#indiewebcamp 2016-04-04

2016-04-04 UTC
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snarfed
no worries, i probably won't need that, i rarely debug by doing things against live accounts
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snarfed
plus i won't get to it until a while after that, so feel free to do whatever
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tantek
I figured it might be a weird case of public/private account toggling or something
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tantek
because by all outside appearances it *should* work
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tantek
(IG permalink URL is in the feed as a u-syndication etc.)
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snarfed
maybe! although the rest worked ok
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snarfed
i have all the logs and data, so no worries
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tantek
hmm - there were more that didn't work
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tantek
I'll pop a few to the top
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snarfed
lol ok
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tantek
yes it's weird that *some* worked
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tantek
is still paging backwards in time
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tantek
found a bunch of old "No webmention targets" errors for responses from before he took his Instagram account private
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@ThemeHackers
#biz #growthhacking #wordpress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
(twitter.com/_/status/716786647283679233)
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@AppitySnacks
RT @ThemeHackers #biz #growthhacking #wordpress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
(twitter.com/_/status/716787795247939585)
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@ThemeIsle
Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
(twitter.com/_/status/716790217571770368)
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@DigestWordpress
RT @ThemeHackers #biz #growthhacking #wordpress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
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@emilypowell647
Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Wouldn’t it be great it there was a standardized way to ... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
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@sendthruhq
RT @ThemeHackers #biz #growthhacking #wordpress Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
(twitter.com/_/status/716790697467191296)
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tantek
is hopefully giving snarfed tons of Bridgy Backfeed Instagram error cases to take a look at
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tantek
ok AFAIK Bridgy Backfeed was not working at all for my site / Instagram back in December
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Loqi
[indieweb] "An Annotated Domain of One’s Own" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/an-annotated-domain-of-ones-own
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tantek
ok that ought to do it. dozens (if not hundreds) of "No webmention targets" Bridgy Backfeed to Instagram error cases at the top of https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek#responses (and dozens of pages later)
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tantek
I'll reset things tomorrow morning
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tantek
(home page # of recent updates, IG private account)
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tantek
(perhaps more "not found" errors because it's already 4/04 in UTC?)
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tantek.com
edited /featured_photos (+156) "/* Facebook */ big prompt is replaced small prompt eventually"
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tantek.com
edited /location-of (+231) "document why location-of distinct from edit post"
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tantek.com
edited /edit (+48) "see also other types of posts which effectively suggest edits to the original post - properties other than content"
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I found your post through the POSSE'd version on Medium, so cheers for discovery through syndication! But since neither your nor I would "own" this" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/i-found-your-post-through-the-possed-version-on-medium
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snarfed
!tell tantek just fyi, your dec (and earlier) 2015 missing instagram backfeed was due to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/584
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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miklb
hmm. Wonder why my webmentions are re-sending. Hadn't seen that before.
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miklb
it's like all of a sudden not respecting the cached sent file
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miklb
aaronpk you run webmention.io?
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[aaronpk]
What do you mean re-sending?
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miklb
I'm using a Rakefile to send to webmention.io. I figured it out I think. I switched to https and I think that caused my cached sent mentions to resend on old posts
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miklb
attempt to notify?
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[aaronpk]
I'm not sure what that has to do with webmention.io? It only receives webmentions
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miklb
well, they are internal links so it's sending mentions that then ping webmention.io to notify me.
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miklb
believes that is what is happening
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[aaronpk]
You delegate your webmention receiving to webmention.io?
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miklb
so because I switched to https those links were not in my cache of sent. Sorry to confuse
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[aaronpk]
I guess I'm not really sure what the problem is. What are you expecting to happen?
