#indiewebcamp 2016-03-20

2016-03-20 UTC
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@wolcen I'm thinking about a mobile-hosted version of Known? Who's with me? #indieweb #withknown Back it up with a #PlatformCOOP hosting service. (twitter.com/_/status/711352926187421696)
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KartikPrabhu err what ^?
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KartikPrabhu Known works in mobile too right?
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aaronpk mobile-hosted sounds like service it from a mobile device instead of a fixed server somewhere
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aaronpk s/service/serving
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: mobile-hosted sounds like serving it from a mobile device instead of a fixed server somewhere
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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KartikPrabhu are up speeds from mobile networks any good though?
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sknebel then why a "hosting service"?
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acegiak kylewm, GWG: smoko is morning tea? myfreeweb: yeah I'm not sure why all the likes and reposts ever are being summed and presented for each page
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acegiak s/page/post/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: kylewm, GWG: smoko is morning tea? myfreeweb: yeah I'm not sure why all the likes and reposts ever are being summed and presented for each post
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acegiak also, hi all
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tantek hello!
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GWG acegiak: Greetings
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acegiak GWG: what were the other words you didn't understand in that post? I'm curious?
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GWG I don't recall.
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acegiak ah dang, ok. lol
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tantek GWG - how are you feeling about Webmentions and WordPress?
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GWG tantek: Matt seems to be closer to my point of view. But most of the WordPress community seems to have decided that linkbacks aren't worth saving.
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tantek that's ok, slower adoption will help give us time to build up our spam defenses, Vouch and otherwise
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tantek e.g. imagine that Matt decides to try Webmention etc. on his own blog first
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GWG I've been trying to lay a foundation in that direction though. The pingback code in WordPress is in need of love.
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acegiak hooray! the rss portion of whisperfollow is now working again!
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acegiak and theoretcially in a non-blocking way!
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acegiak won't take much to get the mf2 bit working again as well
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GWG acegiak: What else is on the agenda?
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acegiak after refactoring whisperfollow?
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acegiak proooobably improving the interface for moodkind
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KevinMarks yay
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KevinMarks does a venue need an address? Or rather, in determining whether an h-card is a venue or a person, address missing implies person
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tantek no
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tantek tons of Foursquare venues have just a pin / latlong - no address
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tantek like summits of hills
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KevinMarks OK, let me invert
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tantek basically, you can have a person or org/venue with *just* a name
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tantek and you do - in W3C specs even
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tantek already marked up with h-card
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tantek orgs obv have org==name per hCard rules
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KevinMarks is there an equivalent of checkin for met a person that isn't just rel="met" ?
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tantek can you rephrase without code? with just a user real world scenario?
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KevinMarks if I want to post "I just met GWG" what is the post type?
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Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indiewebcamp.com/post_type
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tantek lol
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tantek KevinMarks - perhaps see some our old blog posts from 2004-2005 era where we did just that ;)
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KevinMarks https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/4b9dae54a4de2f5e627751bc
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KevinMarks (Siobhan was gathering people to hang out, so we checked into her
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tantek see discussion above about Trammell's beard
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acegiak ok, looks like I've got mf2 parsing working again as well
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acegiak KevinMarks: where should I be following you? your known?
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KevinMarks that's my replies and short posts
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KevinMarks kevinmarks.com is mostly my noterlive stuff
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acegiak kk
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acegiak So the way whisperfollow works is every five minutes it starts this loop: while(rand(0,count(subscriptions)/10 >1){ poll(subscriptions[rand(0,count(subscriptions))]); }
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acegiak s/10/10)/
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Loqi !calc s/10/10)/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: So the way whisperfollow works is every five minutes it starts this loop: while(rand(0,count(subscriptions)/10) >1){ poll(subscriptions[rand(0,count(subscriptions))]); }
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KevinMarks do you do etag/last-modified polling ?
