#indiewebcamp 2016-05-09

2016-05-09 UTC
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@m_ott #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf was really amazing! Thanks to everyone involved, especially @aaronpk, @adactio, @t, and @marcthiele. (twitter.com/_/status/729466882949042176)
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb merged pull request miklb/jekyll-indieweb#6" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/pull/6
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb commented on pull request miklb/jekyll-indieweb#6" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/pull/6#issuecomment-217755383
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb pushed to master at miklb/jekyll-indieweb" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/compare/9d9e68e91d...c3d94250aa
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb commented on pull request miklb/jekyll-indieweb#7" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/pull/7#issuecomment-217755320
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb merged pull request miklb/jekyll-indieweb#7" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/pull/7
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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb pushed to master at miklb/jekyll-indieweb" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/compare/c3d94250aa...40913e2907
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miklb good evening to you too Loqi
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GWG Good evening, miklb
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miklb hows the WP work coming GWG
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miklb reading logs to see how IWC was today
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GWG miklb: I need to figure what's next
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GWG I see you've been busy.
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miklb GWG not really, a couple of pull requests from folks who have been trying out the Jekyll theme from exposure in the community. I'm bouncing from working on that & getting micropub working with my site. While balancing $work :-)
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GWG I can't do any more Micropub work.
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miklb with voxpelli's help, I've got an end point set up, just need to work on handling them in the markup/liquid syntax in Jekyll
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miklb There was an online JekyllConf yesterday, saw a cool demo of someone using Jekyll with Mapbox and geoJason. Really want to explore that for self-check ins.
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GWG Updating was under development and kept changing.
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@webgefrickel RT @m_ott #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf was really amazing! Thanks to everyone involved, especially @aaronpk, @adactio, @t, and @marcthiele. (twitter.com/_/status/729472486367211524)
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GWG And I haven't mastered the art of writing unit tests, which are required for Micropub
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[kevinmarks] Indieweb ish argument for podcasts https://www.macstories.net/stories/a-podcasting-divergence/
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Loqi A Podcasting Divergence
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+1) "/* Organizers */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/Guest_List (+307) "/* RSVPs */" (view diff)
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@sriperinkulam Peanuts and Cracker Jack : Planet Money http://srikanthperinkulam.com/indieweb/peanuts-cracker-jack-planet-money https://twitter.com/sriperinkulam/status/729485451673772032/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/729485451673772032)
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@ssp2158 Peanuts and Cracker Jack : Planet Money http://srikanthperinkulam.com/indieweb/peanuts-cracker-jack-planet-money https://twitter.com/ssp2158/status/729485444606398464/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/729485444606398464)
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bear.im edited /kaku (+228) "add latest updates" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /projects (+231) "add kaku" (view diff)
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GWG I'm always...disappointed post IWC. I feel like...there is a lull.
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snarfed !tell tantek welcome back! sounds like a great IWC and /deleted progress! just fyi, your "This content should not show up." post showed up in my reader. your new code may not be in your atom feed yet? just a heads up before you publish anything actually private.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG Hi, snarfed
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snarfed hi GWG!
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GWG snarfed: It showed up in mine too.
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snarfed yup
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GWG snarfed: Still working on my new version of the Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks plugin.
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snarfed good!
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GWG And do you know what I think I need?
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snarfed lol i have a guess
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GWG snarfed: I'm curious what the guess is.
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snarfed starts with a u
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snarfed ...
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snarfed ends with nit tests
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snarfed either that or feedabck
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GWG Darned if I know how to test mf2 parsing. I'd need samples.
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snarfed there are tons!
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GWG But I think I may need to use it myself as a test.
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GWG I'm just trying to decide what I should do next.
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snarfed i think at least a couple repos just for mf2 tests alone. search the iwc and mf wikis
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snarfed ah got it
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GWG I actually refactored both plugins to make it easy to merge them if I ever wanted to.
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snarfed nice!
