#indiewebcamp 2016-03-19

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snarfed !tell tantek re your feed items, i don't have an opinion on layout, up to you. the photos/videos do currently render in my reader (newsblur), so obviously it'd be nice to keep that.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG How do you indicate on a Github repo that a project is not under active development at this time?
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GWG Chris Aldrich is going around trying every repository I have. Some of them are projects that don't work right now and I haven't gotten back to.
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GWG Or in one case, rolled some of the functionality into another repo
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snarfed GWG: say at the top of the readme, "This project is not under active development at this time" ?
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GWG snarfed: That works
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miklb GWG you can also disable issues
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GWG miklb: I might want to reactivate it at some point. I just am not currently.
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miklb GWG you can re-enable that point. Just an option
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GWG Well, I'll spend some time.going through my old repos.
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[kevinmarks] I strip off http prefix and ellipsis after a number of chars
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[kevinmarks] I suppose I could decode escaped characters too so it looks like the url in the browser
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kylewm +1 I like that idea
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kylewm especially provided you decode *before* truncating
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acegiak Ok so I can now log my mood to my blog through dobby
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acegiak Next task is to get him to prompt me for mood checking at regular intervals
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acegiak S/IMG/ins/
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acegiak Goddamnit autocorrected twice, lol
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GWG acegiak: Interesting
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acegiak I just wish I had an IM solution I liked so I could use something other than irc for that interaction
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GWG It's hard.
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aaronpk GWG: http://unmaintained.tech
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GWG aaronpk: I like that.
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chrisaldrich WordPress folks, when someone references Social and SNAP (eg https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb) which plugin do they mean by "Social"?
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GWG chrisaldrich: Just the person I've been looking for.
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GWG Social is a plugin
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chrisaldrich I presume it's a plugin, but search doesn't help narrow it down and the ones I've seen don't seem to have enough of the functionality I expect them to have...
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GWG https://github.com/crowdfavorite/wp-social
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GWG But it was pulled from the WordPress repo, I think
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chrisaldrich Thanks David. Anything I can do to help you as I'm slowly, but surely coming up to speed on all things WP/IndieWeb?
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GWG chrisaldrich: I appreciate it. I started a lot of projects, and some have been back burnered.
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chrisaldrich Before I go down any rabbit holes, do you prefer SNAP or social for best use with your syndication-links plugin?
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GWG chrisaldrich: I was using SNAP. I never used Social. I integrated existing code. But I'm not happy with SNAP, just don't have anything better. I might try to improve the Bridgy Publish plugin, but it really does require the theme to be set up well.
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chrisaldrich I've been manually plugging in the links, but I'm bound and determined to quit soon.
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kylewm GWG: possible opportunity for a silo.pub plugin?
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chrisaldrich I know that Known syndicates out and automatically pulls in the syndicated links to show on the final post -- it's all very slick and I'd love nothing more than to have my WP install do that as well.
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GWG kylewm: It is an option, yes.
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kylewm GWG: since it wouldn't requirement microformats to be done up all right (which is a pro and also a con)
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kylewm `s/requirement/require`
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GWG kylewm: With WordPress you can't be sure due theming issues.
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GWG But, I did consider it.
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GWG There is just so much to do
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GWG chrisaldrich: Right now, I have a 3 part agenda.
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GWG 1. Handle some bug fix requests and minor changes to Post Kinds.
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chrisaldrich And it ever seems like there's only a handful of us out there. I'm going to see if I can't "infect" a few colleagues in the Los Angeles WP community to help us out.
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GWG 2. Finish up my work on the Indieweb plugin to add in h-card and rel-me. Deprecate the less refined implementation of those from Syndication Links
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GWG 3. Return to fixing location code in SImple Location in preparaton to add check-in and such to Post Kinds.
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GWG chrisaldrich: You know where to find me. My email address is my first name @ my last name .com
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chrisaldrich I'm still trying to read and follow lots of code, but I'm slowly getting there...
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GWG chrisaldrich: Any bugs or features, add as an issue. That is how I keep track of them.
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acegiak I should really update my quickposse plugin to actually populate the "also posted to" fields
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Loqi I agree
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GWG acegiak: Merged your changes. Going to add the option for what the default kind is.
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GWG I have one site where I want it to be article, not note.
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acegiak yeah, makes sense
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acegiak I jsut used note hardcoded cause that's what you have elsewhere
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GWG I'd already made the decision to fix that.
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acegiak yeah, I know
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acegiak but I didn't have any way of knowing how you would implement the default type option so I followed the existing pattern
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acegiak but it's a one line change so it shouldn't be an issue
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acegiak just change 'kind' to get_default_kind()
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acegiak or whatever you call it
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GWG acegiak: I'm agreeing with you.
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GWG I want to get Issues 41 and 37 done this weekend, maybe 28.
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acegiak okiedoke! hard to tell tone over text chat 😄
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acegiak oh, I should send you another tiny pr
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acegiak one line
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GWG On?
