#indiewebcamp 2016-04-21

2016-04-21 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "TONIGHT Homebrew Website Club @MozSF!
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tantek whoa Twitter changed the type of tweet permalinks from serif to sans-serif!!!
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tantek finally making it consistent with the stream view
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tantek Am I the only person who notices these inconsistencies and when they change?
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: TONIGHT Homebrew Website Club @MozSF! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-20-homebrew-website-club #IndieWeb Nuremberg demos #Webmention WD #IWCNYC2 is on! (ttk.me t4gr5) (twitter.com/_/status/722938584500539392)
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[shaners] I almost never look at twitter.com. I almost only ever user Twitter.app Mac/iOS
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tantek shaners, I find the launch time / click latency of "native" apps too slow :(
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tantek seriously why do they take so much longer to load and show info and be usable than a web page
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KartikPrabhu but, but they are APPS ;)
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tantek lol
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tantek where's that cargo cult dfn
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tantek KartikPrabhu: wait til APPS have been mass abandoned for BOTS
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kylewm gregorlove: i like this one for fixing in production http://m.imgur.com/jxY7Ywz?r
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: have a cookie
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tantek kylewm: all I see is http://s.imgur.com/images/loaders/ddddd1_181817/48.gif
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tantek js;dr
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tantek loaders gonna load load load
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tantek seriously, imgur does not have a fallback for showing an image without JS?
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tantek it's not called jsgur, it's called imgur. someone please send them a memo
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tantek what is imgur
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Loqi imgur is an image hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/imgur
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tantek.com edited /imgur (+148) "seems to depend on js" (view diff)
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tantek what is imgur?
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Loqi imgur is an image hosting silo that seems to ironically depend on js to show you an image, except for 48.gif https://indiewebcamp.com/imgur
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tantek lol
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tantek hah I think I just hotlinked their "loading" image
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tantek which Loqi chooses to show as "48.gif"
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Loqi :)
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tantek hmm - perhaps we should do something similar for parsing image URLs into mf2
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tantek use just the last path segment instead of the whole URL
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gRegorLove With JS off in Chrome, I get a poster image fo the gif with player controls, but they don't do anything
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[kevinmarks] When it's a p- you mean?
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tantek seems to me all we have to do is build small/fast indieweb(-friendly) websites that don't depend on js, and then just wait for the corporate web to implode under its own weight and fragility
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gRegorLove Weird usage of the m. subdomain, too. The regular imgur.com link for the gif redirects there.
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tantek gRegorLove: same problem for me with http://imgur.com/jxY7Ywz?r
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tantek m. or not
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tantek no difference
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gRegorLove Yeah, it redirects to the m.
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gRegorLove Hm, or not. It did for me once.
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aaronpk lol i actually find the twitter app loads things way faster than the website now that the site loads several megs and modals on top of modals
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes
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aaronpk emmak and I are here at HWC PDX
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[kevinmarks] The amazingly slow part of the app is when they offer highlights, which take minutes to load
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aaronpk weird network issues at the coffee shop so we can only get to the ipv6 part of the internet
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[kevinmarks] I'm at Mozilla in reception, but no tantek yet
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[kevinmarks] yay, 5 of us here so far
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Loqi [indieweb] "I 20% want to make an #indieweb kylewm_ebooks that POSSEs nonsense and replies to webmentions" https://kylewm.com/2016/04/i-20%2525-want-to-make-an-indieweb-kylewm_ebooks-that-posses
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Loqi [indieweb] "Moving kylewm.com to Known #indieweb" https://kylewm.com/2016/01/moving-kylewmcom-to-known-indieweb
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kylewm bah!
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KevinMarks hah
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aaronpk now discussing the micropub spec
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aaronpk and form-encoding vs json vs multipart
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kylewm aaronpk: does webmention.io support deletes?
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kylewm aaronpk: I ask because https://webmention.io/aaronpk/webmention/ZztJLjtVPsRDQEZ6T-mY
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aaronpk that is a great question
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aaronpk hah apparently not
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aaronpk :/
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kylewm something nefarious might be happening because I can't delete stuff from werd.io or known.kevinmarks.com and I *know* known supports delets
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aaronpk hm, well looks like webmention.io isn't handling deletes at all. good thing i'm close to writing a test for that on webmention.rocks
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tantek aaronpk - where?
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aaronpk kylewm's link
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tantek where "discussing"
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk at HWC!
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tantek NICE
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tantek we are deep in quiet writing mode here in SF
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tantek I'm furiously adding to wiki apges
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aaronpk got some good feedback from emmak
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tantek s/apges/pages
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I'm furiously adding to wiki pages
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tantek.com edited /2016/Nuremberg/Demos (+2343) "add explicit obvious site URLs for each demo, copy more demo notes from KevinMarks with permission" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] I got attribution wrong on one demo
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aaronpk whoa lightning
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[kevinmarks] https://miklb.com wasn't there. Someone else was using his template and I got confused
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aaronpk crazy portland weather
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tantek o rly
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aaronpk yeah also it was like 86 degrees today
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tantek sweet!
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[kevinmarks] tantek, have you engaged with WICG?
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tantek what is WICG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WICG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JP
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aaronpk lol https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/20/10/ipv6
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Suddenly motivated to add IPv6 to my servers. This coffee shop is only giving me an IPv6 address so the whole IPv4 Internet is inaccessible.
