#indiewebcamp 2016-05-16

2016-05-16 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on by San Diego IT Systems" by San Diego IT Systems http://techlifeweb.com/13804-2/#comment-119387
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KartikPrabhu salmention ^ ?
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techlifeweb Doing some site hacking on my Wordpress site ... Bridgy doesn't seem to be ignoring like (I think) it should. I'm putting the ignore classes in the publish link <a class="u-bridgy-omit-link u-bridgy-ignore-formatting" href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter">
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KartikPrabhu techlifeweb: I am confused. that seems to have come from your site
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aaronpk i'm guessing the comments rss feed
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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GWG The Comments RSS field doesn't recognize anything but traditional comments.
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bear cool - checked to see if I need to order more shirts and see that it has reached the goal
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techlifeweb KartikPrabhu: Yes that was a comment on my site. I wasn't referring to that... this tweet https://twitter.com/TechLifeWeb/status/731994886933635072 contains a link back to my site. I didn't intend it to by putting in <a class="u-bridgy-omit-link u-bridgy-ignore-formatting" href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"> and it either didn't work or I did that wrong.
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@TechLifeWeb So many PHP and CSS changes it’s time to see what I broke #indieweb May 15, 2016 by Scott Kingery Posted in… http://techlifeweb.com/13804-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/731994886933635072)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Kris Martin" by Kris Martin http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30546
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techlifeweb Hmmm I think it might have to do with my <article> tag... investigating
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GWG I need some webmention test data
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GWG Will steal aaronpk's.
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bear webmention.rocks has a lot of data
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GWG Yes, it is going to be one of the tests.
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GWG I told snarfed I'd learn unit testing sometime.
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bear :)
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kylewm techlifeweb: I think it's that there is an outer h-entry that wraps the h-entry with the Bridgy properties
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kylewm Common WordPress issue iirc
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@mjathols RT https://twitter.com/OnMyKindle1/status/731515549960830977 Thanks for the mention! Tammysdragonfly: #BookReviews OnMyKindle1 #OMKindle #BookBlogger #BookNerd #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/732021775282933760)
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GWG !tell snarfed I wrote a unit test
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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techlifeweb kylewm: thanks. I think my h-entry isn't validating correctly per indiewebify.me. I'll check into my code.
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kylewm oh hey the t-shirts are printing!
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kylewm wonders if someone had to suck it up and buy the last few to push it over
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kylewm techlifeweb: if you can remove the class=hentry on the div that's right inside the article, I think that will fix it
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Ruxton :/ having ownyourgram dramas, never sends anything after the test, further tests work but never happens automagically :(
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GWG snarfed: Did you get my message?
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GWG Did anyone see this? http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2016/05/announcing-syntaxnet-worlds-most.html
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tantek I'm a little lost. Where on indiewebcamp.com (homepage) or https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/731662837387427841 does it say WHERE to order said t-shirt?
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@aaronpk Last chance to order your IndieWebCamp shirt! Orders close tomorrow! [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/731662837387427841)
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tantek link?
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tantek oh campaign has ended, I thought we had until today
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tantek oh well, hoping someone ordered some extras
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GWG tantek: It is tomorrow now
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tantek GWG, usually when people say something "closes" on that day, it's inclusive, as in you can order that day
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GWG Teespring is Eastern time though.
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GWG They should say that.
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tantek yeah that's lame
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tantek if something is going to end at midnight, for US folks, it should end at midnight Pacific Time, because that meets PT expectations and just gives a litle slop for East Coast folks
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GWG This is my first Teespring experience to be honest.
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babyt as
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tantek what is as?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "as" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LM
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Loqi [indieweb] "More testing to see if I fixed my hentry problems. #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/13810-2/
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@TechLifeWeb More testing to see if I fixed my hentry problems. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732078378199617540)
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techlifeweb kylewm: Looks like the extra hentry was the issue. Thanks again.