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GWG I have the code up now
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acegiak https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/pull/45/commits/738b3ba34372ea5943687966cd77efc439c99beb
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GWG :q
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GWG Done
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acegiak just needed that extra param to be able to make meaningful changes to the display for my moodkind plugin
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chrisaldrich GWG, I'd supposed that some of your repos (esp. the 1+ year old ones with no changes) weren't super active and may not work. Adding a line at the top of the readme's is more than adequate to indicate they may not work, though it's nice to have the chunks of code for mixing/matching on other things...
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GWG chrisaldrich: I added a lot of the parsing code from Indie-WebActions into Post Kinds and iterated on it. And a few other things like that.
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chrisaldrich I'll slowly figure it all out and not be so bothersome :)
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GWG chrisaldrich: You aren't bothersome.
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chrisaldrich If you sketch out roadmap bits on other portions and leave them in the issue queues, I can peck away at useful functionality and salvage chunks along the way
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GWG I was commenting I had to find you.
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chrisaldrich you can always leave a webmention :) With IndieWeb, I think I may now be too easy to find.
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chrisaldrich I had also just been skimming through the day's prior comments
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chrisaldrich and saw your note looking for me
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GWG chrisaldrich: What are your top itches?
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acegiak So I've just merged pfefferle's version of semantic linkbacks and mine, with the salmentions code in it
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acegiak I wonder if it will still work?
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acegiak I guess there's only one way to find out!
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GWG acegiak: Not sure.
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acegiak straps on hardhat and rubber gloves
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acegiak http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/files/2016/03/wp-1458279551041.jpg
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KevinMarks do you need some webmentions, acegiak?
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acegiak Maybe momentarily? First I have a syntax error
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acegiak Kevinmarks, do you support salmentions?
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KevinMarks I'm on known, so maybe?
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KevinMarks I can always send another webmention
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acegiak true, shall we have a go?
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/2016/03/19/21397/ is as good a post as any to test on
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KevinMarks did that send a wm?
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/will-it-be-a-salmention-if-i-reply-to-you
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acegiak I don't see a WM, weird
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acegiak checks log
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KevinMarks if it didn't I can send it with mention-tech
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acegiak yeah, maybe try that
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acegiak got that
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KevinMarks uh oh
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KevinMarks I'm getting ssl warnigns, which emans it may eb retrying this to you a lot
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acegiak oh weird
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KevinMarks did it ping you several tiems?
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acegiak if it did, my system handled it?
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acegiak I just got the one comment
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acegiak did you get a webmention back from me for my comment?
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acegiak on your post?
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KevinMarks hasn't shown up
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KevinMarks I don't have logs as it's hosted known
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acegiak let me try sending one manually
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KevinMarks or I can
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KevinMarks OK, onw of those got through
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KevinMarks now I need to mention your original one again?
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acegiak yeah, you mention the original as if you'd updated your comment
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KevinMarks hm, that timed out the first too times
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KevinMarks s/too/two/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: hm, that timed out the first two times
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acegiak really? hmm. interesting
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KevinMarks I may need to raise my timeout
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acegiak my server might be rss polling. I need to address that I think
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KevinMarks hm, looks like i pinged the wrong one
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acegiak Lol
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KevinMarks grr, I am getting both timeouts and insecureplatform warnings
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acegiak hmm. ok this is obviously something I need to address
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KevinMarks well, I should fix the insecure bit
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KevinMarks that's an ssl config thingy for me
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acegiak ah ok
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acegiak I thought it was an ssl thing on my end
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KevinMarks I'm uninsg requests to POST, I shoudl probably use urlfetch
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acegiak ok so It looks like I'm recieveing the webmention but my code can't find the author on the comment
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acegiak might be my code though. I'll take a look
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KevinMarks it gave a blank icon for my original comment
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KevinMarks I seem to have 5 second timeouts which is a little bit sulky
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KevinMarks very google to assume everyone is in a nearby datacentre
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acegiak hmm. weird
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KevinMarks trying to set them higher
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acegiak I don't understand why it's taking that long
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KevinMarks well, we are in differrnt continents
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acegiak I guess so, but my connection is an NBN connection
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acegiak I would expect it to not take THAT long
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acegiak anyway, at least one has gotten through it seems
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acegiak but the parsing is the problem
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KevinMarks there's comment with an h-cite with an h-card?
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acegiak yeah, I'm trying to work this out
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acegiak I think I should go get some lunch and then come back and work on this
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acegiak fiddling with the parsing could take a while
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KevinMarks OK, I'm going to keep fiddling wiht my fetch code to try and clear up the errors so you may get some more pings to ignore
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/indieweb-websites-the-way-they-were-meant-to-be#post-8172194 > chrisaldrich on "IndieWeb: Websites the Way They Were Meant to Be!" (twitter.com/_/status/711052716303323136)
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Loqi [indieweb] "chrisaldrich on "IndieWeb: Websites the Way They Were Meant to Be!"" by chrisaldrich https://wordpress.org/support/topic/indieweb-websites-the-way-they-were-meant-to-be#post-8172194
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boffosocko.com edited /User:Boffosocko.com (+409) "/* Itches */ added a few things to check out" (view diff)
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acegiak aaaand I'm back
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KevinMarks OK, I think I ma send webmentions OK now
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GWG acegiak: Default setting is almost done.