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KevinMarks WICG is the Web Platform Incubator Community Group https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/ a way to develop standards without mailing lists
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loqi.me created /WICG (+161) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461202249142 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk i had to SSH to my server's IPv6 address then tunnel all my traffic through it in order to reach IPv4 addresses
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Welcome to Homebrew Website Club (twitter.com/_/status/722961422997663744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this last weekend was Indiewebcamp Nürnberg which had a good turnout http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/722961639390240768)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: A lot of the Nürnberg attendees had been to Indiewebcamp Dusseldorf last year, but about half were new (twitter.com/_/status/722961809049812992)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: There were a lot of additions to people's websites and new code read the demos here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Demos (twitter.com/_/status/722961972170489856)
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KartikPrabhu 50% growth! pretty good
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KartikPrabhu "Indieweb-a-mania is running wild"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Pelle @voxpelli got a polyfill for web actions working so you can comment on other sites using your own (twitter.com/_/status/722962139565187072)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: A lot of people got service workers and offline pages working for their own sites (twitter.com/_/status/722962213238132736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: We had a very good discussion about homepages and design, which inspired some changes (twitter.com/_/status/722962348558942209)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @adactio added sparklines to his homepage to show activity of different kinds of posts (twitter.com/_/status/722962499667124224)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a lot of homepages were a stream of recent posts; others were more of a bio (twitter.com/_/status/722962648745299968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I changed my homepage so that when on a narrow screen it links down to the bio stuff at the bottom (twitter.com/_/status/722962968523235328)
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@tbiz Ok #webmentions sounds cool #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/722963372350660608)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: https://webmention.rocks/ is a validator too as it it gives detailed debugging information in the http response (twitter.com/_/status/722963621840621568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: there are 12-13 implementations passing https://webmention.rocks/ from ~18 different peopl (twitter.com/_/status/722963720121516032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: There are great photos from IndieWebCamp Nürnberg at https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157664909577964/ by @iwontsignuphere (twitter.com/_/status/722964294955094020)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp is a 2 day long event wheer we talk about ideas and build new things, usually over a weekend (twitter.com/_/status/722964671276421120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we just got a venue for a second Indiewebcamp NYC at the end of August http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC2 - tell your NY friends (twitter.com/_/status/722964908569145344)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the co-organiser of IWC NYC , Emma Hodge set up her own site http://emmahodge.org at an indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/722965245745049600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on (twitter.com/_/status/722966689118339072)
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GWG Evening
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Homebrew Website Club is a fortnightly catch-up where we talk about what we have done on our sites recently (twitter.com/_/status/722964555136131073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you (twitter.com/_/status/722966941648977920)
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@planspark RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on (twitter.com/_/status/722967074314711040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: this is built on top of another thing called Secure Scuttlebutt (twitter.com/_/status/722967177951850496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too (twitter.com/_/status/722967764726624256)
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tantek what is Patchwork?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Patchwork" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JQ
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tantek evening GWG - we just announced IndieWebCamp NYC2
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tantek here at HWC SF
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GWG tantek: Did anything else happen?
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GWG At HWC?
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GWG I'm excited about NYC2?
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tantek you're not sure?
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GWG Maybe we need a different name?
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GWG Indiewebcamp Manhattan?
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tantek bikeshed away! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC2
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Next week: Internet Identity Workshop XXII #iiw if indieweb people want to come I'll help http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/722968131937947649)
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kylewm what is Patchwork?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Patchwork" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JR
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kylewm Patchwork is http://ssbc.github.io/patchwork/.
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loqi.me created /Patchwork (+73) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461203945955 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is PKI?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PKI" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JS
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/ (twitter.com/_/status/722969186474024960)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+667) "add IIW, WoT" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/722969423733252096)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @BarnabyWalters sang a round with himself using his website as a looper https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4goFfB/ (twitter.com/_/status/722970345318162436)
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tantek what is HOPE?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HOPE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JT
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GWG HOPE is Hackers on Planet Earth, an annual conference in New York.
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tantek HOPE is Hackers On Planet Earth, a bi-annual conference that is sort of like burning man in a building with hackers in New York City
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loqi.me created /HOPE (+93) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-20/line/1461204552248 and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /HOPE (+96) "biannual etc" (view diff)
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GWG I've never been.
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GWG I'm convinced I'll be conned
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KevinMarks Web of Trussed
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tantek GWG, yes they call that "social engineering
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tantek "
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Jesus: I am setting up a site at https://t.co/5R1Uqp0qua, but now it is just a denied page, so it is secure (twitter.com/_/status/722974859479928836)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+420) "/* Upcoming */ add a few more for each month" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: I just updated my portfolio site at http://www.katiejohnson.me/ during quiet writing hour (twitter.com/_/status/722975499878862848)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm moving deckchairs around on the titanic on my site (twitter.com/_/status/722975607005519872)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I switched my site to Known in January, but i just switched my main site back to redwind, so https://known.kylewm.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/722975795908628480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I accidentally sent out webmentions to a lot of people because I changed URLs, so now we're testing Delete on (twitter.com/_/status/722975952175812609)
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KevinMarks I changed to respecting order of webmention links
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KevinMarks which was simpler
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tantek.com edited /Events (+48) "most past to April in the past" (view diff)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: One of the things going on at IWC Nuremberg was this Sparkline thing. @adactio was using a thing @sil wrote years ago (twitter.com/_/status/722977296764813313)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: brilliant thing embeds a script inside of the svg tag; but generated numbers inside the tag weren't so pretty (twitter.com/_/status/722977515329994752)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: So I changed it so the URL has the numbers in it, and the script draws it as a polyline http://www.kevinmarks.com/sparkline.svg?59%2C80%2C80%2C100%2C68%2C62%2C87%2C72%2C42%2C49%2C58%2C53%2C57%2C51%2C42%2C32%2C37%2C30%2C24%2C38%2C57%2C29%2C18%2C32%2C38%2C24%2C24%2C24%2C20%2C21%2C29%2C32%2C26%2C18%2C32%2C36%2C30%2C36%2C29%2C32%2C29%2C28%2C41%2C20%2C28%2C58%2C18%2C24%2C16%2C17%2C22%2C17%2C22%2C21%2C12%2C22%2C14%2C13%2C11%2C20%2C16%2C16%2C18%2C12%2C28%2C28%2C32%2C16%2C16%2C24%2C16%2C20%2C14%2C18%2C12%2C26%2C17%2C11%2C30%2C16%2C9%2C20%2C42%2C13%2C13%2C24%2C17%2C13%2C20%2C12%2C14%2C13%2C14%2C71%2C82%2C20%2C16%2C20%2C22%2C17%2C5= (twitter.com/_/status/722977757945274368)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: it's really nice if you're posting data on the web, for the data to still be there (twitter.com/_/status/722977931878871041)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: (Q: why SVG instead of an regular image?) The nice thing about an SVG is it's really small but scales smoothly (twitter.com/_/status/722978204093435904)
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@kevinmarks indiewebcamp logo http://svgur.com/s/4f #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/722978780080271364)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+10) "next is Düsseldorf, add NYC2!" (view diff)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: I made svgur bc usually to share svgs you have to convert to png and then they'll convert it to a jpeg or something (twitter.com/_/status/722979065767047168)
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@kylewmahan #indieweb @kevinmarks: the nice thing is if you share a link to svgur on Twitter, it generates a bitmap image for the preview (twitter.com/_/status/722979181122981888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: Is anyone going to the Grey Area festival this weekend? it's about data visualisation and Art (twitter.com/_/status/722976071432429568)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-19) "next HWCs, optimistically include all recent-ish cities, plus LA!" (view diff)
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tantek wonders how long it will take the IndieWebCamp banner to show Düsseldorf as the next IWC!