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acegiak I could! I don't
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acegiak I'd have to find a place to store the timestamp
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KevinMarks just thinking, if you do that, then a fair few will be single packet fetch, and you could switch ro round-robin
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KevinMarks or 'poll for n seconds then defer'
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acegiak Unfortunately we've strayed beyond my area of understanding again :/
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KevinMarks The problem with random is that you hit the birthday paradox
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acegiak This true
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KevinMarks so you are more likely to poll the same one twice or miss the one that has updated
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acegiak Yes
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KevinMarks whereas if you walk the list you will hit them all in some number of iteratiosn
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acegiak Yeah
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KevinMarks also, if you do the etag/last-modified 304 thing, you save time on the repolling
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acegiak The problem is I'm using wordpress's built in bookmark class
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acegiak For my subscription/social list
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acegiak But maybe WordPress will let me store custom metadata on a bookmark
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acegiak Cause then I could store last checked timestamp
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KevinMarks looks liek the cahcing stuff does that: https://github.com/kellan/magpierss/blob/04d2a88b97fdba5813d01dc0d56c772d97360bb5/rss_fetch.inc
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KevinMarks https://github.com/kellan/magpierss/blob/04d2a88b97fdba5813d01dc0d56c772d97360bb5/rss_fetch.inc#L154
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KevinMarks so magpie is doing that behind the scenes
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KevinMarks also kellan++
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miklb acegiak are bookmarks a taxonomy ?
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acegiak except I'm not using magpie to fetch
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acegiak because it's not non-blocking
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KevinMarks oh
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acegiak miklb, no, I think maybe they're a post type?
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KevinMarks so then you need to do it yourself, but can pinch kellan's code for it
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miklb acegiak maybe so.
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acegiak yeah, def
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acegiak should I include or ignore the composer vendors folder in my repo?
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kylewm acegiak: ignore
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acegiak ok MF2 parsing confirmed working
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acegiak yaaaay
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acegiak man, I am SO CHUFFED about having Whisperfollow up to this far more reasonable state
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acegiak Whoah, why are there two pages for whisperfollow in the wiki
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acegiak.net edited /reader (+19) "/* acegiak */" (view diff)
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acegiak how do I make one page redirect to another?
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gRegorLove What is the redirect short cut thingy for the wiki?
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Loqi The redirect short cut thingy for the wiki is #redirect [[page]] https://indiewebcamp.com/redirect_short_cut_thingy_for_the_wiki
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gRegorLove acegiak ^
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acegiak awesome
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acegiak.net edited /Whisperfollow () "(-949) /* WhisperFollow */" (view diff)
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acegiak.net edited /WhisperFollow (+321) "/* WhisperFollow */" (view diff)
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acegiak I need to set up a test wordpress install to check that whisperfollow installs properly
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j4y_funabashi morning
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Loqi j4y_funabashi: snarfed left you a message 12 hours, 21 minutes ago: hi! sounds like you noticed the bridgy problems. your site was fetching bridgy response pages over and over for hours/days, as much as 5-10qpm at peak, so i (mostly) blocked your server IP. sorry. :/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-19/line/1458415268608
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Loqi j4y_funabashi: snarfed left you a message 12 hours, 21 minutes ago: let me know once you've fixed that and i'll unblock you! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-19/line/1458415283931
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gRegorLove GWG: Commented on that wptavern post http://gregorlove.com/2016/03/vouch-has-been-implemented-for/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Vouch has been implemented for two CMSes so far in a way that is not very expensive for senders. Referrers are logged and processed to confirm they link to the site. If they do, they’re stored as potential vouch URLs. To select a vouch URL to send ...
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gRegorLove (comment on actual post is awaiting moderation)
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gRegorLove Actually, first time I submitted the comment on the site, a javascript alert popped up saying my comment wasn't added, make sure I entered all the fields. I checked and they were entered, so tried to submit it again. Then got a javascript alert that it wasn't added because it was a duplicate comment.