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KevinMarks having sent them in all the wrong combinations
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acegiak is ok!
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acegiak I'm working on the fact that my parser only really accepts one particular structure of comment->author relationship
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acegiak and I need to re-acquaint myself with the way this library handles mf2
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acegiak and now I'm trying to work with a parrot on my keyboard
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KevinMarks hah
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KevinMarks I thought cats were bade enough
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acegiak parrots are basically cats that can fly
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acegiak and are maybe marginally smarter? but like, in an insane person way
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boffosocko.com edited /WordPress/Plugins (+66) "/* POSSE Plugins */ concatenated two versions of Social plugin and updated repository location for it as it's been removed from WordPress.org" (view diff)
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GWG Okay, default kind committed to Github.
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acegiak like, he's grumpy because I got sick of him repeatedly trying to lick my chin? I dunno man
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acegiak GWG: rad!
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GWG Wonder if there is anything else I should add before I commit 2.3.3 to WordPress.org.
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KevinMarks what else is on your itches list?
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GWG KevinMarks, I am trying to get to finishing another project, but I keep jumping back for minor tweaks on this one.
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GWG Including the request for setting a default that wasn't hard-coded and fixing a parsing error
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GWG The two I am considering doing before I return to rel me work are optionally setting the title from the title of the URL it is responding to and the ability to send the URL straight into the post editor
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acegiak Is that second one not already a thing?
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acegiak Or am I doing that with prepoppost?
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GWG I want to add a query variable
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acegiak Yeah OK that's what prepoppost does then
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Loqi [indieweb] "Social Networks and Vlogging in 2014" by Kaspars https://kaspars.net/blog/media-publishing/social-networks-vlogging-2014
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acegiak kevinmarks: interesting. my parser is confused because in yours the h-card is a child of the h-cite, not a property of it, which makes sense
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KevinMarks hm
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acegiak Array\n(\n [type] => Array\n (\n [0] => h-cite\n )\n\n [properties] => Array\n (\n [summary] => Array\n (\n [0] => Someone does have to reply to you and then, when the comment appears on your page, you send through an update webmention.\n )\n\n [content] => Array\n (\n
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acegiak [0] => Array\n (\n [html] => \n<p>Someone does have to reply to you and then, when the comment appears on your page, you send through an update webmention.</p>\n\n [value] => Someone does have to reply to you and then, when the comment appears on your page, you send through an update webmention.\n
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acegiak )\n\n )\n\n [name] => Array\n (\n [0] => Someone does have to reply to you and then, when the comment appears on your page, you send through an update webmention.\n\n \n acegiak,\n Mar 19 2016\n on acegiak.net\n )\n\n )\n\n
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acegiak [children] => Array\n (\n [0] => Array\n (\n [type] => Array\n (\n [0] => h-card\n )\n\n [properties] => Array\n (\n [author] => Array\n (\n [0]
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acegiak => acegiak\n )\n\n [name] => Array\n (\n [0] => acegiak\n )\n\n [url] => Array\n (\n [0] =>
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/2016/03/19/will-it-be-a-salmention-if-i-reply-to-you-or-does-someone-need-to-reply-to-me/\n )\n\n [photo] => Array\n (\n [0] => http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/af657ef52d9f1d1d7641cdb4597e8b45\n )\n\n )\n\n
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acegiak [value] => acegiak,\n Mar 19 2016\n on acegiak.net http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/af657ef52d9f1d1d7641cdb4597e8b45\n )\n\n )\n\n [value] => http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/af657ef52d9f1d1d7641cdb4597e8b45\n \n \n \n \nSomeone does have to reply to you
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acegiak and then, when the comment appears on your page, you send through an update webmention.\n\n \n acegiak,\n Mar 19 2016\n on acegiak.net http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/af657ef52d9f1d1d7641cdb4597e8b45\n)\n
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acegiak whoah, sorry, wrong window
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KevinMarks so is it missing a p-author?
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KevinMarks oh weird
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KevinMarks the p-author is on the p-name
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KevinMarks that seems wrong-
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acegiak http://pastebin.com/sicWF6GG <pretty formatted one I was trying to do
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KevinMarks https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/4d51420ec8f3dd35600da6e3159b8f81545d485f/templates/default/entity/annotations/replies.tpl.php#L16
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acegiak weird. that should be fine
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acegiak might be something to do with the ideosyncracies of the library
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KevinMarks no, the markup is wrong
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acegiak yeah but that's not what's causing my particular issue
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acegiak I might have hit that problem further down
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acegiak but not up to that yet:P
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KevinMarks filed a bug for that anyway https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1371
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acegiak omg, there's a case for the pebble time that adds heart rate monitoring
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acegiak things I will get if I find a job
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acegiak aaand I got totally distracted comparing my selfies from january to the ones from yesterday
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acegiak :P
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KevinMarks heh
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acegiak So there's definitely an issue with my server not recieving webmention due to timing out when it's doing it's polling for RSS feeds
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KevinMarks oh
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acegiak which I guess I kind of should have expected
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KevinMarks are you not able to yield when fetching?