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: let's take another photo (twitter.com/_/status/722980495517212673)
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tantek all wrapped up here in HWC SF!
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tantek hoping that does the trick
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "2016-05-04" (view diff)
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@davidmead RT @kevinmarks indiewebcamp logo http://svgur.com/s/4f #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/722986388057133056)
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@kylewmahan RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm moving deckchairs around on the titanic on my site (twitter.com/_/status/722986936256716800)
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@ChristopherA RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/ (twitter.com/_/status/722988092752195584)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club @MozSF where almost everybody is smiling but we’re all happy 😂 #nofilter
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aaronpk looks like you figured it out tantek
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aaronpk the banner takes the event from /next-iwc
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on (twitter.com/_/status/723011443747000320)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you (twitter.com/_/status/723011450868899841)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: this is built on top of another thing called Secure Scuttlebutt (twitter.com/_/status/723011457131016192)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too (twitter.com/_/status/723011467398680577)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Next week: Internet Identity Workshop XXII #iiw if indieweb people want to come I'll help http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/723011470787641344)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/ (twitter.com/_/status/723011480904302592)
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@IdentityWoman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/723011484486266880)
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kylewm aaronpk: very minor thing, the header at the top of https://webmention.rocks/update/1 links to /test/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Update Test #1
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kylewm aaronpk: it's also in the permalink (u-url) at the bottom
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@patwalshe_ RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/ (twitter.com/_/status/723014260033499137)
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tantek !tell shaners are we confirmed for next Wednesday HWC in LA? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-04-27-homebrew-website-club (just making sure before I update all the things :) )
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@marymad RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the UN has a development goal that everyone should have a legal identity by 2020 http://id2020summit.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/723045656869265408)
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Loqi [indieweb] "SF Homebrew Website Club" https://kylewm.com/2016/04/apr-20-sf-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [indieweb] "SF Homebrew Website Club" https://kylewm.com/2016/05/may-04-sf-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [indieweb] "SF Homebrew Website Club" https://kylewm.com/2016/05/may-18-sf-homebrew-website-club
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@VSChawathe https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160420/ via @t (twitter.com/_/status/723048603820793857)
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@wiredferret RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: I'm showing off Patchwork which is like peer-to-peer twitter - it's only on local machines, syncs when they're on (twitter.com/_/status/723050287456378880)
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@wiredferret RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: the only persistent identifier is your public key- you can change your name; people can change their name for you (twitter.com/_/status/723050309723951106)
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@kevinmarks Aaron Parecki: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/20/6/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/723051981875499008)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks Aaron Parecki: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/20/6/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/723053439438213122)
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@Teckreview RT @kevinmarks Aaron Parecki: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/20/6/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/723053440268640256)
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks Aaron Parecki: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/20/6/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/723054213408931840)
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[kevinmarks] Hm, the retweets are showing up on the page
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dym_cx !tell myfreeweb to save all of https://git.io/vwCDh as git-submodules
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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myfreeweb dym_cx: you mean the libraries that have paths set in stack.yaml? yeah I guess that makes sense but for some reason I didn't want to do that
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Loqi myfreeweb: dym_cx left you a message 14 minutes ago: to save all of https://git.io/vwCDh as git-submodules http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-21/line/1461231277763
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dym_cx  myfreeweb: try to install sweetroll on a new VM and see how it goes (not)
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myfreeweb well I never said it was ready for other people to use
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myfreeweb if you want to try it, you should try removing the paths from stack.yaml
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dym_cx having install instructions usually means it's at least installable
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aaronpk good mornign!
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aaronpk er, morning
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prtksxna Hey aaronpk! I was trying out quill locally. Got everything to work but the editor isn't opening.
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aaronpk hello! were those your github issues?
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prtksxna I didn't raise any issues, just submitted two PRs
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prtksxna I am using a fake micropub endpoint :S, could that be a reason for the editor to not load? All other forms open up fine.
