#indiewebcamp 2016-03-14

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kylewm does anyone know whether iOS does something similar to Android when you share a Tweet URL? -- Android includes some annoying extra text "Check out this post by @-somebody https://twitter.com/..."
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aaronpk share in what context?
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KartikPrabhu is this the twitter app or some sharing app on Android?
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KevinMarks twitter injects that on android
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miklb.com edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+221) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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miklb looking forward to tomorrow
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Loqi miklb: voxpelli left you a message 2 hours, 34 minutes ago: I added you to my private, very much work in progress, hosted micropub to github service repository, so that you can have a reference on how my other modules work for now. Also published a brief overview on my blog http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457905509579
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aaronpk it works! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/13/7/
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miklb voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 66 karma
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aaronpk i need to learn more iOS UI stuff in order to make that fancier, but it's a pretty good start!
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aaronpk now i'm heading to the airport to go to boston!
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aaronpk (it was obviously very important to finish that before i left :P)
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Loqi [bridgy] Todd Lyden replied 'Thanks for that @ChrisAldrich' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Posting_from_mobile_devices (https://twitter.com/toddlyden/status/709173212341346304)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@wolcen IndieWebCamp 2016 at MIT tomorrow. Register now, only a few spots left! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-mit-2016-tickets-20820505693 (twitter.com/_/status/709188640602251264)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Is there a way to use a similar workflow that occurs when doing a native "photo post" rather than the alternate flow here that happens" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/is-there-a-way-to-use-a-similar-workflow-that
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Extending Press This in WordPress to support indieweb reply, like and repost" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-extending-press-this-in-wordpress-to-support-indieweb-reply
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Loqi [indieweb] "Thanks @kylewm. This seems to have done the trick to fix the issue. ([viz.](http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-extending-press-this-in-wordpress-to-support-indieweb-reply)) You've got my vote for including KnownReactions into IDNO core if" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/thanks-kylewm-this-seems-to-have-done-the-trick-to
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Loqi [indieweb] "networkeffects" http://known.networkeffects.ca/tag/OpenEducationWk
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indie-visitor Hey guys, what do you think of using public-key cryptography as a way to manage your audience.
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indie-visitor An example would be generating a new key to swap with each person you would like to share your activity stream with.
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indie-visitor You could then group the keys of your family or friends together and set an audience on a post so it's be shared with them.
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indie-visitor s/be/only
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Loqi indie-visitor meant to say: You could then group the keys of your family or friends together and set an audience on a post so it's only shared with them.
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indie-visitor This could be used for private messaging too, I think.
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KartikPrabhu welcome indie-visitor . you can set your nickname using "/nick yourname"
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indie-visitor Okay, hmm not sure what my nick should be
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KartikPrabhu you can use your website name
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indie-visitor Heh I don't have the resources atm for a domain + server space. I just enjoy checking out the IndiWeb every now and then, because I like the principles.
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indie-visitor it is built on
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indie-visitor testing nick
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indie-visitor Oh
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a0vcy Super!
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KartikPrabhu a0vcy: you can use hosted services for your sitew
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a0vcy Yep, only I don't have much use for a personal web site. I mainly use facebook just as a messaging service, I don't share much with a wider audience to warrant a personal website. Though I do like their use as webbased identity and authentication. I guess one day I might get my own.
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KartikPrabhu a0vcy: re cryptographic keys; i find using those things is not intuitive or straigthforward. I don't remember most things and I doubt my audience will either
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KartikPrabhu UI nightmare
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Loqi [indieweb] "networkeffects" http://known.networkeffects.ca/tag/OpenEducationWk
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a0vcy Agreed on them being confusing, but I also think there are ways to hide the cruft under common sense concepts and user interactions.
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KartikPrabhu let me know if you find a way ;)
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KartikPrabhu seeing how even git is completely unintuitive and git UI has been attacked from all sides I doubt if cryptography is any simpler
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a0vcy I might just give it a go one of these days :)
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KartikPrabhu what is self-dgofood?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "self-dgofood" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10GE
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KartikPrabhu what is self-dogfood?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "self-dogfood" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10GF
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KartikPrabhu err what!
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KartikPrabhu what is selfdogfooding?
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Loqi selfdogfood is a stronger form of dogfooding, that is, using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, as an aspect of your primary online identity, day to day https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfooding
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KartikPrabhu a0vcy: also see ^
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a0vcy hehe Its cool, I know self-dogfooding
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a0vcy oh cheers
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a0vcy you got it!
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (+259) "more last minute RSVPS, one cancel, and one rsvp'd a second time on EB, so i'm guessing thats a +1" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT/Guest_List (-123) "literally cancelled AS i was updating page" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2016/MIT (+945) "Add photos section and adjacent events." (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "networkeffects" http://known.networkeffects.ca/tag/OpenEducationWk
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aaronpk Good morning!
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cweiske hiho
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voxpelli Morning!
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aaronpk Landed in Boston, only a couple hours until we start!
