#indiewebcamp 2016-04-01

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veganstraightedge.com created /2016/LA/Guest_List (+4532) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> == <span class="p-name summary">[[2016/LA|IndieWebCamp LA 2016]]</span> == * '''When:''' <span class="dt-start"><time class="value">2016-11-05</time>..."" (view diff)
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tantek see salmention discussion earlier today in the logs
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tantek there's actually still room for experimenting with salmention sending in different cases (e.g. up/downstream to previous likers) specifically because people see similar notifications!
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tantek (in FB)
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tantek E.g. someone commented on a post you are following.
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tantek where "following" a post can happen a few different ways, including by liking it
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tantek or by explicitly clicking the little v down arrow in the top right of a post and asking to get notifications (or stop getting)
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tantek lol at the transform the -of suffix discussion ;)
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@veganstraightedge IndieWebCamp LA 2016 : (twitter.com/_/status/715706838168289280)
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tantek shaners++ good work on getting something up for IWC LA 2016!
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Loqi shaners has 26 karma
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tantek also
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tantek SantaMonica++
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tantek notices the /2016/LA#Schedule table header cell colors :D
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tantek While the IWC LA pages get setup: check out https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Los_Angeles and add yourself if you're interested!
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tantek aaronpk, snarfed re: salmentions - your discussion is making me realize that I need to be even more proactive about documenting all the different kinds of notifications that various silos do like FB, IG, Twitter
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tantek (with screenshots etc.)
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snarfed tantek: oh boy that's a big hairy ambitious moving target
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tantek because frankly, most of those are precisely why we have salmentions (including from SWAT0 scenarios)
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tantek snarfed: it's not that bad, they don't add too many too often
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snarfed definitely useful! but maybe don't stress too much about being comprehensive
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tantek plus I'll obviously start with the more common ones
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tantek or very interesting / odd ones - like the location suggestion stuff!
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KevinMarks all the different twitter ones is a particularly long task
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tantek anyway we need this empirical data to shape our protocols like salmention, instead of guessing at what ifs and what shoulds
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tantek KevinMarks: we can start with only the Twitter notifications we like :) (that is, that we'd like our sites to do for us)
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tantek (instead of all their marketing garbage)
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tantek s/marketing/growth hacking
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Loqi tantek meant to say: (instead of all their growth hacking garbage)
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tantek whoa I just figured out that Facebook uses "reply" as the generic term!
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tantek as in when I RSVPd as "interested" to an event, and a friend commented on it
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KevinMarks thats what i was saying the other day
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tantek the notification I got / saw was: "so-and-so commented on your reply in Event-Name"
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tantek no kevinmarks you were saying something else - that "reply" is more specific! as in a reply to a comment
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tantek my point is, I posted an *RSVP*
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tantek then FB called it a *reply*
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tantek thus implying that reply is a superset of things including RSVPs
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KevinMarks hm, interesting
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tantek also that whole theory about comment being 1st level, and reply being 2nd level is also shot
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tantek because "commented on your reply" is implying that comment is 1 more level than the reply!
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KevinMarks hm
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tantek gotta make dinner, will upload screenshots later
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KevinMarks maybe they just alternate the terms
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tantek see above ^^^ for some recent screenshots / documentations of various FB features
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KevinMarks "commented on your comment" and "replied to your reply" sound odd
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tantek hah KevinMarks that's funny. Sure, I'll look for "replied to your reply" type notifications as well ;)
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GWG Evening
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acegiak morning, all
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acegiak snarfed. feel free to submit PRs for things like reacji on sematic linkbacks
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GWG Hi, acegiak
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acegiak I'm having the realisation that I have too many projects considering I start my new job on monday
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GWG Ditto
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snarfed acegiak: thanks! it was just interesting though. don't personally care too much about reacji, i'd be more interested in https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/issues/28
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GWG I would concur with snarfed.
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GWG I don't think I am as concerned about reacji
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KevinMarks hm, is huffduff-video OK?
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KevinMarks oh, worked eventually
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snarfed sorry KevinMarks i suck at ui :P
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KevinMarks it printfs a progerss bar numerically, then goes quiet
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snarfed when it hits 100%?
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snarfed yeah that's when it's converting
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KevinMarks https://css-tricks.com/html5-progress-element/
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Loqi The following is a guest post by Pankaj Parashar. Pankaj wrote to me about some pretty cool styled progress elements he created. I asked if ...