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prtksxna I just get a file listing, no PHP errors
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aaronpk oh great! thanks
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aaronpk oh hm that might be a web server configuration thing, let me check
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prtksxna Possibly, I am using MAMP and its not great for configurability. I was considering setting up nginx, but thought it wouldn't harm to ask you first :)
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aaronpk it should be fine under MAMP too. the main thing is you need to make every request that isn't a file run through index.php
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aaronpk in nginx that's try_files $uri /index.php?$args;
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prtksxna I see, all other post types are under one controller and editor has its own if I saw that correctly
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aaronpk yes, those are all loaded by the public/index.php file
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aaronpk so your web root should be the "public" folder
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prtksxna aaronpk: It is.
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aaronpk oh i have an .htaccess file in there too, that should be doing it
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aaronpk what file listing do you see?
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prtksxna checks
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aaronpk like which folder is it showing? and what URL is in your address bar when you see it?
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prtksxna aaronpk: public/editor
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prtksxna aaronpk: http://localhost:8888/editor/
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aaronpk ah, get rid of the slash at the end
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prtksxna aaronpk: MAMP adds it back in and shows the listing again
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aaronpk hm, then it sounds like it's not picking up the htaccess
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prtksxna Adding .php leads to a 404, predictably
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prtksxna aaronpk: You don't have the htaccess checked in, right?
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aaronpk tell you what, i'll rename the "editor" folder since it's probably not the best plan to have that be named the same
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aaronpk i think the .htaccess is in the repo, it's in the "public" folder
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prtksxna aaronpk: Oh, I see it. Yep, you're right MAMP must not be picking it up.
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prtksxna aaronpk: I'll try the renaming out locally and submit a PR if it works
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prtksxna Hm, leaving the broken links to the files aside, just renaming the editor directory in public to foo doesn't help
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prtksxna Leads to a 404 now
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aaronpk well you'll still need to get it to pick up the .htaccess file
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prtksxna Ah! Yes. I'll try it out with nginx during the weekend then. Thanks for your help aaronpk!
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@BrendanEich RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: Christopher Allen @christophera is organising Web of Trust 2 in NY on May 21-22 http://www.weboftrust.info/ (twitter.com/_/status/723160887155019776)
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prtksxna aaronpk: btw I have the isset code sitting in a branch
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aaronpk cool! I'm adding nginx instructions to the readme
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prtksxna aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 118 karma
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aaronpk looks like i've got a couple other Quill issues to take care of, so that sounds like a good morning task
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prtksxna aaronpk: Another PR your way :)
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aaronpk cool :)
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aaronpk hey kylewm want to talk about syndicate-to?
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kylewm aaronpk: sure!
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aaronpk woo! i wanna get that fixed up today, and launched on Quill
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aaronpk and my site
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aaronpk so the UI needs to show a friendly name as well as an icon, is that it?
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kylewm yep, that's right. Known's syndicate-to-expanded just gives me the name of the service, not an icon, so I have a little list of service <-> fontawesome icon mappings in woodwind
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aaronpk name of service? interesting
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aaronpk it occurs to me that there are also potentially two icons that are relevant here. one of the person and one of the service
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kylewm indeed
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aaronpk there must be other apps that let you syndicate to multiple profiles on multiple networks, how do they handle it?
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aaronpk handle it in the UI I mean
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aaronpk tweetdeck is only twitter, so they only show profile photos of the account you're tweeting from
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kylewm thinking like Buffer/Hootsuite maybe?
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aaronpk yeah, couldn't remember those names, thanks
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aaronpk eesh buffer wants access to your DMs, jeez
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kylewm 2/3 of the way down here https://buffer.com/
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aaronpk wow facebook login failed on buffer. i ended up on facebook.com after connecting the app
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kylewm https://buffer.com/#schedule-section
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aaronpk oh look at that, they overlay the service icon https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-08-09-19.png
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aaronpk moar icons https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-08-10-10.png
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kylewm that's slick
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aaronpk yeah i kind of like it
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aaronpk now i gotta go delete the buffer authorizations so it doesn't randomly post for me
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kylewm hehe
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kylewm assuming most people will not have control over the HTML at their syndication targets, I think that rules out using mf2
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aaronpk well kinda
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aaronpk if a service supports micropub, there's a good chance it will also support mf2
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kylewm yeah you can use an intermediary url like silopub does
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aaronpk but yeah i'm leaning towards making the q=syndicate-to response include all the data needed
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prtksxna Would the syndication target's favicon be helpful here?
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kylewm prtksxna: yeah I think that's usually a reasonable guess for the 'service icon'
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prtksxna kylewm: Yeah and one could apply certain canvas filters to make them look consistent.
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prtksxna But it still wont feel entirely cohesive.
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kylewm you mean it starts looking NASCAR-y?
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prtksxna has never seen NASCAR
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aaronpk what is NASCAR?
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Loqi The NASCAR problem is a reference to the jumble of branding icons on websites, e.g https://indiewebcamp.com/nascar
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prtksxna But I think I know what you mean and agree :)
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prtksxna aaronpk: Its like f1, but slower (?)
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kylewm hehe
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kylewm I think the Buffer screenshot aaronpk shared above actually does a nice job of mitigating that
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kylewm although I am not crazy about looking at pictures of myself
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prtksxna has a bad habit of ignoring bots
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prtksxna Sorry aaronpk
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kylewm ohh bot blindness
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petermolnar ad-blindness, bot-blindness, sounds like a nearfuture thing when you just walk on the street and ignore the robot butlers
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aaronpk Loqi is a bot worth not ignoring :)
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prtksxna botsnack
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aaronpk here's my UI in p3k for adding new syndication targets https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-08-28-02.png
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aaronpk i can add other micropub servers as a target, as well as something like indienews or bridgy publish which syndicate via webmention
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kylewm here's mine https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/Screenshot%20from%202016-04-21%2008-29-35.png
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aaronpk "POSSE Style"? interesting
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aaronpk well we definitely need a name that is different from the internal identifier of the target
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aaronpk and we need at least one icon
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kylewm and Known would very much appreciate it if they could use a custom identifier for the service
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aaronpk custom identifier?