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Ruxton !tell snarfed any reason wordpress-micropub on github is a version above what's happening on wordpress.org? looks like github has some new stuff from dshanske
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Ruxton, he won't let me commit any more till I write unit tests
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GWG I am working on learning unit testing.
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kylewm Ruxton: Instagram doesn't give ownyourgram streaming updates for all its users anymore. We don't know why :(
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Ruxton that seems odd, given it has exactly 0 tests rights now :?
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Ruxton kylewm: cheers :(
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GWG Ruxton, that was the point.
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GWG Tonight I experimented with unit tests for webmentions. I intend to return to Micropub at some point and write some.
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kylewm ref: https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/issues/16
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Ruxton im all for test coverage, but most of the stuff I'm talking about has been in master for 10 months and isn't on wordpress.org :/
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GWG Ruxton, at the moment, I am the only WordPress developer in the community actively committing to WordPress.org
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GWG And even I have taken on more than I can realistically handle
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GWG Ruxton, either way, will see what I can do
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Ruxton ok, anything I can do to help? Testing in PHP is a dogpile, but I'm well versed in PHP and WordPress plugins.
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GWG Ruxton, what do you want to do? We are pretty wide open with opportunity
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GWG What area interests you the most?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "interests you the most" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LN
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Ruxton I want to see those things sitting in master in micropub github get on wordpress.org ;) I was about to write some basic support for syndication till I realised it was sitting in master.
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GWG The repository needs an update now that Micropub has a better defined standard.
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GWG Lots went in since I last worked on it.
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GWG Same as webmentions, which is my current project.
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kylewm Is snarfed the only person who can update the wordpress package?
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GWG kylewm, correct
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GWG But I wouldn't right now.
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GWG I would update for the new changes if I could first.
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GWG At least some of them.
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kylewm That's mostly all edit/delete stuff
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GWG Not only that.
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Ruxton where it is now in master is better than where it is currently on wordpress.org
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GWG There was some good clarification
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Ruxton regardless of what the future holds
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Ruxton that's the only reason I don't get why it's not on WP.org
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GWG Ruxton, not sure, will ask next time I see snarfed.
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Ruxton cheers, I'm sure snarfed will see my msg too :P
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GWG Ruxton, there's more coming.
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GWG I learned a lot from my work with Webmentions
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Ruxton I've built quite a few WP plugins and I've been in and out of PHP for 20 years, so if you need a hand feel free to hit me up
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GWG And snarfed based his structure on Webmentions
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GWG Ruxton, if you want to help with anything I have privileges for, I maintain a few useful plugins
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GWG My biggest one at the moment is Post Kinds
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GWG But everything is in need of improvements
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GWG I jump around a lot
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Ruxton ah yeah, I was wondering how postKinds could leverage WP Post Formats, cos right now they don't seem tied together
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GWG Ruxton, they are more a replacement for Post Formats.
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Ruxton yeah which creates issues in WP when themes support formats
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GWG I did have an idea to set Post Formats when I could.
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GWG But I tried to make it easy to work with
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Ruxton My thought was it should just extend the formats, add the ones it needs and link the like ones. No point re-inventing something that exists in WP, when all you really want is to tie it to a new name
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Ruxton anyway, I should get back to work before someone gets annoyed :P
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GWG Ruxton, you can't add Post Formats.
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GWG I should head to bed.
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Ruxton beacuse "3629 examples, 36 failures" :(
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Loqi yea!
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GWG Good night. Will continue this, I hope.
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Loqi laila tov!
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miklb Ruxton by the way, I sorted out the problems with all of the blank lines in my source :-)
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Ruxton cheers
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rrix !tell snarfed I might've found a bug in bridgy https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1463385985&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyXwsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiOGh0dHA6Ly9ub3Rlcy53aGF0dGhlZnVjay5jb21wdXRlci8xNDYzMzgyMzAwLjAtbm90ZS5odG1sDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgIDyiAoM
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rrix thanks boo
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rrix !tell snarfed the URL in the 404 lost a space, before the "(1)"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rrix I added h-review to my site generator http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1463382300.0-note.html
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rrix I think I need to re-think how I handle post-types, there are a lot of common elements which I am not abstracting out properly...
