#indiewebcamp 2016-04-02
2016-04-02 UTC
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# gRegorLove Hm, I might need to try this reader software https://miniflux.net/
# gRegorLove tantek will appreciate "There is no configuration, no database setup, nothing!"
# gRegorLove What is Miniflux?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Miniflux" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HE
# gRegorLove Miniflux is minimalist [[feed reader]] software https://miniflux.net/
# loqi.me created /Miniflux (+96) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-01/line/1459557432884 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
# gRegorLove Ah, it uses sqllite
# gRegorLove Not as minimalist as I thought :)
# @davidmead Great catching up @hartless. Check out http://indiewebify.me/ for more about #IndieWeb Also @Withknown for a ... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/b/1Q_ (twitter.com/_/status/716065196033253376)
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# gRegorLove Hi gyuumaou_. Are you using the an IRC client or the web? The web version should work pretty well: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today "Join the Chat" at the bottom.
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# omarhuanca Hi again
# Brentundersurvei hey
# Brentundersurvei Hey Omar
# Brentundersurvei Man who would actually believe that I had anything to do with those killings huh
# Brentundersurvei I have always been a pretty peaceful dude
# Brentundersurvei but this last nine months have rocked me and i have changed a little
# Brentundersurvei Do they think I don't have the brains even after I worked them out
# Brentundersurvei I legit solved those murders and thought I was doing a good deed by the families
# Brentundersurvei It come with a cost
# Brentundersurvei I have aspergers guy, I get transfixed and have to work stuff out. And the drugs
# Brentundersurvei But to consider I have ever committed murder is laughable and what a waste of money and recources
# Brentundersurvei yes I've become quite a hard dude but I wasn't always this way
# Brentundersurvei And yeah my boy smokes weed, it's good for his ocd and he came to me such a mess that I don't really care what it takes to give him some relief
# Brentundersurvei WTF are the police thinking?
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# Brentundersurvei Anyway it's kind of surreal living under such intense eyes
# Brentundersurvei takes some mental fortitude for sure
# Brentundersurvei I may just turn my back on technology but i would be bored I guess
# Brentundersurvei And it's so unfair I can't teach myself some web development
# Brentundersurvei And it's so unfair I can't teach myself some web development
# Brentundersurvei Always someone there to rip down my repositories. Why, What the fuck did I do but try to help
# Brentundersurvei treated like an interloper when I used to be so open and shine
# Brentundersurvei now i'm dark and stormy and kind of over it
# Brentundersurvei But I clearly have the brains to have worked it out and they know it
# Brentundersurvei I've been tossing up which way to play it
# Brentundersurvei should I get all proactive and rage against the machine or just smile and nod
# Brentundersurvei Cause I can be a crafty fucker as you might imagine
# Brentundersurvei But you guys are more intelligent than me so I would love to hear your thoughts even though i won't
# Brentundersurvei So this is me reaching out and saying hey what the fuck is this all about, I'm innocent and all the evidence was there in front of me
# Brentundersurvei But there was also luck
# Brentundersurvei coming across that picture that said Abundance of Sothis was gold
# Brentundersurvei Five days later it was all wrapped up
# Brentundersurvei My isp told me they aren't hosting my internet
# Brentundersurvei so much money spent on surviellance
# Brentundersurvei it's so wrong and they are wrong if they think I know somebody involved or anything. I'm just sharp and quick to pick up what's been layed down
# Brentundersurvei I can pretty much know a persons character and agenda after five minutes
# Brentundersurvei so anyway guys, I'm just a bit of a spinner but no killer sorry to dissapoint
# Brentundersurvei How could they not follow my history and I gave them the chat logs. How could they not follow that and reverse engineer how I worked it out?