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gRegorLove So hopefully it shows up there eventually :)
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j4y_funabashi !tell snarfed Oops, sorry about that! I have stopped my processing daemon and will get that fixed today
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@mrshll1001 At this point my site may as well just be a blog with a half-finished Twitter client built in! #indieweb http://mrshll.uk/notes/237 (twitter.com/_/status/711477956963672064)
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webrocker.de edited /2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+305) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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@webrocker Hi @indiewebcamp Numberg folks, looking forward to meet ya https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List // @justb3a @webgefrickel @fredericmarx et al :) (twitter.com/_/status/711513733198159872)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hmm going to test this out next week https://indiewebcamp.com/WhisperFollow #whisperfollow #reader #rss #mf2 #indieweb #wordpress" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/hmm-going-to-test-this-out-next-week-whisperfollow-whisperfollow
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@RikMende Hmm going to test this out next week https://indiewebcamp.com/WhisperFollow #whisperfollow #reader #rss #mf2 #indieweb #wordpress (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/hmm-going-to-test-this-out-next-week-whisperfollow-whisperfollow) (twitter.com/_/status/711513755767574528)
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Loqi [bridgy] Karim Adamescu replied '@RikMende what's this?' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/WhisperFollow (https://twitter.com/KarimAdamescu/status/711515411448242176)
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@RikMende @KarimAdamescu un lecteur RSS intégré a ton site wordpress qui supporte certains des formats/protocols #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/711520419203956736)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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petermolnar hi tantek
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benborges morning all
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petermolnar on the spam defenses - had the hashcash addition idea been dropped?
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tantek petermolnar: I think there was an acknowledgment that it only helps for "mass spam" rather than directed spam
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petermolnar true, like fishing vs spearfishing, but it's still a countermeasurement
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myfreeweb yeah i wanted to do hashcash too
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+173) "/* fix photo plain text title name */ rejecting use of [photo] or [video] at start because Firefox tab names" (view diff)
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myfreeweb only very directed spam would have hashcash & be a valid h-entry reply/like/repost
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tantek I expect that as Webmention adoption grows, spammers will adopt whatever markup they need to
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myfreeweb true
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myfreeweb i still don't get why they're still spamming, rel=nofollow should've destroyed the incentive
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petermolnar free ads
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tantek myfreeweb: that was only one incentive
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Loqi [bridgy] Rick Mendes replied '@KarimAdamescu un lecteur RSS intégré a ton site wordpress qui supporte certains...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/WhisperFollow (https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/711520419203956736)
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tantek getting actual user view impressions (free ads as petermolnar says), and user click-throughs is far more valuable
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tantek this turns out to be the fallacy of rel=nofollow
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@jkphl RT @webrocker Hi @indiewebcamp Numberg folks, looking forward to meet ya https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List // @justb3a @webgefrickel @fredericmarx et al :) (twitter.com/_/status/711525275469799424)
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tantek in addition, silos eventually began abusing rel=nofollow by putting it on second party content (posts on silos) instead of *just* 3rd party content (comments on posts on silos)
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tantek so rel=nofollow is doubly bad. ineffective for intended purpose, and punishes "normal" users
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tantek the punshing in this case is hurting their searchability
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petermolnar by the way, re: wordpress & pingbacks: the wp pingback hooks is terrible; I wanted to add a specific check against sender values and it's basically impossible to do it; no wonder nobody want to save it, it would need to split from the generic xmlrpc core and have much better control over it's incoming requests
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tantek "generic xmlrpc core" yikes
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petermolnar also, the akismet plugin in wp is very agressive, eg. I can't disable it with hooks, even if I wan't to
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tantek what is the akismet plugin?
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petermolnar wp still heavily relies on xmlrpc
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "akismet plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ga
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tantek what is xmlrpc?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xmlrpc" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Gb
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tantek hmm
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petermolnar 10Gb ?! :D
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tantek lol
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loqi.me created /XML-RPC (+135) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek xmlrpc is [[XML-RPC]]
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loqi.me created /xmlrpc (+20) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-20/line/1458476471321 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek getting stuck on function naming as usual
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tantek for: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#fix_photo_plain_text_title_name
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tantek considering ltrim_urls except I really dislike using ambiguous lower/uppercase letters e.g. l vs I
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petermolnar monospace fonts
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petermolnar that'll help :)
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tantek also the challenge of naming a function by what it does or its primary use
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petermolnar tantek have you ever see drupal <= 6's code?