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miklb
I was worried that I was hammering webmention.io and less concerned why my script was resending mentions
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miklb
but now I see what was happening and they won't send again on a new build
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress by David Shanske" by David Shanske http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/#comment-161414
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KartikPrabhu
that comment link goes no where ^
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GWG
I didn't link
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@WPNewsThemes
Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to link… http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/
(twitter.com/_/status/716868059793907712)
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Loqi
tantek: snarfed left you a message 3 hours, 12 minutes ago: just fyi, your dec (and earlier) 2015 missing instagram backfeed was due to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/584 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459740206202
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tantek
ah! glad I stopped where I did :)
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tantek
!tell snarfed that makes sense for originally missing, but now, posts from 2015-12-06 onward are all on my home page (temporary 255 recent posts) and have been retried.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell snarfed and starting here and paging Older, numerous 2016 January to present posts that have "No webmention targets" https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek?responses_before=2016-04-04T00:55:51.124560#responses
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
waits for tantek to solve the secrets of time travel
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jonnybarnes
is aaronpk awake?
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk, I’ve opened a PR on the indieauth client package to update it to use the newest version of mf2
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cweiske
why does an indieauth client depend on mf2?
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jonnybarnes
maybe because it makes a http request to you homepage to workout what authorization_endpoint to use
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jonnybarnes
does it use the mf2 package to retreive the rel values from the html
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jonnybarnes
thats one way to specify the auth endpoint you want to use
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cweiske
really? mf2 for extracting rel values?
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cweiske
that's a bit much in my eyes
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jonnybarnes
I dunno, aaronpk will know better what its used for
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jonnybarnes
but I can't update me main app to use v0.3 because indieauth is currently dependent on 0.2.*
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voxpelli
it uses it to fetch rels from html + to fetch a representative h-card, can't see a reason why not to
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@matdryhurst
@_sshaw there's a few good ones on @indiewebcamp Medium page but I can't find the one I know you are talking about! https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium
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@jordan_web
Another blogging silo bites the dust. Poetica has been acquired by Condé Nast https://poetica.com/ #blogging #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/716933911159443456)
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@AmateurTechno
Another blogging silo bites the dust. Poetica has been acquired by Condé Nast https://poetica.com/ #blogging #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/716933911151042560)
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cweiske
Loqi, please do not post retweets
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[aaronpk]
Thanks petermolnar
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[aaronpk]
It should be no problem for IndieAuth client to use >0.2
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jonnybarnes
yes, but the composer.json speicifies 0.2.* in the requires section
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jonnybarnes
so, composer wont install mf2 0.3
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[aaronpk]
Right I can fix that
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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[aaronpk]
I also somehow missed that barnaby had released 0.3! That's great news
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jonnybarnes
any chance you could merge my PR aaronpk?
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: I wil after I eat breakfast :D
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jonnybarnes
hello tantek
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: lol, eat faster!!!! :P
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aaronpk
fwiw if it's blocking you, you can always update your composer.json to reference your own git fork of that repo
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aaronpk
thats what I'm doing with cassis while I wait for tantek's feedback on my PR
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snarfed
emmak_: hi! just fyi your webmention handler has been 500ing for a while. click "... ago" links on https://brid.gy/instagram/emmackuo#responses for details
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 1 minute ago: that makes sense for originally missing, but now, posts from 2015-12-06 onward are all on my home page (temporary 255 recent posts) and have been retried. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459752083070
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours ago: and starting here and paging Older, numerous 2016 January to present posts that have "No webmention targets" https://brid.gy/instagram/tantek?responses_before=2016-04-04T00:55:51.124560#responses http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459752125822
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snarfed
understood
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tantek
good morning snarfed !
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snarfed
hi tantek!
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jonnybarnes
yo aaronpk, do you know what the difference for composer is between ~x.y.z and ^x.y.z?
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aaronpk
~1.2 is equivalent to >=1.2 <2.0.0
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aaronpk
^1.2.3 is equivalent to >=1.2.3 <2.0.0
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aaronpk
subtle difference. oh looks like ^ has a special case for when the major version is 0
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jonnybarnes
hmmm, my fork isn’t working :/
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aaronpk
i'm almost done with the release
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jonnybarnes
IndieWeb\http_rels()&quot;
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jonnybarnes
that coped wrong
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jonnybarnes
Fatal error: call to undefined function \IndieWeb\http_rels()
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jonnybarnes
on line 59 of Client.php
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jonnybarnes
gah, right, I’ll just wait for your release, and let composer sort itself out
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jonnybarnes
it was installing my fork, but not th eright branch or something
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aaronpk
oh yeah that was going from 0.1 to 0.2
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jonnybarnes
yaaay, my code is working again!