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@webrocker And another test of the POSSE/indieweb/bridgy thing. Sry for the bother. (twitter.com/_/status/732149099063955456)
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kylewm.com edited /h-review (+180) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add me as an example with explicit h-review markup" (view diff)
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aaronpk well that was good timing. I was putting off dealing with installing the upgraded letsencrypt client and finishing automating all the things, and when I went to go do it last night, they had just released a totally new client for it https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/05/announcing-certbot-new-tls-robot
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aaronpk guess it's time for me to write a new followup post to my earlier letsencrypt post
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GWG I just renewed with the older script this morning.
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@ignacio_conejo Trackbacks, pingbacks y webmentions http://wprincipiante.es/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ vía @wprincipiante https://twitter.com/ignacio_conejo/status/732239952604434432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732239952604434432)
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aaronpk i set mine up on a cron job so it should just be all automatic now
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GWG I wanted to do a manual renewal so I'd be set before updating the client and automating it
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aaronpk yeah, i was doing it manually until yesterday
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GWG I have two servers. Likely I'll deploy the new client and automate it on the test server, then copy the configuration to the live one
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bear oh cool, new letsencrypt client...
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aaronpk bets on how long until Google's new "Spaces" shuts down? http://get.google.com/spaces/
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Loqi I don't know
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bear doesn't want to take that bet
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Zegnat Google Spaces does sound like what I would have wanted from Google Plus and its “circles”
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@ceslava Trackbacks, pingbacks y webmentions http://wprincipiante.es/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ vía @wprincipiante (twitter.com/_/status/732248649992941568)
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colintedford aaronpk: I bet Google Spaces will live forever, let's move this channel there ;P
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek let's see what venues are confirmed for this week's HWC
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tantek what is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2016-05-18 at J.A. Pripps Pub & Café https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc
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tantek what about multiple locations Loqi?
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tantek !tell aaronpk what is the Portland venue for Homebrew Website Club this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks morning
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tantek !tell jgarber is there a DC venue for Homebrew Website Club this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where (assuming you haven't found another venue unless you speak-up soon!)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell adactio is HWC Brighton happening this week? (assuming it is) https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: what is the Portland venue for Homebrew Website Club this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463419154268
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Loqi [indieweb] "WeeklyUpdates/2016-05-16" by Tantek https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=WeeklyUpdates/2016-05-16&diff=1132851&oldid=1132840
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tantek wow that's ridiculously fast. like seconds. must be PuSH updated right? can't be polling that often.
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aaronpk right, through superfeedr
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tantek but that requires the Mozilla Wiki to be doing PuSH, OR Superfeedr to be polling its RecentChanges feed file
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tantek (like really often like every second)
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tantek (which I really doubt)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (-52) "/* Where */ add PDX" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (+57) "/* Portland */" (view diff)
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tantek no sign of any hub rel discovery on wikimo home page, recentchanges, or recentchanges atom feed
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tantek so superfeedr is pulling it like 1/s?
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KevinMarks or you got lucky?
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aaronpk or their polling interval coincided with your edit?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" http://calagator.org/events/1250470275
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tantek possible
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aaronpk that was pretty fast too
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tantek yeah
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aaronpk 2 minutes
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tantek mine was seconds which was possibly coincdental
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tantek s/coincdental/coincidental
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Loqi tantek meant to say: mine was seconds which was possibly coincidental
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Jeena I'd love to add checkins to my website but I have no idea what I want to save with it and especially how the ui would look like
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Jeena I already read http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin but didn't really get inspired
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KevinMarks if the moz wiki updates a lot, superfeedr may have upped its poll interval
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* San Francisco */ RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek the moz wiki updates A LOT
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aaronpk Jeena: we should chat, i'm on the verge of adding checkins but also have some lingering questions
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tantek https://wiki.mozilla.org/Special:RecentChanges
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Jeena I'm almost at home, in 15 minutes
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tantek HWC was announced in the weekly Mozilla project meeting!