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snarfed harder to interrupt then
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snarfed KevinMarks: oh god yeah, sure, but that would need ajax calls to update it
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snarfed much more than i'm willing to attempt
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks bug report: https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/715761867600297988
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@girlziplocked @kevinmarks @Xzoky @_danilo @MJB_SF I TRIED THAT IT DIDNT WORK (twitter.com/_/status/715761867600297988)
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snarfed KevinMarks: the dirty secret is that the whole conversion happens synchronously within the single http request
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snarfed converting it to async is the big task that, just, sorry, nope
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snarfed funny useless bug report btw :P
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KevinMarks we could make this work
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KevinMarks you can print the progess element
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KevinMarks and use a last-child css thing to hide the previous ones
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snarfed oh man
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snarfed hacks on hacks on hacks :P
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snarfed not a high priority for me right now, but you're welcome to try if you want! https://github.com/snarfed/huffduff-video/blob/master/app.py#L70
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KevinMarks there you go
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snarfed KevinMarks: fun! it works? you tried locally?
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KevinMarks not with the app running as it is a giant dependency bundle; I tried the html+css
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snarfed cool. thank you!
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KevinMarks can you try it locally?
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snarfed sure! i will soon
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snarfed KevinMarks: fun! it mostly works. the scroll bar moves down the page due to some other parts i can probably fix. thanks for the nudge!
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snarfed also the animated gradient is pretty slick; i'm guessing that's just firefox's own rendering of <progress>, new to me
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KevinMarks in theory it's supposed to be os-native UI
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snarfed right i think it is
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KevinMarks ah right, yes, your other messages will move it down
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KevinMarks you could do the same trick, or make the <div class="progress"> around each stage and change the selector from #progress to .progress
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KevinMarks then you'll get one for each stage
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snarfed hmm, it was moving down with just blank space above it (beyond the first few lines of text)
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snarfed maybe that's what you're saying
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snarfed anyway. i'll be able to look more tomorrow, but feel free to poke more in the meantime!
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snarfed setting it up locally shouldn't be too bad, just `sudo pip install boto webob youtube-dl` and then point any web server at app.py as CGI
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KevinMarks oh write(msg + '<br />\n')
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KevinMarks that would do it
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snarfed heh yes
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snarfed just replace huffduff-video.snarfed.org in the bookmarklet with localhost, and configure your local web server to point /get to app.py as CGI.
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KevinMarks won't I need all your s3 keys and things?
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snarfed right, it will break before uploading to s3, but should be enough to start testing
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snarfed if you get ambitious, you can change the constants to point to your own bucket and fill in the aws_* files with your keys. but definitely not necessary
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snarfed thanks again!
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tantek huh, just got a "5xx Server Error" from https://www.instagram.com/tantek/
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tantek and it's back
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tantek only a few minutes of outage
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KevinMarks one of your pis showed up in the feed twice
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@matti_sg A draft for a #web mention tracking protocol standard. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/715833588156145666)
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@BizGiftsco @IndieWebCampUK Let me help you Build your Business by sourcing the best Business Gifts http://www.business-gifts.co/business-gifts-catalog/ https://twitter.com/BizGiftsco/status/645979409258840064/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/715834842865410048)
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aaronpk !spammer bizgiftsco
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Loqi Got it! There are now 48 spammers blacklisted
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@svensonsan Dieses Indieweb-Gelöt is aber arg kompliziert. Muss man das verstehen oder reicht es, wenn das halbwegs funktioniert? (twitter.com/_/status/715900879463907328)
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aaronpk [shaners] just added the Pivotal logo to the footer and event page, thanks!
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@hmans @svensonsan Ich <3 IndieWeb, aber man macht die Dinge dort leider oft unnötig kompliziert. Ich habe es aufgegeben. :/ (twitter.com/_/status/715931020323921920)
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omarhuanca Hi
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omarhuanca taken
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omarhuanca I'm sorry, tantek
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tantek hello omarhuanca !
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tantek no problem and welcome!
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omarhuanca here again
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omarhuanca thank you.
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omarhuanca current I read this blog for extend mf2: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility
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tantek omarhuanca: what's the specific publishing use-case you're trying to solve?