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jonnybarnes
hmm, so the client works even with the wring namespace `use`d at the top, maybe just get rid if that line?
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jonnybarnes
s/wring/wrong
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Loqi
jonnybarnes meant to say: hmm, so the client works even with the wrong namespace `use`d at the top, maybe just get rid if that line?
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aaronpk
yeah it won't hurt anything to have that but i'll fix it
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tantek
namespaces--
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Loqi
namespaces has -4 karma
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aaronpk
namespaces are great in this case
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aaronpk
i'd much rather a library define all its random functions in its own namespace rather than potentially conflict with my own function names or other libraries
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tantek
oops just saw aaronpk's note about cassis
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tantek
sorry about that aaronpk - feel free to ping again if I forget like that in the future
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tantek
reviews changes
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aaronpk
no problem, it was right before IWC/W3C stuff and you were traveling a bunch
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singpolyma
namespaces++
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Loqi
namespaces has -3 karma
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tantek
aaronpk: I see just one punctuation nit but otherwise looks good (space around comma)
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tantek
s/bcdiv(bcsub($n,$d),60);/bcdiv(bcsub($n, $d), 60);
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tantek
any chance you can fix that? or do I need to merge first and then fix?
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aaronpk
i will fix and it will update the PR
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tantek
is still getting used to github mechanics with these things
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tantek
is never sure which path is easier/harder with github - so many options
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aaronpk
there it goes
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tantek
LOL: " This page is out of date. Refresh"
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aaronpk
i like to think of that as github throwing up their hands because the changes were too complicated to update inline
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singpolyma
aaronpk: yeah. way easier to build a refresh notice than an actual page upate
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aaronpk
They do a good job of bringing updates inline for simpler stuff like showing comments
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@cassisjs
[cassis] https://github.com/tantek/cassis/commit/f72c6e70b41bf98c8094bdd348f4acf7553c76a2 Tantek Çelik - Merge pull request #25 from aaronpk/master refactor tests, adds PHP tests, adds NewBase6...
(twitter.com/_/status/717010354472136704)
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tantek
whoa that's working again?
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aaronpk
oh now I remember why you were hesitant to release this, heh
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aaronpk
this fixes the PHP side to be able to use newbase60 with numbers larger than 32 bits, but the JS side is still broken
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aaronpk
i.e. no change on JS, but improved PHP, and you wanted them to maintain feature parity
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tantek
aaronpk: I've made commits since Jan 24 that don't show up in the tweets :(
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tantek
aaronpk - I changed my mind on that
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tantek
because it's still useful for PHP to be able to do that, though I suppose it's worth documenting the difference
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aaronpk
great. probably worth documenting so people aren't too surprised when tweet IDs don't convert right in JS
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tantek
and now that I merged your change, and I've selfdogfooded my own new function long enough, I'm going to merge that in too
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tantek
oh hey finally the Twitter integration is working for me again too! https://twitter.com/cassisjs/status/717011650927312896
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@cassisjs
[cassis] https://github.com/tantek/cassis/commit/357e30ad12017b4d67cac5f4400e8f371cd2f504 Tantek Çelik - new function trim_leading_urls new function from Falcon, trim_leading_urls, useful for g...
(twitter.com/_/status/717011650927312896)
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: okay i think everything is updated now
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jonnybarnes
yup, all working here
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@sparkcbc
@peterjanes @indiewebcamp You know, I've been thinking about this lately. It's a good idea to explore!
(twitter.com/_/status/717011919048192001)
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@sparkcbc
@peterjanes @indiewebcamp This is Nora, btw. Forgot to add my initials!
(twitter.com/_/status/717011992649838592)
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tantek
aaronpk: so did you fix this? or do we leave it open for JS? https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/17
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aaronpk
let's leave it open since it's still broken in JS
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tantek
ok. commented. how about https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/15 what's the magic there?
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aaronpk
make a new release and then it will push the update to packagist, so anyone installing it from there will get the update
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aaronpk
is pushing out a new version of XRay with the 0.3.0 parser!