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GWG Basically, the main file does nothing but load the other files now.
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snarfed !tell tantek i know you enjoy pushing reader compat edges, but if you ever want to ditch the sidefile maintenance, you're welcome to use https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG snarfed: Either way, trying to figure out what features to prioritize, or if I should return to one of the other projects.
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snarfed GWG: understood!
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GWG I can't work on deletion, because WordPress really doesn't have a concept of it. But I wrote the code to support deleting from outside sources if I ever figure it out.
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GWG I'm not sure how to make updating better, but I did separate it from new so that I could at some point.
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GWG I'm not sure how to get Salmentions working properly, but I did add code to parse comments on the source of a webmention as children of the original webmention.
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GWG Not sure if I'll regret that.
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gRegorLove Yo, Loqi
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Loqi gRegorLove: voxpelli left you a message 19 hours ago: You can absolutely include one of my posts in the tests! Eg. http://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/ would fit well (it's an indieweb post) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462698448327
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bear micropub create and delete via endpoints
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Loqi woot!
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bear oh - and undelete
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miklb !tell voxpelli is there documentation I should read regarding the indie auth token in your Editorial workflow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear.im edited /kaku (+56) "updated micropub handling" (view diff)
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GWG I don't quite understand undelete.
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bear I use it to remove the delete metadata from a post
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gRegorLove undeleted is when you yell "undeleted! undeleted!" at your computer while wearing boxing gloves
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GWG I'm missing that joke
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bear honestly I don't know if I'm ever going to *use* undelete - but it was handy to have when I was testing delete
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GWG bear: You got me there.
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bear it shook out a bunch of metadata assumptions my generation code had
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gRegorLove Homestar Runner, Strong Bad email: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail35.html
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gRegorLove PR adding language parsing to php-mf2: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/97
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@scott_gruber I'm attending IndieWeb Summit, 3rd-5th June 2016 in Portland http://lanyrd.com/2016/indieweb-summit/ (twitter.com/_/status/729532781873651712)
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bear hmm, reading the micropub spec and I just don't get why "updated" is a property listed for h=entry create. "published" I could see if the date is in the future, but "updated" should, IMO, never be set - it's a marker of activity
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bear just realized i've done all this work to enable easier post creation... but I haven't written anything other than test posts in weeks -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2016/130/kaku-mvp-is-complete-i-hope.html
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Loqi [Mike Taylor] Kaku MVP is complete (I hope!)
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@webrocker good times we had, good times ahead… @btconf @indiewebcamp #btconf https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/729554486113538048/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/729554486113538048)
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[kevinmarks] Doesn't WordPress have unpublish?
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aaronpk Huh I don't know why it says updated is a property that can be used when creating a post either
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GWG WordPress doesn't have unpublish so much as return to draft mode.
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[kevinmarks] Probably inheritance from atom
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[kevinmarks] Right, so map that
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aaronpk probably I copied all the properties listed on h-entry
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[kevinmarks] Which likely got it from file system create and modified dates, which are both set on create
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bear aaronpk - if your in that doc then also remove the extra "like-of" in section 4.1
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tantek bear++ nice work on micropub endpoint progress!
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 2 hours, 42 minutes ago: welcome back! sounds like a great IWC and /deleted progress! just fyi, your "This content should not show up." post showed up in my reader. your new code may not be in your atom feed yet? just a heads up before you publish anything actually private. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462765983040
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 2 hours, 37 minutes ago: i know you enjoy pushing reader compat edges, but if you ever want to ditch the sidefile maintenance, you're welcome to use https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462766293094
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Loqi bear has 132 karma
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tantek !tell snarfed easy to write code to hide deleted items from my Atom feed, yeta
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell snarfed ... yet what I want to do is generate tombstones in the Atom feed that a feed reader will use to delete/remove its cache(s) of the posts that were deleted. do you know how to do that?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk argh, Dropshare support also rejected my idea of adding an option to upload via http requests
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tantek !tell snarfed just double-checked my Atom feed http://tantek.com/updates.atom and I'm not seeing any deleted posts at all! (which is plenty fine for initial fallback support)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what is dropshare?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dropshare" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10L7
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tantek cool, just the fixed the bug I ran into during demos yesterday. At least I can now post/POSSE new posts after a deleted post.