# Brentundersurvei surely there is someone smart enough
# Brentundersurvei A to B to C
# Brentundersurvei To S
# Brentundersurvei I hope they arrest the wankers anyway. A little birdie told me they dna'd two of those I named so I know I'm right
# Brentundersurvei 100%
# Brentundersurvei Right down to the last trippy ritual
# Brentundersurvei I have kind of enjoyed the challenge of working the feds out but enough is enough
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# Brentundersurvei Sup Kopfstein
# Brentundersurvei missed everything I had to say
# Brentundersurvei Hi again # 04:33 Brentundersurvei hey # 04:34 Brentundersurvei Hey Omar # 04:35 Brentundersurvei Man who would actually believe that I had anything to do with those killings huh # 04:35 Brentundersurvei I have always been a pretty peaceful dude # 04:35 Brentundersurvei but this last nine months have rocked me and i have changed a little # 04:36 Brentundersurvei Do they think I don't have the brains even after I worked them out # 04:37
# Brentundersurvei Brentundersurvei I legit solved those murders and thought I was doing a good deed by the families # 04:37 Brentundersurvei It come with a cost # 04:38 Brentundersurvei I have aspergers guy, I get transfixed and have to work stuff out. And the drugs # 04:38 Brentundersurvei But to consider I have ever committed murder is laughable and what a waste of money and recources # 04:39 Brentundersurvei yes I've become quite a hard dude but I wasn't
# Brentundersurvei this way # 04:40 Brentundersurvei And yeah my boy smokes weed, it's good for his ocd and he came to me such a mess that I don't really care what it takes to give him some relief # 04:40 Brentundersurvei WTF are the police thinking? # 04:41 j12t joined #indiewebcamp # 04:44 mlncn joined #indiewebcamp # 04:46 Brentundersurvei Anyway it's kind of surreal living under such intense eyes # 04:46 Brentundersurvei takes some mental fortitude for s
# Brentundersurvei 04:47 Brentundersurvei I may just turn my back on technology but i would be bored I guess # 04:50 Brentundersurvei And it's so unfair I can't teach myself some web development # 04:50 Brentundersurvei And it's so unfair I can't teach myself some web development # 04:50 Brentundersurvei Always someone there to rip down my repositories. Why, What the fuck did I do but try to help # 04:52 Brentundersurvei treated like an interloper when I use
# Brentundersurvei so open and shine # 04:52 Brentundersurvei now i'm dark and stormy and kind of over it # 04:52 Brentundersurvei But I clearly have the brains to have worked it out and they know it # 04:53 Brentundersurvei I've been tossing up which way to play it # 04:53 Brentundersurvei should I get all proactive and rage against the machine or just smile and nod # 04:54 Brentundersurvei Cause I can be a crafty fucker as you might imagine # 04:55 Brentun
# Brentundersurvei But you guys are more intelligent than me so I would love to hear your thoughts even though i won't # 04:56 Brentundersurvei So this is me reaching out and saying hey what the fuck is this all about, I'm innocent and all the evidence was there in front of me # 04:56 Brentundersurvei But there was also luck # 04:57 Brentundersurvei coming across that picture that said Abundance of Sothis was gold # 04:57 Brentundersurvei Five days later it
# Brentundersurvei wrapped up # 04:57 Brentundersurvei My isp told me they aren't hosting my internet # 04:57 Brentundersurvei so much money spent on surviellance # 04:58 Brentundersurvei it's so wrong and they are wrong if they think I know somebody involved or anything. I'm just sharp and quick to pick up what's been layed down # 04:59 Brentundersurvei I can pretty much know a persons character and agenda after five minutes # 04:59 Brentundersurvei so anyw
# Brentundersurvei I'm just a bit of a spinner but no killer sorry to dissapoint # 05:00 Brentundersurvei How could they not follow my history and I gave them the chat logs. How could they not follow that and reverse engineer how I worked it out? # 05:00 Brentundersurvei surely there is someone smart enough # 05:01 Brentundersurvei A to B to C # 05:01 Brentundersurvei To S # 05:03 Brentundersurvei I hope they arrest the wankers anyway. A little birdie told m
# Brentundersurvei dna'd two of those I named so I know I'm right # 05:03 Brentundersurvei 100% # 05:03 Brentundersurvei Right down to the last trippy ritual # 05:05 Brentundersurvei I have kind of enjoyed the challenge of working the feds out but enough is enough # 05:06 Kopfstein joined #indiewebcamp # 05:06 Brentundersurvei Sup Kopfstein # 05:06 Brentundersurvei missed everything I had to say jump to top