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Loqi
[indieweb] "indieweb/mention-client (1.1.3)" by Aaron Parecki https://packagist.org/packages/indieweb/mention-client
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tantek
aaronpk: making a new release require re-understanding the tagging/version numbering scheme
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aaronpk
the version numbering scheme is up to you
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aaronpk
it looks like you're doing something based off of the date
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tantek
yes the previous me already decided it and I don't remember where I documented it, there's no hook in this UI to give myself a hint
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tantek
could be epoch days
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aaronpk
most other projects on packagist are doing more or less this: http://semver.org/ but it doesn't really matter as long as the version number increases
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tantek
right already have x.y.z
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tantek
hmm, I guess new functions would qualify as MINOR version updates
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: messages?
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Loqi
is done
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tantek
alright then I suppose enough new functionality has been added for 0.2
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aaronpk
the easy way is just 0.2.0 then 0.2.1 etc
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tantek
I prefer to encode the epoch days in the path version because it's compatible with semver and encodes additional information
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tantek
s/path/patch
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: I prefer to encode the epoch days in the patch version because it's compatible with semver and encodes additional information
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aaronpk
oh man. it's time. i can't install php-mf2 0.3.0 on pin13.net because it's still running php 5.3
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: IIRC it was you who suggested upgrading the requirement ;)
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Loqi
barnabywalters: gRegorLove left you a message 1 week ago: Per /profile_photo I noticed your posts preserve the photo you used at the time of publishing. I was wondering what your structure is for handling that. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-27/line/1459114378697
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barnabywalters
I was surprised at the time as you were always the one bugging me about PHP5.4 array syntax
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tantek
(over two years since previous cassis "release"?!?)
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barnabywalters
!tell gRegorLove I store a copy of my current author details in each post, and new profile photos are dated, so old posts retain their old profile photo
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
this is one of those things where it's been on my todo list for 2+ years to move everything off that server
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tantek
hey barnabywalters !!!
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barnabywalters
heya tantek! looking forward to seeing you at IWC Nürnberg next weekend!
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tantek
gets bogged down in writing release notes
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barnabywalters
I keep on trying to get into the habit of adding bits of release notes for the next release to the README file every time I change anything
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barnabywalters
instead of having to browse through fixed issues and pull requests every few months to scrabble together something resembling coherent release notes
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jonnybarnes
barnabywalters: like a changelog: http://keepachangelog.com/
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: yeah that’s even what I call the section of the README
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barnabywalters
I just didn’t get into the habit of maintaining it other than when I do a release
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tantek
shipping it
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tantek
barnabywalters: same same - been way too long
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aaronpk
i've been doing summaries of changes in the git commits or PRs, but I'm going to start putting those directly into the readme as well
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tantek
sigh, bitten by a stupid markdown list interpretation bug
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tantek
markdown--
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Loqi
markdown has -1 karma
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KartikPrabhu
hey its a standard now!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: yeah? what RFC? :P
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tantek
this: trim_leading_urls JS-only (exists in PHP itself)
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tantek
was supposed to be
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tantek
* trim_leading_urlsJS-only (exists in PHP itself)
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tantek
oops no
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tantek
* trim_leading_urls
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tantek
JS-only (exists in PHP itself)
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aaronpk
i think you need a space or two on that "JS-only" line
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tantek
notices he can update release notes
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tantek
ok done aaronpk
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aaronpk
oh i see what you were trying to do now
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sandro
s/write/right
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[kevinmarks]
How would you do large ints in js? Make them strings?
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Loqi
[kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 17 hours, 22 minutes ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco and update the page there? Thanks much! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459727714282
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aaronpk
yeah i'm sure there's an existing JS library for doing math with large numbers
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aaronpk
but it would have to get brought in to cassis inline to avoid introducing a whole dependency chain
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tantek
GWG++ nice post! (no need to put such a big disclaimer at the top - at the bottom as part of an aside would be fine)
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Loqi
GWG has 151 karma
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tantek
aaronpk: I've often found JS "libraries" for doing many of the things in CASSIS, and they're nearly all overdesigned, overcomplicated, massive piles of crap
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tantek
(said from snooty-CS-education experience)
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aaronpk
yeah and the recent npm disaster was a great demonstration of that
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tantek
GWG, do you want feedback / suggested edits for your post Why Webmentions in WordPress?