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acegiak I don't know what that means :(
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acegiak as in, prioritize the incoming requests?
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acegiak maybe but that's not something I know how to do
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KevinMarks I don't know the PHP for this; basically do the fetch asyncronously, so that you can still respond to requests
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acegiak there is probably a way to do that, yes
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acegiak but whisperfollow is a massive hack over the top of the black box that is magpierss
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acegiak however I'm now getting tempted to rewrite huge swathes of it
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KevinMarks does it loop over all your subs and fetch them?
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acegiak loops over a subset, but yeah
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acegiak picks a random subset of length X every five minutes and polls them
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acegiak it's not a GOOD design
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KevinMarks heh
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acegiak but at the time there wasn't anything else doing the job
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KevinMarks well, for something like that a queue that calls back may be better, so it can still respond to requests
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acegiak yeah, definitely
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acegiak strong temptation to find nice non-blocking php curl library and get rid of magpierss altogether
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acegiak also did you just recieve a webmention from me? (might not have triggered)
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KevinMarks I must admit I ma now spoiled by appengine task queues
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KevinMarks it's noy shown up yet as an email
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acegiak might have to do that one manually because I Think I remember removing the code that did it auto
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KevinMarks I have sent so many myself manually now…
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KevinMarks well, with http://mention-tech.appspot.com/
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Loqi [brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/mention_tech/707770354840838144] 9 days agobrid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/mention_tech/707770354840838144 mentioned mention-tech.appspot.com/ ✅ 9 days ago None
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acegiak yeah, that's what I'm using
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KevinMarks I thik it is sending them reliably now
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acegiak so I just manually sent you an update mention but the update is "hey, there's a comment on this"
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acegiak so if you're able to parse the comment into your comment thread and then send me an update mention then we can have the comment propagate the whole way up
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acegiak interesting that in yours the comment's url is a property of the h-card not the comment itself
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KevinMarks hm, I'm not sure known will pick up the comment on your post
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KevinMarks which one?
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acegiak yeah I don't think know supports salmentions yet
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acegiak http://pastebin.com/sicWF6GG < the permalink of my original post shows up as being a part of the h-card not a property of the author
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acegiak however, that is a minor thing.
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acegiak the main point is:
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acegiak https://acegiak.net/2016/03/19/21397/
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Loqi [Ashton McAllan] Well I’ve merged the latest version of the semantic linkbacks plugin and my salmentions supporting code. Here’s hoping it just works. #indieweb...
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acegiak comment flowed upstream
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KevinMarks I think that is the bug with the author agina, let me look
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acegiak yeah the layout of that section is weird
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acegiak or rather the markup
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KevinMarks that is a mess isn't it
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KevinMarks it needs the u-url on first link not the second
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acegiak and the second link needs to be the u-url for the comment, not the h-card
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KevinMarks and the permalink needs to be outside the h-card for the h-cite
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KevinMarks yes
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KevinMarks it might make more sense to put the h-card on the icon bit instead
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acegiak kinda, yea
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acegiak !tell pfefferle the code has been merged, Ought I not, then, to hope that our two houses maybe reconciled by such an event? https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/commits/master
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak GRR. ARG. Is there something wrong with me that I don't like composer?
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acegiak it seems completely at odds with the way I write php
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acegiak I UNDERSTAND that it is a really good solution to the problem of dependency resolution in php
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acegiak but I don't like the way I have to do it
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acegiak I think I should go and look at some youtube videos about it, obviously I just don't understand
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acegiak looking at better ways to do my messaging with dobby
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acegiak I WANT to like matrix.org
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acegiak I really do
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acegiak but holy shit
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acegiak @bob:bob.com
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acegiak WHAT
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acegiak WHY
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acegiak GODDAMNIT
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Loqi oops
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j4y_funabashi Hey, I am thinking of serving my site from a raspberry pi, does anyone else do this?
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j4y_funabashi I have been having some issues with digital ocean + bridgy and it got me thinking that I am kind of reliant on digital ocean, what if they go down/turn evil etc...
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j4y_funabashi so self hosting seems like a good idea
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acegiak j4y_funabashi: I was planning on doing that with my rpi but then I dropped it and broke the bit of plastic that holds the sd card in place :P
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acegiak but it's certainly doable
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j4y_funabashi aw no!
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acegiak I was trying to work out how to hold the card in with a bulldog clip but kinda just gave up
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j4y_funabashi yeah I already have it all setup serving on my local network, just not made the leap to open ports on the router and setup dyndns etc
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j4y_funabashi yeah, bit of blu-tac maybe? :)
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acegiak I pay my isp for a static IP cause my server also runs my business' website
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j4y_funabashi oh cool, I might look in to that, is it expensive?