# Brentundersurvei Anyway you guys are smart, do the math
# Brentundersurvei I'm an open book
# Brentundersurvei Never have I hid my drug use or tried to be anyone but me.
# Brentundersurvei But I flex some IQ muscle and I'm a good thinker
# Brentundersurvei Good gut instinct and sharp
# Brentundersurvei So I understand I must be entertaining but at some point fuck off and let me play with api's and such
# Brentundersurvei I can't promise I won't go to the darkside
# Brentundersurvei but isn't that where it's at
# Brentundersurvei Anyway, night lads
# Brentundersurvei Keep it real
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# omarhuanca Hi community, I have a question, how extends functionality microformat2
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# myfreeweb omarhuanca: huh? you mean, how are microformats2 extensible? well... microformats2 defines syntax and vocabularies separately. so you can make up your own custom types and properties, and they will be parsed.
# myfreeweb omarhuanca: the convention is, if you add new unofficial properties to an existing type, prefix with "x-". like in "p-x-pronoun-nominative" here http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-experimental-properties
# omarhuanca ok, I have similar implementation my web page: https://jsfiddle.net/sxyyLqg4/ about I need add semantic lyrics
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# myfreeweb here's my quick attempt https://jsfiddle.net/rpLvbhd1/
# myfreeweb you can paste html into e.g. https://unrelenting.technology/mf2/ to see how it parses
# myfreeweb (of course no one will interpret that type yet, you need to get people to know it)
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# omarhuanca oh, sound great myfreeweb
# omarhuanca I implement a karaoke into web page.
# omarhuanca myfreeweb: this is a karaoke: https://jsfiddle.net/09fo6q8b/
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# snarfed sorry for the trouble! (background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603 )
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# [kevinmarks] Now here's a critique of genius https://medium.com/the-shitconomy
# omarhuanca Hi, myfreeweb: this is my web site: http://167.157.28.242/plataformaeducativalael/content/viewContent?id_content=1&user_id_user=27&type_content_id_type_content=1&category_id_category=4
# omarhuanca I have problem about json parse into http://pin13.net/
# omarhuanca about lyrics
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# omarhuanca I have a question, about this https://jsfiddle.net/09fo6q8b/3/
# omarhuanca thanks about myfreeweb, I custom lyrics, but I use the parser https://jsfiddle.net/09fo6q8b/4/ don't show in the url option
# myfreeweb are you trying to tell the parser to parse the jsfiddle?
# myfreeweb that would not work, your markup is not actually on that page
# myfreeweb it's in a textarea
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# omarhuanca try execute on http://pin13.net/
# myfreeweb you have one empty element with class="h-sentence-lyrics"
# omarhuanca you refer ol? or li?
# omarhuanca I ask you, run F5 my page
# omarhuanca I insert tag ul, from ajax
# myfreeweb ooh, that wouldn't work
# myfreeweb ajax is not visible to any parsers
# omarhuanca oh, I check this, thanks myfreeweb
# omarhuanca back more late.
# omarhuanca more thanks myfreeweb, I send a greeting
# myfreeweb hah, they posted in #microformats too
# myfreeweb but i guess #microformats seems more empty
# myfreeweb oh also looks like it's not obvious to everyone that parsers don't support ajax
# myfreeweb speaking of improving personal sites, i've implemented micropub update/delete/undelete in sweetroll, currently working on a micropub admin panel https://github.com/myfreeweb/micro-panel
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sweetroll" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HF
# myfreeweb sweetroll is my server
# loqi.me created /sweetroll (+49) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-02/line/1459617477550 and dfn added by myfreeweb" (view diff)
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# myfreeweb lol
# myfreeweb i guess it's time to move info about it from my user page to its own page
# myfreeweb it was always named
# tantek myfreeweb: yes please go for it! https://indiewebcamp.com/sweetroll
# unrelenting.technology edited /Haskell (-62) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ sweetroll has its own page now" (view diff)
# unrelenting.technology edited /User:Unrelenting.technology (+178) "/* Projects */ sweetroll has its own page now" (view diff)
# snarfed (also, priority wise, i definitely care more about eg https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/113 than this! but that's separate.)