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tantek
(aside I see now why you were upset when WPTavern did their own article instead, very odd about that)
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tantek
(now if I supported /edit posts on my own site, I could just post those without asking right? and then GWG could optionally choose to merge them in :) )
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snarfed
[kevinmarks]: that's what twitter did with its *id_str fields. https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/twitter-ids-json-and-snowflake
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@ChrisAldrich
Thanks for pressing the issue David! More and more I'm sure webmentions are the next generation of web evolution. #IndieWeb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Thanks for pressing the issue David! More and more I'm sure webmentions are the next generation of web evolution. #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/thanks-for-pressing-the-issue-david-more-and-more-im
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snarfed
incidentally tantek, bridgy logs think you clicked ~650 retry buttons yesterday :P
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tantek
lololol
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tantek
kind of got into it like a twitch video game at some point
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KevinMarks
with python newbase60 I accidentally 'decoded' a slug rather than a newbase60 id and got a very big integer
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snarfed
feature request: add sparkle animation
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j4y_funabashi
Hey, I am having an issue where I posse a few photos to facebook and they aggregate them into a single post, bridgy then sends me a mention where the like-of & in-reply-to are the aggregation page on facebook, not the target (my permalink) so my site is rejecting it. Are there any rules about how I should be parsing mentions? ie which links to follow if source does not contain target?
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tantek
assuming only SF & PDX this week for HWC
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Boffo Socko Now Supports Hypothes.is Annotations by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/03/boffo-socko-now-supports-hypothes-is-annotations/#comment-30166
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aaronpk
j4y_funabashi: if source does not contain target, you should stop immediately since it's most likely junk/spam
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j4y_funabashi
aaronpk: This is the FB aggregation of my photos which is what bridgy is sending me as the source https://www.facebook.com/10153584798226153/posts/10154023480651153
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Loqi
[Russell Watson] tag:facebook.com,2013:10154023480651153_liked_by_1121686637851651
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aaronpk
if bridgy is sending you a webmention that doesn't validate then it's a bug with bridgy
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aaronpk
i know they've been dealing with a lot of weird things about how facebook handles photos
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j4y_funabashi
ok, I just wondered if I was doing something wrong with parsing the mention
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tantek
just made it into the Mozilla announcement
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tantek
for HWC this week
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tantek
!tell jgarber I optimistically put HWC DC as ON for this week in the Mozilla weekly announcements :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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tantek
gets back to more manual event updating
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tantek.com
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tantek
!tell lmorchard how was IWC Detroit two weeks ago? Were you able to get a co-organizer or take a photo or notes? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell gRegorLove we're catching up to the future, could you clone https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club into May and June HWC events? Thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (+57) "subheads for photo locations"
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tantek
!tell gRegorLove yes even with the HWC SF location preset to Moz 1st floor (I've booked it for HWC through rest of the year except for a couple of nights)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gyuumaou
job searchin' and hatin it
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tantek
gyuumaou: do you have your resume posted on your site somewhere?
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gyuumaou
@tantek actually i don't
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gyuumaou
bit of a privacy concern is all
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tantek
totally understandable
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tantek.com
edited /IndieWebCamps (+429) "archive IWC MIT 2016 from home page to here"
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edited /Main_Page (-186) "next two HWC SF,PDX,DC unless we hear otherwise, next IWC is Nuremberg, archive IWC MIT 2016"
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tommorris.org
edited /site-deaths (+172) "bye bye Poetica"
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@tommorris
Another site death. This time, @poetica. 2016-06-01. This is a recurring theme. https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths
(twitter.com/_/status/717063590210105344)
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tantek
hey gRegorLove have you experimented much with Goodreads cross-posting to FB?
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gRegorLove
Nope, not at all.
