#indiewebcamp 2016-04-05

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@anselm_urban Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/anselm_urban/status/717140212032339968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/717140212032339968)
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@ElenorFike RT @anselm_urban Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/anselm_urban/status/717140212032339968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/717140229711376384)
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bear SalesForce is a Contact Relationship Manager software-as-a-service uber silo at http://salesforce.com
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loqi.me created /Salesforce (+128) "prompted by bear and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa, there are apparently spam withknown.com sites
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gRegorLove That's why they took down public registration
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aaronpk ah
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tantek well free registrations anyway. pretty sure you can still pay money for a withknown.com account
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tantek Makes me think the "invite code" pattern is perhaps a good one
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tantek Even Gmail launched that way in 2004
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tantek which gave it super-high quality to start with (that is, senders with @gmail addresses)
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tantek one could even use such invite codes to automatically build a Vouch-graph
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sknebel https://twitter.com/redecentralize/status/717111607160139776
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@redecentralize Restarting our discussion email list - you can sign up here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/redecentralize - apologies that the old one was broken for so long (twitter.com/_/status/717111607160139776)
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tantek heh
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gRegorLove re-de-email
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tantek re-e-mail-ize?
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aaronpk okayyyy twitter search is moved over to new server. hope everything works.
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 104 karma
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aaronpk haha
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snarfed all is right with the (karma) world :P
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aaronpk i don't think there's a good alternative for this one tho
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aaronpk to use the streaming api
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snarfed yeah. sadly twitter's long-lived socket connection architecture there is a bit out of date
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snarfed meh
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aaronpk out of date?
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aaronpk i guess it could be using http2 now
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snarfed arguably webhooks
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snarfed maybe batched/pipelined with http2 for high volume
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aaronpk it's way too high volume for web hooks, i totally get why they don't
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snarfed well that depends on the query
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snarfed but yeah it can be, if they're not batched/pipelined
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aaronpk *sigh* things arne't working quite right under the new server
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aaronpk something something ruby version
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aaronpk upgraded a bunch of libraries and things are looking better
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snarfed hey mf2 experts, is eg rel="in-reply-to" active? deprecated? never existed in the first place?
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snarfed (ie instead of class="u-in-reply-to")
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snarfed background, https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-values#Brainstorming_rel_vs_class says maybe existed, but now deprecated?
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snarfed esp since rels are page-scoped?
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tantek deprecated
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tantek what is rel-in-reply-to
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Loqi rel=in-reply-to is a rel value for indicating the destination of a link is an original post that the current page is a reply to http://indiewebcamp.com/rel-in-reply-to
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KevinMarks shoudl we mark it deprecated on http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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snarfed background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/643
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Loqi existing rel values
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snarfed thx tantek
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tantek KevinMarks: it's not replaced by another rel value so no not in that context
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tantek the problem that deprecation is addressing applies to numerous rel values
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KevinMarks hm http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-in-reply-to doesn't quite deprecate it
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Loqi rel-in-reply-to
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tantek right
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tantek there is some updating to do
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tantek.com edited /rel-in-reply-to (+82) "use u-in-reply-to instead in dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /rel-in-reply-to (+15) "linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /rel-values (+301) "/* Brainstorming rel vs class */ note u-* superseding and link to optional legacy for more" (view diff)
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@GPL_Life RT @DesktopServer Learn the difference in pingbacks, trackbacks & mentions in this #tutorial http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ https://twitter.com/DesktopServer/status/717124793808658432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/717167195411718144)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Mozilla Project: 2016-04-04" by Jesper Kristensen http://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2360
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@aaronpk @codyaray I can log in to that forum with my OpenID via IndieAuth just fine. (twitter.com/_/status/717190549191569410)
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@aaronpk @codyaray but no https://indieauth.com/ doesn't support OpenID 2, it's not really a replacement for 1. (twitter.com/_/status/717190805027315713)
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@aaronpk @codyaray ah you're delegating to https://indieauth.com/ as an openid2 provider. Drop that tag and it should be fine. (twitter.com/_/status/717195864981311490)
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@fonte011 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/717198055699832832)
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aaronpk :-) https://twitter.com/codyaray/status/717197404290813952
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@codyaray @aaronpk thanks! I'll give it a shot tomorrow! PS great support! :) (twitter.com/_/status/717197404290813952)
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@SkillzBook RT @fonte011 Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/717198705275899904)
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tantek aaronpk++ nicely done!