# myfreeweb well, micropub is the only editing interface for my website... other than editing json by hand, which i've done sometimes :D
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# tantek reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRUD and notices it doesn't even mention undelete
# myfreeweb yeah twitter made immutability popular
# myfreeweb but the article was written with, like, enterprise software in mind
# myfreeweb "For example, in address book software"
# myfreeweb you wouldn't want an address book without update and delete
# myfreeweb yeah, personal too
# myfreeweb i mean, like, "UI to a database"
# myfreeweb aaronpk: of course
# KevinMarks did I tell you the addressbook crud failure story?
# KevinMarks Google contacts added a CRUD api
# KevinMarks Apple integrated this on iPhone
# Loqi Google Contacts is perhaps the worst "popular" web-based contacts UI / addressbook service in existence that does such horrible things as overriding cmd-F (page search) to activate the search text box instead, and fails to autoparse simple name <emailaddress> shorthands like you might copy from the Gmail UI https://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Contacts
# myfreeweb aaronpk: both, always. my framework separates input data parsing from the actual operations
# KevinMarks do we have a new term for grumpy definition?
# myfreeweb aaronpk: yep
# myfreeweb aaronpk: i have a MicropubRequest type that implements FromJSON and FromFormUrlEncoded: https://github.com/myfreeweb/sweetroll/blob/master/library/Sweetroll/Micropub/Request.hs
# myfreeweb no
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "grumpinition" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HG
# tantek A grumpinition is a grumpy definition e.g. [[Google Contacts]]
# loqi.me created /grumpinition (+87) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-02/line/1459620032354 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
# aaronpk myfreeweb: i'm considering taking out the extra "properties" key here since it's nested unnecessarily. http://micropub.net/draft/#update 1) would that be an easy change for you and 2) would that be something you would prefer?
# myfreeweb aaronpk: the weirdest part was that update has add and delete, not just replace. everything except replace seems redundant. like what, are you trying to save a couple kilobytes by not resending existing content
# myfreeweb aaronpk: yeah that would be good
# myfreeweb oh, right
# myfreeweb like without fetching the entry
# myfreeweb makes sense
# myfreeweb my mind is thinking about my admin panel project right now :D
# KevinMarks also, not requiring an accurate roundtrip by the client
# KevinMarks the probelem with Read+Replace its that if the client misparses soemthing it breaks the original
# myfreeweb yeah granular auth scopes is an interesting idea... and they should be documented in the spec ;)
# aaronpk yeah it's only barely mentioned right now http://micropub.net/draft/#scope
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# myfreeweb yep that was okay
# myfreeweb my endpoint supports specifying all operations at once
# myfreeweb i don't think the spec requires that
# myfreeweb but it was natural to do it
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# KevinMarks fair. this one was good
# KevinMarks that oen is directly relevant to the undo discussion'
# myfreeweb hmm i could implement reverting the last edit of a url, because git... (but i don't currently care about revert/undo, too much stuff to do already)
# myfreeweb yeah that's a good idea
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# tantek Kevinmarks, definitely interested in your feedback on this, since you've read all the other tl;dr articles you referenced :) http://tantek.com/2016/093/t1/indieweb-micropub-incrementalism-cduru
# @peterjanes @sparkcbc Re Instagram, Twitter, etc. changing behaviour, maybe a revisit of owning your own data? cf. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/716359508046585861)
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "plancast" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HH
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# aaronpk this SO answer seems to indicate i should use timezone names too http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7626114/ics-timezone-not-working
# gyumao time is so strange to program for, somehow
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# Loqi Google Calendar is an event hosting silo and calendar web application from Google https://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Calendar
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ICS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HJ
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "UTC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HK
# snarfed heh aaronpk i know your pain re importing into gcal. https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/ical-gcal/app.py
# loqi.me created /ICS (+205) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-02/line/1459631878965 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
# aaronpk so it's actually working just fine! :D https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-02-14-24-49.png
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