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Loqi
gRegorLove: barnabywalters left you a message 3 hours, 12 minutes ago: I store a copy of my current author details in each post, and new profile photos are dated, so old posts retain their old profile photo http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-04/line/1459785477001
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 40 minutes ago: we're catching up to the future, could you clone https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club into May and June HWC events? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-04/line/1459794611683
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 38 minutes ago: yes even with the HWC SF location preset to Moz 1st floor (I've booked it for HWC through rest of the year except for a couple of nights) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-04/line/1459794719085
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gRegorLove
I know there's an FB Goodreads "app' that does that, but I have no desire to cross-post like that.
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tantek
I saw some Goodreads cross-posts on someone else's profile and found the plain text copy potentially informative for /read post design
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tantek
here I'll add some generic text versions (for privacy)
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GWG
tantek, I think I was a bit annoyed, but you are right, bottom would have been fine.
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tantek
I can understand your annoyance - and you can still change it!
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tantek
I say better to start off with your own strongly positive creative words and leave the background drama for the background as it were
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club (-341) "/* Where */ away for this one HWC SF - need a host/venue!"
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tantek
what is Revolv
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Revolv" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HR
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tantek
obligatory AdamaWasRight
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gRegorLove
sosayweall++
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Loqi
sosayweall has 1 karma
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tantek
"Is the era of IoT bringing an end to the concept of ownership?" Yes if you let it.
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aaronpk
what's that word for a thing where you kill one and two appear in its place?
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aaronpk
i feel like i'm battling server hydras today
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gRegorLove
Youtube comments?
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aaronpk
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gRegorLove has 55 karma
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aaronpk
my todo list for moving off my old server had 5 things left when i started this morning. i've finished 3 of them and now the list is 8 long
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KevinMarks
heh. Sounds like when I built the technorati crawler with 2 layers of reslience
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bear
I know that pain - I finally got my scripts done to install my server fully
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KevinMarks
so people would try to stop it by killing processes and more would keep appearing
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aaronpk
hahaha
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bear
so then I tested them by moving my server to another providor and deleting the old one to prove I did it properly ;)
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aaronpk
that's intense
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bear
I had tarballs of the directories so the data was safe
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tantek
Revolv is a home automation hub that receives automatic software updates, acquired by [[Google]], and shutting down 2016-05-15, including a software update that bricks all existing Revolv devices. https://medium.com/@arlogilbert/the-time-that-tony-fadell-sold-me-a-container-of-hummus-cb0941c762c1#.fqjaaj6j7
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bear
I was testing the ansible scripts to provision
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loqi.me
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Your friendly reminder that without open standards, you're not "buying" smarthome hardware, you're renting it. http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-nest-closing-smart-home-company-revolv-bricking-devices-2016-4...
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KevinMarks
the technorati crawlers were process parallel on multiple machines, with a master app that spawned the processes, and a shell script that would repeatedly respawn the master app on each server
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KevinMarks
there was a way to turn them off, but that involved reading the docs
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edited /Revolv (+198) "articles, see also"
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tantek
what is Google Docs?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Docs" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HS
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tantek
seriously
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tantek
Google Docs is a free and fairly user-friendly document creating, collaborative editing, and sharing silo from [[Google]] that sometimes fails inexplicably.
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loqi.me
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edited /Google (+18) "+Google Docs"
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edited /Google_Docs (+288) "issues / sharing unavailable"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Google_Code (+49) "past tense, site-death date"
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tantek.com
edited /Google_Docs (+196) "/* Sharing unavailable */ screenshot"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Google (-47) "mv google code to dead"
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gRegorLove
Think we can collapse "Dead Silos" and "Dead Services" sections of /Google?
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tantek
nah - the silos are actual loss of content
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tantek
a much bigger problem than "services"
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tantek
important to keep track what actually matters to people (their stuff)
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tantek
and we have more details than the wikipedia list
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tantek
(pretty sure we do already link to the wikipedia list for a see more)
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gRegorLove
Yeah, there's a link to the WP List of Google products page, as well as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Google_services
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tantek
BTW - happy (or sad) 4/04 day
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aaronpk
oh yeah
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tantek
appropriate that we're documenting so much site-death
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gyuumaou
a lesser known site that shut down, that i was a huuuge fan of, was a thing called svpply. collecting cool clothes/products and organizing them with people you follow
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gyuumaou
got bought up by ebay and shutdown.