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voxpelli Woha, then you're up really early aaronpk :)
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aaronpk Haha yep! Got a couple hours sleep on the plane
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Loqi awesome
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jonnybarnes its wierd to me one country can have multiple timezones
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jonnybarnes I reacted to your php-mf2 comment on Github @aaronpk, first time using them
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jonnybarnes are they called reacji?
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jonnybarnes I think I’ve read that word before
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aaronpk I don't remember what github calls them
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cweiske reactions: https://github.com/blog/2119-add-reactions-to-pull-requests-issues-and-comments
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j4y_funabashi lo
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GWG Here's to IWC MIT.
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jonnybarnes new php-mf2 release!
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tantek I want to post an article photo post but I think I am finding it makes more sense to have the photo as its own post and then just re-use it in the article as a featured image
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KartikPrabhu tantek needs to have photo storage/hosting ;)
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tantek no it has nothing to do with plumbing
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tantek it has to do with conceptually as a user how do I want to organize / access these posts
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KartikPrabhu i see, you want your post UI to make a photo post and use it in an article
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tantek right, rather than do a combo article photo post
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tantek the primary "subject" is different
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KartikPrabhu no i understand. I do the 2-step thing since I use Google Photos for photo hosting
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KartikPrabhu 1. make Google Photos album with all images from an article 2. use those photos in actual article
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KartikPrabhu would be nice to do step 1. automatically when creating article
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tantek no for me I want separate reactions/responses to the photo vs the article that will be using the photo
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petermolnar tantek interestingly wordpress thinks of every attachment as an attachment type post
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tantek so it's a user model thing, nothing to do with how it is stored or method of posting
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petermolnar which is similar to what you describe
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heibie hi. i'm just starting on the indieweb and try to setup a gps-logger. i'm succesfully running aaron pareckis gps-logger on my iphone, send the data succesfully to compass.p3k.io. i also have created a micropub-endpoint (http://www.bielinski.de/micropub.php) and tested it succesfully with quilt (https://quill.p3k.io/). a little php-script catches the data and writes it succesfully to a file. now i want to send also the gps-data from compass to that en
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heibie know where to get the access-token, which i have to enter in compass. can anyone give me a hint?
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Loqi Oops! Die Seite konnte nicht gefunden werden.
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heibie .... to that endpoint, but i don't know where to get the access-token, which i have to enter in compass. can anyone give me a hint?
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petermolnar ^ aaronpk?
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jonnybarnes have you signed into compass.p3k.io?
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heibie yes. with my website and indieauth
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jonnybarnes so compass should have been given a token already? as far as I understand indieauth
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tantek Loqi why are you speaking German?
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Loqi grins profusely
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KartikPrabhu sounds like compass needs good docs
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heibie compass gives me a read and write-token, but for realtime micropub export i have to enter a endpoint (which i have) and an "access token" (which i don't have)
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heibie read/write-token are for the ios-app
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jonnybarnes compass needs a token to send to the micropub_endpoint, it should have received that from your token_endpoint, which you have set to tokens.indieauth.com
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jonnybarnes so compass should already have a token
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jonnybarnes and when it sends a request to you micropub endpoint on your site, your site can verify the validity of the token with tokens.indieauth.com
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heibie yes i have set my token_endpoint to tokens.indieauth.com
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heibie so, i should leave the "Access Token" Field in compass blank, an my endpoint should send the "access Token" automatically to compass?
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jonnybarnes erm, when you goto compass.p3k.io and sign in, compass should check the url you give it (your homepage), and look for an authorization_endpoint
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jonnybarnes it’ll send you there for you to verify youself and then compass will be given an “authorization code”
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jonnybarnes compass should then be looking for a token_endpoint which it will give the auth code to and in return compass should get a token
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jonnybarnes which it can send along with requests to the micropub_endpoint
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jonnybarnes unfortunately I’m refactoring my micropub/indieauth code at the moment so I’m unable to sign in
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heibie i'm signing in to compass wit my twitter-account as authentication provider
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heibie and i don't get a message from compass, if it gets a token from my site.
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KartikPrabhu heibie: could you check if you can indieauth into the wiki. there have been some problems with Twitter sign in's before
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heibie yes, i just logged into the wiki without problems
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KartikPrabhu ok weird
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[jgarber] tantek: Attempting to use the Instapaper bookmarklet from my browser on your domain (correctly) throws an error:
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[jgarber] ```[Error] Refused to load the script 'http://www.instapaper.com/j/38LxZc2Vkpre?a=read-later&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2016%2F074%2Fb1%2Fembrace-joy-present&t=1457964065776' because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline' https://platform.twitter.com”.```
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jonnybarnes heibe, if you’re logged in, what happens if you just try and post from compass?
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jonnybarnes heibie ^^
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heibie__ what do you mean "try and post from compass"? i can't manually post from compass. the ios-app pushes the data to compass, where i can see it on the map. but i don't see the possibilty to manually start the post from compass to my endpoint.
