can’t actually remember but I think I take the comment HTML, pass it through a fairly strict sanitizer and then output the results
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tantek wow very cool
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tantek what is custom post styling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom post styling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10GA
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tantek what is custom post style?
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Loqi Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style
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tantek custom post styling is [[custom post style]]
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loqi.me created /custom_post_styling (+30) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457900480571 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is per-post styling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "per-post styling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10GB
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tantek per-post styling is [[custom post style]]
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loqi.me created /per-post_styling (+30) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457900536554 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is custom post script?
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Loqi Custom post script is the practice of adding interactivity to individual posts differently from the rest of the site interactivity using custom scripts https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_script
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tantek barnabywalters: ^^^
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KevinMarks that's a confusing name given that postscript is something else
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GWG barnabywalters: You have returned?!
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barnabywalters GWG: so it would seem :)
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GWG barnabywalters: Glad to have you around for however long it is.
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tantek.com edited /file-storage (+272) "/* XOXCO */ link to fragment of section, h-cite markup the cite" (view diff)
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tantek hey barnabywalters for someone thinking a bunch about /profile_photo, you should consider adding a photo for yourself on /irc-people :)
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barnabywalters ah yes how did I forget that!
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tantek :D
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tantek barnabywalters: also - any plans to make it to any of the upcoming Germany IndieWebCamps?
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tantek also - feel free to ask adactio about when is the next IWC Brighton :)
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tantek barnabywalters: are you interested in feedback/suggestions on your note reply-contexts?
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KevinMarks what is an avatar?
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Loqi A profile photo is a photo or other image typically used to identify the author of a post https://indiewebcamp.com/avatar
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aaronpk I thought I saw barnaby RSVP'd for at least one of them!
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barnabywalters tantek: RE German IWCs, yep, I’m going to Nürnburg in April. And RE reply context feedback, all feedback glady accepted of course :)
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tantek barnabywalters: awesome!!! I'm really trying hard to go to Nürnberg
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barnabywalters I’m really looking forward to it! and of course it’d be great to see you there too
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tantek barnabywalters: the reply-context here https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4fUEw5/ has a ">" linking to the in-reply-to, but right next to it the @-name linking to just the profile
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Loqi [Barnaby Walters] @realscientists I always thought those were ankles, and their anatomical “knees” are buried inside what appears to be their bodies?
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tantek because the two links are right next to each other, they look like *one link*
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barnabywalters true, it’s a bit of a small click/touch target as well
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tantek thus from a UX perspective, it sets an expectation of clicking on that "one link" to go to the original
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tantek however if you click where the @-name is, it just goes to the profile
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tantek any way you can make that whole "link" link to the in-reply permalink?
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tantek (the original)
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tantek Also this is an interesting example because it looks like you replied to a tweet that was deleted, then later replaced by the link you put at the end of your post!
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: re: reply context, the "right arrow" is a bit too small for clicking even with my mouse pointer
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KartikPrabhu oh you already said that nvmd
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voxpelli !tell miklb I added you to my private, very much work in progress, hosted micropub to github service repository, so that you can have a reference on how my other modules work for now. Also published a brief overview on my blog
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: barnabywalters: cool to hear that you're both are trying to get to Nürnberg, trying to finalize my own plans to go there in the upcoming days!
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barnabywalters voxpelli: yay!
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Loqi :D
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petermolnar Known has issues pulling my site because I've recently turned off SSLv3 ( only TLSv1, 1.1 and 1.2 now ); is anyone else having issues parsing https-only sites which only supports TLS?
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boffosocko.com edited /Known (+117) "/* How to */ added section on use with Mobile sharing" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks FYI, I added redirect from http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Www.kevin-marks.com to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kevinmarks.com so old links still work (twitter.com/_/status/709164452197720065)
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boffosocko.com edited /Posting_from_mobile_devices (+13) "/* See Also */ added link to mobile page" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich @toddlyden Perhaps this may help: http://indiewebcamp.com/Posting_from_mobile_devices It's more Android specific but iOS should have something similar. (twitter.com/_/status/709167052028649472)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/toddlyden-perhaps-this-may-help-posting_from_mobile_devices-its-more-android-specific commented '@toddlyden Perhaps this may help: http://indiewebcamp.com/Posting_from_mobile_de...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Posting_from_mobile_devices