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tantek no
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petermolnar if you're feeling like horror night, do so
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tantek hmm I have "get_in_reply_to_urls"
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tantek and "tw_url_to_status_id"
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tantek and a bunch more ..._url_to_...
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tantek and a bunch of ..._uri functions. sigh. likely from early on
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petermolnar they used dynamically generated functions in PHP eg. $x = create_function ($args, $code); $x($other_args); It was terrifying.
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tantek nope nope nope
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tantek ok thinking: trim_leading_urls
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tantek since it's a new function (URLs) and the "L" in leading should cause cognitive bias to read urls as URLs
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tantek hmm - seems to be working locally on both Atom entry titles and permalink <title>s - let's see what happens live
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tantek deployed
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tantek !tell snarfed check your feed reader to see if the titles on recent posts improved
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek since this is a new function I'm going to let it back on tantek.com for a bit before committing it to github
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tantek s/back/bake
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Loqi tantek meant to say: since this is a new function I'm going to let it bake on tantek.com for a bit before committing it to github
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tantek "trim_leading_urls" if you're curious
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tantek anyone else here use a feed reader? shaners?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+60) "DONE: fix photo plain text title name (finished minimum needed), move remaining thoughts to: improve photo plain text title name, note finished today, use-cases" (view diff)
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j4y_funabashi Woo! my site is now hosted on a raspberry pi! feels good to not be reliant on digital ocean and have my data in-house
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi sounds good, but I have a question: how and where do you back it up?
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petermolnar also, be careful with rpi power sources, mine recently blow a 3A fuse...
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tantek what is raspberry pi?
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Loqi Raspberry Pi is an inexpensive computer board popular among hobbyists https://indiewebcamp.com/Raspberry_Pi
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j4y_funabashi petermolnar: at the moment all post data + files are stored on an external hard drive mounted on /media/BACKUP. Next step is to add a cron job dir to push that to s3
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j4y_funabashi I have read that about the power but have never experienced it myself
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tantek.com edited /Raspberry_Pi (+219) "IndieWeb Examples / Jay" (view diff)
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tantek j4y_funabashi: I added a stub - could you perhaps add details here? https://indiewebcamp.com/Raspberry_Pi#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek and congrats!
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tantek would be great to have you capture those details about your setup on the wiki page there
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tantek to hopefully help others do so as well!
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi s3 is OK, local backup is not enough. It used to be, when critical things were not (only) digital, but a remote location backup is a must.
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j4y_funabashi Main concern at the moment is that my IP might change as my ISP (virgin) dont seem to offer static IP's but I think I am just going to deal with that if/when it happens
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi use digitalocean dns
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petermolnar they have an api which you can call to change ip
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j4y_funabashi tantek: will do
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snarfed petermolnar: re akismet, it's pretty straightforward to disable it for eg just webmentions:
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi http://pastebin.geany.org/uwDCo/
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snarfed function unspam_webmentions($approved, $commentdata) {
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snarfed return $commentdata['comment_type'] == 'webmention' ? 1 : $approved;
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snarfed }
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snarfed add_filter('pre_comment_approved', 'unspam_webmentions', '99', 2);
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Loqi snarfed: j4y_funabashi left you a message 6 hours, 19 minutes ago: Oops, sorry about that! I have stopped my processing daemon and will get that fixed today http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-20/line/1458461028957
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 28 minutes ago: check your feed reader to see if the titles on recent posts improved http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-20/line/1458482106081
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j4y_funabashi petermolnar: I'm not sure I understand do you mean they provide a service like dyndns?
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tantek welcome back snarfed!
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snarfed :P
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tantek (really curious to hear if my Atom entry title fix worked for you)
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snarfed i don't know! your items look the same right now, but newsblur may not re-render old items. not sure.
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi they provide free dns hosting. if you point you domain's ns records to their server, you can use that as dns server. they also provide an api to make changes to those domain records, therefore yes, it's a free dyndns with your own domain.