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acegiak $10 a month for me which aint cheap but I started it ages ago and haven't bothered shopping around
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acegiak ask your ISP maybe?
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j4y_funabashi yeah thats not too bad, I am paying £5/month for digital ocean and if this were to replace that then I dont mind paying around the same amount
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@sl007 @aaronpk @mahemoff @Paul_Kinlan Any chance to use 'registerProtocolHandler' in Safari or Edge ? #indiewebcamp #düsseldorf #attending ;) (twitter.com/_/status/711136922618490880)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 10 hours, 42 minutes ago: re your feed items, i don't have an opinion on layout, up to you. the photos/videos do currently render in my reader (newsblur), so obviously it'd be nice to keep that. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-18/line/1458346181759
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j4y_funabashi tantek: morning
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tantek j4y_funabashi: morning! in checking the logs I noticed your image seems to 404! perhaps consider updating your /irc-people entry?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-19/line/1458384914629
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Loqi [j4y_funabashi] tantek: morning
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j4y_funabashi oh, sorry about that - will fix that now
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j4y.co edited /IRC_People (+7) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+368) "/* fix photo plain text title name */ morning after thoughts, definitely consider re-using alt text" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+46) "/* improve photo posts */ edit a few details before archiving things done" (view diff)
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tantek j4y_funabashi: nice icon update! distinct, mysterious, and epic when viewed larger
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club (+78) "/* Notes */ SF notes taken in IRC" (view diff)
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j4y_funabashi tantek: haha cheers mate, my friend had a Game of Thrones birthday party and I went as a crow from the night's watch :)
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Loqi hehe
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (+104) "/* Notes */ KevinMarks notes" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks++ again for all his live tweeting / note-taking / posting from HWC SF - seriously helpful for remembering what people got done when (including myself!)
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Loqi KevinMarks has 198 karma
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+463) "/* Post Types */ more automatic POSSEing of photos & video for a while now!" (view diff)
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tantek whoa old Twitter screenshot! http://makers.crew.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OG-Twitter.png
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Loqi [indieweb] "Well the good news is @twitter is keeping the 140 characters limit #twitter #maketwittergreatagain" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/well-the-good-news-is-twitter-is-keeping-the-140
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tantek lolwut
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tantek from the article http://makers.crew.co/chris-messina/
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tantek.com edited /Flickr (+347) "/* POSSE to Flickr */ Why to POSSE" (view diff)
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acegiak ok so I've pared down whisperfollow to just the display element.
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acegiak now I need to work out a good way to do async fetches in php
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j4y_funabashi acegiak: I haven't used it but I think guzzle does async
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acegiak I'm using this at the moment, we'll see if it works
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acegiak I'm just trying to make it so that my machine doesn't start timing out incoming connections when it polls rss feeds
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acegiak https://github.com/barbushin/multirequest
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tantek since "this week in indieweb" goes out on Friday - should we update all the "next-***" events and such latest that morning?
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j4y_funabashi cool, lmk how you get on
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acegiak will do
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tantek e.g. /next-hwc and /next-iwc
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tantek and /Sidebar and /Main_Page and /Events ?
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tantek thoughts?
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aaronpk wouldn't hurt, but the newsletter gets the events list from /events and provides permalinks to the individual event pages, so the only benefit would be people who click the sidebar links after landing on the site some other way
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acegiak ok neat, this library seems to do the async fetch nicely
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acegiak https://github.com/stil/curl-easy/blob/master/tests/TestCase.php
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acegiak s/blob.*//
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: https://github.com/stil/curl-easy/
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tantek aaronpk: could you add that to the Loqi reminder about the newsletter?
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tantek the half an hour warning?
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tantek to update /Events and /next-hwc /next-iwc etc.?
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tantek so those make it into the newsletter
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tantek that way anyone can do it, and the /sidebar stuff we can take care of async
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tantek heads-up indieweb travelers - great conference coming up for independent creators: http://yxyy.us/ - check it out - plenty of us have gone in the past (am going again this year)
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tantek public tickets on sale starting today at noon PDT
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@CaptainKurtis @erinroseglass get them to contribute to FOSS #IndieWeb project @withknown maybe? (twitter.com/_/status/711219309285154816)
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GWG acegiak: Ability to pass kindurl as a variable in the admin has been enabled.
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acegiak kindurl?
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acegiak oh right
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GWG I figured url would be used by something else.
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acegiak like i said, I've already got prepoppost which lets me prepopulate any field in the post editor
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acegiak but still, neat!
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GWG acegiak: I wanted to have simple bookmarklet support. There is a proposal someone gave for a simple editor, such as QuickPress on the Dashboard. This would support that too in the future.
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GWG In the meantime, that closes what I wanted to do for this round of fixes.