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omarhuanca I have like implementation my web site: https://jsfiddle.net/sxyyLqg4/
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omarhuanca my project manager say me, add any microformat for lyrics with startTime, endTime.
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omarhuanca it was understood
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tantek lyrics! interesting - for karaoke?
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omarhuanca yeah
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omarhuanca initialy, I try use hListing
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omarhuanca for karaoke
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tantek hmm - I don't think that's a good match, hListing is for listings in the sense of Craigslist
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tantek (which I realize is yet another overloading of "list")
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omarhuanca then I begin custom mf2 about this -> http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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Loqi The microformats process
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omarhuanca ok, talk more later.
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snarfed eyes the bridgy beta testers on instagram scraping
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snarfed happily sending wms, looks like everything is humming along
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aaronpk mine are definitely missing a bunch of likes
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aaronpk check out this latest one, only 4 ended up on my site https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/31/17/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] The #unipiper dawns a #onewheel #selfbalancing #hoverboard because #pdx
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aaronpk should have 23
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aaronpk also oops apparently my video posts aren't working for some reason
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snarfed thanks for the heads up aaronpk
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snarfed looking
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snarfed what's not working on your video posts? looks like backfeed is ok, eg https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/18/10/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] SEA to PDX
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aaronpk that latest post was a video but my site only got the photo
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snarfed ah
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snarfed looks like instagram's html only includes the latest 10 likes. not sure how those 10 are chosen/ordered. :/
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snarfed so IG like backfeed may be incomplete just like API was :/
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aaronpk oh man that's really unfortunate
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snarfed i'm not sure why you only have four likes backfed to that one. https://brid.gy/instagram/aaronpk#responses shows lots more wms sent, and looking at some of the ones that aren't on your site, the source pages look ok and link back ok
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aaronpk huh
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snarfed eg https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/instagram/aaronpk/1218518284778719564_1500881/256750317
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Loqi [davidjohnmead] tag:instagram.com,2013:1218518284778719564_1500881_liked_by_256750317
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aaronpk whoa
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snarfed lol
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aaronpk damn implied name
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aaronpk tho I should make Loqi recognize when a post is a like/repost of a post and say something to that effect
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snarfed agreed
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snarfed aaronpk: wmio error "failed to open stream: RPC Error: Unknown error - 4." https://webmention.io/aaronpk/webmention/7d3vl1SxqDfO9FSvawTa
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aaronpk snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 210 karma
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aaronpk so that's actually an error from XRay on appengine
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aaronpk "RPC Error: Unknown error - 4" is so helpful
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aaronpk from a googler: ""RPC Error: Unknown error - 4" is strange, RPC error 4 is returned when the response from the HTTP request exceeds 32MB but we should be returning "response to large" rather than "unknown error"."
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aaronpk https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=12073#c3
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snarfed whee
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snarfed is this the appengine-to-appengine php http request problem where you need to set a special header?
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snarfed (paging KevinMarks?)
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aaronpk possibly? but i'm confused why it would work sometimes but not others
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snarfed agreed
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aaronpk also what's frustrating about that is I have no way to know when a URL is an appengine URL
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snarfed oh definitely, you'd just always set the header
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snarfed (technically in this case you do know because appspot.com, but in general, agreed)
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snarfed silly bug is silly
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aaronpk yeah when i was testing XRay I kept encountering URLs which are CNAMEd to appengine
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aaronpk i thought i had solved this though
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeena replied '@jkphl tipps fuer ein Hotell in Nuernberg?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/jeena/status/715966853454147584)
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[shaners] aaronpk: thanks for uploading the sponsor logo for me.
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aaronpk 👍
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KevinMarks that appengine to appengine thing is php only, right?
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aaronpk i thought it was part of their network stack
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KevinMarks I switched from using requests to using the fetch api directly, as I realised that on appengine requests was shimming down to it anyway
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KevinMarks and setting timeouts was easier on the direct api
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KevinMarks (in python)
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aaronpk i'm pretty upset at appengine network stuff in general
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KevinMarks it's a PaaS vs VM thing; when you do get to piggyback on the crawl infrastructure and get freshly cached stuff it's good
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KevinMarks but then there is a hidden layer
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aaronpk when everything works fine it's fine, but the error handling is awful
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aaronpk i have two different ways I make HTTP requests now, depending on whether i'm talking to an appengine URL
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snarfed it's almost certainly php-specific; i've never had this problem in python or go
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snarfed it definitely still sucks though
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snarfed aaronpk: can you not just use the app engine specific headers etc for all urls? or are they bad for non-gae urls?