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tantek snarfed, dang. maybe I need to post a new photo or something?
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j4y_funabashi petermolnar: ok, so I would need to write a little script to monitor my external IP and ping their api when it changes?
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petermolnar yes
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snarfed tantek: no hurry. eyeballing your new atom, it does look good, but i don't know what it looked like before
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snarfed i'll keep you posted
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j4y_funabashi cool
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tantek (so to speak ;) )
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snarfed heh
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j4y_funabashi petermolnar: you said s3 is ok, do you have any other similar services you prefer?
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petermolnar I have a home server (my previous laptop, a bit tweaked) and a rented server in a different country, so there short answer is no, I do not prefer '... as service' solutions :)
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petermolnar the longer story involves the lack of rsync, the mistrust of how long a business operates and costs :)
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j4y_funabashi Good point
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j4y_funabashi but I guess you have to trust someone if you want offline backup?
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petermolnar I recently dug into long term archival topic (again); the last time I checked magneto-optical disks for a fortune or LTO for an arm and a leg were the options; nowadays either plain blu-ray or m-disk is a viable offline archival for surprisingly long term (m-disk is "clinically" proven ~600 years?, whereas plain blu-ray, according to Panasonic, should be 20-25 years, which I can accept )
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j4y_funabashi although I have been looking and microSD cards are pretty damn cheap now (£60 for 128GB!)
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petermolnar sure
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petermolnar but they start losing charge in ~5 years
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petermolnar I planned to make a little device, solar powered, with a few sd slots, that fsck each card every couple of months, otherwise cuts power to the slots
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petermolnar but I'd much more complicated than blu-rays :)
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j4y_funabashi haha yeah a little
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Loqi hehe
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petermolnar s/I'd/it'd
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: but it'd much more complicated than blu-rays :)
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petermolnar but I am actively using an sd-card, normally unmounted, as OS/home partition backup in my laptop
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petermolnar in case the SSD dies
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j4y_funabashi I like the idea of keeping data on micro SD cards and maybe posting/giving them to a friend every few months, kind of them like an incremental snapshot
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tantek snarfed: posted.
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snarfed tantek: yay, worked!
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Loqi :D
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tantek did it fix the earlier titles too?
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tantek or are those still cached?
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snarfed still cached, but no matter
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petermolnar j4y_funabashi a colleague of mine advised to put the sdcard in an envelope, (royal mail ) post it to a nonexistent address in the UK to some hilariously remote location, fsck when it comes back, rinse, repeat, that should be off-site enough :)
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j4y_funabashi haha excellent
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j4y_funabashi 301 /dev/null lane, Devon, UK
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tantek snarfed, ok well at least they'll disappear over time
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tantek I assume the sunrise emoji made it through to your feed reader ok
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tantek (it did show up in the Firefox tab name so that's pretty cool)
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snarfed yes!
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tantek !tell shaners thanks to your and snarfed's persistence I think I've finally fixed the "my photo post titles look bad in your feed readers" problem - give it a go (maybe reload my feed?) and see how it does. Appreciate the patience!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[jgarber] Good morning, all! I’m having a bit of recent trouble with Bridgy and Instagram. I posted a gist here detailing the problem: https://gist.github.com/jgarber623/fb5b7701e1c89fc9d42f Has anyone else been having issues or know what might be going on?
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snarfed [jgarber]: yeah, that could be due to recent bridgy changes
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snarfed shouldn't be, but could be
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[jgarber] snarfed: Ah, okay. Is there something I should change on my side or anything I should read up on (changelog, etc.)?
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snarfed i'll look
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[jgarber] Cool, thanks. Appreciate the help!
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[jgarber] There may be an unrelated issue with Instagram comment Bridgy pages. There’s no longer markup linking back to my original post on pages like https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/instagram/jgarber/1205807380650466079_1103525/1206215146179336475 (which should link back to https://sixtwothree.org/photos/33)
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Loqi [Dan] Aw. I miss seeing those things, and the handsome beardo sitting in front of them.