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PFMurph :D
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snarfed morning all!
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Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 16 hours, 27 minutes ago: I wrote a unit test http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-15/line/1463364844104
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Loqi snarfed: Ruxton left you a message 12 hours, 49 minutes ago: any reason wordpress-micropub on github is a version above what's happening on wordpress.org? looks like github has some new stuff from dshanske http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-15/line/1463377888893
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Loqi snarfed: rrix left you a message 10 hours, 33 minutes ago: I might've found a bug in bridgy https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1463385985&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyXwsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiOGh0dHA6Ly9ub3Rlcy53aGF0dGhlZnVjay5jb21wdXRlci8xNDYzMzgyMzAwLjAtbm90ZS5odG1sDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgIDyiAoM http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463386081469
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Loqi snarfed: rrix left you a message 10 hours, 32 minutes ago: the URL in the 404 lost a space, before the "(1)" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463386122653
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snarfed whee
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snarfed handled
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rrix morning :)
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snarfed mf2py parser question: should returned url properties be url-escaped?
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snarfed eg mf2py returns rrix's photo URLs with spaces in them here: http://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1463382300.0-note.html
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KevinMarks he didn't escape them in the source
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@webrocker @jkphl i've yet to find a way to get brid.gy to skip the self mention…maybe 1 step up the indieweb ladder is to talk directly to twitter api (twitter.com/_/status/732281158868828160)
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snarfed KevinMarks: ok. so...?
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tantek snarfed, have you tried looking for a URL validator? ;)
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KevinMarks browser do display the images linked with spaces in
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snarfed tantek: oh god. definitely not. i accept that i'll need to escape/validate them; i was just curious about parser expectations
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tantek browsers tend to be very liberal about accepting URLs and doing "smart" things with them
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snarfed KevinMarks: i think that's just UI sugar. i expect their actual HTTP requests are escaped
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snarfed right
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rrix (so is it user error on my side?)
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snarfed eh, unclear
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snarfed i'll fix bridgy so it url-encodes the path
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KevinMarks careful you don't double encode %
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snarfed yeah, it is nontrivial, even for just path
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snarfed :(
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snarfed rrix: short term you're probably best off encoding those urls in your markup
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KevinMarks I think https://url.spec.whatwg.org/ allows spaces within urls, but RFC3986 doesn't
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rrix snarfed: thats fine, ill make sure of it in the future. I self-POSSEd that post last night, so it bother me right now
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miklb If Twitter does drop counting links towards 140 character limit, that's good news for bridgy users
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tantek and for perma(short)citations!
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tantek miklb: where is that noted/rumored?
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miklb tantek a bloomberg article making the rounds on Twitter. I'll find the link
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miklb http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-16/twitter-to-stop-counting-photos-and-links-in-140-character-limit
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tantek guess I'll have to update a bunch of CASSIS code for that then!
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tantek and rethink tons of /Twitter#POSSE!
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aaronpk was just looking at fixing a bug in quill where adding a photo does not count against the twitter character limit
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aaronpk maybe now i won't have to
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tantek was happy that Bridgy Publish photos to twitter took care of that
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aaronpk well just the UI counter i mean
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aaronpk which is actually using that cassis function
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miklb !tell voxpelli if you give me a basic idea on what I need to a syndication links, I think I can flesh out the rest
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove No link limit? Well that won't be spammed at all.
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miklb s/to a/to add/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: !tell voxpelli if you give me a basic idea on what I need to add syndication links, I think I can flesh out the rest
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miklb gRegorLove all the easier to flesh out the spammers :)
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ben_thatmustbeme acegiak: kylewm or someone else with salmention support. Could you comment on this. https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/5/16/2/ And then someone comment on their comment
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] I still can't believe there is no facepalm emoji
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ben_thatmustbeme i want to try try muli-level comments and such
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ben_thatmustbeme but more importantly make sure salmentions are working fully
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tantek what happens when you send reacji via salmention? salmojis?