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kylewm like "twitter::kylewmahan" is the internal identifier for that service
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aaronpk yeah, the actual syndicate-to value shouldn't be visible to the user, the site (Known, p3k, etc) should be able to make it up in whatever scheme they want
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kylewm +1
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kylewm btw, POSSE style doesn't seem to do much of anything yet; just toggles shortlinks on if you share to twitter
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aaronpk the service icon overlay thing is interesting, but i can't quite figure out how to make sense of it
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kylewm oh really? I thought it was the same as what you do for received webmentions
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aaronpk (i think i lost that with the new site, but yes)
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aaronpk i just mean from the whole end-to-end flow
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aaronpk i think silo.pub would provide the icon for the service it's connecting to
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aaronpk my site treats all silo.pub destinations the same, it doens't know that one is facebook and another is twitter
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kylewm oh like as opposed to the silo.pub icon? definitely agree
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kylewm ok I see your point, micropub posse targets could provide this info via mf2
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kylewm though we don't have a vocab for it...
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aaronpk i think the micropub endpoint should return the full info in the q=syndicate-to response, to make it easy for clients
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aaronpk but i do think it's worth having a way for a site like silo.pub to publish that info as mf2, so that the micropub server can find it there
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kylewm yep, totally
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kylewm so if we define the microformats classes first, the micropub representation should be obvious
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aaronpk yes excellent
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kylewm Do you think it's an h-x-app; or is that too much of a stretch?
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aaronpk right now, h-x-app doesn't have the concept of a user account within that app
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aaronpk it's almost just an h-card
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kylewm first attempt http://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2Fmicropub-mockup.html&parser=html5lib
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kylewm https://kylewm.com/micropub-mockup.html
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aaronpk oh wow that's a lot more complicated than i was expecting
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Aaron Parecki's tweet" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/repost-of-aaron-pareckis-tweet-4c89e94ac0
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@ChrisAldrich RT @aaronpk Just published a new @W3C Webmention working draft today, with all technical issues closed! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ #indieweb #socialweb (twitter.com/_/status/723182447840522240)
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aaronpk you can drop the micropub- prefix from the properties since it's all an h-micropub-target object
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kylewm good call
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kylewm here's a flattened version https://kylewm.com/micropub-mockup-flatter.html
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kylewm http://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=https://kylewm.com/micropub-mockup-flatter.html
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aaronpk hm, flattened looks easier to deal with as a micropub client, but makes up more setuff
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aaronpk i like that the other version uses h-card
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kylewm Yeah :/ nested things are a bit awkward in form encoding land
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aaronpk whoever said form encoding? ;-)
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kylewm Good excuse to use the jf2 stuff though
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aaronpk here's how i imagine a compact version of that looking https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44
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aaronpk (i made a few other minor changes)
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aaronpk here goes nothing
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aaronpk darn
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kylewm is the service icon intentionally "icon" instead of "photo"?
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aaronpk yeah since "icon" is already a property of h-card
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kylewm is it!?
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@nobantu RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @IdentityWoman: when I follow a friend on Patchwork I see all the people they follow too (twitter.com/_/status/723188598908968960)
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kylewm maybe you're thinking of u-logo?
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aaronpk oh yeah that
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aaronpk Testing syndicating to IRC!
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aaronpk whoa haha
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aaronpk not really sure what to do about a permalink for that
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aaronpk for now i will manually add the IRC log permalink to my post
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/21/4/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Testing syndicating to IRC!
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aaronpk now i can syndicate things to IRC via a micropub endpoint :D
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aaronpk aaanyway
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[kevinmarks] Logo for the silo, photo for the person makes sense, though that will be odd for a FB page
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[kevinmarks] As there the photo is a logo often
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aaronpk pages have profile photos too i thought
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aaronpk it might be logo-like, but it's still profile photo sized
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[kevinmarks] the pattern still works for silos, for h-card the photo/logo distinction is maybe trickier
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kylewm yeah I think the distinction between logo/photo is probably unnecessary
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kylewm I think you'd only want to use logo if photo was already used for something else
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aaronpk what i'm thinking with this JSON https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44 is that a client might only look at the top-level "name" property to show on a button, but then might later decide to enhance the buttons with the name of the service or user account
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aaronpk so the top-level "name" should be something that is sufficiently descriptive of that destination
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kylewm totally
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aaronpk the "uid" is the value the client actually sends to the endpoint
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[kevinmarks] That mapping works, and is clearer than a single h-card with both logo and photo
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aaronpk we can simplify it further by dropping the "type" thing since it's not actually microformats json anyway https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44
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[kevinmarks] The other way would be h-card with embedded p-org h-card
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[kevinmarks] But that isn't quite right
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aaronpk that sounds like an overloading of "org"
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[kevinmarks] Yes
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[kevinmarks] Poco had an accounts structure iirc
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[kevinmarks] http://portablecontacts.net/draft-spec.html#account_element
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kylewm found a mf2py bug!
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kylewm but this lgtm in php-mf2 http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2Fmicropub-mockup.html
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kylewm well other than the alt="" not working for the name... hmm
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[kevinmarks] But that didn't make it into vcard
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aaronpk so silo.pub can publish that HTML, and then when p3k goes to connect the new micropub target, it will get the data from there
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aaronpk then p3k will return https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/0c8278fbf23e123d6cd2fa2d0f805e44 in the q=syndicate-to response
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aaronpk sound right?
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kylewm yup
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[kevinmarks] Is service what it's currently called?