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Loqi [Jason Garber] https://assets.sixtwothree.org/uploads/photos/33/image_medium.jpg
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snarfed hey kylewm, does bridgy OPD handle multiple inline h-feeds in a single page? eg [jgarber]'s home page
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snarfed i think so but wanted to check
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kylewm snarfed: i think so, i think that was something we added after the original version. checking now.
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snarfed otherwise [jgarber] my guess is it's that we recently capped original post discovery to 10 items per feed. that's usually fine, but maybe i did it wrong and count per page, not per feed, and your page is structured so that there are always 10 non-photo items first :P
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kylewm snarfed: yup, confirming that we support multiple h-feeds
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snarfed inline in a single page?
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snarfed cool thx
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snarfed then it's probably the 10 cap. i'll fix
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/commit/c9e30a223cc6ed760b19046517627bd5f3805ca0
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[jgarber] snarfed kylewm Yessir, you gents added multiple h-feed support after my use case came up a couple months back. :smile:
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[jgarber] snarfed Excellent, so the change will be “10 newest per h-feed”…?
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snarfed [jgarber]: yeah
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snarfed open to other suggestions!
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[jgarber] snarfed: :+1::skin-tone-2: Works for me!
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snarfed technically just top 10, we dp reorder
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snarfed er, we don't reorder by dt-published or anything
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[jgarber] Ah, right. “First ten in markup order within an h-feed."
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snarfed yup
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snarfed thanks for reporting!
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[jgarber] Sure thing! And thank you all for the quick help. For the Instagram comment Bridgy pages thing I mentioned above, should I add an Issue on GitHub?
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snarfed nah, i'm fixing it now
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snarfed thanks though
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[jgarber] :+1::skin-tone-2:
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@sl007 @voxpelli the discovery of the endpoint "as crossbrowser as possible" part of Web-Sign-In spec, just a wish. Wanna #attend #indiewebcamp #dd (twitter.com/_/status/711579689786150912)
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[jgarber] snarfed: Just received a bunch of Instagram webmentions from Bridgy. Thanks for the fix!
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snarfed [jgarber]++ thanks for the report!
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[jgarber] It did crop up another issue I’ve been noticing with Instagram/Bridgy. I just received this webmention (a like from Instagram) and it 404s: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/instagram/jgarber/1209772906397506551_1103525/918532153
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snarfed kylewm++ for the implementation idea
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Loqi kylewm has 307 karma
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[jgarber] snarfed: Sure thing! Happy to help out. :simple_smile:
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snarfed huh looking
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[jgarber] On the 404 issue, I’ve seen that happening infrequently and _only_ with Instagram likes. I can provide more URLs if it’d be helpful.
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snarfed [jgarber]: it's possible that person liked it, we saw that, and then they unliked it
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snarfed bridgy's wm succeeded, ie when your site first fetched that source url the first few times, it 200ed
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snarfed it only started 404ing ~10m after the wm
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snarfed seems unlikely, but possible
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snarfed (instagram's API says that user doesn't currently like that photo, so 404 is technically the right response)
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[jgarber] Weeeeeeird… It’s tough to debug on the front-end, of course. Comparing the three Bridgy’d Instagram likes here (https://sixtwothree.org/photos/38) vs. the eight here (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDJ-gx4txv3/)
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Loqi [Jason Garber] https://assets.sixtwothree.org/uploads/photos/38/image_medium.jpg
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[jgarber] The “liked then un-liked” scenario you outline makes sense that that would 404.
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[jgarber] The difference in like count on my site vs. on Instagram would be due to…? The sad reality of getting data out of Instagram? Private accounts? Some combination of things?
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[jgarber] (Don’t mistake that as a complaint! Mostly curious about the various reasons likes may or may not make it back to my site.)
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snarfed instagram's API says 8 people have liked that photo but only actually says who 4 of them are
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snarfed i'd guess the other 4's accounts are protected
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snarfed not sure about the 3 vs 4
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snarfed indieweb/mf2 doesn't currently have a way of saying "n more people liked this photo but i don't know/can't tell you who"
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[jgarber] snarfed: Heh, two of the eight are private, one of which was sent as a webmention. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[jgarber] Instagram, your API is _crazy_.
