#indiewebcamp 2016-05-15

2016-05-15 UTC
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@aaronpk Last chance to order your IndieWebCamp shirt! Orders close tomorrow! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/731662837387427841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731662837387427841)
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Loqi [indieweb] "From Brett, the current lead at Elgg. Sharing without comment. #edtech #opensource #indieweb" https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://werd.io/2016/from-brett-the-current-lead-at-elgg-sharing-without-comment&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjkyMzZiY2Y2MGQ4MDViZmE6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNEefInTzCEkbutS6fniSbf149yXEw
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@kevinmarks RT @aaronpk Last chance to order your IndieWebCamp shirt! Orders close tomorrow! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/731662837387427841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731666491330830336)
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GWG I don't need a t-shirt to tell me how Indieweb I am.
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[kevinmarks] It's for telling other people
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GWG I'
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GWG I'm more a hat guy
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bear miklb++ for prompting me to add to kaku a /access handler to generate an access token upon successful login
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Loqi miklb has 5 karma
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@jkphl RT @aaronpk Last chance to order your IndieWebCamp shirt! Orders close tomorrow! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/731662837387427841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731714969524375552)
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@dustinboston @aaronpk Those @indiewebcamp shirts look great! Will there be a second run? (https://dblogit.com/note/c32f41/) (twitter.com/_/status/731717999976058881)
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miklb bear cool. Glad my inquisitiveness helped
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bear :)
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mblaney taking one expensively shipped t-shirt for the team.
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@rrrrrrrix Got two #indiewebcamp shirts, get on it. https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731729507791446016)
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@kevinmarks RT @rrrrrrrix Got two #indiewebcamp shirts, get on it. https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731730205434204160)
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@veganstraightedge RT @aaronpk Last chance to order your IndieWebCamp shirt! Orders close tomorrow! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/731662837387427841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731738436936179712)
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@codebear If your into #indieweb at all you should check out this cool t-shirt we are offering: https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731740499296591872)
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bear ordered a second shirt to bring it to 15
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@gRegorLove RT @codebear If your into #indieweb at all you should check out this cool t-shirt we are offering: https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731743503709962240)
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@RikMende @flpcrvlh olá, eu só uso o convoy numa web usando Known pro. No meu blog instalei os plug-ins manualmente #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/731747962750128128)
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@gerardchic RT @InramsT Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http://www.inramstechnology.com/analytic/piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/710814100079702016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731758324459421696)
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@MarilynnLongsh2 RT @InramsT Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http://www.inramstechnology.com/analytic/piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/710814100079702016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731758326409633792)
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@aaronpk Might help if i include a link to the shirt! https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731768518925012992)
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@kevinmarks RT @aaronpk Might help if i include a link to the shirt! https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731770037485215745)
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@m_ott The #IndieWebCamp got a timeless new logo & you can order it printed on a shirt. Only 13 more and it goes to print! https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/731794026471542784)
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pfefferle good morning folks
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Zegnat sknebel, miklb, I saw you discussed analytics and piwik. If I recall correctly, piwik has an importer for accesslogs. This means you do not need to run any analytics within your backend or send extras to the visitors browser, just use what your server software is already generating. You also don't need to read server logs yourself that way.
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Zegnat morning pfefferle
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pfefferle I have a question… Was there a discussion about releasing the Webmentions spec through the W3C?
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GWG Did I see Pfefferle?
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pfefferle GWG yes ;)
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pfefferle GWG internet is working… finally ;)
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GWG I didn't see discussion in here about it.
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GWG Pfefferle, I sympathize on that. I've been fighting with a local service provider for years. Although nothing like that
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GWG I am selfishly glad though. The WordPress community for Indiewebcamp who is currently active is too small.
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GWG Pfefferle, what is the question about the specification?
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GWG I've read it so many times lately.
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pfefferle GWG only if it was discussed to specify it through the W3C publicly
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GWG I don't recall seeing that discussion in here before I got the news that it was a specification
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GWG Oh, and Pfefferle... sorry about the 60 commits, I kept having new ideas about making it better.
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GWG Excuse me 54 commits for webmention, 18 for Semantic Linkbacks...72 commits.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Social Networks and Vlogging in 2014" by Kaspars https://kaspars.net/blog/media-publishing/social-networks-vlogging-2014
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Jeena I'm setting up a meetup.com group for IWC Gothenburg and they ask:
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Jeena What are members called? Ex: Knitters, Hikers, Moms, Chihuahua Lovers
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "members called" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LK
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Jeena do we have a name for people like us?
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GWG I don't know. Campers?
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[kevinmarks] That has bad connotations for gamers
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[kevinmarks] Indies?
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GWG The POSSE?