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aaronpk oh hey heibie__
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aaronpk i think people here aren't very familiar with Compass
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KartikPrabhu treu^
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aaronpk right now the micropub export for Compass is hacked together and requires you paste an access token in it. Ideally it should let you indieauth to your site and get the token that way
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aaronpk for now, you'll have to generate a token yourself, however you might have that set up. it totally depends on your micropub endpoint though
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KevinMarks wow,t he talky process is using 2GB of RAM
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KevinMarks 4GB of RAM
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KevinMarks that seems excessive
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heibie__ thanks aaron. any hints on how to generate that token? i'm using a little php script (https://gist.github.com/adactio/8168e6b78da7b16a4644), which i modified to my needs
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aaronpk heibie__: if all you are trying to do is receive the data from Compass, then just make up a long random string and hard-code it into your script and make sure the post request contains that header
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aaronpk Compass sends a header "Authorization: Bearer xxxxxx" with whatever you put in that field, so you can just check to make sure the token matches when you handle the post request
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heibie__ thanks, aaron, i will try
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ben_thatmustbeme hello all from IWC MIT
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: petermolnar left you a message 20 hours, 30 minutes ago: neither http://stream.boffosocko.com (appears to be Known ) or http://werd.io/ is accepting webmentions from my site, stating "The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI" which is not a valid claim. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457892018948
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: petermolnar left you a message 20 hours, 30 minutes ago: check https://petermolnar.eu/o3zojt/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457892030663
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jescka Morning all!
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ben_thatmustbeme who is on remotely?
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ben_thatmustbeme starting IWC MIT
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: short welcome, showing video
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rhiaro tbrb kongaloosh talky.io/indiewebcamp if Edinburgh fancies tuning in
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rhiaro aaronpk kicks of IWC 2016/MIT by showing the funny video
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ben_thatmustbeme "'a better web starts with your website' i like that message"
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ben_thatmustbeme now giving a basic intro of IWC
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ben_thatmustbeme discussing /principles now
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek isn't fake, we promise
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ben_thatmustbeme only one room today, might be able to have smaller sessions outside but not during lunch
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miklb is there a stream or just talky for IWC?
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aaronpk we're on hangouts live too
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aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UKxiDeWdU
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aaronpk rhiaro: showing her site, and showing that she has a page where she logs everything she buys
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aaronpk making mini apps for posting things
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aaronpk showing "Burrow" a "vague checkin" app
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@HongPong #Indiewebcamp is live at MIT VIDEO here > https://www.youtube.com/ & IRC freenode channel #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/709391419522293760)
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aaronpk the app has buttons for "home" "work" etc
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aaronpk "Obtanium" app to log purchasing. shows the last 10 photos taken and can log a purchase by clicking a photo and describing it
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jonnybarnes wow this youtube stream is low-res
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tantek "CSS3 is not evolving fast enough. You need to rely on Javascript a lot and then your website becomes heavy."
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KevinMarks looks OK to me
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KevinMarks I'm getting 720p
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hongpong if anyone would like Drupal 7 Webmention support I have posted some more updates here > https://github.com/HongPong/vinculum/tree/7.x-2.x I worked on it at the camp last year but i can't attend this year
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jonnybarnes oh, it had auto-switched to 144p :(
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tantek (amazing intro from Samir, who immigrated from Syria)
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@HongPong Drupal 7 Webmention support I have posted some more updates here > https://github.com/HongPong/vinculum/tree/7.x-2.x (twitter.com/_/status/709392943803666432)
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tantek got here late - has anyone been minuting / note-taking?
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ben_thatmustbeme minor notes, not word for word
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ben_thatmustbeme and everything was on the chat
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme at least something for each person that has demo'd?
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sensiblemn thanks Dan
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jonnybarnes will youtube automatically make this available for re-watching at a later time?
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: yes it archives it
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tantek TIno what happened?
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jonnybarnes excellent, I need to head out in a little bit
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ben_thatmustbeme Samir has started over and over on his site
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aaronpk i should turn off the talky while streaming to youtube, that will probably help
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ben_thatmustbeme Samir has some greivances about CSS that I'm sure he and tantek can discuss :P
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme what do you mean "everything was on the chat"? This channel is the chat right?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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tantek hey organizers aaronpk rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme perhaps suggest to him that he lead a discussion session on CSS challenges?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme steps up to demo
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tantek ... what he's been up to in the past year
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tantek ... anybody that uses FB knows about their reaction emojis now
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tantek ... I beat the to it
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tantek s/the/them
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Loqi tantek meant to say: ... I beat them to it
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: anyone can reply to any of my posts with a reacji
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tantek and you'll see who has posted
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KevinMarks video just dropped and audio is now daleking
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: and this is my own posting site
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KevinMarks (On youtube)
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tantek s/site/UI
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Loqi tantek meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme: and this is my own posting UI
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: and I'll syndicate to Twitter to see if it works
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I also did a simple web app
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tantek ... for my mobile device
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KevinMarks talky is muted
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hongpong youtube video down / audio quality is like 4/10
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: where you enter a few fields
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tantek ... and it posts to my site
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme take a photo
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aaronpk I turned off tally while YouTube is going
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme types into his mobile device
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: and there you go (shows his website with new photo he just took and his typed in text!)