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snarfed bridgy instagram will all change again soon due to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603
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[jgarber] The other private account on this particular photo I frequently get webmentions from. It’s far from the end of the world. The inconsistency is what I had a hard time figuring out.
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[jgarber] Ah, yeah, I’ve been following that from a distance.
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[jgarber] That… _might_ be an improvement in consistency at the expense of just about everything else.
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snarfed whee
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 28 minutes ago: thanks to your and snarfed's persistence I think I've finally fixed the "my photo post titles look bad in your feed readers" problem - give it a go (maybe reload my feed?) and see how it does. Appreciate the patience! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-20/line/1458485905100
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@webgefrickel @webrocker @indiewebcamp @justb3a @fredericmarx Yeah, das wird n Fest :) (twitter.com/_/status/711620127805022208)
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[shaners] Tantek. New post looks good in my reader (Reeder.app). I haven't un/re-subscribed to see if it fixed old posts too. But does that much matter?
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Loqi [bridgy] Steffen Rademacker replied '@webrocker @indiewebcamp @justb3a @fredericmarx Yeah, das wird n Fest :)' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/webgefrickel/status/711620127805022208)
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gregorlove.com created /akismet_plugin (+21) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-20/line/1458476463826" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Snarfed: not having a way to give a count of likes is interesting. That sounds a bit like hreview-aggregate http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-aggregate
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Loqi hReview-aggregate 0.2
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[kevinmarks] Which is not one we have upgraded to mf2 yet
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[kevinmarks] It's not quite the same, as it was defined for 5 star review averages.
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[kevinmarks] But a similar principle
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[kevinmarks] Given that we (well, Ben anyway) are doing reacji counts, it might be worth thinking about how to mark the summary version of these up
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gregorlove.com edited /Akismet (+200) "/* Indieweb Examples */ move to previous" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Does Known use Akismet or any other anti-spam measures for local comments? Looking through the code all I noticed was the extra text field that shouldn't be filled in.
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aaronpk that trick is surprisingly effective
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gRegorLove Aye. I was considering starting with that rather than one-time email authentication.
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aaronpk i just realized the mailchimp signup form also uses that trick
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gRegorLove Was curious how much/if any local comment spam benwerd, kylewm, others receive
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aaronpk you're adding local comments?
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gRegorLove Eventually. It's the project I keep coming back around to :)
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aaronpk why?
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gRegorLove Almost had a Persona implementation working when I found out it was shutting down.
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gRegorLove Because I've had them for years and like the ability to leave comments directly.
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gRegorLove The majority of people who read my blog don't have their own site to reply on and I don't want FB/Twitter backfeed to be their only option.
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aaronpk what happened with me was I started getting really low quality comments, like people asking for tech support on stuff I was writing about
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aaronpk I can only imagine the disaster of a comment thread that would occur if my OAuth article supported local comments
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gRegorLove Hehe
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gRegorLove Yeah, I haven't written many technical articles
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myfreeweb best local comment system: https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js :D
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gRegorLove I'd be interested what the local comment quality is like on Known sites
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gRegorLove I honestly care more about letting my circles of friends comment on stuff easily over the possibility of low quality comments from people I don't know.
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aaronpk I guess that was the problem, I wasn't getting any actual comments from friends anymore
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gRegorLove kylewm: Is p-author missing from your permalink pages? Seems I only see a child h-card of the h-entry here: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2F2016%2F03%2Funtitled-33
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KevinMarks is that related to the bug I found with comments markup?
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KevinMarks https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1371
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gRegorLove Not sure.
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gRegorLove I don't think so? I'm looking for authorship of the h-entry, not comments on it.
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gRegorLove checks other Known sites
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gRegorLove benwerd has an author attribute on his h-entry: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwerd.io%2F2016%2Fwe-all-work-in-massively-megalithic-open-plan-offices-now
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KevinMarks I do too and I use the default template, so looks like kyle's mistake