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Jeena hehe
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Jeena Man hosting the Homebrew Website Club every 2nd week is a lot of work
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GWG What is man hosting?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "man hosting" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LL
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@jeena You should join me at this Meetup. Check it out and RSVP! http://www.meetup.com/IndieWebCamp-Goteborg/events/231140216/ (twitter.com/_/status/731866635519299586)
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Jeena it should have been: Man, hosting ...
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GWG Oh.
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GWG I thought it might be one of those compound expressions.
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@droomio Shane Becker/@veganstraightedge, Dark Matter and the (the importance of the) #IndieWeb →http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/05/12/dark-matter-and-the-indieweb https://twitter.com/droomio/status/731881906241994752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/731881906241994752)
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[shaners] Only half a day left to order an indie web camp tshirt. Hurry hurry everybody.
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[shaners] https://teespring.com/indiewebcamp
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Zegnat Ah, thanks for the reminder, shaners. I still need to order my shirt. Though shipping cost is killing. Just need to figure out what size matches my size.
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aaronpk Brewers?
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aaronpk (people who attend homebrew website club)
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GWG I decided to order a shirt, but I'm arranging pickup in Portland.
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GWG I think Brewers is as potentially confusing as Campers
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Zegnat GWG: arranging pickup?
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Zegnat 12/20 IWC demoes written up. Time to finish the last now that I have had dinner.
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pfefferle GWG no problem :)
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pfefferle GWG but takes me some time to get into it
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GWG Zegnat, going to Portland
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GWG pfefferle: I understand.
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GWG pfefferle: Still excited for your opinion
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pfefferle GWG me too ;)
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pfefferle so, I am off for now… have a nice day/evening/afternoon
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vanderven.se martijn created /2016/Düsseldorf/Demos (+14974) "From IRC logs to a monster." (view diff)
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Zegnat Darn, just shy of 15000
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Zegnat sknebel, well, I am ready with the demos write-up now ;) Feel free to add things you feel I missed
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sknebel wow
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sknebel Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 17 karma
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Zegnat I am only confused about one thing. The sentence “Shout-out to Bea […]” on adactio’s demo should be on a new line, it has 2 linebreaks before it in the wikisource, but it shows as continuation of the paragraph…
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Zegnat I am also not 100% sure about what name I should use for Juliane. Julie? Jules? Juli? I see so many different spellings. I went with what was on the attendents list.
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Zegnat Either way this should now cover most - if not all - of what was demoed.
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Zegnat (Hopefully this was what adactio had in mind when he told me he assumed I was taking notes :D )
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sknebel huh, the shout-out... line break really is *odd*
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Zegnat Yeah … I don’t know what is up with that :/
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sknebel for some reason the entire stuff below the blockquote isn't wrapped in <p> tags
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sknebel until the next section begins
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sknebel same in the block above, but there it isn't visible
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Zegnat Oh. I might have to remove those then. Too bad.
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk do blockquote-elements break wikiparsing? See /2016/Düsseldorf/Demos The shout-out from adactio to bea should be on a new line, but it is not.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I wonder if I can learn Steno within a few weeks and take actual live notes during the next IWC I attend.
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Demos (+3) "fix very strange blockquote display bug" (view diff)
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sknebel fixed it :)
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sknebel 3 byte change...
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2016/Düsseldorf/Demos (+125) "/* Sven Knebel */ detail" (view diff)
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sknebel Zegnat: the trick is to add a newline before the </blockquote>
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Zegnat huh
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sknebel I think the parser got confused because there was a list item on the same line
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Zegnat how did you even figure that out?!
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sknebel third sense for stupid bugs :P
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sknebel it worked once I removed the list item
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sknebel wiki-syntax lists in blockquotes aparently aren't used very often
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Zegnat I figured, but it looked nice :p
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sknebel yeah, adding the newline let's us keep it
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk Apparently sknebel figured out the blockquote problem by using magic https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?diff=27713&oldid=27712&rcid=27673
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel (maybe a template for quotes would be nice, that displays the name and puts it in the cite="" value etc)
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Zegnat I should also write something for the db vs flatfile session I think. That page is still empty, right?
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Loqi yea
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Zegnat I agree, but I could not be bothered to set that up right now... This was a lot more work than it looks like, haha
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sknebel tantek copied your notes from irc for db vs flatfile
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sknebel performance and i18n are the two sessions that miss things in the wiki
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sknebel (+ aarons intro sessions, but they don't shouldn't have had content that isn't covered exhaustively already)
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Zegnat I wasn’t at performance, and i18n was just on IRC. But I might sit down and take care of i18n then!
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@webrocker Just a small test for my blog-to-twitter indieweb implementation. (twitter.com/_/status/731932521370279937)
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Zegnat ordered his IWC tee
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Zegnat That shipping is killing
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GWG Peter Wilson just got commit privileges for WordPress
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GWG He's fairly Indieweb friendly.