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Loqi aaronpk has 105 karma
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gyuumaou i dont like bootstrap
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gyuumaou unrelated, does anyone know of any decent rss aggregator i can install on my site? running php
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tantek what is bootstrap?
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Loqi Bootstrap is a large collection of boilerplate HTML and CSS styles and components originally developed by Twitter https://indiewebcamp.com/Bootstrap
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tantek what is an aggregator?
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Loqi A feed reader is an application (local or on the web, like the defunkt Google Reader) that subscribes to feeds (typically legacy Atom & RSS) and presents them in an interface for reading https://indiewebcamp.com/aggregator
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tantek gyuumaou: ^^^ check that for rss aggregators that people may be using!
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gyuumaou thank you; i tend to forget this is built around a wiki so i dont think to search.
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KevinMarks i don't like bootstrap either
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Loqi [bridgy] James Weiner replied '@tommorris yeah, it's hard to keep a business going when you don't have any mone...' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/jamesweiner/status/717254611585908736)
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@ChrisNPI RT @ThemeIsle Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress - Trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions are all ways to l... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/717269400332738560)
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j4y_funabashi Anyone know of any good open source icons to use for post types, action buttons etc?
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[kevinmarks] Noun project? Material icons?
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: perhaps any of https://useiconic.com/open, http://collecticons.io/, https://octicons.github.com/ ?
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j4y_funabashi voxpelli kevinmarks thanks, they look great
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Loqi [indieweb] "If Not This Then Something Else" by john http://johnjohnston.info/blog/if-not-this-then-something-else/
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@jamesduffell Trackbacks vs pingbacks vs webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/717310810725416960)
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kylewm aaronpk: if the are still spam withknown sites, I think Ben would like to know
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 3/30 at 2:06pm: I won't be here 2016-06-15 and 29 - could you pick an SF location for those two HWCs? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-30/line/1459371985246
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 3/30 at 3:12pm: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club HWC SF? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-30/line/1459375963228
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 day, 12 hours ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco and update the page there? Thanks much! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459727714282
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kylewm Oops :p
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acegiak OK my friend's coworkers are being targeted by Gamergate for daring to put a transwoman in a popular franchise. Time to start removing personal information from my blog
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+583) "adding Revolv to the list" (view diff)
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@tommorris Added Revolv to the list of site deaths. https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths Won't be long until Google oust Yahoo! as executioner-in-chief. (twitter.com/_/status/717336622824628224)
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jonnybarnes acegiak: :(
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snarfed !tell tantek just fyi, i haven't fully figured out why your other IG responses haven't backfed, but it may not end up a high priority. accounts switching back and forth btw public/private definitely isn't a case that bridgy sees much or has much practice with, especially applying to older responses. (it stores and reuses most of the post/response data internally, eg public/private.)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed !tell tantek sorry. let me know if you disagree!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" http://calagator.org/events/1250470073
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Loqi [indieweb] "indieweb/date-formatter (0.3.1)" by Aaron Parecki https://packagist.org/packages/indieweb/date-formatter
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aaronpk so should I be sending webmentions to URLs of the people who leave comments on my post? now that I re-read /salmention it doesn't actually say to do that
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tantek always design it from the UI down to the protocols, so in this case, what are the notifications those commenters should see?