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GWG So it's going to the WordPress repo
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb Post Kinds" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/#post-77573
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acegiak neat!
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GWG That puts me back to working on rel-me and h-card in the Indieweb plugin
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GWG Unless something else comes up
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acegiak what does that entail?
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GWG acegiak: The Indieweb plugin will have some identity related features built in. Rel-me widget and so on
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acegiak ohhh
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acegiak I forgot I was doing that manually
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GWG Imagine a new community member just installing the Indieweb plugin and being able to log into the wiki.
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acegiak yeah, would be read
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acegiak rad*
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GWG But right now, it isn't up to where I'd use it. And in the interest of self-dogfooding, I want it to be
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miklb GWG that's my goal with a Jekyll theme I'm working on.
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GWG Life just keeps sidetracking my goals
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miklb is there a pattern library or examples of h-cards in the wild? Not the markup, but front-end uses of?
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tommorris miklb: seems like we need a microformats2 zen garden ;-)
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miklb +1
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tommorris just had a moment of old when I realised there's now working front-end devs who don't know what the CSS zen garden is.
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miklb now the kids have Codepen :-P
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kylewm miklb: how about http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Examples_in_the_wild
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Loqi h-card
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@ipadcloudepos RT @MicropubInfo Flask-Micropub 0.2.6: This extension adds the ability to login to a Flask-based website using IndieAuth (https... https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpypi.python.org%2Fpypi%2FFlask-Micropub%2F0.2.6&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDNlNjg4ODQzODIxNzA0ZmU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNGImgJo2_iefQNsO8hR7s0cdQleoQ (twitter.com/_/status/711232224406929409)
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miklb kylewm yeah, I clicked through a few of those, was just checking to see if anyone had compiled screenshots or documented ways to incorporate in design
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@acegiak Today I worked on indieweb things. Emily was away all day today so I decided to find some - http://acegiak.net/2016/03/20/21432/ https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/711232550287462400/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/711232550287462400)
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GWG acegiak: Should I worry about the words in your post I'm not familiar with?
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kylewm smoko?
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kylewm was wondering about that one myself :P
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myfreeweb acegiak: why do you have uh... "604 likes 131 reposts" on every post?
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myfreeweb (on stream pages)
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@michaelbeil Webmention - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/711235352619515904)
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jonnybarnes is idno still a thing?
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jonnybarnes they’re listed as a sponser in the wiki footer, but the link redirects to withknown.com
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jonnybarnes maybe change the idno logo for a known logo?
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aaronpk idno is now known as Known
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kylewm jonnybarnes: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/20
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kylewm although at this point i think it's a "keep your old clothes bc they will eventually come back in style" kind of thing
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aaronpk oh man, a 2-year old issue to upgrade mediawiki
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/9
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jonnybarnes oooh, theres an issue tracker!
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jonnybarnes ph, I thouhgt Loqi might notify of new github issues
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Loqi :)
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aaronpk he does but in a different channel
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aaronpk maybe i should move those here
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aaronpk oh that's more complicated than it sounds right now, nvm
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aaronpk i'm tempted to switch the wiki to the default Vector skin and just make a few customizations to it
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aaronpk that's the main reason i can't upgrade the wiki right now, the skin we're using won't work with it
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/?useskin=vector needs a little work but isn't horrible
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miklb is there really a wiki skin that is better than "not horrible"
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aaronpk i tried making a mediawiki skin based on bootstrap a long time ago, but then ran into a host of other problems
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myfreeweb current skin is better than default "looks like wikipedia"... except for the visibility of edit/history/etc. links
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aaronpk ugh yeah i don't know what to do about this
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miklb looks like there is a bootstrap skin? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:BootStrapSkin
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kylewm for those that don't know, there's also a custom skin that some folks started on at IWC 2014 http://indiewebcamp.com/?useskin=teahouse
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miklb oh, wait, commercial theme
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miklb that's nice kylewm
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aaronpk there's a lot of problems with the teahouse skin
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/redesign
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aaronpk it also likely needs to be reworked to run in a newer mediawiki installation
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[kevinmarks] I think about "let's use bootstrap" as a "now you have 2 problems" answer
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miklb [kevinmarks] if I was going to embark on it from scratch, I'd agree. If someone else solved the problem using it, I wouldn't take issue
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miklb solved problem being subjective I suppose
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GWG I am back to thinking about multi author vs single author.
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@sikkdays Now, I have to figure out why Bridgy is no longer connected to my @withknown. The Bridgy page says “No webmention targets.” (twitter.com/_/status/711268356372828160)
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snarfed !tell j4y_funabashi hi! sounds like you noticed the bridgy problems. your site was fetching bridgy response pages over and over for hours/days, as much as 5-10qpm at peak, so i (mostly) blocked your server IP. sorry. :/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed !tell j4y_funabashi let me know once you've fixed that and i'll unblock you!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Matt Mullenweg just weighed in on that WP Tavern story
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GWG http://wptavern.com/is-w3c-replicating-the-wordpress-pingback-system#comment-155781
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aaronpk nice
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GWG aaronpk: He's the first person who sees things the way I do, I think.