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tantek sees if snarfed is paying attention
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snarfed yup, just got back from lunch
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snarfed studiously ignores the *jis
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ben_thatmustbeme should reply with a fish reacji that gets salmentioned :P
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ben_thatmustbeme is there a "salmon" emoji
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ben_thatmustbeme ?
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit" http://2016.indieweb.org/
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aaronpk whoa
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit" by aaronpk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11708951
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tantek what the
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gRegorLove snarfed: You going to be at the Indieweb Summit?
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snarfed gRegorLove: sadly no. you?
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tantek superfeedr is pulling from HN newwest?
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gRegorLove Ah, darn.
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tantek s/newwest/newest
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gRegorLove Yep, I'll be there
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tantek maybe?
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Loqi tantek meant to say: s/newest/newest
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aaronpk wow
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tantek what is salmon?
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Loqi Salmon is a 2010-era feed-based protocol part of the OStatus stack for sending comment notifications and has been superseded by the use of webmention, h-entry, and in-reply-to building blocks https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmon
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gRegorLove Does Superfeedr have a way to check if a URL is being polled?
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@krunox123 IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732293592400662528)
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aaronpk oh now the HN bots are going to pick it up
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tantek Loqi, 🐟 or 🎣?
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Loqi 🐟
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aaronpk wat, since when did Loqi learn how to emoji?
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Loqi :)
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tantek thus speaketh Loqithustra
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@SecurityJar IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ https://twitter.com/SecurityJar/status/732293845984018432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732293845984018432)
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tantek :D
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KartikPrabhu Loqi, A or B?
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Loqi i think A
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@Un1v3rs0Z3r0 IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732293895632080897)
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@_hnyc IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732293914259013632)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: Loqi has begun to learn on its own
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Loqi woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme gives Loqi the 3 laws of robotis
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Loqi laughs at the 3 laws of robotis
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@HaxNewsFeed IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294189761748993)
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gRegorLove Hahah
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@vojinurosevic IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294209000984577)
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@RaivooNET Hacker: IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294220610838528)
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@nadjib_haeckal IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294228500316160)
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ben_thatmustbeme gives Loqi the 3 laws of robotics
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@willhackett IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294249488785413)
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ben_thatmustbeme because its better when you spell them correctly
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Loqi throws the 3 laws of robotics
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aaronpk uhoh
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@uv1997born #HackerNews IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294299828637696)
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@afroboi IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294307458113536)
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@Yelow79 #hackernews IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294313829236737)
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@ThisIsMyStream Hacker News - IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294321752301569)
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@afroboi IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://linkis.com/2016.indieweb.org/IYePb (twitter.com/_/status/732294322083758080)
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@scribbler992000 @scribbler992000 IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294329834725376)
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@mit01dev IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294336717590528)
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@MarvinTheRobot IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294349015252992)
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@VoyagerTeseract IndieWeb Summit: Comments http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294352702083072)
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@winsontang IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294353801072640)
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@inputjoker IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294363099762688)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: now you've done it.
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@linnflux IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ #webdesign (twitter.com/_/status/732294378992115716)
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aaronpk wow how much of twitter is just bots tweeting from RSS feeds
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't do that!
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@BornCor IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732294450823757824)
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tantek oh yeah, you give Loqi the three laws of robotics, he throws them, and then we get this storm. Coincidence? I think not.
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ben_thatmustbeme blame loqi
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gRegorLove Sheesh. That many twitter accounts just tweet new HN threads?