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 45 minutes ago: just fyi, i haven't fully figured out why your other IG responses haven't backfed, but it may not end up a high priority. accounts switching back and forth btw public/private definitely isn't a case that bridgy sees much or has much practice with, especially applying to older responses. (it stores and reuses most of the post/response data internally, eg public/private.) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-05/line/1459867365008
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 45 minutes ago: sorry. let me know if you disagree! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-05/line/1459867372978
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aaronpk in this case it indicates that their comment was accepted/approved and is now displayed on my site
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aaronpk i don't actually moderate comments, but many people do, and it would indicate that the comment passed the moderation step
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tantek snarfed: definitely not a high priority for Bridgy. Was hoping you could use the data to perhaps find other bugs as I think many of those cases should have worked (e.g. before I flipped my account to private 2015-02-??, but after the nested h-feed bugfix on 2015-12-31)
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tantek aaronpk: interesting. in that case, first document that as a /notification use-case, and then link from there to /Salmention as the mechanism for enabling it
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tantek basically, we should stick to a pretty strict practice of not "just" implementing protocols for protocols sake, but rather first requiring ourselves to explicitly document the desired UI effects, and precisely how those require what protocol interactions, and then and only then actually implement those protocol interactions
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tantek it will force us to only implement plumbing when necessary for specific UX, rather than getting lost in the classic dev-centric plumbing implementation for plumbing's sake trap
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tantek invited ~140 people to HWC SF - let's see if the Bridgy webmentions show up here ;)
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aaronpk yes that makes sense. I think I implemented this without thinking about it because it wasn't a huge leap from how I am sending webmentions for links in my posts.
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aaronpk but then snarfed pointed out he was surprised to see a webmention sent from my page immediately after he sent one to me
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snarfed which reminds me, i still need to figure out how to preserve event invite/rsvp backfeed after FB turns off API support. :/ https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/433
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harryreeder.co.uk created /events/2016-04-05-homebrew-website-club (+2092) "HWCEdi 5th April 2016" (view diff)
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aaronpk huh, it's actually *harder* for me to not send webmentions to links in comments
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aaronpk i have to write code to explicitly exclude the mf2 tree for the properties "like" "comment" "repost" etc
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snarfed yeah understandable
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snarfed and aaronpk your point is well taken, it's absolutely on me to handle arbitrary wms
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snarfed hence https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/issues/28
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snarfed totally ok if you leave your side as is
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aaronpk i'm going to remove it since there isn't a good reason to have it, but the "u-like" bug in semantic-linkbacks that tantek fixed is still definitely necessary
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aaronpk okay that should do it
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tantek aaronpk: the use-case for resending webmentions to earlier comments, when someone makes a new comment, is the notification "So-and-so also commented on a post by Aaron Parecki"
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tantek the *Salmention use-case that is
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aaronpk that's not actually documented in /Salmention tho
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aaronpk Salmention says "then resend Webmentions to everything the original post sent webmentions to" which is not the same as sending webmentions to URLs in comments
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www.svenknebel.de created /gitlab-pages (+485) "page created, differences to GitHub Pages" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /GitLab (+112) "add link to GitLab Pages" (view diff)
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sknebel GitLab pages seems interesting for people running static site generators
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sknebel if I understand correctly, Github pages requires an external build service if you want more than stock Jekyll, GitLab integrates with their own, so you can run whatever SSG you want
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voxpelli +1 on aaronpk interpretation on Salmentions
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aaronpk voxpelli: i don't even know how i'm voting on this :P what do you mean?
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voxpelli sknebel: yes, it requires that you push the HTML then, but one can make eg. Travis do the build for you
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voxpelli aaronpk: the "not sending mentions to comments"
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aaronpk you think we should *not* send webmentions to comments?
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voxpelli Yes
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sknebel voxpelli: ok, then I remembered that right. Readymade examples + not having to link 2 services hopefully makes it even easier for people to get started
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voxpelli aaronpk: I think of Salmentions as purely upstream
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aaronpk tantek's example is interesting, is there a different way of accomplishing this?