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tantek Now once more into working on detecing newly updated/deleted(/undeleted?) posts to then prompt "Update" / "Confirm Delete" / "Undelete" in my posting UI!
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@ruxton @t your tweets are linked in many examples on indieweb but now your tweets are protected no one can see them :( (twitter.com/_/status/729577201327181824)
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tantek too bad I can't selectively make some tweets public
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tantek and odd - just confirmed @ruxton follows me so he should be able to see them all
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petermolnar morning
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petermolnar had anyone done summaries for the weekend yet?
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ZegnatWork !tell tantek several feed readers and services do support post updates, just make sure the unique identifier (atom:id, I guess) stays the same.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ZegnatWork !tell tantek Dr Drang wrote about RSS services and their support for updates, called is a mess, so don't assume anything: http://leancrew.com/all-this/2014/11/more-rss-mess/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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cweiske !tell aaronpk your homepage's "load more" button breaks with browser history. I click on the date of a post to read the comments, and then use the browser button to go back. now the browser scroll position is not anymore at the article I clicked
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk i use push state to update the URL to the page that was loaded
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cweiske that's because the top articles (before the "load more" bar) are not there anymore when going back
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aaronpk Maybe I need to update the URL when you scroll back up?
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cweiske I don't think it's fixable
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-09%20aaronpk1.png
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-09%20aaronpk2.png
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-09%20aaronpk3.png
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-09%20aaronpk4.png
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cweiske browser keeps scroll position, but reloads the URL when going back
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cweiske the reloaded URL content does not contain all the content it had before, so scroll position does not match anymore
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aaronpk Interesting
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aaronpk I wonder if I could update the scroll position then
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cweiske .. or revert to "normal" non-ajax based paging
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aaronpk noooo I like my not automatic infinite scroll
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@wprincipiante La semana pasada, ¿te perdiste la entrada de #trackbacks, #pingbacks y #webmentions en #WordPress? http://wprincipiante.es/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/729601039410802688)
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@DirtyF @dascritch @pablopernot ils existent et pas qu'avec Disqus. Rien n'empêche de publier un article en réponse sur ton blog avec webmention. (twitter.com/_/status/729611349882474497)
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aaronpk so I managed to find the actual flickr open source library for doing justified layout http://code.flickr.net/2016/04/05/our-justified-layout-goes-open-source/
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aaronpk after I got a quick prototype of my own algorithm working
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aaronpk it's close https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-05-09-13-13-35.png
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aaronpk in the flickr source, they have 40 lines dedicated to removing the rounding errors that you see in mine https://github.com/flickr/justified-layout/blob/gh-pages/dist/justified-layout.js#L245-L284
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@Petersell RT @aaronpk Just launched @indiewebcamp t-shirts! Order now to arrive before Summit 2016! https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/729643217080221697)
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Loqi [indieweb] "openSUSE Conference Proposals Accepted, Tracks Listed" by Douglas DeMaio https://news.opensuse.org/2016/05/09/opensuse-conference-proposals-accepted-tracks-listed/
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Loqi [indieweb] "openSUSE Conference Proposals Accepted, Tracks Listed" by Douglas DeMaio https://news.opensuse.org/2016/05/09/opensuse-conference-proposals-accepted-tracks-listed/
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Dusseldorf/homepage (+279) "some additional notes from memory" (view diff)
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aaronpk sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 7 karma
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aaronpk there we go
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aaronpk man i'm so close to having this layout working
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aaronpk but this floating point glitch is killing me
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@wprincipiante Trackbacks, pingbacks y webmentions http://wprincipiante.es/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/729667516381974529)
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GWG Morning all
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aaronpk Afternoon!