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tantek
what is svpply?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "svpply" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HT
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tantek
gyuumaou: do you have any links about their shut down?
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aaronpk
someone apparently made a kickstarter to make a new version of it
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gyuumaou
ah, yeah i saw that - i think its the same concept but you dont actually get to curate it yourself which was kind of the whole point
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gyuumaou
it seems the site still exists as a storefront for weird alt-fashions
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loqi.me
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tantek
you broke it you fix it! ;)
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gRegorLove
delete, Loqi. Delete.
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tantek
gRegorLove: you really don't want to be teaching that kind of phrasing to robots. Just saying.
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gRegorLove
Yeah, especially when those bots can also be taught to be Nazis
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gRegorLove
what was svpply?
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Loqi
Svpply was a social shopping site that was acquired by Ebay and shut down 2014-08-31 https://indiewebcamp.com/Svpply
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jonnybarnes
I’m trying to work out how an async response works in §3.3.5 of the micropub spec
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jonnybarnes
If I’m going to create the post asyncronously then I won’t know that the URL will be yet, so what do I put in the Location header?
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aaronpk
you could either do enough work synchronously to decide what URL it will be at before you return the response, or you could return a temporary URL that you then send a permanent redirect to once it's created
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aaronpk
tho afaik every current micropub server creates the post synchronously
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aaronpk
mine does the syndication asynchronously, but the post is created as soon as the response is done
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misuba
why does bridgy hate me so very, very much
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snarfed
aww it doesn't!
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misuba
“Failed:
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misuba
gibberish.com
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misuba
theha.us/profile/misuba “
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snarfed
click on the "X ago" links and see why!
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misuba
with little yellow exclamation points that don’t have a tooltip or a separate link to say why
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misuba
oh on those. ok.
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misuba
so it looks like it’s choking on trying to reach theha.us, which I guess I have to remove from a setting somewhere?
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misuba
nor for me, nor for anyone. the question is, why is brid.gy still looking for it?
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snarfed
oh. because it was in your twitter profile when you signed up. remove it and re-sign up for bridgy and it will disappear
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misuba
re-sign up?
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snarfed
looks like you did already
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misuba
uh… okay. don’t remember doing that but whatever. i just remember being asked to log in and having to reapprove the twitter app
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gRegorLove
"sign up" is just clicking the twitter icon on https://brid.gy/
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tantek
snarfed, is there anything further I can do to help track down the Instagram Bridgy "No webmention targets" failures?
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gRegorLove
It goes through the auth step fresh
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snarfed
tantek: nope, i'm good. i'll get to them eventually :P
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snarfed
misuba: re the gibberish.com wm failure, looks like you're on wordpress and the wp plugin doesn't support home page wms
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misuba
the wp plugin? which one?
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tantek
snarfed, in particular, do I have to keep all the posts on my home page? Or now that it's crawled my home page with 255 recent items will Bridgy remember those even though it recrawls?
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tantek
(e.g. if I drop down to like 4-16 items)
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gRegorLove
misuba: The WP webmention plugin, I believe.
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snarfed
tantek: yes, it stores all synd links permanently
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snarfed
(except if you change them, then it updates its own store)
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tantek
and you'll still be able to look investigate even if I flip my IG profile private again?
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snarfed
i'll pull your html manually right now just in case
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tantek
was just about to flip to 8 items
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snarfed
(btw tantek one good way to get me to prioritize it higher would be to display them on your site! :P)
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tantek
good point
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tantek
already feeling the pressure for events since I haven't been able to convince anyone else to post a HWC SF indie event for this week :(
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Why Webmentions in WordPress by ChrisAldrich" by ChrisAldrich https://david.shanske.com/2016/04/04/why-webmentions-in-wordpress/#comment-2244
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tantek
thanks snarfed. switches flipped.
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snarfed
mazel tov!
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KevinMarks
hm, how do I fb posse that than?
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KevinMarks
known has no posse buttons on event posts
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snarfed
fb api doesn't support it :(
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Loqi
*sniff*
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snarfed
manual til. it...., well, manual
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KevinMarks
so if I link to my indie event as tickets available?