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voxpelli probably, it's at least distinct from the upstream flow
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voxpelli has to run to a board meeting
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tantek aaronpk - yes, the use-cases are informing likely alterations to the protocol
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tantek hence the need to document them, so the trail of reasoning for protocol changes is clear
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moisesdeniz.com edited /2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+299) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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GWG I've decided to table the Indieweb plugin for a bit, since I feel stuck on that, and switch over to a PR for the Webmention plugin that brings it closer to the specification
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/64
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aaronpk i finally restored the little clicking grid thing on my super old website http://2008.aaronparecki.com/
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Loqi cleverdevil: tantek left you a message 1 day, 16 hours ago: did you two figure out HWC Los Angeles for this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459727803135
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cleverdevil oh dear, I forgot to check back in on that
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cleverdevil been busy with a thing ( http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/05/dreamhosts-openstack-powered-ec2-rival-comes-out-of-beta/ )
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snarfed oh wow
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snarfed openstack++
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Loqi openstack has 1 karma
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cleverdevil $4.50/month for a cloud server ain't bad :)
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snarfed totally!
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snarfed that's what i'm paying for the t2-nano that runs http://huffduff-video.snarfed.org/ right now
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snarfed cleverdevil++ congrats!
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Loqi cleverdevil has 6 karma
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cleverdevil I think you also have to pay for EBS, though, right?
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cleverdevil thanks, snarfed :)
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snarfed cleverdevil: maybe, but the EBS cost is noticeably less
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cleverdevil yeah, def.
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snarfed (bandwidth is actually the long pole for that project. $40ish/mo for that alone. s3, ec2, etc are barely noticeable :P)
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@jgmac1106 @acroom @sunnydeveloper @soletelee @wiobyrne @benwerd #indieweb Anyone want to answer quick question? https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/717392629969752064 (twitter.com/_/status/717393530302439425)
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gRegorLove Re: notifications of follow-up comments on posts via webmention, I'd rather that be an opt-in thing.
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gRegorLove What is notification?
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indiewebcamp.com/notification
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gRegorLove What is follow-up comment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "follow-up comment" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10HZ
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aaronpk gRegorLove: of course it's up to your site to decide what to do with that webmention if it gets one
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gRegorLove Of course. But I'd rather not get them, 90% of the time.
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aaronpk the other way to handle those would be a subscription mechanism, subscribing to the "feed" of comments
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aaronpk using PuSH for example
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snarfed gRegorLove: arguably your site needs to be able to handle arbitrary wms ok, since anyone can send one with any source/target
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snarfed (i was in your shoes a few days ago, and eventually came around to this :P)
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gRegorLove I'm sure my site would handle them fine.
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gRegorLove By processing them needlessly and rejecting them
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snarfed cool, then you're fine
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gRegorLove I'd just rather avoid that needless processing.
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snarfed sounds like premature optimizing
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[kevinmarks] Hm, acegiak does show the comment thread If the webmentions are sent
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snarfed the volume here for the average site is so low that it's hard to believe it matters
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gRegorLove On some current comment forms there's a checkbox "notify me of replies"
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[kevinmarks] But that only works if both sides send them
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aaronpk and on forums too
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[kevinmarks] Right, but that is an out of band email notification
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[kevinmarks] Known emails you when it receives webmentions by default
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aaronpk every notification is out of band, by definition :P
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gRegorLove I like the idea of subscribing in a reader
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[kevinmarks] Well, it's different when the comment is in a silo. It can't ping the comment url
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gRegorLove FB auto-subscribes you to notifications when you interact with a status. I often will immediately unsubscribe after I comment because I don't need to hear that all these people I don't know also commented.