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KevinMarks talky has video, youtube has bad audio
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KevinMarks like needs usb replugging audio
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tantek remembers he needs to update the CASSIS regex
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tantek for woodwind.xyz and cassie.wtf
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tantek Cassie: cassie.wtf is my site. it runs wordpress, HTTPS with LetsEncrypt
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aaronpk did audio fix? The external mic disconnected
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme can you take over note-taking? I need to go update CASSIS ;)
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KevinMarks no, still daleking
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ben_thatmustbeme exterminate! EXTERMINATE!
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KevinMarks that got better sound
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KevinMarks still no video
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme who was that last presenter?
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tantek Ann Basetti: I am recently retired, participated in W3C, instrumental to bringing web technology into Boeing in the past 20 years.
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tantek ... now is my chance to learn how to do some of this stuff on my own
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: i'll take over
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sensiblemn i didn't RSVP, but i was the last presenter along with cassie
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sensiblemn kurtis
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: presenting now
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sensiblemn i bought freekurt.com and hope to hack on that tomorrow
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sensiblemn but we presented about sensible.mn
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek's shirt says Hello My URL is tantek.com
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: Since the last IWC I've been working on photo and video posting working on my site
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ben_thatmustbeme to take video and photos with the instagram app and post to my site
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ben_thatmustbeme he shows off some images and video he has posted
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ben_thatmustbeme plays video in the browser on his site
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ben_thatmustbeme its hosted at instagram but streams fine
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ben_thatmustbeme and he has is POSSEing to various silos
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ben_thatmustbeme decided to take all his Silo accounts private recently
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ben_thatmustbeme to push people to link to the original site
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ben_thatmustbeme to friends its transparent, they can still see syndicated stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme if they try to share a link, that other person might not be able to see it
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ben_thatmustbeme each post has an original link back to his site rather than resharing the copies
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sensiblemn tantek: all his silo posts say "originally posted on" tantek.com
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sensiblemn he's seeing more people link to tantek.com now that he took his silo site private
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ben_thatmustbeme Jessica giving an intro on herself
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sensiblemn jessica is learning computer science
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ben_thatmustbeme student from RI who has a degree in animal science
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ben_thatmustbeme but is going back for CS
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ben_thatmustbeme a little rusty as HTML but here to learn and absorb and excited
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ben_thatmustbeme Dmitri presenting
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ben_thatmustbeme software dev in distributed systems and is in the crosscloud group here
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sensiblemn he's in the social web working group at wc3
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ben_thatmustbeme member of SocialWebWg
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sensiblemn he's using octopress
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll leave note taking so sensiblemn as we are duplicating work
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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sensiblemn dmitri is going to try to migrate just to plane jekkyl
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sensiblemn ben_thatmustbeme: was just trying to compliment instead of duplicate
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ben_thatmustbeme okay
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll continue
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sensiblemn sandro is now presenting
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ben_thatmustbeme Sandro, has an aversion to his own site
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ben_thatmustbeme is not a fan of static html
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ben_thatmustbeme probably have it generated from raw data -> html
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ben_thatmustbeme Satra: presenting, works with dmitri and sandro
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tantek (apparently octopress upgrade broke a bunch of people)
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ben_thatmustbeme works on similar projects
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ben_thatmustbeme neurostars.org
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aaronpk interesting, it sounds like this idea of underlying data being rendered with your own and also other peoples' views
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ben_thatmustbeme django framework for QA stuff
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aaronpk which actually sounds a lot like a reader!
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ben_thatmustbeme wants to decentralize all thse question and answer type of sites
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ben_thatmustbeme benjamin mlncn
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ben_thatmustbeme has a friend coming up from nicaragua
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sensiblemn benjamin is a part of a worker owned cooperative and is a webdev
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ben_thatmustbeme works with drupal system
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ben_thatmustbeme indieweb experience has been using Known and adding things to Pelican
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sensiblemn ping Dan. drupal guy is here
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ben_thatmustbeme wants to work on basic webmention support in drupal 8
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KevinMarks http://octopress.org/ says 'octopress 3 is coming' dated jan 2015, talks about a complete rewrite - so second system syndrome?
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@HongPong .@mlncn now talking at #indiewebcamp LIVE VIDEO > https://www.youtube.com/ talking developing some indie web stuff https://twitter.com/HongPong/status/709399942520041473/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/709399942520041473)
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tantek ben (mlncn) ... working on native IndieWeb support in Drupal!
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tantek Marty: secured a domain name for his family
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ben_thatmustbeme Marty mclaren has a site for his family
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tantek thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek is still updating cassis
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rhiaro Marty: didn't want to spend time in a website maintenance loop
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rhiaro ... Looked and looked and couldn't find good tools
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tantek ... thought somebody would have invented it, but it just wasn't there. so I gave up.
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tantek ... middle of last year I attended an event in the appalachian mountains, that event is going to happen again this year.