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GWG Yes, I know you are east of me instead of your normal west of me
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GWG Can anyone think of a scenario with a webmention where source = target?
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snarfed self mention, ie a post links to itself
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 2 minutes ago: easy to write code to hide deleted items from my Atom feed, yeta http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462775799057
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours ago: ... yet what I want to do is generate tombstones in the Atom feed that a feed reader will use to delete/remove its cache(s) of the posts that were deleted. do you know how to do that? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462775877840
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: just double-checked my Atom feed http://tantek.com/updates.atom and I'm not seeing any deleted posts at all! (which is plenty fine for initial fallback support) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-09/line/1462777608597
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aaronpk Most posts link to themselves
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aaronpk i don't think that would be a useful webmention request
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GWG But is there utility for sending such a mention or receiving these it?
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aaronpk Probably worth adding a note about ignoring such requests in the spec
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GWG The webmention plugin has an option for it.
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snarfed !tell tantek looks like the deleted-entry element? i'm just parrotting google :P https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-04.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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cjk101010 my website ignores mentions with source = target and my webmentions module explicitely checks if canonical source = canonical target and doesn’t send them if this is the case
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GWG I know mentioning other URLs on the same site has utility.
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aaronpk Yes replying to your own posts is fine
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aaronpk k if two implementations already are ignoring the request when source = target I'll add it explicitly to the spec
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GWG WordPress expressly does it for pingbacks
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aaronpk Even better
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@sl007 @glennjones #indiewebcamp - once alpha-API is defined I'll push here: https://github.com/redaktor – The video I meant: https://plus.google.com/+SebastianLasse/posts/CV64ixyF8oJ (twitter.com/_/status/729684362602655744)
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GWG I submitted several tickets with patches recently for the pingback code. I've read it many times
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GWG There was a comment that a request limit of 1mb is much too high though.
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GWG The HTML by itself never seems to go over 100K
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sknebel ronkyuu (bears indieweb-utility-library that I also use) also ignores self-mentions, both for sending an receiving
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aaronpk GWG: interesting, someone wanted to use a lower limit? is there already a limit in the pingback code?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Dusseldorf/travel (+339) "cleanup/add details" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-30) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */ remove link for session without protocol" (view diff)
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petermolnar "The HTML by itself never seems to go over 100K" how was it, 64K...?
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GWG aaronpk, it's set to 150k
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jonnybarnes when creating an access token for micropub, is it standard to have a property called `scope` or `scopes`?
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jonnybarnes I’ve got myself confused
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aaronpk internally it doesn't really matter what you call it
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petermolnar GWG how is the webmention plugin refactor going?
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GWG petermolnar: I keep having additional ideas.
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GWG But have a look so far... https://github.com/dshanske/wordpress-webmention/tree/spec
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petermolnar careful, too many ideas will lead you to emacs
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miklb scope creep
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loqi.me created /EXIF (+17) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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GWG I haven't added too many features.
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GWG I just keep thinking of a better way to do what I did.
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petermolnar ah, that is ok
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GWG petermolnar: If you have time for feedback, no one other than me, I believe, has played with this branch
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jonnybarnes yeah, that makes sense
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jonnybarnes its not like a client will be able to see the properties
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www.svenknebel.de created /Exif (+424) "created" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de created /XMP (+162) "stub created" (view diff)
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GWG petermolnar: The plugin is still synchronous though
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kylewm is there any way to see what the deleted posts on tantek's site look(ed) like in the h-feed?
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kylewm wait! that's what those gaps are, ok nevermind
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sknebel aaronpk: friendly reminder that the IRC logs still miss CSS on the individual-line-links (e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-07/line/1462626687872) (since you were quite busy the past few days I wanted to make sure it ended up on a todo list somewhere ;))
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www.svenknebel.de created /2016/Dusseldorf/i18n (+204) "created, IRC links" (view diff)
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kylewm !tell tantek your dt-deleted values do not have a timezone!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Dusseldorf/bookmarking (+51) "add links" (view diff)
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aaronpk sknebel: thanks, fixed!