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@StacyKingsleyZH Info from the Monte Sano Writer's Conference. #writersconference #writing #selfpublished #indieauth... http:///oh-the-horror/monte-sano-writers-conference via @weebly (twitter.com/_/status/717399387299667972)
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aaronpk i just converted my old .mov and .flv videos to .m4v and now they work in a <video> tag! \o/
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KevinMarks yay
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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KevinMarks finally: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-could-flash-video-stop-being.html
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aaronpk i was kind of surprised that ffmpeg handled the flv and mov files without blinking
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KevinMarks well, they are fairly stable specs
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KevinMarks mp4 is basically mov with a some extra constraints and a few random changes for no good reason
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KevinMarks flv is now documented
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aaronpk video codecs are one of those things I don't really want to know how or why they work I just want them to work
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KevinMarks that's reasonable
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KevinMarks I know enough about how the work to be surprised that work as well as they do, as they treat the world as squares moving in 2d
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KevinMarks http://epeus.blogspot.com/2013/05/finally-some-progress-in-video-codecs.html
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KevinMarks hm, this is an interesting bit of product naming: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/flexible/
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KevinMarks "App Engine Flexible Environment" vs "App Engine Standard Environment"
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snarfed the boundary btw app engine and gcp sees a *lot* of churn
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snarfed backends => modules => managed vms => manual scaling => flexible
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snarfed (probably got some of that wrong, but still)
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snarfed org stuff leaking into product
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KevinMarks hm: Instance startup time: standard: Milliseconds flexible:Minutes
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KevinMarks and login is deprecated, and ti recommends an Identity Toolkit that 404s
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snarfed KevinMarks: yeah that kind of thing is why i haven't yet seriously attempted https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/issues/9 :(:(:(
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snarfed hey bear i'm trying to find an example of anyone publishing p-content in the wild. i'd love to use indie-stats. is that possible?
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bear sure
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bear it has an api(ish)
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snarfed which supports search by arbitrary class?
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bear uhh, api(ish) - but if you give me some pointers on how to search for that I can add it
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snarfed heh ok, looking at the api
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bear I was waiting for a concrete reason to move the raw data into something more searchable - this sounds like a good reason
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bear oh, don't look to close - it was my first flask api
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snarfed basically my hope was that it indexed crawled pages by mf2 class, e.g. h-entry, p-content, u-like-of, so that i could give it one of those and it would give me back all pages/sites that use it
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bear I store the mf2 json blob in it's entirety
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bear for each day for each domain
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bear I also store the html returned in case we ever need to regenerate that mf2 blob
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snarfed cool. but no search functionality like this yet?
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KevinMarks the mf2 blob loses p- vs e- distinction though
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bear no, I was waiting for a reason so I had something real to target
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snarfed KevinMarks: exactly, hence indexing by html class
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snarfed bear: ok! feature request then. :P i have a question like this once a month or so. more examples in the first paragraph on http://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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bear can you file a ticket for me (in a work meeting)
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bear this is an example of what I currently store: https://indie-stats.com/api/v1/domains/snarfed.org
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snarfed sure! will do. it's a non-trivial request anyway
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bear yea, I need to think about how to build the graph of results
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bear so it can be searched without having to use hadoop ;)
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snarfed index at crawl time, store index in json?
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snarfed i'll just file
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bear but I was looking for a reason to migrate this to a better implementation using flask - so I'll get on it
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bear yea, I currently run counting scripts across the returned json each day
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bear so adding a key extraction pass or something would not be very hard to do
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bear hmm, then the result could be a list of api calls for each domain/day
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bear i'll add those thoughts to the issue
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bear snarfed - oh, this is part of issue #8
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snarfed kind of! if you want to expand it to that
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bear yea, doing that now
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snarfed the title is more limited, but the initial description definitely yes
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bear adjusted the title
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GWG Good afternoon all
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bear waves to GWG
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GWG Hi, bear. Anything new Indieweb wise?
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bear got my micropub stuff working and wired up for events on the static site
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bear chewing on how to make stats better
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GWG I've been stuck on the same problem for a while, so I am tabling it
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bear yea, i saw - sometimes it is better to move on to something else and let your brain chew on the problem in the background
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GWG I just wanted to finish that project. But I was instead accomplishing nothing
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bear you accomplished a lot - all of the things you didn't add or removed or tweaked all count
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bear plus the wrong implementations you avoided
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bear (oops, have to go afk, back in a bit)
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GWG I am hoping that the improvements to Webmentions will be worth it.
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gRegorLove What improvements are you working on, GWG?
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GWG First is making the plugin to specifications
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GWG The current version retrieves the source before verifying the validity of the target.
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GWG And funneling the content of the source to Semantic Linkbacks.
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GWG Currently, Semantic Linkbacks retrieves the source again.
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GWG So, much of that is refactoring that will lead to other possibilities.