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tantek ... I thought, I need to have this on a website
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tantek ... I don't participate a lot in social media because it makes me paranoid
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tantek ... didn't want to hop onto Facebook to post stuff, I wanted to use the web to distribute stuff
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sensiblemn marty's goals were to have a private website, require logons, family membership directory,
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tantek ... wanted to have a private website with login, family directory, email addresses
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tantek ... I created a WordPress instance, picked out a theme and got busy
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tantek ... somewhere in that process I followed a link that brought me to this event
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tantek ... I learned the term information silos
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tantek ... I like the sound of this, taking back the web
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tantek ... everyone that is younger than me is turned to social media, like and air & water, the way the world turns
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tantek ... I'm hoping to expose some folks to a different way of doing it
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@HongPong i got the dev with empty drupal 'linkback' project to agree it could have a D8 Webmention + other vinculum trackback/pingback @mlncn email'd (twitter.com/_/status/709400933357260800)
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sensiblemn marty hopes to expose his family to indieweb principles by building an indieweb site for them
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tantek organizers aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: sandro pointed out to me, did you disclose existance of this channel, logs, notes at the start?
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tantek was assuming y'all did
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tantek especially the live feed to YouTube
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tantek and Talky.io
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tantek sandro: note that we're taking notes in and logging them publicly
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tantek and there's the live webcam also, which is being recorded and will be available afterwards
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aaronpk revises the "introductions" page
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tantek ^^^ organizers, perhaps add to /Introduction so that it gets mentioned explicitly in the future?
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tantek thanks aaronpk !
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sensiblemn i believe that the current presenter's name is aaron
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sensiblemn he's showing how he can grab feeds to his drupal site
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sensiblemn news.hosttor.com uses drupal 8
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ben_thatmustbeme feeds from various sites, if this had support for mf2, would be another feed reader!
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ben_thatmustbeme for IWC that is
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hongpong i was able to get mf2 to work within drupal 7, but i dont know if there is a properly coded (i.e. libraries module) based implementation
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sensiblemn aaronpk reviews indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Schedule
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barnabywalters greetings hongpong!
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barnabywalters hongpong: what does “properly coded (i.e. libraries module) based implementation” mean? What do you need that php-mf2 doesn’t provide?
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barnabywalters (I’m assuming you’re referring to php-mf2 at least)
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sensiblemn we have one session before lunch
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sensiblemn there are 10 total sessions
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hongpong hi barnabywalters in drupal ecosystem you are supposed to use drupal.org/project/libraries to load all third party libraries, so you write a hook in your program to use the libraries module to pull it down
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hongpong barnabywalters i mean the mf2 library at https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2
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hongpong in the vinculum (trackback/pingback/webmention drupal 7 module) i just threw mf2 into the repo but that is *not* the true drupal way, i was just trying to get things working quick n durty
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barnabywalters hmm okay, I don’t really know anything about working with drupal and don’t understand how the module system works based on reading that page
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barnabywalters hopefully someone with more Drupal experience can help you
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hongpong yea barnabywalters i am down to work on it more this year, i cant be there today but could try to help ben melancon if he;s going for it. i think we can rename 'vinculum' module to 'linkback' module which would be more intuitive - another dev name squatted there 6 years ago but never released the planned item so they are cool w idea
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barnabywalters hongpong: sounds good! if I can be of any help regarding php-mf2 don’t hesitate to ask :)
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barnabywalters I am also not at MIT today
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Extending Press This in WordPress to support indieweb reply, like and repost by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich https://petermolnar.eu/press-this-indieweb/#comment-11630
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sensiblemn tantek proposes an indieweb event session
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ben_thatmustbeme second room available!
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro++
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Loqi sandro has 29 karma
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sensiblemn sandro+
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sensiblemn +
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aaronpk woohoo
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sensiblemn we are posting to #indiewebcamp on freenode IRC
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sensiblemn so go there
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hongpong hi mlncn wish i could be there
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sensiblemn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UKxiDeWdU
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mlncn hongpong: hi! Are you coming in remotely? Can you get here for after hours or tomorrow?
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sensiblemn talky.io/indiewebcamp
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mlncn hongpong: what do you think about me making a webmention-only module for Drupal 8 rather than trying to upgrade Vinculum?
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hongpong how late does this thing go? i had to miss a couple days for dental stuff last couple weeks
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petermolnar why is talky muted?
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hongpong mlncn do you think the webmention part can be a 'plugin
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hongpong in the new parlance, like a standalone that can load into the other one?
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miklb petermolnar I think aaronpk said he muted it because of youtube feed, but that is down at the moment for me
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petermolnar yt is running for me, but it's not too good
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mlncn hongpong: i'm hoping a part of it can be something that various Symfony projects could grab with composer, in part anyway, but i'm not sure.
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mlncn hongpong: That's my question, is the overhead of the other Vinculum stuff worth keeping in your opinion?