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-31) "/* Saturday May 7, 2016 */ remove link from "intro to webmention" session, no relevant notes" (view diff)
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sknebel is there a writeup of/notes for the performance session somewhere?
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sknebel Etherpad is blank, didn't find anything on IRC
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sknebel (only session that is completely missing info, outside of the intro-sessions that didn't have anything new
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snarfed GWG aaronpk petermolnar: re HTML size, as a data point, looks like average is ~66kb these days
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snarfed http://httparchive.org/interesting.php#bytesperpage , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/util.py#L71-75
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snarfed (tons of caveats and disclaimers, but fwiw)
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[shaners] aaronpk: re vid vs irc notes. I love the videos when I have high bandwidth and can watch real time. When I don’t or can’t, I prefer the lofi notes to keep a pulse on what’s happening.
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@nebu Dear @t thanks for an inspiring, invigorating weekend! And for all the hard work you put into the #indiewebcamp movement. (twitter.com/_/status/729727682808823808)
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[shaners] For any Rails folks: Rails 5 adds first class web socket support (with Action Cable)
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[shaners] https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2016/5/9/real_time_rails_implementing_websockets_in_rails_5_with_action_cable
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aaronpk now javascript is just playing tricks on me
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aaronpk omg i think it works
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aaronpk all except the last row
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gRegorLove What are you working on aaronpk?
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Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/you_working_on,_aaronpk
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voxpelli miklb: the indie auth token in my Editorial endpoint has to be generated outside of it and copied into it right now :/
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Loqi voxpelli: miklb left you a message 14 hours, 25 minutes ago: is there documentation I should read regarding the indie auth token in your Editorial workflow? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-08/line/1462766980117
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gRegorLove Heh, Loqi surfacing outdatd bios :)
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Loqi is done
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gRegorLove s/outdatd/outdated/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Heh, Loqi surfacing outdated bios :)
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veganstraightedge.com created /2016/la (+21) "Redirected page to [[2016/LA]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk darn, missed that one
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aaronpk guess i could add a rel=me link to my wiki user page
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aaronpk from my home page, along with the rest of the rel=me links
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aaronpk (that's how i found all the places i needed to update my bio)
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (-84) "update bio" (view diff)
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hongpong alright i now have pull requests posted on barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner and indieweb/mention-client-php to improve the documentation (and debug strings in latter) cc aaronpk
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aaronpk hongpong++ thanks for that!
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Loqi hongpong has 1 karma
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@ipubme Testing Webmentions http://independentpublisher.me/2016/testing-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/729744763486806016)
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hongpong you're welcome :) aaronpk i am trying to revive drupal.org/project/microformats in hopes someone at drupalcon might notice.. no fancy integrations done yet but the libraries load - and I want them to have nicer PHPdocs .. very much hoping drupal world picks it all up
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Zegnat is finally home. Now lets do some work
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aaronpk only thing i'm not sure about right now is whether that really thin row looks good https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-05-09-20-52-36.png
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aaronpk i think there's no way to avoid if it my rule is that each row is no taller than N
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Zegnat aaronpk would it look better if a row with such a wide picture could default to being 1 picture only? Or did you hard code the 3 pictures per line?
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aaronpk if that wide picture was on its own row, then the two before it would be in their own row and the row would be extra tall
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aaronpk the rule right now is that each row has to be shorter than 220px. it adds images to the row until it can shrink the width of the row to be less than that.
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Zegnat ah, interesting
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aaronpk s/to be less/so that the resulting height is less
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: the rule right now is that each row has to be shorter than 220px. it adds images to the row until it can shrink the width of the row so that the resulting height is less than that.