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GWG That pingback and webmention don't matter, it is what you do with them
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GWG That doesn't mean I don't think webmention is a better mousetrap, but...
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@arielwaldman My 8 year indieweb-iversary, although I did have my own blog prior to http://arielwaldman.com https://twitter.com/arielwaldman/status/711282156316663808/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/711282156316663808)
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@kevinmarks RT @arielwaldman My 8 year indieweb-iversary, although I did have my own blog prior to http://arielwaldman.com https://twitter.com/arielwaldman/status/711282156316663808/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/711283465841278976)
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kylewm Gwg++ nice reply to matt
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Loqi Gwg has 148 karma
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GWG I've been trying to get
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GWG interest in a feature plugin
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kylewm GWG: what's a feature plugin?
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tantek GWG++ nice reply to Matt's comment which itself is spot on.
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Loqi GWG has 149 karma
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GWG Developing a core feature in a plugin as opposed.
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tantek p.s. this is the best part of Matt's comment: "For Webmentions, I really appreciate the optimism and practical get-it-done attitude of the entire IndieWeb community." [in contrast to the naysaying in previous comments especially re: Vouch!]
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tantek btw GWG, Matt does mention some additional spamming methods in his comment which are not yet documented in /spam
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tantek that's an area that you could immediately help with, to take the list of spam techniques that Matt has listed as WordPress having experienced in the real world
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tantek and make sure each one has a citable subsection in /spam
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tantek use-cases as it were
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GWG My only comment is that Vouch should be the focus
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GWG shouldn't, not should
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KevinMarks vouch is a protocol level component, but it implies the existence of a whitelist of responders to display
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KevinMarks a blocklist would also make sense
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aaronpk btw if anyone wants to test out webmention spam in the wild, all you have to do is use the pingback-to-webmention proxy, and then add a fallback rule when there is no h-entry on the page to use the page title instead
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KevinMarks hm, need a better term than whitelist
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aaronpk you'll get all sorts of fun things
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aaronpk check out the comments on https://aaronparecki.com/2012/07/29/2/oauth2-simplified
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] OAuth 2 Simplified
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aaronpk a lot of them are legit, a lot of them are from bridgy, and a lot of them are spam blogs
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KevinMarks mesotheliomacare[.]xyz is my first blocklist candidate
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tantek then why did you post in an archived channel that auto_links to URLs mentioned?
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tantek post *it in
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KevinMarks derp
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aaronpk lol great
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tantek exactly
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KevinMarks aaronpk, can you cleanse
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aaronpk well it doesn't autolink .... for now
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tantek .xyz support is in CASSIS on github thanks to woodwind
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aaronpk edited to example[.]xyz to break autolink
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myfreeweb ".xyz support"
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myfreeweb TLD whitelisting always was a bad idea
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tantek myfreeweb: nonsense. it works, therefore it is a good idea. feel free to propose a *better* idea :)
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@jkphl @vanschneider You could consider adding a little bit of #indieweb to it! http://indiewebify.me #May1Reboot (twitter.com/_/status/711313452162277377)
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tantek whoa what is this May1Reboot thing? https://twitter.com/hashtag/may1reboot
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sknebel http://www.may1reboot.com/
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sknebel "May 1st Reboot is an international relaunch of websites and portfolios by designers, developers & makers around the world. Every year, on May 1st something magical happens. Thousands of designers relaunch or update their website at the same time. One global deadline for all of us, one we can stick to."
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tantek sigh http://www.may1reboot.com/ is js;dr :(
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sknebel oh, yeah. at least it works without third-party js
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sknebel but that site really doesn't need JS
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tantek sknebel: precisely
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sknebel lol, matching "testimonial" on the page: “The May first reboot reminds me of a wonderful time when curious artisans were pushing the bounds of 56k to see what pixels and code could do with clipped bandwidth. I welcome its rebirth.”
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jussipekonen says when ADN closes he'll rely on his website and micro-blog. So I need to make sure he gathers the reply I make from" by Jeremy Cherfas https://www.vaviblog.com/2016/jussipekonen-says-when-adn-closes-hell-rely-on-his-website
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tantek interesting, how do you import replies from ADN?
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tantek what is ADN?
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Loqi App.net (ADN) is a microblogging silo similar to Twitter for posting notes of up to 256[1] characters in length http://indiewebcamp.com/ADN
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@indiewebcamp RT @jkphl @vanschneider You could consider adding a little bit of #indieweb to it! http://indiewebify.me #May1Reboot (twitter.com/_/status/711319607215321089)
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tantek alright let's encourage the may1reboot designers to add indieweb features while they're at it
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KevinMarks tantek did you see http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#unicode_generation_in_JSON
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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tantek "astral plane unicode" WTF
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KevinMarks don't we all ti that any more?