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hongpong mlncn i think the idea of having trackbacks and pingbacks is probably worth preserving. i think the special 400 line http requester thing can probably be replaced with a very light symfony thing.
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petermolnar I have a somewhat stupid proposal for the next time: 3 laptops. a) for camera+mic, b) screen shared to talky c) talky screen to projector
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hongpong mlncn i finally made the counterpart vinculum_sent entity last week or 2 take a look over here for the latest https://github.com/HongPong/vinculum/tree/7.x-2.x
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sensiblemn Dan: drupal session was suggested
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hongpong if u get a proof of concept going maybe it can get rolled in mlncn .. // thanks sensiblemn wish i could attend
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mlncn hongpong: i think that is the approach i'll take. There's no D8 port of Vinculum yet right?
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hongpong mlncn if there is some other module or function that can replace the thing in vinculum which goes out to check other sites to validate the incoming links, that is the bulkiest part, so anything lighter would solve the heaviest
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mlncn ah cool
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sensiblemn ben_thatmustbeme suggests a mobile UI session
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hongpong okay mlncn , no there is no port of anything yet. i figured i should get d7 in better shape first and only got back to it the last couple weeks. this year i will be able to get more into D8 so i am optimistic
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annbass Samir: trying to make my web site as "light" as possible ... CSS / Javascript / (?)
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tantek what is a static site generator?
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Loqi Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indiewebcamp.com/static_site_generator
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tantek annbass: ^^^
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annbass thanks
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annbass (Dmitri suggested a possible session on static site generator
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tantek Samir wants a fast and lightweight website without so much javascript
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petermolnar I could help with that if I was there :(
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petermolnar stupid continents
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sensiblemn what's the deal with continents anyways?
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petermolnar sensiblemn you mean everything was better back in the days of Pangaea?
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sensiblemn those were the days. continents are silos man!
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sensiblemn Pangaea is the indieweb of continents
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annbass1 am I here?
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petermolnar yes, you are
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annbass1 just trying connecting to chat via "chat log" link at indiewebcamp.com (menu at left)
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sensiblemn what is private messaging?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/private_messaging
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sensiblemn loqi, are you a guy or girl?
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Loqi i'm pretty sure i am a guy
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sensiblemn loqi, are you a boy or a man?
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Loqi i am a boy
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petermolnar https://aaronparecki.com/2011/02/12/4/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot
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sensiblemn loqi, how old are you?
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Loqi yeah!
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Loqi the Friendly IRC Bot
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annbass1 but .. when I post something, it pops up a small window saying that it's connecting .. which i then manually have to close
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sandro Loqi, are you hungry for lunch?
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Loqi sandro: tantek left you a message on 3/7 at 12:37pm: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek welcome back sandro ;)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Plan for Drupal 8" by HongPong https://www.drupal.org/node/2687129
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hongpong how does loqi know like everything i am doing in the world
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hongpong i hope i have not been inadvertently spamming this chan for a year :/
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barnabywalters hongpong: if loading external libraries using composer is an acceptable thing to do in Drupal, php-mf2 is installable using composer
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barnabywalters in fact that’s the recommended way of installing it and keeping it up to date
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hongpong yes drupal 8 should be able to pull in a composer thing. i have not fiddled with composer in d8 yet barnabywalters
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barnabywalters maybe that would be a good place to start
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hongpong that makes sense to me barnabywalters
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sensiblemn we are now eating burritos
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miklb will there be live feed for any of the sessions this afternoon?
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sensiblemn i believe so, yes
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sensiblemn at 2pm Eastern Time we have #Drupal and #MobileUI listed
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sensiblemn at 3pm we have IndieWeb Feed Readers, including Woodwind
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sensiblemn at 4pm we have Fast & Light web sites
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sensiblemn and at 5pm we have Migrating Silo Content to IndieWeb sites
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KevinMarks is there a wiki grid?
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sensiblemn KevinMarks: I haven't updated the wiki much before, but tried to get some sessions up on the grid
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sensiblemn everyone: please let me know if I messed something up.
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barnabywalters sensiblemn: looks good to me! you can always look at pages for previous IWC events to see how we did it before, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Schedule
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@CaptainKurtis RT @HongPong #Indiewebcamp is live at MIT VIDEO here > https://www.youtube.com/ & IRC freenode channel #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/709424630637989890)
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sensiblemn barnabywalters: thanks!
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@GEO_Collective RT @mickymetts 2 days at MIT - 3/14 -3/15 -IndieWebCamp -https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT There is almost a module! @drupalplanet @DrupalAssoc @USFWC @BioRAFT_dev (twitter.com/_/status/709425744246517762)
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KevinMarks can you put them on the wiki?
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sensiblemn KevinMarks: i already did?
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sensiblemn https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Schedule#Monday_March_14.2C_2016
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sensiblemn right now there is IndieWeb #Intro by aaronpk and Indie #events by tantek
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KevinMarks ah, the schedule has nothing for 1pm or 2pm
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sensiblemn http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/2015
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gRegorLove Am I reading right that there's two rooms? I can update it.