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aaronpk and i make an exception for the last row, where it can be as tall as it wants in order to not have empty space at the end
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Zegnat last row exception makes sense
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[shaners] We have 6 days to sell 23 more shirts. If you haven’t ordered one and want one, please order soon.
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[shaners] https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk last row exception doesn't look good when there is only one image and it's taller than it is wide, so i'm adding another exception for that :P
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aaronpk layout is hard
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[shaners] I think last row being < 220px and rag right is still ok
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aaronpk yeah but if it's almost full then it's better to break the 220px rule and fill the space
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Zegnat So maybe check how close it is to being full at 220px? I.e. scale up when it already covers 90%?
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Zegnat [shaners] I will be ordering a shirt soon
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Zegnat Is there a big difference between the AA and Teespring shirt?
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aaronpk AA shirt is softer/better fabric, but the Teespring goes larger sizes
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Zegnat Cool thanks!
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cweiske turns out it's a bad idea to make a screenshot of a page that shows the screenshot of itself..
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cweiske 200 cutycapt instances and counting
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bear ouch
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cweiske as if googling for google breaks it
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Zegnat Ah, man, I just noticed KevinMarks got my Twitter handle wrong in his live tweating, haha
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Zegnat Also, for posterity and the logs (and my logs). The web-action demo was given by Sebastian Lasse (sebastianlasse.de), whos name and URL had totally escaped me yesterday and I made sure to ask afterwards.
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aaronpk omg i think it totally works now and i might actually be happy with the result
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cweiske there was talk about chat interfaces lately .. I've finally written a jabber bot that I can use to bookmark urls http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-09%20execbot%20semanticscuttle.png
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cweiske which means I can bookmark URLs on my home server when I'm at work and don't have vpn
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Zegnat Interesting idea, cweiske. So your bookmarks aren’t publicly accessible through cweiske.de?
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cweiske no. I've got a private SemanticScuttle instance on my server at home
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Zegnat Cool. Though I really can’t imagine doing that myself. One of the reasons I am not doing bookmarks in my browser is because I want to access them anytime I need them
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[kevinmarks] Sorry zegnat, I was relying on your irc for people's names
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[kevinmarks] If it's wrong in the transcript on kevinmarks.com I can fix that
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Zegnat Let me check
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Zegnat It is not a big issue, I do not actually use Twitter. I reinstalled the Twitter client yesterday just to check what people were up to in Dusseldorf
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], yes, you are linking to the wrong guy. You are linking to Martin, I am Martijn: https://twitter.com/martijnvdven
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Zegnat I wonder if @martinvdven got extra followers because of IWC. I know @m_ott had started following him.
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Zegnat Or just link your transcript to http://vanderven.se/martijn/
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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Zegnat Yes, thank you Loqi, that is me.
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Loqi is done
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GWG Afternoon
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sknebel apropos chatbots etc, a friend I talked to today suggested a messenger bot that can post photos as a way to get photos off the phone and on a site
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sknebel might be easier to write for people with mostly server-side programming experience
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cweiske the bot posts photos?
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cweiske or you send photos to the bot?
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sknebel if you want to post a photo you send it to the bot, which then posts it (e.g. with micropub)
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cweiske yep, that's what I imagine, too
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cweiske chat apps are already nicely integrated
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cweiske you can send photos to them easily
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sknebel exactly
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cweiske btw, I'm using errbot.io as base for connection handling (it's written in python), and I wrote an exec plugin that executes a single command and passes message + username as parameters to it
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cweiske so I can write the actual code in PHP :)
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cweiske https://github.com/cweiske/errbot-exec
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miklb voxpelli but is there a best practice for creating that token?
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bear I keep forgetting about errbot
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sknebel errbot looks interesting, I'll have to check it out sometime
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cweiske It has nice documentation and a local-only mode (--text) which is extremely helpful during development
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cweiske so you don't need a server locally
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sknebel (a chat bot project and their promoted communication channel is a google+ community?!)