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tantek KevinMarks: can you add a "Proposal:" like the other issues for the precise changes you want, and then open a <div class="discussion"> section subsequently with * +1 etc. ?
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tantek (e.g. like the proposal / discussion in the subsequent issue " ignore u-camelCase properties")
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KevinMarks anything beyond 16 bit unicode is astral plane
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tantek random follow-up thought from photos and checkins -
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tantek a checkin with a photo should be back dated to the date-taken of the photo
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tantek and UI observation - in Swarm, a check with a photo is presented as a checkin, with a photo *comment* below it as first "response" (with separate author icon etc. than the checkin post itself)
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kylewm do y'all have any guidance on determining if an h-card represents a person or venue? (KevinMarks previously offered p-org == p-name to classify something as an org)
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tantek and speaking of IG cross-posting to Swarm. totally going to do that to backfill a checkin since the photo has the geo-information which Swarm accepts. wish it would use the date-taken of the photo as well to back date it
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tantek kylewm: not just kevinmarks offering - that's been the spec for hCard and h-card since nearly the beginning, derived from similar wording in vCard3
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kylewm oh ok
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tantek attempts a citaiton
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tantek looks like I need to move that forward from hCard to h-card. here for now: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Organization_Contact_Info
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Loqi hCard 1.0
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kylewm tantek: are you saying org is the same thing as venue?
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tantek a venue is one kind of org
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kylewm all orgs are venues but not all venues are orgs?
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kylewm i'm thinking like an airport or a park
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tantek not all orgs have a physical presence either
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tantek so not all orgs are venues
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tantek airports are definitely orgs
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tantek but perhaps at finer granularity that breaks down, like a specific terminal or gate #
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aaronpk yeah i'm not sure "org=Gate C4" makes sense
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tantek though they do tend to be org like, in that they have (not always predictable) hours of operation
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tantek but that's what we've used so far
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kylewm replace airport with someone's house/apartment
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tantek no problems have arose yet
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kylewm that's more unambiguously not an org
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tantek haha until people started naming their houses/apartments
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tantek which dodgeball/foursquare kind of made them do
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tantek I think long ago we decided to treat "org" as inclusive of any kind of named venue
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aaronpk yeah the houses I check in to could definitely be considered orgs
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tantek because we couldn't find any pragmatic distinction
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tantek (non-theoretical, non-angels-on-head-of-pin) disctinction
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aaronpk i think it's more important to ask why you really need a programmatic distinction
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aaronpk otherwise you quickly end up in schema.org territory
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tantek and we never found any reason
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tantek right
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tantek so h-card orgs for venues
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tantek see mention of venue here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar
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Loqi hCalendar 1.0
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tantek and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#hCard_locations
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aaronpk i need a distinction for checkins because I want to display checkins differently from how I display a post with equivalent kinds of properties
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Loqi hCalendar Brainstorming
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tantek aaronpk: that's a different question than what kylewm was asking
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tantek point is, no need for anything special for a venue other than an org h-card
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aaronpk yeah i was referencing the discussion yesterday
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tantek I think a checkin comes down to a post with just a venue / location
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aaronpk so far i'm not actually convinced that I need a distinction between people and venue h-cards
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aaronpk but that may change when i actually build out more of the checkin part of my site
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kylewm ok yeah i was asking about venue vs. org for converting to/from activitystreams in granary, but it's not necessarily intended to be lossless so it's fine if there are some differences
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tantek wait AS2 has venue different from org?!?
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tantek SMH
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tantek aaronpk: in the dodgeball days people made up venues for other people's body parts
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kylewm bridgy is mostly AS1
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kylewm s/bridgy/granary
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: granary is mostly AS1
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kylewm I haven't been keeping up with AS2 development
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tantek e.g. during SXSW, Trammel's Beard was a popular venue
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aaronpk here's a post with a venue+location and text content, and it's not a checkin: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/16/5/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Just used an Apple USB-C/HDMI adapter to connect a Windows laptop to a projector. #standards #ftw
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kylewm whoa, that is not what i thought you were going to say re: body parts
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tantek kylewm: I gave a polite example
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kylewm tantek++ for restraint
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Loqi tantek has 280 karma
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tantek speaking of schema org madness, even the Swarm/Foursquare category taxonomy is a mess
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tantek like where is yoga studio?
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aaronpk under Gym/Fitness Center https://developer.foursquare.com/categorytree#Yoga+Studio
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tantek that's like 4 deep
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tantek that's ridiculous
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kylewm aaronpk: i'm pretty well convinced we need p-checkin or somesuch
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kylewm or at least, I'm pretty sure you will need p-x-checkin for your use case
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aaronpk yeah that was an interesting suggestion
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tantek well it's one possible consequence
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tantek the thing is, for events, we already have top level typing from microformats h-event vs h-entry
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tantek but a checkin is so clearly like a post (h-entry) that it really does not deserve its own top level object
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tantek so it's possible that like p-author it may need its own property
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tantek if we're unable to actually use the "order of precedence of properties" approach with existing properties