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sensiblemn oops
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sensiblemn wrong link
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annbass aaronpk giving intro to IndieWeb
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sensiblemn http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/intro
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annbass welcome Samir!
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sensiblemn here's the other session going on right now: http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/events
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ben_thatmustbeme is anyone taking notes on etherpad?
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ben_thatmustbeme in the intro room?
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sensiblemn i can
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sensiblemn sorry, didn't start yet
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tantek NOTE: etherpad.indiewebcamp.com is HTTP-only - not HTTPS
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sensiblemn ah, ok
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sensiblemn if anyone else is watching the intro session livestream, please help take notes at http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/intro
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tantek !tell tbrb,rhiaro looks like Edinburgh 2015 sessions never got archived from Etherpads to the wiki - (e.g. Events). https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh Could you create wiki pages for each of those and copy the Etherpads into them?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebCamp MIT 2016" by benjamin melançon https://mlncn.withknown.com/2016/indiewebcamp-mit-2016
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miklb I'm not seeing a live feed on youtube. Is there an updated link?
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sensiblemn miklb: is this one working? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UKxiDeWdU
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sensiblemn we are migrating rooms right now
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KevinMarks which session is talky in? 'cos it's muted
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miklb sensiblemn that just gives me an archive of the introductinos
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miklb s/introductinos/introductions
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Loqi miklb meant to say: sensiblemn that just gives me an archive of the introductions
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hongpong we are having good discussion about how to deal with webmentions and more with drupal 8 .. a bunch of the veteran peeps chimed in here . https://www.drupal.org/node/2687129 mlncn
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aaronpk talky is back in the Mobile UI session
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KevinMarks it's silent though
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aaronpk even the new one that i just added?
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KevinMarks still muted
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KevinMarks the one showing the desks is muted; the one showingt he screen is slient
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aaronpk now i just crashed chrome
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ben_thatmustbeme is the drupal room on here?
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ben_thatmustbeme the schedule added more time for you
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aaronpk sensiblemn: can you all come down at 3:30 for group photo?
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annbass Hi there, other room ... what time are we supposed to come back? -- Drupal room
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aaronpk 3:30 group photo down by this room
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annbass OK
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tantek KevinMarks: I updated CASSIS to support .xyz for Woodwind, and .wtf for Cassie
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks so I should steal the regex for the python one
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tantek auto-linking gTLDs one real world IndieWeb use-case at a time ;)
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tantek I see no reason to auto-link gTLDs without real world IndieWeb use-cases
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tantek annbass: you all coming down here to do photo?
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KevinMarks did you allow .club?
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tantek (in 32-D463 )
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tantek KevinMarks: who is on a .club
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KevinMarks ah, homebrewwebsite.club is a redirect
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[kevinmarks] I still have some free .club registration cards if someone wants one
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tantek KevinMarks: does someone already have walkintothe.club ?
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kylewm erinjo is .xyz too, so it's not solely my fault ;)
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[kevinmarks] they do tantek
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KevinMarks is it feedreaders now?
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KevinMarks I can hear people, but just see a blank whiteboard
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aaronpk supposed to be feed readers but Kurtis is nowhere to be found
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ben_thatmustbeme what is a birthday?
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Loqi A birthday is the date when someone is born, however in the context of the indieweb, it is a feature displayed on some silos' user profiles that you can (or must) enter, and some prominently present to your friends on the month and day of your birthday, like Facebook's "BIRTHDAYS THIS WEEK" feature at the top of their events page https://indiewebcamp.com/birthday
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aaronpk now feed readers starting
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aaronpk http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/readers
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KevinMarks I could demo with woodwind/known
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annbass can you hear us, KevinMarks? Kurtis likes your offer
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annbass or, someone else in room will do it
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kylewm Someone having trouble logging into woodwind? Seeing some errors decoding json "ValueError: Extra data: line 18 column 2 - line 20 column 1 (char 408 - 686)"
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KevinMarks ok
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annbass they're logging into talky
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aaronpk KevinMarks: go to https://talky.io/indiewebcampdemo and share your screen
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KevinMarks done
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aaronpk one sec
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KevinMarks though the syndicate buttons are lacking icons for me
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aaronpk turns out talky doesn't work with the Tor browser
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aaronpk surprise surprise
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sensiblemn zoinks
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aaronpk now kevinmarks is demoing Woodwind
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aaronpk (no pressure kylewm)
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ben_thatmustbeme pressure kylewm
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tantek kylewm: I added .xyz to CASIS auto_link just for Woodwind ;)
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tantek s/CASIS/CASSIS
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Loqi tantek meant to say: kylewm: I added .xyz to CASSIS auto_link just for Woodwind ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme kevin any parting words from the sky?