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@GoWhatArmy 🔔 #Trackbacks vs #Pingbacks vs #Webmentions for #WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ by @wpmudev #marketing #startup https://twitter.com/GoWhatArmy/status/717439163545595904/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/717439163545595904)
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jonnybarnes anyone here use GPG?
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singpolyma jonnybarnes: I do
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jonnybarnes any idea why the ascii output of https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4E8DDC0EDE5D23A6 would be different to gpg2 -a --export 0x4E8DDC0EDE5D23A6?
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jonnybarnes that being my key id obviously
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singpolyma jonnybarnes: they have a different sent of signatures from you?
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jonnybarnes maybe? could signatures change ascii?
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singpolyma jonnybarnes: yes, since they are part of the key
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jonnybarnes singpolyma: right, that must be whats going on
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed hey tantek
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snarfed crosses fingers that fb launches api v2.6 at https://fbf8.com/ so we can start backfeeding reactions
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singpolyma snarfed: haha. you wish
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singpolyma more like announces the termination of all remaining APIs
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snarfed it actually sounds fairly likely
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snarfed hah or that
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singpolyma I will be happy if I am wrong (which I probably am ;) )
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snarfed eh that'd actually be kinda nice. i'd just switch to scraping which would probably be easier overall
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singpolyma scrape all the things!
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snarfed :(
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tantek backfeeding their limited reacji?
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snarfed yes
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snarfed it'd be the first reacji backfeed afaik
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/626
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tantek yeah, no one POSSEs to Path or Slack AFAIK (other silos with reacji)
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snarfed ppl manually posse to github a bit, but no backfeed afaik yet
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tantek interesting - Swarm does not give you "coins" credit for photos posted via IG, only on photos posted directly as part of a checkin on Swarm
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tantek thus lending more credence to the theory that photos (in general) on Swarm are treated like comments unless they are literally attached at the precisely moment of checkin directly using the app
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gRegorLove I thought Path had died, but apparently not
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gregorlove.com edited /Path (+19) "link" (view diff)
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tantek I think it got acquired but is somehow limping along?
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gRegorLove I like that TRON-like unsubscribe screenshot
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tantek yeah! that was pleasing
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gRegorLove According to wikipedia, looks like it's still the same company.
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gRegorLove Also interesting "Indonesia is the world's largest Path userbase with more than 4 million users."
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[shaners] Good afternoon, <!channel>.
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 21 hours ago: did you two figure out HWC Los Angeles for this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-03/line/1459727803135
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gRegorLove Scratch that, misread. Acquired May 2015
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bear FYI - GitHub is having a major outage
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, <!shaners>
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[shaners] tantek: I did not yet. :confused:
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aaronpk gRegorLove: you can just type [shaners] like you would in IRC. :-) the bridge translates it
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gRegorLove I know. Just making a play off of how his greeting showed up
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[shaners] I’ve giving a lunch time tech talk about #indieweb in a few weeks. Then I’m gonna (try to) start up a weekly HWC after that.
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aaronpk oh [shaners] what happened to your newbase60 gem?
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[shaners] GitHub is down for maintenance
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[shaners] https://rubygems.org/gems/new_base_60
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aaronpk scratches his head
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aaronpk https://rubygems.org/gems/newbase60 is gone
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aaronpk and was yours http://web.archive.org/web/20100729225503/http://rubygems.org/gems/newbase60
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[shaners] I saw a talk by @drbrain about gem naming conventions and changed it based on his advice. That was a few years back.
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aaronpk ...years?
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[shaners] Think so.
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[shaners] aaronpk: when GH is back up, I’ll give you commit to it.
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aaronpk wow
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[shaners] Looks like 1.1.2 - August 17, 2013 (7 KB) was the first of the renamed one.
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aaronpk i've been moving things around on my servers, and tried to bundle install my twitter search code which used that gem, and it said it was disappeared
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aaronpk oh dear, there's also https://rubygems.org/gems/new_base60
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[shaners] ah jeez
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[shaners] https://github.com/veganstraightedge/new_base_60
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tantek lol. all your newbase60
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[shaners] aaronpk: looks like you already have commit to it.