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Jeena Zegnat yeah, we should make our own here in europe instead but I also alreade ordered two
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Jeena soo also https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/731758357359562753
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@jkphl @webrocker Maybe better alternative: @aaronpk sends us the vector data and we'll start our own / local edition?! +@iwontsignuphere (twitter.com/_/status/731758357359562753)
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Zegnat Jeena sounds good
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Zegnat The fact that shipping is almost as expensive as the shirt itself is just horrible
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Jeena What I still wonder is that we still don't have an infrastructure which would replace the simplest thing, twitter
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Jeena I agree
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Jeena let's make the shirts more expensive then ^^
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@jkphl Woohoo! \o/ @iwontsignuphere But: Any reason why you're "Julie *Aanne* Noying" in the source code? ;) #indieweb https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/731940708337209344 (twitter.com/_/status/731963813847834626)
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Loqi [indieweb] "django-indieweb 0.0.1" http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.1
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Loqi [indieweb] "django-indieweb added to PyPI" http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb
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gRegorLove We need a Webmention T-shirt extension, to more easily deliver shirts globally
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GWG gRegorLove: We just need the design to be webmentioned to a European t-shirt manufacturer.
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@PythonJo PyPI latest- django-indieweb added to PyPI https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb #jo #amman #JPY (twitter.com/_/status/731966916047163392)
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[kevinmarks] Jeena did you mean twitter is the simplest thing?
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Jeena yes
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@rssnest https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb django-indieweb added to PyPI (twitter.com/_/status/731968016821391364)
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: i don't know, my notes plus webmention seems to work to replace twitter
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KartikPrabhu s/twitter/my use of twitter
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: Jeena: i don't know, my notes plus webmention seems to work to replace my use of twitter
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@GeofryDryer django-indieweb added to PyPI: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/731969965109223424)
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Loqi [indieweb] "django-indieweb 0.0.2" http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.2
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aaronpk new stickers came!
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 38 minutes ago: do blockquote-elements break wikiparsing? See /2016/Düsseldorf/Demos The shout-out from adactio to bea should be on a new line, but it is not. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-15/line/1463337798514
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 27 minutes ago: Apparently sknebel figured out the blockquote problem by using magic https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?diff=27713&oldid=27712&rcid=27673 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-15/line/1463338448412
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GWG aaronpk: Got a picture?
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aaronpk i should do that
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Loqi yea
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gRegorLove What's the appropriate markup for citing a book + author when posting a quote? I'm reading different things, like <cite> must be a valid URL
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gRegorLove I'm thinking, override the italic style of <cite> and use: <cite class="h-cite"><span class="p-author">Author Name</span> in <em class="p-name">Title</em> </cite>
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gRegorLove Or do I even need <cite> in that case? Could just use a div.
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miklb <cite> must be to a title of work, name of author OR a reference URL
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Zegnat gRegorLove: all depends on who’s definition of cite you hold yourself to. I think W3 spec says it can only be used for written works (no people, etc), and there also isn't a real way to hook it to a blockquote. Though I found http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/ a very good write-up of the mark-up (with companion examples: http://oli.jp/example/blockquote-metadata/)
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gRegorLove Just found http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite#Offline_Citations
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Loqi h-cite
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Zegnat Have a good one all
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gRegorLove Thanks Zegnat, I'll take a look
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gRegorLove Oops, I mistook "cite attribute" (on blockquote) with "cite element". Spec makes more sense now.
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@AdrijusG RT @Inkwater_Masha 5 Different Ways to Brand Book Covers for Series http://www.rockingbookcovers.com/book-cover-design/different-ways-to-brand-book-covers-for-series/?platform=hootsuite #coverdesign #selfpub #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/731986054119620610)
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Loqi [indieweb] "So many PHP and CSS changes it&#8217;s time to see what I broke #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/13802-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "So many PHP and CSS changes it&#8217;s time to see what I broke #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/13804-2/
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@TechLifeWeb So many PHP and CSS changes it’s time to see what I broke #indieweb May 15, 2016 by Scott Kingery Posted in… http://techlifeweb.com/?p=13804 (twitter.com/_/status/731994886933635072)
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@SDITSystems RT @TechLifeWeb So many PHP and CSS changes it’s time to see what I broke #indieweb May 15, 2016 by Scott Kingery Posted in… http://techlifeweb.com/?p=13804 (twitter.com/_/status/731995011642953730)
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@feeman RT @TechLifeWeb So many PHP and CSS changes it’s time to see what I broke #indieweb May 15, 2016 by Scott Kingery Posted in… http://techlifeweb.com/?p=13804 (twitter.com/_/status/731996704690610176)