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[kevinmarks] It's not quite "target" I suppose
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aaronpk oh for the html, i think "micropub-target" isn't quite the right term
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aaronpk maybe "syndication-destination"? or even just "syndicate-to"?
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kylewm syndication-destination sounds like a tagline for TBS
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aaronpk h-silo?
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aaronpk :P
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aaronpk i'm finding that i want to customize a few details when I syndicate
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kylewm Per post or per destination?
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aaronpk both
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aaronpk syndicating to twitter, I sometimes tweak the text slightly
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aaronpk i'm not quire sure how I want to handle it in the UI. I like having the quick syndicate button where everything works automatically pretty well, so I think I'm going to add a more complicated syndication UI in my site, the way I built a custom editing UI
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aaronpk that's later. in the mean time, i'm going to update the micropub draft and my site and quill
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aaronpk "user" needs to be optional, since some syndication destinations don't have user accounts
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KevinMarks twitter notifications page keeps going Aw Snap! for me in chrome
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rMdes_ .
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Loqi rMdes_: kylewm left you a message on 4/17 at 4:09pm: here's the error I get sending you a webmention: https://gist.github.com/kylewm/49e926047072fd106a13c136e01276ca http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-17/line/1460934578055
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aaronpk kylewm: http://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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kylewm This looks great aaronpk!
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk my endpoint returns that response now, just the uid+name for now, since I don't have a way to configure the rest yet
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aaronpk oh kylewm another fun thing for you. I was running this idea by emmak last night and would like some more input from people who have done stuff with photos in micropub
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gRegorLove kylewm: Your duplicate posts and 410s revealed a bug in my webmention code Fixed now, thanks!
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kylewm :)
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kylewm always nice when something positive comes out of my ineptitude :P
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aaronpk flexbox is so confusing
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aaronpk how do I make a layout that shows either 4 columns or 2 columns, but not 3
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kylewm aaronpk: kinda left me hanging with that fun idea tease
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi is done
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KartikPrabhu bye Loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk oops yeah i got distracted
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aaronpk i wanted to launch my new micropub code but then i realized i had unfinished changes for my home page and it wasn't in a branch so now i have to finish my new home page design
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KevinMarks nest 2 flexboxes?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: I think flex-grow: 2, flex-shrink: 1
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KevinMarks or use a media query
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aaronpk i want the four boxes below to have a minimum width, and when the page shrinks below 4*minwidth then they turn into a 2x2 grid https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-11-47-56.png
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Loqi gives aaronpk the four boxes below to have a minimum width
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KevinMarks sounds like a media query then
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: combine flex box + media query with min-width
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aaronpk oh and i need another breakpoint to make them into a 1x4 stacked when the page is really small
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: that last part can be achieved with flex-box and mid width alone. then as viewport grows change min-width with media-query
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KartikPrabhu using % min-width should work
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KevinMarks you could do it with <div flex><div flex>1,2</div><div flex>3,4</div></div>
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aaronpk hah what. I think i'm gonna need to do KevinMarks' suggestion. it seems to want to wrap as 1\n2,3\n4 otherwise
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kylewm aaronpk: do you think I should continue to support a flat JSON list of UIDs too? or throw out that case and only support maps with at least uid and name?
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kylewm in woodwind I mean
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aaronpk you could support just flat UIDs as a fallback if you want, but I wouldn't recommend anyone publish that going forward
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aaronpk oh hey i think my css framework has support for this built in
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KevinMarks lol, by mentioning Alexa on gillmor gang Keith's Alexa ordered salsa for hom
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aaronpk argh this isn't working
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[kevinmarks] what's your framework?
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[kevinmarks] bootstrap et al have magic ways to do the 4/2/1 stuff based on their predefined sizes
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aaronpk http://semantic-ui.com/
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aaronpk the problem i'm having with that is that I made my content column an arbitrary max-width that the framework doesn't know about, and the framework is doing responsive grids based on viewport width
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aaronpk i think i just need to figure it out manually
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KevinMarks getting into fights with a framework is not fun
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GWG Afternoon
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aaronpk okay here's what i'm working with http://codepen.io/aaronpk/pen/VaBapP
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aaronpk i almost have it working, but it's doing "1|2|3 \n 4" for a bit of the time
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aaronpk ooh i think i tricked it
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KevinMarks right, you either need an extar layer
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KevinMarks or a media query like this: https://css-tricks.com/filling-space-last-row-flexbox/
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Loqi Chris Albrecht posted a question on StackOverflow about grids. Essentially: imagine you have an element with an unknown number of children. ...
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aaronpk totally works now \o/
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aaronpk now let's see if i can translate that back into my site
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snarfed hey kylewm, bear, you use https://requires.io/, right? does anyone else? interested in a baseline "it's good" or "it's no good" before i sign up.
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kylewm aaronpk: will you try you syndication stuff with woodwind again and see if it gives you the right strings?
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KevinMarks that one suggests using % on the minwidth
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aaronpk kylewm: i haven't launched it on my site yet but sure
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kylewm oh no worries then
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aaronpk gotta finish this home page stuff
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kylewm woodwind is consuming the name and uid, not the other stuff yet
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kylewm snarfed: requires.io is weird... for some reason I never get notified of its pull requests
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aaronpk wow it's acting totally different on my site
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kylewm and upgrading packages tends to break things, I mean which is good because you have a lot of tests
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snarfed kylewm: thanks, ok. you like it otherwise though?
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snarfed kylewm: from their PR settings dialog: "Your credentials are used to submit pull requests, so you may not receive GitHub notifications. Input a comma separated list of emails and we'll notify you directly."