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aaronpk the problem is i have to tell the http library to not follow redirects when fetching appengine URLs
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snarfed oh. :(
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aaronpk https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/php/urlfetch/#PHP_Making_requests
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snarfed such a weird bug. and weird that they've let it sit instead of handling it themselves.
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aaronpk IIRC it would just return a weird error otherwise
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KevinMarks that seems like a "work out your own shit, google" problem
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KevinMarks so you have to catch that error and retry without redirects?
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aaronpk maybe i should do that instead
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aaronpk right now I use a different HTTP client depending on whether it's appengine https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/master/lib/HTTP.php
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KevinMarks may still be worth doing that as a fallback in case you guess wrong about an appengine site; does it fail fast?
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aaronpk yeah. i'll probably switch to that and see how it works
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek catches up on logs
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@jeena Hmm. Gute Frage! Wann kommst und fährst du wieder?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/715981175421054978)
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tantek hmm I thought we had documented/proposed way of moving forward on the over-implied p-name problme
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tantek re: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-01/line/1459530869915
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Loqi [aaronpk] damn implied name
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aaronpk if we did, it hasn't been implemented yet
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aaronpk i thought we did too
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tantek I'm still looking for issue / proposal / discussion
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tantek this is the closest: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_when_an_explicit_class_is_provided
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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tantek but that only really converged on u-url implying
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tantek looks like the any explicit p-* = no implied p-name would stop the noise from Bridgy's markup
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snarfed also maybe don't overfit to bridgy's markup, since bridgy mf2 pages aren't intended for people, and are rarely pasted here
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aaronpk nah it's happened elsewhere too
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tantek we're not trying to fit it to Bridgy, but rather it's just one of many data points
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aaronpk also bridgy's markup is totally intended for people, since peoples' web pages parse the bridgy markup and then display comments and things
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tantek true
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tantek and none of this is Bridgy's "fault" per se
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snarfed aaronpk: sure but that's indirect. as opposed to eg posts or h-feeds that are rendered by browsers directly
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tantek people (or tools/services) shouldn't have to explicitly include an empty p-name to avoid this problem
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snarfed sure
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aaronpk bridgy's html markup is not intended for viewing, but the mf2 markup certainly is
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tantek snarfed, pretty sure no current consumers of Bridgy depend on the legacy u-like markup so we should probably drop that (to avoid creating new consumers reading it!)
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tantek is that worth filing an issue about?
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tantek e.g. s/class="u-like u-like-of"/class="u-like-of"
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snarfed sure, thanks
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snarfed heh, related: https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/issues/28
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tantek done: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/640
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snarfed thx
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tantek snarfed: ok pull-request filed for issue 28 https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/pull/30
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snarfed oh man awesome, thanks!
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tantek hmm, not sure how to do this fix in Bridgy so I'm going to leave that one to you snarfed
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gRegorLove favorite-of is a thing?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-01.html
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kevinmarks.com edited /News_Genius (+70) "/* Blocking */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /News_Genius (+68) "/* Blocking */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks no upcoming HWC?
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aaronpk what is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2016-04-06 at Cup and Bar https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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aaronpk hmm is it not on /events?
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aaronpk what is this week
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWebCamp community https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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aaronpk can someone add that to /events?
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gRegorLove I will
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+0) "archive Feb + Mar" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+660) "/* April */ 4/20 hwc" (view diff)
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KevinMarks so how do new things get into wordpress.com ?
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tantek what are you proposing for it? maybe start a list at /WordPress.com ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you proposing for it" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HB
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tantek lol
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KevinMarks genius blocking
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aaronpk huh i only tweeted 4 times in march
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aaronpk (non-reply tweets)
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gRegorLove I still have silence on this: http://gregorlove.com/2016/03/newsgenius-how-do-we-block/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] @newsgenius How do we block News Genius on our sites like @NYTimes does?
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gRegorLove I also sent it to one of their community managers. Still silence.
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tantek aaronpk: any way to get Loqi to regenerate this week before it goes live again?
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Loqi :)
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aaronpk hm yeah he should have a few minutes ago
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tantek and maybe grant an extension?