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myfreeweb
hey everyone, i made a micropub thing you probably won't use :D https://unrelenting.technology/notes/2016-04-04-23-02-41
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Loqi
[Greg] I made a thing that lets me post Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup game logs to my website!
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tantek
wow what?
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tantek
acegiak ^^^ (!!!)
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tantek
myfreeweb: you might be surprised to find others that like to log their (video) game playing to their personal sites here
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myfreeweb
nah that wouldn't be surprising… finding someone who plays dcss would be somewhat surprising though…
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snarfed
KevinMarks: you're thinking, for backfeed? you'll want to put it in the description. tickets available may be new, bridgy probably won't see it there
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myfreeweb
it's not a completely obscure game but it's not very popular either
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myfreeweb
I think I'll add nethack too
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tantek
OMS. so many hours sucked into that game.
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myfreeweb
into nethack? :)
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snarfed
still needs to find/add mf2 to https://snarfed.org/games
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] games
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tantek
snarfed, for what consuming code purpose?
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snarfed
tantek: got me
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snarfed
maybe i don't?
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KartikPrabhu
<badoom-tshh>
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snarfed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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tantek
snarfed: right, for what itch to scratch?
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snarfed
yes, i understand the question. none.
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tantek
(I wouldn't have asked either of those 10y ago, but have since learned better than semantic markup for semantic sake)
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KartikPrabhu
what about Semantic Web 3.0 (TM) ;)
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myfreeweb
hah, crawllog adds custom mf2 for no good reason… maybe for an indieweb scoreboard in the future
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snarfed
only curiosity right now
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Loqi
h-review
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KartikPrabhu
making up custom mf2 for no reason is worse that simple mf2 for no reason
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aaronpk
considers making Loqi not say link previews if the entire text of what he's about to say is present in the URL
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Loqi
who, me?
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snarfed
"for no reason" is the key point
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snarfed
custom mf2 for a reason is useful
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tantek
Uh oh they used the key phrase: "we'll be able to continue our journey"
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tantek
what is MetaMind?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "MetaMind" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HV
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bear
adding it to the wiki now
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bear.im
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snarfed: yes agreed
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bear
MetaMind was a machine learning platform to allow for sentiment analysis of text for sales teams, see http://metamind.io
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loqi.me
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tantek
what is Salesforce?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Salesforce" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HW
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tantek
gives bear a chance to respond before he makes a snarkinition
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KartikPrabhu
what is snarkinition?
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Loqi
A snarkinition is a portmanteau of (and meaning both) snarky and definition, often used to start wikifying a technology or piece of jargon which is not necessarily well regarded, sometimes as an implicit challenge to advocates to step-up and say why otherwise https://indiewebcamp.com/snarkinition
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@Dan_Blick
"POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere" via @kinlane #ownyourown Details: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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gRegorLove
There's also grumpinition now
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gRegorLove
What is grumpinition?
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Loqi
A grumpinition is a portmanteau of grumpy and definition meaning a definition written in such a way that the author was clearly upset with the term or phrase being defined, often for specific reasons, which may be explicitly noted in the definition https://indiewebcamp.com/grumpinition
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aaronpk
oh dear. the newbase60 rubygem was unpublished
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tantek
wait wat?
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tantek
what is unpublish?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "unpublish" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HX
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snarfed
unpublish is /delete
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loqi.me
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aaronpk
i dunno, it's gone
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aaronpk
[shaners]: you had previously published the newbase60 gem, right?
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@kinlane
RT @Dan_Blick "POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere" via @kinlane #ownyourown Details: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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@georgekroner
RT @Dan_Blick "POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere" via @kinlane #ownyourown Details: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
(twitter.com/_/status/717137300061364225)
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gRegorLove
What is newbase60?
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aaronpk
well the gem was 1 file, and i had a cached copy elsewhere, so i just put that code inline for now
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aaronpk
i'm curious why [shaners] unpublished it though
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aaronpk
uhoh sorry
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aaronpk
getting some duplicate tweets here. i'm moving the twitter script