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aaronpk kewl
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[shaners] Any other Ruby folks have interest in it?
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aaronpk i must have not bundle installed that project in ages
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[shaners] Which one is that?
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aaronpk my streaming twitter search script
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[shaners] ah
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[shaners] GitHub is having issues.
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gRegorLove /Github#Downtime
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adactio.com edited /events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club (+122) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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tantek whoa awesome it's happening!
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adactio.com edited /events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club (+69) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tantek adactio++ for making HWC Brighton happen this week!
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Loqi adactio has 25 karma
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tantek shaners, cleverdevil - you two were discussing the possibility of doing HWC LA at Dreamhost HQ in downtown LA right?
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cleverdevil yeah, we briefly floated the idea
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cleverdevil but, I have been slammed
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cleverdevil I am happy to help host, but I'm pretty busy at the moment, so I likely won't be able to help organize :/
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@adactio I can’t make it but there’s a Homebrew Website Club in Brighton tomorrow https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/717469893810069504)
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tantek NICE
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tantek cleverdevil: that's a totally reasonable caveat and still very helpful! (getting a venue and host makes a huge difference)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+15) "Brighton is a go for this week" (view diff)
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tantek anyone hear from jgarber?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+29) "/* April */ Brighton is on for tomorrow" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club (+78) "move Brighton to the tops of section, note adactio regrets per tweet" (view diff)
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@WordPressCare Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/717473019082457088)
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@aaronpk Need an excuse to spend some time on your personal website? Come to Homebrew Website Club tomorrow! http://calagator.org/events/1250470073 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/717475180226830336)
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[shaners] what is rsvp?
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Loqi An RSVP is a type of post that is a reply to an event post https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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KevinMarks so what do I need to make bridgy send me event rsvps?
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snarfed KevinMarks: same as usual, backlink in the event (description) or synd link from your site
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KevinMarks hm, known won't let me add the rel to an event
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[shaners] what is h-x-username?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-x-username" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10H_
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[shaners] tantek ^^^
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KevinMarks ah, OK backlinked in description. how do Imake bridgy recrawl?
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snarfed KevinMarks: poll button on your bridgy user page :P
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snarfed may not apply to already seen rsvps though
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tantek shane, why? where did that come up above?
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KevinMarks mine or indeiwebcamps?
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tantek shaners
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snarfed KevinMarks: whoever owns the event
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[shaners] I was looking at the source of your RSVP post linked from /rsvp
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[shaners] http://tantek.com/2013/264/t1/indiewebcamp-breakfast-rsvp
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] going to #IndieWebCamp breakfast 9am @theoriginalpdx cc: @benwerd @blaine @daltonc @evanpro @kevinmarks RSVP: http://aaronparecki.com/events/2013/09/21/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast
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snarfed KevinMarks: oh if it's indiewebcamp's, and the event is on your site, you also need to add your domain to indiewebcamp's fb profile and re-sign up w/bridgy
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KevinMarks hm
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snarfed eg see kylewm.com on https://brid.gy/facebook/688447421193285
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snarfed (that req't was part of tightening down posse vs mention etc interpretation, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 )
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tantek shaners, the h-x-username is just part of the auto-linking - nothing to do with RSVP
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tantek though I could see how it might look like it's an attempt at invitaitons or something
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tantek I think barnabywalters asked for it, maybe for styling purposes? maybe I should just use some other non-uf class name
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tantek worth re-assessing
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[shaners] oh i see
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[shaners] i think using a non-uf classname would be less ambiguous
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tantek yes that's good feedback. can you file a gh issue on that? re: auto_link function
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KevinMarks OK, added my site too
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tantek now I think you have to recrawl something
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KevinMarks or someone has to respond to the invite
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KevinMarks is kyle still in NYC?
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tantek pretty sure benwerd is going
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gRegorLove I think kylewm's flying/flew back today
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kylewm rsvped!
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snarfed KevinMarks: why wait, click the poll now button!