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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petermolnar I still do it in email :)
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petermolnar and have somewhat similar plans to reply with email sent to specific addresses
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KevinMarks closed the talky tab by mistake there
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KevinMarks you can read it with https://twitter-atom.appspot.com
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KevinMarks I have another twitter-reading model, in my android app
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KevinMarks also there's the gnusocial model
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@csarven After 11+ years of #microformats evangelism/implementation I removed it from my site. My #indiewebcamp hack. Ask me why. Blog post to follow (twitter.com/_/status/709478301379796992)
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KevinMarks it me
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KevinMarks I have a twitter client on my phone that notifies me when anyone I follow says "love" or "proud"
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annbass that's neat, KevinMarks
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KevinMarks (also "microformats" "indieweb" etc)
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KevinMarks whats the other session?
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@mlncn @myriadmystic In reference to our #IndieWebCamp discussion i almost only post links that seem important, usually via https://mlncn.withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/709481251640442881)
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KevinMarks fast and light is very hack friendly
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@CaptainKurtis RT @ChrisAldrich Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and (twitter.com/_/status/709482428302229504)
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KevinMarks have you seen https://cloud.google.com/launcher/
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aaronpk did anyone start taking notes?
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KevinMarks also https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/heroku-button
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KevinMarks https://cloud.google.com/launcher/?cat=CMS
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KevinMarks google, amazon and microsoft all support docker
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tantek http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/installers
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mlncn and digital ocean supports docker, sort of: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-digitalocean-docker-application
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KevinMarks I use heroku, but it's basically static
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KevinMarks gooogle apps for your domain can host appengine apps
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KevinMarks https://apps.google.com/marketplace/u/0/
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KevinMarks is http://bower.io/ another example fo this?
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KevinMarks obligatory xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1654/
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aaronpk oh yes someone mentioned bower for js
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KevinMarks node and npm make it relatively easy to upgrade components and redeploy
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aaronpk is there a way to do that without using the command line?
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aaronpk and could a node app update itself that way?
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KevinMarks at least compared to python/php
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aaronpk python and php have package managers tho
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KevinMarks still probably tricky privilege escalation things to deal with
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KevinMarks they do, but npm is a lot easier, as it was built with remote deployment in mind
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@codenamedmitri Attended my first #indiewebcamp today! Great conversations, good to meet various distributed/indie web people in person. (twitter.com/_/status/709494684150792192)
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KevinMarks did the next session go elsewhere?
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aaronpk we haven't started yet
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KevinMarks ah, OK
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aaronpk on the other end of the upgrade spectrum, apparently MS pushed an update for Windows 7 which updates it to Windows 10 https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4a0asv/warning_windows_7_computers_are_being_reported_as/
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KevinMarks I just heard distant voices
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@mlncn Dear #indiewebcamp, @mickymetts very much wants campaigns like this to be able to be IndieWeb native— sharing… https://mlncn.withknown.com/2016/dear-indiewebcamp-mickymetts-very-much-wants-campaigns-like-this-to (twitter.com/_/status/709496352107929600)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Dear #indiewebcamp, @mickymetts very much wants campaigns like this to be able to be IndieWeb native— sharing images and profiles, videos, and comments and likes" by benjamin melançon https://mlncn.withknown.com/2016/dear-indiewebcamp-mickymetts-very-much-wants-campaigns-like-this-to
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tantek Events, RSVPs, Invitations! http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/events
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bear FYI - heroku is having an outage
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KevinMarks didn't kyle add this to woodwind?
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KevinMarks hm, my site is up but webmention.herokuapp.com looks like it has missing data
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bear the outage report implies that it may not be seen by all apps
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KevinMarks or you can ask foursquare to resolve it
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KevinMarks but yes, venue name + city was the dodgeball trick
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@myfreeweb @sigfig https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config is xdg-open registering itself for *everything*? this didn't pop up on chrome/osx https://twitter.com/myfreeweb/status/709507025416404992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/709507025416404992)
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KevinMarks if you prefix the address with a suite number or room name it googles it and puts it in a random place
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aaronpk haha
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matthiasott.com edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+329) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /edit (+88) "/* Facebook Events */ needs screenshot like create" (view diff)
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@myfreeweb @sigfig hey can you look at https://myfreeweb.github.io/indieweb-components/ – it should only ask for xdg-open when you click Reply (and open twitter) (twitter.com/_/status/709521520339591172)
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kylewm aaronpk: the sort of high-level algorithm here for deciding if you're looking at a feed or a permalink is interesting https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/master/lib/Formats/Mf2.php#L10
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kylewm I'm thinking about discarding webmentions where the source is recognized as a "feed"
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kylewm think that's reasonable?
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[kevinmarks] Hm. Or maybe determine which entry the mention is from?
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[kevinmarks] Could an entry with replies show up as a feed by mistake?
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kylewm aaron's algorithm sort of handles that case -- if one of the entry's u-url is the current url, then it's considered a permalink for that entry and not a feed
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snarfed we decided against picking an entry out of a feed with bridgy publish, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/445 , but the cost of getting it wrong is higher for publish
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Loqi snarfed: barnabywalters left you a message 1 day, 10 hours ago: thanks again for all your excellent work on bridgy — I just started using publish for fb POSSE (rather than twitter->fb auto POSSE) and it was super easy to set up :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-13/line/1457873261521
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