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GWG I am trying to decide how I will end my current project
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kylewm snarfed: heh, I remember that but I apparently entered my email address incorrectly
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kylewm also I should probably forward kylewm to kyle
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kylewm snarfed: ok how about this one, it's all screwed up https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/pull/45
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kylewm but yeah I think I like it overall, it's worth a shot
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snarfed kylewm: screwed up in that...the new versions it proposed are bad?
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snarfed or it hasn't resolved conflicts? or...?
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kylewm yeah like there are so many commits and it has conflicts
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snarfed yeah
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snarfed k, signed up. its one main complaint with my projects is that requests 2.6.0 is old and insecure. whee!
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kylewm which is especially funny because I think bridgy requires 2.1.0
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GWG snarfed, https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks/issues/27
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GWG Did you ever try my solution to this?
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snarfed heh yes. it sounds like there's finally a path to modern requests/urllib3 without scary monkey patches though. http://stackoverflow.com/a/35944044/186123
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snarfed just waiting for requests v2.10.0
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snarfed GWG: what's your solution?
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snarfed don't think i ever saw it...
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/semantic-notification
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GWG I put together a plugin to fix it for me.
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GWG But I am working on some changes to Semantic Linkbacks that would help
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GWG I just noticed acegiak's version of Semantic Linkbacks has issues separate from pfefferle's version and noticed that
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snarfed GWG: cool!
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snarfed (plugin proliferation, ugh)
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snarfed yeah i think they've mostly unified the code. mostly. maybe unifying the issues (ie disabling issues on one and moving all open issues to the other) is the next step!
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aaronpk yaaaayyyyy it works
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GWG snarfed, I don't intend to keep Semantic Notifications as a recommendation. It is more a stopgap.
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bear snarfed - I really like requires.io - the many projects I have (or help with) all are helped by knowing when change is happening
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snarfed thanks bear! agreed
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kylewm the coolest thing is when it notifies me that my own libraries have updated :)
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kylewm why yes I would like to pull in the latest version of mf2util and mf2py, thank you!
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snarfed :)
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kylewm aaronpk: I'm going with h-x-syndication-target for now
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GWG snarfed, I am wondering if I should consider unifying what was previously ripped apart. Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions plugin
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snarfed GWG: yup i saw. good question!
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kylewm GWG: can you keep the code modular (so one half doesn't depend on the other) while merging them back into one plugin?
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aaronpk sqeeeee! it works!
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GWG kylewm, yes. I am splitting it up
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kylewm GWG: I've done that a bunch of times, split some code that was too entangled into separate projects, and then merged them back together once they were disentangled
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kylewm in general, I am in favor of that strategy :)
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aaronpk here goes nothing! launching new home page design
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aaronpk i should take before/after screenshots
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Loqi yea
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KevinMarks I get a 3,1 layout
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aaronpk yeah, not working quite right yet
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aaronpk the long event name is making that column overflow
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aaronpk aha i can set a max-width on the content inside the flexing container
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KevinMarks the implied width of text is hard
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aaronpk that's a little better
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aaronpk now i have sparklines too
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KevinMarks seems like big margins on my (slightly unusual) display
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aaronpk what size?
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KevinMarks I have a TV in portrait size so ~1080
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aaronpk my main column is intentionally a max width
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KevinMarks ah, OK
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gRegorLove aaronpk++ looks nice!
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Loqi aaronpk has 119 karma
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gRegorLove align-self: center; on the photo div will vertically center
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[bjoern] uuh sparkly :simple_smile:
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[bjoern] really nice
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kylewm haha, looks even better after a hard refresh
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aaronpk one more minor tweak. i realized even a phone is wide enough to keep the grid at 2x2
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KevinMarks depends on the phone
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KevinMarks 2x2 on a nexus 6 is OK
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[bjoern] the /gps link doesn't work, is this intentional?
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aaronpk oh oops wow. that page must not have survived the switch
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aaronpk ohh it was a redirect, and the redirect didn't make it
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aaronpk fixed
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Loqi [indieweb] "How aaronparecki.com looks on nexus 6 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/how-aaronpareckicom-looks-on-nexus-6-indieweb
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aaronpk hey not bad
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KevinMarks right, the 4x screen means you can get away with more density
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snarfed looks good for me after shift refresh!
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snarfed minor nit, the colourlovers icon at the bottom is broken
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aaronpk oh yeah i didn't add that favicon yet
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KevinMarks I can see the sparkline unevenness on this screen, now I know to look for it
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KevinMarks click through for full res
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gRegorLove Looks good on Nexus 5 as well.
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aaronpk that is some weird line width going on
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KevinMarks it's both sparkline plotting things do ti at arbitrary width/height
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KevinMarks mine at whatever height it is, Stuart's at 100x100 or somehting
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aaronpk fixed footer icons, thx
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kylewm so Articles is thicker because there are fewer, so the line width is much >> compared to the overall canvas size?
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aaronpk yeah the height of the articles one is like 8px, but the height of the others is around 30
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KevinMarks right, and if one of them went to 10000 it would look really odd
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aaronpk hmm, that seems like maybe a good reason to stick with the %-based method that adactio was using
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KevinMarks well, that does it too, as it is making it square
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KevinMarks ideally you'd scale the x co-ords to give a square brush
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KevinMarks or do an actual histogram
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aaronpk but it wouldn't have the different thickness problem since they'd all have the same x/y axes
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KevinMarks except you thing squish it 8x in one direction as yours is 80 by 10
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KevinMarks s/thing/then/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: except you then squish it 8x in one direction as yours is 80 by 10
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aaronpk yeah it'll have the italic brush, but at least all the sparklines would look the same
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KevinMarks I made a histogram verison: http://www.kevinmarks.com/minimalspark.html
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KevinMarks black may be too intense though
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KevinMarks try wiht your query strings, you have more points than me
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk if I do that, then I definitely want my "rides" to indicate miles instead of number of trips
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aaronpk here's a quick comparison on my test data https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-15-10-40.png
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gRegorLove What sparked (ha) all this sparkline stuff recently?