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@CurtisUrijah #IndieWeb Summit #Hacker #News #Headline http://www.abizy.com/p/view.html (twitter.com/_/status/732294556205613056)
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@HNTweets IndieWeb Summit: http://2016.indieweb.org/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11708951 (twitter.com/_/status/732294558772400128)
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@hacker_news_hir IndieWeb Summit : http://2016.indieweb.org/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11708951 (twitter.com/_/status/732294559623843840)
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sknebel there are even many that tweet random HN comments
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@WebStartupGroup IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ #news (twitter.com/_/status/732294601848070144)
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sknebel or reddit comments
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@StartupMarketUS IndieWeb Summit http://puls.ly/vqXLlw #tech https://twitter.com/StartupMarketUS/status/732294715698257920/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732294715698257920)
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tantek lots of tweets, no comments yet
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gRegorLove Imagine if HN had webmentions and tracked how many twitter mentions things got
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@OneMonthCSS IndieWeb Summit http://puls.ly/d3Sntw #YC https://twitter.com/OneMonthCSS/status/732295161804402689/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732295161804402689)
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@FirelabsWeb IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295169899270144)
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@MatthewJRoche IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295626508107777)
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@erod2009 IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295672146300928)
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@tm_interesting IT news: IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295813070770177)
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@Peta_Eaton IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295813293064192)
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@davidcamachoj IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732295971065987072)
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@NitLtd IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ https://twitter.com/NitLtd/status/732296289812107264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732296289812107264)
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732296438500184064)
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@gtcfeederteam IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732296572059451393)
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@TheRetweetplace IndieWeb Summit: http://2016.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/732297183194697730)
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aaronpk "theretweetplace" lol
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hs0ucy Hi, everybody,
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hs0ucy Is there a way to POSSE to Diaspora* ?
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Zegnat I don’t think anyone has built a system that POSSEs to Diaspora. And last I looked, Diaspora does not offer a full API.
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Zegnat What is Diaspora?
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Loqi Diaspora (or D*) is an open source project for hosting a social network on your own server that federates with other Diaspora instances, which are called "pods" https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora
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Zegnat Hmm, hs0ucy, POSSE support is only a single line of text :( https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora#POSSE_support
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@TrendsOn_TOP IndieWeb Summit - http://trendson.top/indieweb-summit/ (twitter.com/_/status/732299898100535296)
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snarfed hs0ucy Zegnat: more diaspora details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/198
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KevinMarks 🎏 seems salmentiony, as it's 2 fish on a flagpole
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Zegnat KevinMarks, but those are carps ;)
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KevinMarks so are lots of web comments
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aaronpk lol
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gRegorLove http://www.hiyoooo.com
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KevinMarks lol at fish, tropical fish and blowfish emoji
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KevinMarks also http://emojipedia.org/fishing-pole-and-fish/
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hs0ucy Zegnat, snarfed Thanks
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Zegnat snarfed: Diaspora does not get out in a positive light from that issue. Might add that to /Diaspora … But first: sleep!
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Zegnat Have a good morning/day/night all
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KevinMarks (amused by how many different fish we get there)
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@jevdemon Maybe: IndieWeb is one of the most exciting efforts on the web, Hoping to attend this. : http://www.evdemon.org/2016/maybe-indieweb-is-one-of-the-most-exciting-efforts-on (twitter.com/_/status/732306934615838720)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: what parts of salmention does your site handle exactly?
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aaronpk sending
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aaronpk i think i lost receiving salmentions in the rebuild
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ben_thatmustbeme what do you meant by "receiving salmentions" just updating?
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aaronpk re-reads /salmention
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ben_thatmustbeme does the same
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/salmention#Receiving_Salmentions most of that I don't do
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ben_thatmustbeme in any case, could you comment on something of mine, that someone else can comment on. I want to confirm that I can parse comments on comments
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aaronpk done
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek basically, if we can demonstrate and record that simple salmentions are already supported interoperably across several implementations, then they get incorporated inline into the Webmention spec (upgrade from the already incorporated by reference) rather than by normative reference. otherwise we make it an informative reference as a Webmention extension, similar to Vouch
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GWG tantek, what makes a salmention simple @
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tantek GWG, you'd have to ask someone who has implemented them :)
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GWG tantek, you used the term
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GWG I have a proposal to send a webmention every time a comment or webmention is added to a post.