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cweiske they use gitter.im as main chat room
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cweiske but yes, that paragraph in the docs is werid
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sknebel hm, that should be linked in the docs and/or the readme
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cweiske it is :) "You can also interact directly with the community online from the "Open Chat" ..."
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cweiske easy to miss
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sknebel I looked for the button
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sknebel turns out my ad-blocker killed it
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voxpelli miklb: long time since I did it :P I think I actually logged into Quill and it showed the token as part of the login procedure
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Zegnat Errbot does IRC too? That looks pretty good
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cweiske irc, xmpp, telegram, hipchat, slack
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cweiske http://errbot.io/en/latest/features.html
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miklb voxpelli I see. Just checked, and quill is only showing last few characters of a 317 character string.
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gRegorLove What is Errbot?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Errbot" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10L9
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miklb do they need to match?
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Zegnat sknebel, are you planning to write up the demos page? If you aren't working on it yet you might want to hold off, as I was planning to convert all my IRC notes into the page
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voxpelli miklb: the token is what the Micropub endpoint uses to ensure you are you so yeah :P I wonder if someone else has built an indie auth token flow that jut echoes the token back?
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sknebel Zegnat: ok, go ahead, I didn't start anything on it yet.
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Zegnat Just making sure we will not end up working on the same stuff :) Now I will sleep as I am running on fumes
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi gute nacht!
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miklb voxpelli quick google search didn't turn anything up. aaronpk you have any suggestions on how I might get my indie auth token to use in a different app?
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begriffs Any suggestions for a good self-hosted email newsletter system? Ideally supporting HTML emails and standard opt-out links at the bottom of messages.
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voxpelli miklb: https://tokens.indieauth.com/ suggests using OwnYourGram to debug, tried that one?
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voxpelli miklb: one can probably step through the OAuth dance manually with curl or something as well (maybe this is the page that describes the flow? https://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token)
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voxpelli is now of to sleep after having done the biggest of his two launches today
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miklb voxpelli just checked ownyourgram and didn't see anything I could use. Mind you I'm in uncharted waters
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voxpelli miklb: such a tool should probably be created then :P
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Loqi [indieweb] "@ruxton follow requests generally approved. If necessary we can also screenshot & upload to IndieWeb wiki as well." http://tantek.com/2016/130/t2/follow-requests-approved
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aaronpk miklb: what are you trying to do?
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aaronpk heh, "send photos to a chat bot" sounds an awful lot like the posting via SMS I had in 2004
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aaronpk if I put googley eyes on the Quill logo, you could call it a chat bot too
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bear probably more accurate to say "give the bot a link and let the bot negotiate all of the steps required to get it in place"
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aaronpk you can post text and photos via email and sms with quill
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bear then it's not a very chatty chat bot ;)
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aaronpk I'm posting stuff all the time through Loqi now
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aaronpk he replies with the URL to the post he created
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KevinMarks loqi will post images if you say the right magic phrase in #social
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-05-10-01-49-28.png
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miklb aaronpk voxpelli has a ioS workflow for Editorial to use miicropub to publish, but requires manual token.
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miklb s/miicropub/micropub/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: aaronpk voxpelli has a ioS workflow for Editorial to use micropub to publish, but requires manual token.
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk what micropub server are you using?
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miklb aaronpk one that he wrote. Basically this https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express with some yet to be published code that glues it together with a few other libraries to use with Jekyll
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miklb that I set up on heroku
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aaronpk how does it generate access tokens?
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aaronpk however it generates access tokens, you can just manually generate one
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miklb I mean, I have it working with Quill & OwnYourGram but the plumbing I'm not so sure about
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ben_thatmustbeme cracks knuckles
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bear all quill does, once authenticated is pass a nonce to the backend and says "hey, i'm authed and this is how I can prove it, give me a token"
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ben_thatmustbeme i actually have some time to myself. what to work on.....