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aaronpk adactio added sparklines to his site at IWC Nürnberg, but I don't remember how that came up in the first place
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aaronpk speaking of which, he totally redid his
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aaronpk now they are inline
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aaronpk and it looks like he's using values instead of percentages, but is not doing the scaling trick so his line widths are all uniform
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aaronpk enlarged view: https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-15-30-17.png
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gRegorLove I've seen some on Mashable, for how much an item is being shared.
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gRegorLove They call it velocity graph. Top right under headlines. http://mashable.com/2016/04/21/prince-dies-obituary
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[kevinmarks] Hm, it emphasises the gaps more somehow
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[kevinmarks] The zigzags give an emphasis on change that is a bit misleading - it's like the diagonal problem with stacked trends
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aaronpk here's a version using the same method as adactio https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-15-39-19.png
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tantek reads today's logs.
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aaronpk enlarged https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-15-40-34.png
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tantek not sure of the micropub / microformats conversation but figuring y'all have it figured out.
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aaronpk part of that ended up here http://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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tantek aaronpk: did you try a light grey 0-baseline? not sure if it would help or clutter more
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tantek like the Twitter graphs
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aaronpk i think that only makes sense when values can drop below 0
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[kevinmarks] Yes, on the histograms it is not needed
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tantek they're not histograms
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[kevinmarks] The histograms having no bars for 0 make them clearer
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[kevinmarks] Scroll up a bit, I made both
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tantek aaronpk: the reason I suggested it is that your bike rides look like very little activity is happening when in reality you're actually riding about the same amount each day
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tantek so the information is lost
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tantek the information that there's a steady level of riding going on. the eye sees a straightish horizontal line and thinks non-activity
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tantek a baseline would show that key piece of information
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aaronpk i'm also considering changing the rides to show distance on the y axis instead of number of rides
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KevinMarks tantek, see https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-04-21-15-10-40.png
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aaronpk the barchart version provides that baseline inherently
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tantek kevinmarks that's confusing as heck
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tantek and the barchart version looks ugly
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KevinMarks the histograms show actual activity more clearly, the lines show change
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KevinMarks depends on what you are emphasisising
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KevinMarks the point is it is actually a histogram, and bin size is a factor
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tantek KevinMarks you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means
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aaronpk what is a histogram?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "histogram" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JU
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aaronpk it would be a histogram if it showed distance biked by day of the week
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histogram
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aaronpk but since the x axis is continuous, it's just a bar chart
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KevinMarks To construct a histogram, the first step is to "bin" the range of values—that is, divide the entire range of values into a series of intervals—and then count how many values fall into each interval.
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tantek y-axis must be frequency, x-axis must be an amount, not time
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KevinMarks what are your bins, aaron?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your bins, aaron" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JV
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tantek like a probability distribution
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aaronpk weeks
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tantek it's not a time-chart - which is what is being shown
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aaronpk but it's still a continuous time axis
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tantek see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histogram for more
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KevinMarks OK. My basic point remains
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tantek it's a barchart
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KevinMarks it is a binned time series
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tantek if you wanted to do a histogram you could show how many posts per hour 1 of the day vs. hour 2 vs hour 24
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tantek and sum that up over all posts
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aaronpk yes the bar chart version does a better job of indicating the actual volume per interval
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tantek that would be a histogram
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tantek but those example pngs were not histograms
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aaronpk whereas the sparkline shows change per interval
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KevinMarks so showing it as a bar chart is more accurate than a wiggly line
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aaronpk s/shows/emphasizes
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: whereas the sparkline emphasizes change per interval
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KevinMarks barchart emphasises the integral, line chart the differential
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bear FYI - anyone using AWS us-east-1 - it just had a major network glitch and everyone is recovering
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snarfed bear++ we definitely noticed
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Loqi bear has 122 karma
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snarfed fortunately brief
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bear the specific outage was brief, yea - but our response to it has been long because of how widespread it was
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tantek what is an outage?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "outage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JW
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tantek any photos from PDX or DC last night?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club SF: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-04-20.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-last-nights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-04-20html-indieweb
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bear An outage is an interruption to a service or server
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tantek aw too slow let me try again
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tantek what is an outage
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "outage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10JX
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bear An outage is an interruption to a service or server
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@jasonkarns @adactio it seems to be picking up steam and i though it’d be great to get more indieweb exposure (twitter.com/_/status/723295264069550082)
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loqi.me created /outage (+75) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-21/line/1461281991246 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCq8XDgrP0
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KartikPrabhu an outage! ? ;)
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tantek ^^^ ok that tweet is going to be cited in a future April fools joke
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tantek or at least the project it points to
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KartikPrabhu what the what! is that project?
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KartikPrabhu people are just going to copy-pasta all that meta crap
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tantek lololol
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tantek aaronpk: consider submitting a pull request to add a <link rel="webmention" ...> to https://github.com/joshbuchea/HEAD#link-element
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@kevinmarks Notes from last night's Homebrew Website Club SF: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-04-20.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/723294227392663552)
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@tbiz Much web was had at last night's #indiewebcamp #indieweb #homebrew @t @kevinmarks https://twitter.com/tbiz/status/723296749910020100/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/723296749910020100)
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aaronpk what in the world is that
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tantek it was the first photo we took before realizing that Katie had quietly snuck off to the restroom
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aaronpk i mean the HEAD thing
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tantek oh lol
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tantek I don't know but "it seems to be picking up steam"
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tantek has never had any luck picking up steam, it just seems to evaporate.
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gRegorLove New Loqi prompt? What in the world is ____
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gRegorLove 799 stars?!