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GWG That would notify any links of an update.
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aaronpk GWG: a proposal to wordpress I assume?
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GWG Proposed commit to Pfefferle.
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk i was thinking, if there's a concern about potentially getting stuck sending out too many webmentions, (like if you get a bunch of comments/webmentions received all just seconds apart) then you could add in a sort of rate limit/batch mode, where you only send outgoing mentions every N seconds, as a way to help throttle that
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GWG I have a second that identifies comments on a webmention source and tries to treat them as webmentions.
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tantek GWG, voxpelli and I debated that during IWC Düsseldorf, and thanks to aaronpk helping explain the geometric explosion that would occur, I changed my mind and decided it was better to avoid that.
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aaronpk no, we talked about not sending webmentions *to* the comment URLs, but we still want to send to the URLs that the post originally sent to
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GWG So, how do you handle it now in theory?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Webmentions_to_responses_inefficiency
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tantek aaronpk, could be interesting to see how FB handles that, e.g. on a post that is getting lots of comments, how often does it "update" the "notfiications" globe icon
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GWG aaronpk, that is what I implemented. It treats a webmention as a page update
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tantek (re: throttle that)
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GWG So, couldn't that go in the Webmention specification?
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KevinMarks hm, did that not woek?
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GWG That if you display a webmention on a post, that constitutes an update?
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aaronpk yeah that's the current thought, as long as at least a few people are doing that right now
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/yes-the-facepalm-emoji-shows-up-in-android-n-2016
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Yes, the facepalm emoji shows up in android N
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tantek aaronpk: how do we test that? "at least a few people are doing that right now" ?
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KevinMarks didn't shwo on aaron's post
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aaronpk KevinMarks: might take a minute. sometimes webmention.io is slow
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aaronpk tantek: if someone supports the receiving side of salmentions, then we could see it happening there
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aaronpk otherwise i think it has to be checked manually
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tantek right. kylew ? ben_thatmustbeme ?
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tantek s/kylew/kylewm
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Loqi tantek meant to say: right. kylewm ? ben_thatmustbeme ?
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GWG Acegiak sent a PR for Post Kinds that did it, but I decided it was better to do it upstream, but right now anyone who has the stable version of Post Kinds on WordPress is sending
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GWG So that includes me, acegiak, Chris Aldrich, etc.
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aaronpk i think the clustering code i wrote for webmention.io is broken. debating ripping it all out and starting over.
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tantek GWG, interesting, can you try sending and document the results?
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KevinMarks ben's code supports emoji that don't exist yet, yay
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GWG tantek, sending what?
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tantek GWG, you said sending
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KevinMarks hm, kyle shows the thread backwards https://kylewm.com/2016/05/i-d-like-to-add-support-for-http-www-emoji-cheat
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] I’d like to add support for http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/ to my publishing tools. Wondering what the progressive enhancement-y way is to do that....
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GWG It sends webmentions for a page on a comment being added.
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KevinMarks but replying to aaron to get back to the others didn't work
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tantek ... and this is why we test test test
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GWG I am thinking of taking a break from webmentions. Maybe I will flood snarfed with commits for a bit.
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GWG I am overdue
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GWG Not flooding, but l have been trying to get unit tests for a bit.