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tantek we're missing lots of photos it seems
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk there's no past events to show photos from
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aaronpk updated tho http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-01.html
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tantek this looks a bit odd: "Saturday, April 16 - April 17"
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aaronpk hm yeah
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tantek.com edited /News_Genius (+125) "note enabling harassment in dfn since it's negative effect on indieweb sites in particular" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /suggest_location (+63) "supported by FB in dfn (since that inspired the page)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /UIR (+28) "see also HTTPS" (view diff)
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: There's some other way to "block" News Genius that's not apparent to the public. Try a NYT URL with it. It doesn't redirect or anything, but shows the page doesn't support it.
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gRegorLove So there's some semi-official way to block that News Genius is not telling people about.
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sknebel gRegorLove: this claims to also block the extension: https://github.com/toddself/genius-blocker
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tantek so it doesn't work on big news company sites that it was supposedly targeted at, but does work for people ganging up and harrassing small indieweb sites
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tantek really they should have just called it Site Vandal
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tantek can't tell if Loqi is waiting for more edits, or a new publication time or, maybe is out to lunch?
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tantek gives Loqi a quizzical look
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Loqi grabs the quizzical look
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KevinMarks I talked to them about it on their site with their tool: http://genius.it/8883931/news.genius.com
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gRegorLove I guess it doesn't block the annotations, but it definitely blocks the display of the original, e.g. http://genius.com/summary/www.nytimes.com?unwrappable=1
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gRegorLove That's what http://genius.it/nytimes.com redirects to.
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KevinMarks ?unwrappable=1 is interesting
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tantek Perhaps there's also an opportunity for a browser plugin that automatically removes the genius domain wrapping of any link that uses it
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gRegorLove That doesn't help the authors, which is what I was looking for, more broadly.
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aaronpk i can't figure out why Nurnberg is not linked
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aaronpk the markup looks the same as the other events
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tantek checks
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-01.html (twitter.com/_/status/716012268912136192)
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tantek too late now?
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aaronpk i'll regenerate the HTML for the archives but looks like the email went out at 2:03
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KevinMarks the span is only around the bit before 'part of'
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KevinMarks so the url isn't being parsed
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gRegorLove tantek: Want me to replicate 4/20 HWC to May and June?
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tantek aaronpk: looks like u-url mis-scraping from the nest h-card u-url instead of parsing from the h-event u-url
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KevinMarks u-url is on the bit outside the span, not the link in the p-name
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tantek.com edited /2016/Nuremberg (-27) "drop empty h-card u-url which may be interfering with however this week gets the u-url for an event, https while we're at it" (view diff)
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tantek checks for multiple u-urls
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tantek KevinMarks: that makes no sense per the source I'm looking at https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg
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tantek the first u-url is *on* a span of *just* the URL
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KevinMarks I'm looking at http://indiewebcamp.com/events
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KevinMarks which is what loqi is parsing
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Loqi :)
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tantek it's still inside the h-event span
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tantek it doesn't need to have anything to do with the link in the p-name
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tantek <span class="u-url url">https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg</span> should work
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KevinMarks looks like the <b> is forcing the span to close?
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KevinMarks (looking at chrome's DOM
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tantek ohhh mismatched / overlapping tags
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KevinMarks hidden by it being '''
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kevinmarks.com edited /Events (+0) "/* April */ close b tag" (view diff)
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk thx
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-04-01.html
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aaronpk oops
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KevinMarks that was a messy one
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tantek I have a feeling there are others
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KevinMarks hm. my snarkinition made it int
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tantek wasn't that snarky
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tantek yup, same problem on p-description span
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tantek ok should be fixed now
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KevinMarks true, the RDF one is snarkier
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tantek aaronpk: based on today's experience I think we could use an hour's warning
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tantek for This Week
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aaronpk yeah interesting
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tantek alternative: post the preview at noon which gives people their (Pacific Timezone) lunch hour to madly edit it in a rush, then post another preview at 13:00
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loqi.me created /Old_Reader (+81) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /Old_Reader to /The_Old_Reader "article in name"
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tantek.com edited /The_Old_Reader (+10) "link dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /UIR (+45) "caniuse" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/01/9/ april fools? you're not? or you are? :P
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Guess what day is the worst day to announce you're quitting your job