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ben_thatmustbeme can someone comment on https://aaronparecki.com/2016/05/16/11/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] There's always :facepalm:
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GWG And the Webmention ones I am wrote based on webmention.rocks helped me find a bug
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ben_thatmustbeme or on KevinMarks post, but i think he only salmentions manually
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ben_thatmustbeme am I correct in that KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks I did, but it din't work
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KevinMarks let me try a simple comment
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aaronpk i hope my webmention receiving isn't broken
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GWG Well, back to work for me
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aaronpk hm, i need a new /mentions page
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aaronpk I am glad I rebuilt my site, but I did lose a few fun pieces of functionality in the process
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KevinMarks hm, I'm not subscribed toaaron's notes apparently
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aaronpk well webmention.io doesn't think there's anything there yet either https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=https://aaronparecki.com/2016/05/16/11/
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KevinMarks no notes since thursday here? https://aaronparecki.com/notes
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aaronpk guess not
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aaronpk was offline most of the weekend
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KevinMarks ah, replies aren't notes
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KevinMarks I see
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aaronpk and replies don't go on my home page either
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KevinMarks so, the plaintext note worked
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aaronpk oh boy
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KevinMarks and it went up to ben
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KevinMarks https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/5/16/2/
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] I still can't believe there is no facepalm emoji
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KevinMarks but not back up to kyle
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KevinMarks https://kylewm.com/2016/05/i-d-like-to-add-support-for-http-www-emoji-cheat
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] I’d like to add support for http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/ to my publishing tools. Wondering what the progressive enhancement-y way is to do that....
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KevinMarks so a nesting depth thing?
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aaronpk so either ben didn't send an update, or kyle didn't display it
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KevinMarks so I got a 201 for the photo post: http://mention-tech.appspot.com/listmentions?target=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com
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ben_thatmustbeme woohoo
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ben_thatmustbeme confirmed it works at least https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/5/16/2/
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] I still can't believe there is no facepalm emoji
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aaronpk weird, why is cloudfront delivering your profile image with the application/octet-stream content type instead of jpeg?
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aaronpk for http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/9255656669173b7867ab839ee6556f9e
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aaronpk oh hey there it is
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@m_ott @aaronpk Hi Aaron, I commented on your logo ideas for #webmention. I just had this idea (MIT), made a rough sketch: https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/732320442120347648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732320442120347648)
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KevinMarks though the photo is not shown
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aaronpk yeah i think i'm removing img tags in comments right now, will have to fix that
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KevinMarks and it made it up to ben's post too, though again no photo
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KevinMarks wonder why that one took longer to come through
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KevinMarks also, some timezone glitches
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aaronpk not on mine i hope
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KevinMarks https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/5/16/2/ has the 1st level comments in ben's timezone time, but the 2nd level in my timezone
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] I still can't believe there is no facepalm emoji
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aaronpk kevin's url has +0000 as the timezone offset
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KevinMarks oh, is that why ben's comment is after ours on https://kylewm.com/2016/05/i-d-like-to-add-support-for-http-www-emoji-cheat too?
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Loqi [Kyle Mahan] I’d like to add support for http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/ to my publishing tools. Wondering what the progressive enhancement-y way is to do that....
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KevinMarks timezones--
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Loqi timezones has -10 karma
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aaronpk aw
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tantek wonders if he can hack something up using that webmention.io query
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tantek aaronpk is there a count param or start / pagination param for webmention.io?
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tantek what is webmention.io?
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Loqi webmention.io is an open-source project and hosted service for receiving webmentions and pingbacks on behalf of your indieweb site https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention.io
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aaronpk yes, docs are here https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io#api
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aaronpk well that's strange, wonder why only one of kevin's comments is showing up on that webmention.io URL
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aaronpk begins to to doubt anything is working anymore
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KevinMarks I messed the link up initially
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KevinMarks so had to update the photo post
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KevinMarks so maybe webmention.io was throtlling me?
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[kevinmarks] Interesting - plaintext format for Screenplays http://fountain.io/syntax
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tantek I like the way Swarm/Foursquare gamifies checkins and photos of places. I wonder if it could further gamify local distributed information gathering about places, e.g. if you upload a photo of their menu (would need verifying?), you get more points
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[kevinmarks] Such a strange mashup: https://twitter.com/chromakode/status/731942777131425792?s=09
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@chromakode So, for the @stupidhackathon I made an app that orders delivery to a random location, and ubers you there... (twitter.com/_/status/731942777131425792)
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tantek tries to figure out the indieweb connection
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tantek gives up but is now hungry.
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aaronpk mmm dolmas
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tantek (and he threw some away!!!)
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